Things to study as a newbie copywriter

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Yea.
Actually, I'm a complete newbie in copywriting. I've been reading some books, lately.

But, I want to know the things I need to become a great copywriter..more like things I need to study to become a good copywriter.
Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    Originally Posted by Joseph Olatunde View Post

    Yea.
    Actually, I'm a complete newbie in copywriting. I've been reading some books, lately.

    But, I want to know the things I need to become a great copywriter..more like things I need to study to become a good copywriter.
    Thank you
    Here's a lesson I learned about 20 years ago from one of the greatest copywriters who ever lived... Gary Halbert

    When I first learned this lesson it turned my entire world upside down. Because up until that point I was taught to be a great copywriter, we needed to be creative or follow formulas and techniques.

    Like most copywriters, when I sat down to work I deliberately tried to be creative. I tried hard to be clever, and often struggled and struggled to "dream up" an offer that would make people buy.

    But then I learned the truth...

    And once I started looking at it from a different point of view, my copy got better and my conversion rates shot straight through the roof. And I never looked back.


    Would you like to know what really separates a world class copywriter from the rest of the pack?

    It's nothing mysterious. In fact, it's really quite simple. And once you hear it you may kick yourself for not realizing it sooner. Because it really is that obvious...

    You see, when it comes to copywriting (or any type of selling), what really separates the pros from the shmos is one simple ingredient. And this simple Ingredient Is...

    The Willingness To Become Intimately Involved With Your Market!



    If you'll spend the time to intimately understand your customers (most people won't), you'll learn more about how to sell to your customers than 1,000 "creative" guys sitting around trying to dream up the next Giecko Lizard or Eveready Bunny.

    What you must do, if you really want to learn how to sell through the written word (or sell in general), is you must go out and live amongst your prospects in their world.

    You need to walk with them, talk with them, laugh and cry with them, and in general do whatever you can do to get to know your customers and what they're going through in their day-to-day lives.


    This next soundbite Gary gave me only makes sense after you understand the above concept. Simply put...

    "More Answers Will Be Found Through Movement Than Will Ever Be Found Through Meditation"


    (Disclaimer: We're talking about selling here. If you're on a spiritual quest then meditation might be the better move)


    Is getting to know your customers really worth the time and trouble?


    The answer of course is a resounding "YES".

    Because when it comes to writing great sales copy, it's not a matter of knowing how to write, it's a matter of knowing what to write.
    And understanding what your customers want, how they feel, and the words they use in their daily lives will tell you exactly what to write.




    Here's a real world example of why it's so important to understand your customers...


    This real story goes back to the middle of last century, but the lesson is even more relevant today


    Many years ago (back in the 1950's), the Betty Crocker brand was a household name selling recipe books and baked goods to the American housewife (this was long before people took offense to the term "housewife")

    Anyway, the company came out with an instant cake mix. All you had to do was add water, stir it up a bit, and pop it in the oven.

    The advertising slogan was: "We Do It All For You!"

    The campaign bombed and sales were practically non existent.

    Can you guess why?

    The people at the Betty Crocker company had no clue, so they called in a marketing psychologist to help figure it out.

    What the psychologist discovered (by actually talking with customers) was that even though women wanted the convenience of an easy recipe, when a woman bakes a cake it was an act of creation, and they took a great deal of pride in serving home baked goods to friends and family.

    So the women were actually turned off by the idea that the "creative process" of baking a cake would no longer require any effort.

    After they discovered this little nugget of insight, Betty Crocker changed the recipe.

    They removed the powdered egg so women had to add an egg, then add water, stir it up and pop it in the oven.

    They also changed the tagline from "We do it for you" to "We do it together".

    The result...

    BOOM! Hundreds of millions of dollars in instant cake mix sales!


    Can you see the powerful difference between telling people what you think they want to hear, and finding out what they actually do want?
    It's like flipping a switch and turning on a light. One minute you can't see, and the next minute everything is crystal clear.


    So if you really want to be a great copywriter, go to where your customers live.

    It could be facebook groups or chat rooms or niche forums, and when this whole COVID thing is finally over you can even go find them out in the real (physical) world.
    Hang out with them. Talk with them. Laugh and cry with them. And in general do whatever you can do to get to know your customers.



