How to beat Copyscape in a legit way

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Rewriting projects/jobs pay my bills. This simple fact makes Copyscape be my best friend. We hang out a lot. This isn't a costly tool to use. I think it's 5 cents per check, something like that. It's also reliable. But, it's also annoying. Honestly, I just wanna get over with it. I enjoy much more working on real creative writing tasks. But, I guess, you gotta do what you gotta do.

I think I've noticed a specific pattern. If you're using Copyscape, you can try it yourself. So, the story goes. Copyscape treats only three identical words in a row from the original text as plagiarism. If you can fix this "train" with its three wagons, then Copyscape will let you go.

So, what's the best way to do it? Even the slightest change of the word order can save you some time. I change the singular/plural structure or use a synonym for the "wagon" in the middle.

I hope that one day, I'm gonna come up with a software solution for reliable rewriting. At least, I know how it needs to work. Now, all I have to do is to find a crazy developer to team up with and even the crazier marketer to promote our life-changing solution. Try this one and tell me what you think. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    You write this as if people in this forum are also trying to plagiarize without it counting as plagiarizing. Truly, you do not have a problem with that? If people are paying you for it, you feel that you are doing good in the world? That you can openly talk about trying to beat a system that is designed to keep people honest? And if you did manage to beat the system, what would that accomplish? You would be delivering work that was just barely over the line. Would that be something to be proud of?

    People in this forum are copywriters, working on promotional assignments for clients who rely on us to be using our knowledge of writing and persuasion to bring in clients. With 99.9% of us, clients would never dream of using Copyscape to check our work. It isn't in the picture, because we are hired as trustworthy individuals who do the best we are capable of.

    What would be "lifechanging" would be for you to get out of the snake pit in which you are working - not creating a software tool so you can get away with being a snake.

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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      I'm afraid you're missing the point. Guys who do a lot of rewriting on a daily basis will certainly appreciate this advice.

      Even when I write blogs and web content, I always submit a Copyscape report to my clients. This is a part of my working routine. It has nothing to do with trust or something else. I did my job. I want to show it's reliable. Maybe some of your clients are checking your writing without letting you know in the first place.

      But, when it comes to rewriting itself. Copyscape is an absolute must. I don't mean to cheat, just to save some invaluable time for my colleague writers. In these types of projects the plagiarism checker results are all that matters.

      Live long and prosper.

      Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

      You write this as if people in this forum are also trying to plagiarize without it counting as plagiarizing. Truly, you do not have a problem with that? If people are paying you for it, you feel that you are doing good in the world? That you can openly talk about trying to beat a system that is designed to keep people honest? And if you did manage to beat the system, what would that accomplish? You would be delivering work that was just barely over the line. Would that be something to be proud of?

      People in this forum are copywriters, working on promotional assignments for clients who rely on us to be using our knowledge of writing and persuasion to bring in clients. With 99.9% of us, clients would never dream of using Copyscape to check our work. It isn't in the picture, because we are hired as trustworthy individuals who do the best we are capable of.

      What would be "lifechanging" would be for you to get out of the snake pit in which you are working - not creating a software tool so you can get away with being a snake.

      Marcia Yudkin
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        You can't be a subconscious plagiarist. It takes conscious effort to plagiarize.

        I read a lot, too. Once, just after finishing The Good Soldier (Ford Madox Ford), I wrote a piece of fiction 9 pages long. If you know the Good Soldier and that I've read it, you're going to say it influenced me (same kind of rhythm, mood, feel to it). But I don't need to run it through any scape to know it's original, has no parts of the Good Solider word-for-word.

        I bet Dostoyevsky, Proust, Virginia Wolf, never considered plagiarism-free as one of the criteria to judge their work as good by; it was a given that they're not plagiarizing.

        I don't know why Nesha is asked to rewrite anything. But the very request implies don't be original, steal and hide the fact that you are stealing.

