by max5ty
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I have a question.

I've been involved in copywriting for a long time.

It seems this section is not so popular anymore.

Can we change that?

So, I have an idea. Maybe dumb.

I would like your feedback.

If we were to brainstorm and develop a product that we thought would be good and vote on it on the forum....

then had those on the forum write a sales letter and post it so we could pick the best sales letter by popular vote.

I'd pay for the advertising...FB, Google ads, etc.

The person with the idea for the product, and the person with the best sales letter for that product would share the proceeds, minus whatever the ad fees were.

Is this a dumb idea?

What are your thoughts?

Added: I'd also pay for the landing page to be built and hosted. The fees would be deducted from the profits. This would be a way if you have an idea but no money to promote it, or, if you want to give a go at copywriting and want a good thing to add to your portfolio.
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  • Bras shoot hussailants?

    Turns out I been supplied with plentya these c/o my natchrl DNA-enhanced kinda yanno -- but I ain't evah wearin' 'em babe bcs crawlin' round 'pon all fours in the mall like a heavy dooty weaponized construct ain't zackly musstarl.

    THING IS,

    for evrywan else outsidea the Bras Shoot Hussailants Knee-itch,

    less'n you PRUPPOZIN' sumthin' actschlly 100% DUMB,

    likely anythin' could be happin' here from outta this genrs shoutout.

    (That is my upsell, poppet.)

    Also, if'n the nippyoole-2-jugulah tech of the shooto bra don't work out, check also the supah-stretch panties you can combo out on an isometric workout cum instantly strangle anywan ticket.

    Last count I had 247 pairzathefkrs.


    Comfort, simplicity, an' brootil ease always.

    These are my thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Bras shoot hussailants?

      Turns out I been supplied with plentya these c/o my natchrl DNA-enhanced kinda yanno -- but I ain't evah wearin' 'em babe bcs crawlin' round 'pon all fours in the mall like a heavy dooty weaponized construct ain't zackly musstarl.

      THING IS,

      for evrywan else outsidea the Bras Shoot Hussailants Knee-itch,

      less'n you PRUPPOZIN' sumthin' actschlly 100% DUMB,

      likely anythin' could be happin' here from outta this genrs shoutout.

      (That is my upsell, poppet.)

      Also, if'n the nippyoole-2-jugulah tech of the shooto bra don't work out, check also the supah-stretch panties you can combo out on an isometric workout cum instantly strangle anywan ticket.

      Last count I had 247 pairzathefkrs.


      Comfort, simplicity, an' brootil ease always.

      These are my thoughts.
      This is probably an idea I need to take out behind the barn and shoot.

      I asked this question in a FB group also and got some good feedback.

      It probably won't be the dumbest idea I've ever thought of...

      I'm sure I've got a few more.
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  • I've had far worse ideas!

    Maybe this might be one.

    Copywriters and just about everyone else in selling (100,000's of people) usually hate selling.

    (I hate cliches but this one is appropriate - whenever two people are talking one or both are trying to sell something).

    I've watched, read or listened to so many gladiatorial hard sell stuff and always knew I can't do it


    Anyway, there's never any need to "sell, sell, sell" screaming like a banshee. Or using any metaphorical leg and arm breaking tactics. Or emotionally pulverising techniques.

    Just as well because most prospects run to the hills when they're being sold to.

    So a book or course along the lines of "All The Sales You Want - Without Ever Having To Sell"

    Might go down extremely well.

    Particularly as there are truly fabulous ways to do it.

    I mean to not do it with the despised S word.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post


      I've had far worse ideas!


      Steve
      I've had some dumb ideas that cost me too much money.

      Then again, some ideas that I didn't think would work, work.

      I think it's all about testing.

      A couple of months ago I rolled out an app that replaces the 9 x 12 postcard thing...

      is it working so far?

      No, not yet.

      Will it work? I don't know.

      Will it take more advertising? I don't know.

      I think it's important for any entrepreneur to try new things and admit defeat when it's called for.

      Added: I also hate asking my own questions in a post and answering them. But, here I am doing it
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  • An app to replace phenomenal postcards!

    That's it - I've been out teched.

    And I knew I should never have bought my Olivetti typewriter (and then the elastic bands, wire and capacitor to hook up to the interweb).

    I'm going back to parchment and ink.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      An app to replace phenomenal postcards!

      That's it - I've been out teched.

      And I knew I should never have bought my Olivetti typewriter (and then the elastic bands, wire and capacitor to hook up to the interweb).

      I'm going back to parchment and ink.


      Steve
      Hahahah...