    Or, if you'd rather be a struggling copywriter, you can always spend your time trying to dream up clever ways to sell your products.

    It's your choice.


    Here's to connecting with more customers, for bigger winners, more often...

    All the best,
    Steve




    TLDR -

    If you want to be a great copywriter Study People and Markets. Learn what they want and find a way to give it to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author tlavonlawrence
      That was one beautifully useful response. Very much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by Joseph Olatunde View Post

    Actually, I'm a complete newbie in copywriting. I've been reading some books, lately.

    But, I want to know the things I need to become a great copywriter..more like things I need to study to become a good copywriter.

    It might take a lifetime to become a great copywriter.

    In the meanwhile, keep reading, and reading, and
    learning until you get "IT."

    You will know when that happens and then you can
    stop pondering about what you're missing.

    And then keep reading, and reading, and learning.

    Make sure you have the classics in your collection:

    The Copywriter's Handbook
    Ogilvy on Advertising
    Scientific Advertising
    The Ultimate Sales Letter
    Advertising Secrets of the Written Word

    And more.

    Read what interests YOU.

    Watch the expert old-timers videos.

    Get some clients and learn by doing.

    Stick to the fundamentals and you will be fine.
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  • • Know who your Audience are.
    • Know what they are searching for everyday.
    • Know their Pain Point.
    • And Use your product as a solution to their problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Serene Carmen
    Cashvertising is also a good read.
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  • Copywriting sometimes gives me a really hard time and a lot of work. But i think by reading 3 articles a day and sometime watching a youtube videos with a different topics can help me increase my skill of copywriting. I know that im no expert, but for me, those 2 things helped a lot for now
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  • There are 2 influencahs you gotta consider.

    One is ... the giants done good so far.

    You cannot ignore the landmarks they set for travel in this areah.

    Howwevah, the ONE THING this broad areah of expertise don't gaht there is YOUR CONTRIBYOOTION ...

    as a once only hooman person lookin' in on select hooman person endeavors of worth.

    Thing about alla our lives is how flux of possibility can nevah be universal.

    Among the great twists of fate & expertise shapin' the world, we are pretty much nuthin' indiviyooly.

    But once we figure there is a world to reach out to, summa that homesy stuff is actshwlly raw firepowah.

    So ... we must endeavor to rest among our forbears with immense gratitood, but also naht diminish ourselves by acceptin' as gahspel the ceilings they presoomed without we gaht here next.

    This is respectful progress with a view to solvin' prahblems we nevah seen yet.

    Science nevah stopped aftah an apple dropped on Nooton's head, so we cannot seek to hold up Halbert, Bird, an' F*S F*** B**** C*** Kern as the last word on copy forevah.

    What good would this gain nowan?
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  • Profile picture of the author OKPlodder
    Like someone said above, learn by doing, as in specialize quickly (decide on a niche and read as much sample sales copy as you can find that targets the market you want to create copy for, then practice writing copy for that market)

    If you read a lot of good copy, most of these copywriters will have done their homework, so you'll find that you soak up all these pain points that your target market has.

    Then find where they hang up, as in forums like was mentioned and polish up your knowledge of your market.

    That is one of the fastest ways to get good at copywriting. A good product I really liked that you can learn the basics from is Randy Gage's How To Become A Copywriting Stud

    Happy plodding!
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  • Profile picture of the author Denise Dorman
    Hi Joseph,

    Someone wrote to know your audience and know their pain point. That is the essence of it. You want to sell someone a good night's sleep, NOT the mattress.

    Today people hire for different types of copywriting: SEO copywriting, UX copywriting and CONVERSION copywriting. The styles are different and I prefer writing the latter but am adept at all styles. Micro-copy is UX (user experience) driven. This is the type of copy you'd see as a CTA (call to action), such as an "I'm Interested" button or a "Grab My Copy" button to download something from a website.
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  • Profile picture of the author WF- Enzo
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    Being a wide reader helps in ways.
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  • Originally Posted by Joseph Olatunde View Post

    Yea.
    Actually, I'm a complete newbie in copywriting. I've been reading some books, lately.

    But, I want to know the things I need to become a great copywriter..more like things I need to study to become a good copywriter.
    Thank you
    The number one thing I practice is paying attention to Ads and Promos and Emails and take notes of the ones that actually made me want to reach for a credit card.