        I was asked to rework some content a mechanical engineer created for his peer to make it easy to consume by non-engineers. None of the ideas of the result were mine, but my piece would have passed copyscape had copyscape existed at the time. Note: this was done for the same engineer who wrote it, he was the official writer of what I wrote.

        In the world of marketing, I see rewrite an article as an inexpensive attempt to bypass legality. Because I see it as some guy who says, You don't need none of that from me. Just go on this website and that website and rewrite what they have. I do the same.

        And, if you're a roofer, it's quite possible you do exactly the same. Still, you are not the owner of those other websites and you could do the same differently. But even if you do the same (flat roofs only, for instance) and you do your work in the same manner, so what? The content on those sites is not yours and you should come up with your own. After all, you're in your business, you know what your business does and how it does it.

        Nesha, if I were your client and you showed me a copyscape report, I'd have doubts about your work forever and ever. Because in my world, it goes without saying, that if I hire you to write me an original piece of something, it's going to be an original piece.

        Do you go to the store and feel compelled to show the cashier that the $3 you're handing over for the 2lbs of bread is yours, you did not steal it? Do you show them your paycheck?

        When I had some company build me a fence, it never crossed my mind to ask them for proof that the wood planks they used were theirs, legally, paid for, not stolen.

        When I go to Costco, I don't ask them for proof of ownership and they never ask me to proof that the money I pay them with is not stolen.

        Get the idea?

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        Originally Posted by lucyda View Post

        Actually, I personally has nothing again checking my pieces for plagiarism simply because I read a lot and when I write I guess sometimes I can subconsciously plagiarist, can't I? So, there's nothing wrong with double checking my piece to make sure everything is good. However, I don't think Copyscape is a good plagiarism checker. Once I plagiarized on purpose but according to Copyscape the piece was original. Actually, sometimes I contact websites that could write my paper for me and ask them just to check for plagiarism. From what I know they use their own plagiarism checking programs like TurnItIn. Still, if I'm sure the piece is original (and if the parts I borrowed are cited, and there aren't many of them), I never check for plagiarism.
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        I'm afraid you're missing the point. Guys who do a lot of rewriting on a daily basis will certainly appreciate this advice.

        Even when I write blogs and web content, I always submit a Copyscape report to my clients. This is a part of my working routine. It has nothing to do with trust or something else. I did my job. I want to show it's reliable. Maybe some of your clients are checking your writing without letting you know in the first place.

        But, when it comes to rewriting itself. Copyscape is an absolute must. I don't mean to cheat, just to save some invaluable time for my colleague writers. In these types of projects the plagiarism checker results are all that matters.

        Live long and prosper.
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      • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
        Can you tell me how you submit the report? I have a new client asking for this but although I have a premium account, I can't see how to run a report? I can check, but that's about it?

        Help gratefully accepted!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    As you know, there was a lot of conversation when you first came around about the quality of your content and whether or not it passed Copyscape.

    Are you now admitting that you actively work to cheat Copyscape in order to pay your bills?

    If so, as one that was trying to help you out and mostly be positive when most everyone else was being negative, I'm embarrassed to have been positive. I almost always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and I've been burned many times by doing so. I guess you are just one more example.

    Mark

    Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

    Rewriting projects/jobs pay my bills. This simple fact makes Copyscape be my best friend. We hang out a lot. This isn't a costly tool to use. I think it's 5 cents per check, something like that. It's also reliable. But, it's also annoying. Honestly, I just wanna get over with it. I enjoy much more working on real creative writing tasks. But, I guess, you gotta do what you gotta do.

    I think I've noticed a specific pattern. If you're using Copyscape, you can try it yourself. So, the story goes. Copyscape treats only three identical words in a row from the original text as plagiarism. If you can fix this "train" with its three wagons, then Copyscape will let you go.

    So, what's the best way to do it? Even the slightest change of the word order can save you some time. I change the singular/plural structure or use a synonym for the "wagon" in the middle.

    I hope that one day, I'm gonna come up with a software solution for reliable rewriting. At least, I know how it needs to work. Now, all I have to do is to find a crazy developer to team up with and even the crazier marketer to promote our life-changing solution. Try this one and tell me what you think. Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      No Mark, lol.