    Then Take Notes on What they did.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by Joseph Olatunde View Post

    Yea.
    Actually, I'm a complete newbie in copywriting. I've been reading some books, lately.

    But, I want to know the things I need to become a great copywriter..more like things I need to study to become a good copywriter.
    Thank you
    Well, GREAT copywriter might be subjective, I offer this opinionated definition: a great copywriter reaches their goals.

    You may have a different definition. Many of the 7 figure a year copywriters I have worked with and for, have set their goals and sights on that million dollar a year target. But there are others, whom I consider great, who had a target of half of that or even less. One lady only worked 3 days a week, and she was happy to earn 300k per year for her part-time copy writing.

    One thing to study, right now, from the get go, is response. In order to do that, you need to have some sort of an offer in force, you need to sell something, right now.

    Something you can write about, keep track of, get feedback on, and see with your own eyes how you are making progress. You need to start a personal file on your copy writing doings.

    Before this month is out, start selling something with your own copy. Keep reading, studying and learning...but LEARN by doing at the same time. Frame your journey with goals and successes. How else will you know when you cross the greatness threshold?

    GordonJ
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    • Profile picture of the author tlavonlawrence
      Sweet reply! I hear cash registers ringing already!
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  • Profile picture of the author Pre Pre
    That's a good step to follow. You also need to take note of your grammar competence to be good and make your work come out the best
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  • Profile picture of the author agrajag
    Whilst creativity is great for writing in general, your copywriting can really benefit from understanding how and why people make decisions.

    Try reading books about psychology and decision-making processes.

    As mentioned above, core spelling and grammar are vital, however, also learn when it may be appropriate to bend or break some of these rules.
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  • Just start writing after getting a grasp on the basics. These types of questions have been asked for years, and there's no special course that will give you the powers of persuasion... the only thing that really counts is experience. Writing out GH letters by hand is also one of the greatest things I ever did. to improve my skills.
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    • Profile picture of the author copyclem
      quick question...

      I kept seeing advice on writing out existing good copies written by renowned copywriters. how is this beneficial? Is it so we can get used to the tone, flow, and structure of how a good copywriter writes?

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nuadazan
    Copywriting is such an occupation which requires lots of practice, but not theoretical learning. So, the main here for you as a newbie in this field is to find a freelance websites, where you will take orders. This will bring you enough experience to start learning major peculiarities of copywriting activity. Theory is pretty simple, always check your grammar and write in a proper style. You can read information about styles and their peculiarities and features, mainly because you have to understand how to write when you take an order. There is nothing difficult to start this activity, the most difficult task here is to find orders.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I have to disagree: there is a lot more than correct spelling and grammar involved. By a lot, I mean psychology and conversions.

      Read a piece by one of the greats, and you will see the above is true.

      Originally Posted by Nuadazan View Post

      Copywriting is such an occupation which requires lots of practice, but not theoretical learning. So, the main here for you as a newbie in this field is to find a freelance websites, where you will take orders. This will bring you enough experience to start learning major peculiarities of copywriting activity. Theory is pretty simple, always check your grammar and write in a proper style. You can read information about styles and their peculiarities and features, mainly because you have to understand how to write when you take an order. There is nothing difficult to start this activity, the most difficult task here is to find orders.
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      • Profile picture of the author 1Bryan
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        I have to disagree: there is a lot more than correct spelling and grammar involved. By a lot, I mean psychology and conversions.

        Read a piece by one of the greats, and you will see the above is true.
        To be a great, sure. To get started, no. The problem with invoking the greats is, most of us will never be them. The conditions don't exist anymore. I can never replicate Gary Bencivenga. Because those market conditions are GONE. Forever.

        Just get started. **** everything else.

        I think that was the main point of the person you quoted. In which case, I agree with them.

        Most Warriors have never been A-level copywriters. They don't have to be. Re-read what they posted. And skip past the grammar part. It's easy to get triggered.

        But their main point was to get gigs. Which is the main point.
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          I get what you are saying. But even if you are not great, just starting, you need more than spelling and grammar.

          You do not need as much as Bencivenga, true. But you need enough to get the gig again and again. Spelling and grammar alone won't do that for you.

          My experience.