      I remember, that was one of the earlier discussions. This was a simple technical advice. Nothing more. Maybe I presented it all wrong. Maybe that's the case.

      If you think that I've finally shown my true ugly face, then good luck with that. I'm not gonna argue. I decided not to involve myself into personal level discussions. It's pointless.

      I loved and I still enjoy your "Not stupid enough" thread. One of the very best I've seen. Not gonna change my opinion because of your comment. I think you should do the same. One stupid or not properly written thread shouldn't change your opinion about me.

      All the best,
      Nesha

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      As you know, there was a lot of conversation when you first came around about the quality of your content and whether or not it passed Copyscape.

      Are you now admitting that you actively work to cheat Copyscape in order to pay your bills?

      If so, as one that was trying to help you out and mostly be positive when most everyone else was being negative, I'm embarrassed to have been positive. I almost always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and I've been burned many times by doing so. I guess you are just one more example.

      Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Thanks for your comment. Just wanted to ask. Is Turnitin reserved so to speak only for academic purposes? I would like to find a reliable and an effective tool/checker I can use on a daily basis. How these "machines" work, compare, and similar is beyond me. I've tried to use some of them side by side just to compare and see which one is more accurate. People, or better to say clients, trust more to Copyscape results that's all.

      Originally Posted by lucyda View Post

      Actually, I personally has nothing again checking my pieces for plagiarism simply because I read a lot and when I write I guess sometimes I can subconsciously plagiarist, can't I? So, there's nothing wrong with double checking my piece to make sure everything is good. However, I don't think Copyscape is a good plagiarism checker. Once I plagiarized on purpose but according to Copyscape the piece was original. Actually, sometimes I contact websites that could write my paper for me and ask them just to check for plagiarism. From what I know they use their own plagiarism checking programs like TurnItIn. Still, if I'm sure the piece is original (and if the parts I borrowed are cited, and there aren't many of them), I never check for plagiarism.
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      • Profile picture of the author lucyda
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Thanks for your comment. Just wanted to ask. Is Turnitin reserved so to speak only for academic purposes? I would like to find a reliable and an effective tool/checker I can use on a daily basis. How these "machines" work, compare, and similar is beyond me...
        The problem with TurnItIn is that it saves each and every piece you submit to it. So basically checking your works there isn't a good option. I guess that's why it is used only for academic purposes.
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        • Profile picture of the author neshaword
          Originally Posted by lucyda View Post

          The problem with TurnItIn is that it saves each and every piece you submit to it. So basically checking your works there isn't a good option. I guess that's why it is used only for academic purposes.

          Thx Lucy. I didn't have a clue it works that way. Interesting. Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    Guys who do a lot of rewriting on a daily basis will certainly appreciate this advice.
    Copywriters do not rewrite other people's work - and very rarely their own, either. Much less on a daily basis.

    Even when I write blogs and web content, I always submit a Copyscape report to my clients. This is a part of my working routine. It has nothing to do with trust or something else.
    It definitely has to do with trust. You are working in an ecosphere where there are many slimeballs and clients know it. Clients who come to copywriters and are prepared to pay decent rates will neither ask for nor expect, nor welcome, a Copyscape report. It's not even under consideration.

    You still do not understand the difference between the low-fee content writing world and the copywriting world. Don't assume that we live in your world. It's insulting and untrue.

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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

      It definitely has to do with trust. You are working in an ecosphere where there are many slimeballs and clients know it. Clients who come to copywriters and are prepared to pay decent rates will neither ask for nor expect, nor welcome, a Copyscape report. It's not even under consideration.

      You still do not understand the difference between the low-fee content writing world and the copywriting world. Don't assume that we live in your world. It's insulting and untrue.

      Marcia Yudkin
      This is so true In any creative field.

      Artists expect to be viewed as creators, interpreters and translators amongst a multitude of other things.

      Although in some circumstances they enjoy being compared to doyens of the past they most enjoy when they are respected for their own creativity.

      A copywriter is an artist not only with words but the psychology hidden within them.

      The masters of this craft don't need to be passed through a plagiarism check because they work to produce a unique (even if it is a derivative) work that delivers a result for the client who commissions the work.

      The test they need to pass is not one of "copying"

      Best regards,

      Ozi
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How to beat Copyscape in a legit way
    Simple, create original content. Not that I care about Copyscape.
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  • Synopsis, precis/summary, rewrite — alla these things depend on the existence of prior material.

    So you got mebbe Hamlet boiled down to 500 words.

    Or onea the longer posts on WF cut an' pruned from 2000 words to a punchier 750.

    Or any kinda prose, reimagined from the POV of a cat.

    Copy is squeezed fresh into the commercial wordpool, an' lacks anya this kinda 'prior'.

    Why feed Copyscape when you can stun it into hapless unconsciousness with stuff it never processed before?

    I figure copy offers a viewa the world gonna work out.

    It is futuresome, not priapically regurgitative.
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  • Profile picture of the author havplenty
    "One of the surest of tests is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest."

    T.S. Eliot circa 1920


    I really don't see why some people are busting your chops on this one. Its widely known that the very best copywriters, copy. What's good for copywriters surely must be good for content writers. Anyone who doubts this can consult Drayton Bird -- he's been writing "unoriginal" copy for more than 50 years.

    Good luck with your copyscape-thumping efforts
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Because the OP wants to beat copyscape.

      Did Drayton try that?

      Originally Posted by havplenty View Post



      I really don't see why some people are busting your chops on this one. Its widely known that the very best copywriters, copy. What's good for copywriters surely must be good for content writers. Anyone who doubts this can consult Drayton Bird -- he's been writing "unoriginal" copy for more than 50 years.

      Good luck with your copyscape-thumping efforts
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    Using your poetry analogy, it's as if the person was trying to set things up so she could have TS Eliot's "The Waste Land" in front of her and mechanically change the minimum amount of words so that a software tool would not be able to detect that that's what she had done to create her "new poem."

    No poets have ever done anything like that, with that intent. That is not creativity. It is not honest labor.

    I really don't see why some people are busting your chops on this one. Its widely known that the very best copywriters, copy.
    Every well-regarded copywriter who advises keeping "swipe files" also explains exactly how swiping is not copying. And it isn't. Swiping is using a structure or a pattern, not mechanically changing a minimum number of words.

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  • Profile picture of the author wordsandthebees
    Unfortunately, not everyone started their career at the top of the chain.

    A new copywriter is sometimes asked to write things that they don't want to. They're sometimes presented with an article for someone to say 'I want it like this but re-written' and they're sometimes asked to write about things they have no interest in or passion for 'just to pay the bills' Sometimes, they're also asked to create content.

    In my book, this is called doing whatever you can to get to where you want to be.

    I've been asked to re-write articles, and while it's not an ideal way for me to spend my time, and certainly where I don't hope to be in the future, it happens. It is through these crappy Copyscape-esque jobs that we gain experience, figure it out and work out what we don't want to do. All while paying the bills.

    I will always provide my clients with a Copyscape report. I have no question that my copy is unique, they have no question that my copy is unique, but I like to give peace of mind anyway. It's all part of the service.

    This is an interesting thread. Thanks all
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Originally Posted by wordsandthebees View Post

      Unfortunately, not everyone started their career at the top of the chain.

      In my book, this is called doing whatever you can to get to where you want to be.