          Originally Posted by 1Bryan View Post

          To be a great, sure. To get started, no. The problem with invoking the greats is, most of us will never be them. The conditions don't exist anymore. I can never replicate Gary Bencivenga. Because those market conditions are GONE. Forever.

          Just get started. **** everything else.

          I think that was the main point of the person you quoted. In which case, I agree with them.

          Most Warriors have never been A-level copywriters. They don't have to be. Re-read what they posted. And skip past the grammar part. It's easy to get triggered.

          But their main point was to get gigs. Which is the main point.
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          • Profile picture of the author WF- Enzo
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            Good fundamentals start with spelling and grammar. The others, you'll have to learn and work as you go.



            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            Spelling and grammar alone won't do that for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vivianne Bell
    The fact that you read books is very good. When I was improving my writing skills, I was advised to do the same.
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  • Must we admit into our roster of DEAD CERTS the way our lives unfold moment by moment against a backdrop of MIGHTY FORCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL?

    Aw, gowan then ...

    Evry word you write must summon sure steps forward from outta stiflin' uncertainty.

    Lipstick confidence, whatevah the color.

    Bcs mebbe a noo job, or Brad in the coffee bar is cute, or it tastes neat when I lick it.

    How may I place a sweet kiss upon a planet don't care if I live or die?

    *trips ovah*

    *squeals*

    The enablement potential of opportoonity vistas depends entirely upon the beholdah.

    So you gotta write always for the people lookin' your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cayenne Marie
    By learning and understanding your market completely you can do a pretty good on your copywriting. By completely understanding the problems your niche is having, you can agitate the pain, then solve their problem. Creativity is also a big plus.
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  • Hey Joseph... welcome to the rough and tumble adventure of copywriting...

    Figuring this stuff out takes time and experience... but man it's such an exciting journey. I've never been bored... there's so much to learn.

    Imagine the amazing sense of power you'll experience, when you've written a piece of copy that can offer your client REAL help in growing their business. Your life will never be the same.

    Speaking of books... I found Kyle Milligan's book "Take Their Money" was an important book for me. Especially in understanding the subtleties of writing copy... and how to break down A-Level copywriter's works.

    Here's the routine, I follow, that keeps me sharp and feeling like I'm always moving forward... getting better and better every day.
    • Writing a piece of copy every day.
    • Read a piece of copy every day. (study and dissect A-Level writers work)
    • And, come up with an idea, every day.

      Welcome...
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Honestly, I agree with studying the masters, the classics, and in modeling after successful people, no doubt, it just makes sense to do just that.

    Also, I have found glimpses of wisdom throughout the music I listen to (*and attempt to sing on occasion to fire off the ole throat chakra, lol) - but in seriousness, some of the books I read after being tossed off FB about 9 times last year taught me to look beyond traditional copywriting and since I have devoured the following books I found gave way more insight to anything you choose to market online or offline.

    All of these can be found freely on YouTube... most of these are merely wise teachings, not religion, although had most absorbed these first, odds are probable you would recognize the patterns throughout ALL wise teachings including Christianity, Hinduism, and even Eastern Philosophy contains brilliant minds and masters!

    - "The Emerald Tablet" - Thoth (Hermetic)
    - The Kybalion - by The Three Initiates (Hermetic)
    - Alan Watts - Lectures (*Buddhism)
    - Michael Sugrue - (Princeton Philosophy Lectures)
    - The Hermetica - (*Lost Wisdom of the Pharaohs)

    I could list a ton more concerning NLP, Psycho-Cybernetics, and a side dish of Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill always gets me... oh, and for the record, the women Sharon Letcher who finally produced "Outwitting the Devil" (*originally produced in 1938) in 2011 also co-authored 14 of the Rich Dad Poor Dad books with Robert Kiyosaki - I guess they had differences, but nonetheless, she and Robert also co-authored a book with Trump as well.

    I find inspiration for writing sales copy in everything, I just haven't decided to what extremes do I desire to make writing copy my only passion(?), when I have been working on multiple disciplines for years (*decades really) which I think is crucial to really achieve any great heights in writing sales copy, understanding communications, and in marketing anything!
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post


      I just haven't decided to what extremes do I desire to make writing copy my only passion(?), when I have been working on multiple disciplines for years (*decades really) which I think is crucial to really achieve any great heights in writing sales copy, understanding communications, and in marketing anything!
      Well, art72, you raise a good question. First, what are great heights in writing sales copy, and how much Higher IS that than being just good enough to earn a lot of money from it?