      I will always provide my clients with a Copyscape report. I have no question that my copy is unique, they have no question that my copy is unique, but I like to give peace of mind anyway. It's all part of the service.
      Thx Words. I also provide my clients with Copyscape reports by default. I would like to recommend you to include a few more reports, which are free to use, but they can strengthen your position a lot. I always provide a Grammarly "report," which is honestly nothing more than a screenshot of the doc with gimme five Grammarly check points. You can use it for free. Then, you should Google The Writer Readability Check. Just type these words and you'll be just fine. Readability report is a great way to present your work in a positive way. If your readability score is OK, then your work reads smoothly. I mean, when it's readable, you don't need a report to know that for sure. But, your client needs to know that so he or she can appreciate your work in the right way. Finally, you can offer a keyword density report. You can find some online free tools, or I can provide you with some links. Thanks for this honest comment. We aren't all copywriting stars, but here's something I will remember:

      doing whatever you can to get to where you want to be

      Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author wordsandthebees
        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Thx Words. I also provide my clients with Copyscape reports by default. I would like to recommend you to include a few more reports, which are free to use, but they can strengthen your position a lot. I always provide a Grammarly "report," which is honestly nothing more than a screenshot of the doc with gimme five Grammarly check points. You can use it for free. Then, you should Google The Writer Readability Check. Just type these words and you'll be just fine. Readability report is a great way to present your work in a positive way. If your readability score is OK, then your work reads smoothly. I mean, when it's readable, you don't need a report to know that for sure. But, your client needs to know that so he or she can appreciate your work in the right way. Finally, you can offer a keyword density report. You can find some online free tools, or I can provide you with some links. Thanks for this honest comment. We aren't all copywriting stars, but here's something I will remember:

        doing whatever you can to get to where you want to be

        Cheers!
        Thanks Nesha,
        I'm on board with some of the things you mentioned, but if I need to provide a Grammar and Readability report to my clients then I'm definitely in the wrong job!! If it doesn't speak for itself that I know how to punctuate and that my articles read correctly, there is a big problem with me as a copywriter!!
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        • Profile picture of the author neshaword
          Originally Posted by wordsandthebees View Post

          Thanks Nesha,
          I'm on board with some of the things you mentioned, but if I need to provide a Grammar and Readability report to my clients then I'm definitely in the wrong job!! If it doesn't speak for itself that I know how to punctuate and that my articles read correctly, there is a big problem with me as a copywriter!!
          Not necessarily. I'm discussing it merely as a strategy. I check all of these things for every single piece of my writing. So, what I'm trying to say to my client is, hey look, I did your job, I checked everything and anything, so you can relax. From my humble personal experience, I've realized there are two types of clients in the writing industry. The first ones are those who do a heavy editing and thorough check on their own. The second, of course, are those in a hurry. Either they have to finish some projects or they simply don't care. I know that some of them use Copyscape and Grammarly by default. So, when I submit these reports, my clients don't say, what's this, but rather great, lemme use these myself. So, I was just sharing some of my personal experiences with good intentions. Cheers!
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            This tells me your clients are bottom of the barrel.

            You would benefit enormously if you went for different kinds of clients. I know it's not easy, but you should be trying.

            Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

            So, when I submit these reports, my clients don't say, what's this, but rather great, lemme use these myself.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by DABK View Post

              This tells me your clients are bottom of the barrel.

              You would benefit enormously if you went for different kinds of clients. I know it's not easy, but you should be trying.


              Maybe, but would the clients benefit?
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              • Profile picture of the author DABK
                Are we the Altruistic Society of America or the Let's Make Nesha Some Money Society of America?

                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Maybe, but would the clients benefit?
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  • Profile picture of the author gingerninjas
    This is a little bit of a worry, I am not sure that you should be trying to beat the Copyscape system. It's there for a purpose and to ensure that content is unique, it's not really there to try and get around unique content creation. I would really consider being careful in this area and focus on enhancing your copywriting so that you move onto projects that a writing project as opposed to rewriting. I know you're starting to create a conversation, however Copyscape is an important element in my work, I check most things through it to ensure all content is genuinely 100% unique, it's not supposed to be manipulated. Like grammar checks and spelling checks, it should be a step in the process however I would aim to avoid trying to work around the results.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Hey GN, I didn't mean literally beat/trick/hack Copyscape. This is more of a technical advice.

      If you have no other choice than to be involved in these types of projects, then at least what you can do is to spend as little time as possible working on them. If you know how Copyscape works, and you know that your client cares only about this segment of work, then do it quickly and efficiently. Get over with it, get paid, and move on.

      For some reason, warriors got an impression that I favor work, which isn't original?! Seriously? Why? Do you think I enjoy rewriting dozens of pages every single day like a machine waiting for Copyscape to gimme a green light? I feel bad and I feel the pain of every single person around me working on some meaningless tasks just because he or she has some mouth to feed.

      Copyscape actually pays my bills. And, I feed Copyscape with my words and time. That's all. My portfolio doesn't include my rewriting examples. Only work I've written from A to Z, using my own head and heart.

      Thank you,
      Nesha

      Originally Posted by gingerninjas View Post

      This is a little bit of a worry, I am not sure that you should be trying to beat the Copyscape system. It's there for a purpose and to ensure that content is unique, it's not really there to try and get around unique content creation. I would really consider being careful in this area and focus on enhancing your copywriting so that you move onto projects that a writing project as opposed to rewriting. I know you're starting to create a conversation, however Copyscape is an important element in my work, I check most things through it to ensure all content is genuinely 100% unique, it's not supposed to be manipulated. Like grammar checks and spelling checks, it should be a step in the process however I would aim to avoid trying to work around the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    A new copywriter is sometimes asked to write things that they don't want to. They're sometimes presented with an article for someone to say 'I want it like this but re-written' and they're sometimes asked to write about things they have no interest in or passion for 'just to pay the bills' Sometimes, they're also asked to create content.

    In my book, this is called doing whatever you can to get to where you want to be.
    As a writer - from the beginning - I set my own standards. I lost a couple clients initially because I would NOT discuss 'rewriting' copy of others. Had I worked for those clients I would have stayed at the bottom of the writer income heap.

    The biggest problem with rewriting - once you ignore the ethical issues which some seem able to do - is the lack of spark or interest in the resulting articles.

    What sets a writer or copywriter above the crowd? What builds the reputation of "good writer", "trusted writer", "writer that can produce results"???

    It's the personality and originality that comes through the copy. Not the carefully rearranged facts and ideas of someone else - but the "aha" moments of THAT writer connecting with the subject matter.

    If you don't "get that" you'll never move to the top rungs of income as a writer.
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    • Profile picture of the author neshaword
      Agree, agree, and agree, and agree again.

      Then at the end of my freelance rainbow comes a client and says, just gimme something to pass Copyscape. That's all I want. And you know what? There's no one around. There are no other clients waiting in line to offer me new projects.

      I say, yes sir, my Copyscape report is gonna shine like a star. Thank you for this wonderful opportunity. And I hate myself for it. I remember all of my creative tasks, which didn't require Copysape reports, because it was so obvious that I submitted a genuine work and because there have been so very few of them.

      That's it. Thanks anyway.
      Cheers,
      Nesha

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      As a writer - from the beginning - I set my own standards. I lost a couple clients initially because I would NOT discuss 'rewriting' copy of others. Had I worked for those clients I would have stayed at the bottom of the writer income heap.

      The biggest problem with rewriting - once you ignore the ethical issues which some seem able to do - is the lack of spark or interest in the resulting articles.

      What sets a writer or copywriter above the crowd? What builds the reputation of "good writer", "trusted writer", "writer that can produce results"???

      It's the personality and originality that comes through the copy. Not the carefully rearranged facts and ideas of someone else - but the "aha" moments of THAT writer connecting with the subject matter.

      If you don't "get that" you'll never move to the top rungs of income as a writer.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        The question, Nesha, is why is that your only client?

        And, if that's your only client, shouldn't you say no and focus on positioning yourself better? It doesn't take long.

        The problem with that is your only client so you say yes is that while you do that work you're not doing anything to get better work and it also bends/turns/twists things in such a way as to make it harder for you to get great clients.

        If that is, indeed, your only client, make sure you set aside time to do repositioning and marketing and advertising.