      Understanding people.

      Motivation, desires, needs and wants, a Maslow pyramid of all those...gives one a decent foundation to write copy which converts, and is good enough to make a lot of money for time invested.

      Whereas, as it being an only passion, means one gives up those pursuits of other ideas.

      Now, this just my opinion, but you are already a good enough writer (able to get your point across) to be a paid copywriter, IF that is what you really want to do.

      I think too many people fall in love with the IDEA of being a copywriter AND in some ways elevate it beyond what it mostly is...a way for a creative writer to earn a decent income because the masses can't do it.

      As for becoming one of the greats, or achieve highs...is that a true desire for most newbie copy writers? I doubt it. I feel they have bought into the idea, that barefoot beach lifestyle of just writing out your ideas on a big yellow pad and being paid a lot of money for doing that.

      Well, there are other ways to approach it, such as...I can do it. I can offer it as a service if I want, do it for myself, or not do it all.

      It is a TIME consumer, if you want to be known for it.

      It is a cult. And there are those who have realized this and made a lot of money selling to the cult of copy, without having reached any great heights at all.

      Some might see it as a useful skill to be used, a sword to be drawn when needed, but mostly kept in its sheath while jousting at other windmills.

      GordonJ
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      • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        Some might see it as a useful skill to be used, a sword to be drawn when needed, but mostly kept in its sheath while jousting at other windmills.

        GordonJ
        Can I get a bikini wax metaphor on that?

        Natchrlly I wanna flourish all ovah, but I don't wanna get plucked off unnecessary jus' bcs I gotta throw on speshl panties.

        Main thing is, evry writah's deal is continual refinement.

        Bcs if'n it ain't, likely we all jus' quotin' stuff at random when we could prolly be enlistin' HOT GUYS as slaves.

        I would wish always to see our most evocative desires find word an' heart to make 'em land SCHWAP right there where we step out tamara.

        An' by 'EM, I mean whatever you want me to mean, trooly.

        It is without doubt that the iconography of swords cuts into desire for progress like an eponimolestin' divider of unhalves.

        So can flahpin' out on a beach be OK?

        A level plateau. A still place. An open horizon into which our dreams an' desires may pour freely.

        Any copy evah written gotta invite the audience along.

        Precision of sword, breadth of wish, plus mebbe also ice cream drippin' on my ass from outta noplace as I languish in the sand.

        99 times outta 100 it is a stoopid kid with a frisbee embedded in its cranium can't see to lick the meltin' ice cream straight.

        So ima holdin' out for Benedict Cumberbatch in EZ Spray Mode -- an I don't care if'n he passed ovah pistachio for mere vanilla.

        Swords. Drips. Beaches. Lips.

        *Princess catches breath*

        Aw, yeah, this is the Copywritin' Forum, ain't it?

        In my desiah for creamsy blobs of milk-based yummy cast upon my flesh as I bask in the glow of all wondah, I clean forgaht ...

        DAN KENNEDY!

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        Remembah: Damocles are monocles don't fit too straight.

        That is why ima lyin' down for 2022.

        Happy Noo Year evrywan, plus ZZzzzzzzzz.
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  • Profile picture of the author Klara Pelhe
    Originally Posted by Joseph Olatunde View Post

    Yea.
    Actually, I'm a complete newbie in copywriting. I've been reading some books, lately.

    But, I want to know the things I need to become a great copywriter..more like things I need to study to become a good copywriter.
    Thank you

    For you to become successful copywriter or anything else really on the internet, you need to invest a lot of patience and efforts in all activities you're performing as this is the only thing that will make you stand out eventually. This means that you first need to continue reading some blogs and books about copywriting tips, but you also have to put everything that you have learnt in practice and start making some personal project, open social media profile were you will make your own posts, create blog section on your site, and so on. This way you'll also start getting feedback from other users that will help you figure out what you need to enhance and what is working just fine.

    Also, make sure to follow some famous copywriters or ones that you personally like, since this will also help catch some tricks and get some fresh and original ideas about your content.
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