        You always have options.

        Originally Posted by neshaword View Post

        Agree, agree, and agree, and agree again.

        Then at the end of my freelance rainbow comes a client and says, just gimme something to pass Copyscape. That's all I want. And you know what? There's no one around. There are no other clients waiting in line to offer me new projects.

        I say, yes sir, my Copyscape report is gonna shine like a star. Thank you for this wonderful opportunity. And I hate myself for it. I remember all of my creative tasks, which didn't require Copysape reports, because it was so obvious that I submitted a genuine work and because there have been so very few of them.

        That's it. Thanks anyway.
        Cheers,
        Nesha
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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    Unfortunately, not everyone started their career at the top of the chain.

    A new copywriter is sometimes asked to write things that they don't want to. They're sometimes presented with an article for someone to say 'I want it like this but re-written'
    Copywriters at all levels are asked to do things they don't want to do. And regardless of their career level, they have the option to say no.

    I was asked once by a client, 'I want it like this but re-written' and I said no, and explained why I wouldn't do that. My client was really startled and somewhat embarrassed but went on to tell me to write something that met that purpose, from scratch. This client and I remained on good terms for years. I believe he learned an important lesson when I said no.

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  • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
    If you have no other choice than to be involved in these types of projects
    As I have said elsewhere, you DO have a choice. You always have a choice. It is sheer self-delusion and patently untrue to say that you have no other choice.

    All of us started with no client base whatsoever. If your "no choice" were the case, then all of us would have had to do what you are doing to get our business going. You chose to get started where you are now. And you are choosing to justify it by saying that you have "no choice" about what you are doing.

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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    I agree with a sentiment expressed in another post -

    WTF y'all? Seriously? NO CHOICE?!

    You know what's going on here? You're completely full of shit if you believe you have no choice.

    You ALWAYS have a choice.

    That doesn't mean the available choices are great or that there's always going to be a satisfying outcome. But there is ALWAYS a choice.

    You do NOT have to do "anything" to get more experience. If you're buying into relaxing ethical standards and personal principles just to make a buck, you are part of the problem.

    Put yourself in the other writer's shoes, for crying out loud. You put in an honest day's work and created something original from scratch, for which you may or may not have even been paid.

    Some so-called newb or "content writer" or hack biz-op conman comes along and "recycles" it to pad their own bottom line.

    No respect for the time, effort, thought, analysis that may have gone into it. No "aha" moments when an original idea or turn of phrase sets off something buried in your brain. No appreciation for the particulars of word choice or structure of the story.

    Just "I want to make money the quickest way possible, so I'm going to STEAL someone else's work and present it as my own".

    Seriously?!

    Would you go steal Tesla's next car chassis design, try to change the MINIMUM to pass it off as another car, and really try to call yourself original?

    Tesla is a well known because they focus on doing THEIR OWN THING. Elon Musk does his OWN THING.

    You will NEVER become successful with this kind of victim mentality mindset.

    It IS good to know that you will have to kiss some frogs to find your prince or princess in terms of life experience - we all do - but you absolutely do NOT have to compromise your own principles to do it. That is a CHOICE you make.

    And if you don't have principles - it shows.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It IS good to know that you will have to kiss some frogs to find your prince or princess in terms of life experience - we all do - but you absolutely do NOT have to compromise your own principles to do it. That is a CHOICE you make.
    Life lesson:

    Never Kiss the Same Frog Twice
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Awesome lesson!

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Life lesson:

      Never Kiss the Same Frog Twice
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    Are you now admitting that you actively work to cheat Copyscape in order to pay your bills?
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Chisom
    I wonder if there is a way to really do this...
    Still reading though
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    The idea is being viral but this is important to keep through that manual articles are best for SEO and search engines. Be natural and see results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    You bumped the thread to say that?

    I'll take altruistic - thank you very much.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Yup. For there's been another flurry of Nesha the last couple of days.

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      You bumped the thread to say that?

      I'll take altruistic - thank you very much.
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