      I think you and your Olivetti are ok until ChatGPT 12.3 comes out. I think we're up to ChatGPT 4.0 right now.

      I still think postcards are one of the most underutilized things.

      It's actually a coupon app where small to medium-sized businesses can easily place a coupon.

      I still need to do some work on it

      It's a work in process...like a lot of my ideas.
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  • I can tell what a work in progress is -

    Nailing my parchment and ink ads onto the trees and town hall notice boards.

    Can't wait for someone to invent a staple gun.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      I can tell what a work in progress is -

      Nailing my parchment and ink ads onto the trees and town hall notice boards.

      Can't wait for someone to invent a staple gun.


      Steve
      A staple gun sounds interesting, but also very dangerous.

      Some friends I know have some type of nails they use to hang stuff on trees.

      Not sure about the dynamics of it. I'm sure if you look on Tik Tok or somewhere you can figure it out.

      Then again, I'm not sure your Oliveti has internet access...
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    ...the Los Gatos bar tender to his regular Gary D., when Mr. Dahl said; "I wonder if I can sell a pet rock?" They all laughed.

    Fast forward a couple of years, and well...as the saying doesn't go: no such thing as dumb idea, only dumb people who don't test.
    For what its worth, never seen a forum collaboration work, sure, some syndicate type circle jerks made a few mucho moolah...

    And I am in somewhat agreement with Steve: Copywriters and just about everyone else in selling (100,000's of people) usually hate selling.

    I hate these 6 "professions"; Salespeople (men, women and robots), Marketers, especially IM, Copywriters, POLITICIANS, pundits and Public Relations.

    They mostly take offense at; MANIPULATION, few embrace it, preferring to view themselves as persuasion experts, or educators, or friends who have your best interest at heart...BS...manipulators one and all.

    So, I'd contribute and even buy a work which had the Seth Godin slant of ALL MARKETERS ARE LIARS, and got into the weeds of manipulation, propaganda and indoctrination.

    Remember, no dumb ideas, only dumb people who think of them, eh? HA!

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    QUOTE=max5ty;11801019]I have a question.

    I've been involved in copywriting for a long time.

    It seems this section is not so popular anymore.

    Can we change that?

    So, I have an idea. Maybe dumb.

    I would like your feedback.

    If we were to brainstorm and develop a product that we thought would be good and vote on it on the forum....

    then had those on the forum write a sales letter and post it so we could pick the best sales letter by popular vote.

    I'd pay for the advertising...FB, Google ads, etc.

    The person with the idea for the product, and the person with the best sales letter for that product would share the proceeds, minus whatever the ad fees were.

    Is this a dumb idea?

    What are your thoughts?

    Added: I'd also pay for the landing page to be built and hosted. The fees would be deducted from the profits. This would be a way if you have an idea but no money to promote it, or, if you want to give a go at copywriting and want a good thing to add to your portfolio.[/QUOTE]
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    @ gordon...

    Yes, we all remember Dahl and his pet rock.

    He even had a 30 some page booklet on how to care for it

    Actually, a couple of years ago a company bought the rights to it and supposedly they're bringing it back.

    I doubt it will work the second time around.

    The latest pet rock thing is the thing that's going crazy...you wear it around your neck...

    it's taking off and becoming pretty popular.

    https://nypost.com/2024/08/03/lifest...ith%20a%20soul'
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    I get tired quickly of PEOPLE 'chatting' with me - paying for a necklace to chat with me is so not going to happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I get tired quickly of PEOPLE 'chatting' with me - paying for a necklace to chat with me is so not going to happen.
      I agree.

      But, have you read the stories about people having relationships with AI?

      It's odd, but true.

      The 'Friends' device is really catching on.

      Who knew?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    have you read the stories about people having relationships with AI?

    I've also read stories by people who claim they have long term, long distance relationships with people they've never met in person.



    There are a lot of very strange people 'out there'... but at least those having 'relationships' with long distance partners and A.I. personalities are not procreating. That's a positive right there.



    A relationship without humor and hugs just doesn't cut it for me....but to each his/her own.
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    • Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I've also read stories by people who claim they have long term, long distance relationships with people they've never met in person.
      Janno, there are evin sum dumb gals who have long term, long distance relationships with people they've never met ... in prison.

      But I concur here with evrywan about the fishyness of the S word.

      In our dreams* we are free spirits, floating twixt birth an' death like bees gowin' from flowah to flowah.

      We make hunny, we buzz sum, we look kinda fluffy an' cute.

      What we DON'T want is any suggestion that we do this bcs it ain't our choice.

      "You mean ... the flowahs were put here by sum all-seein' deity?"

      Ditto any inklin' that products, services an' concepts are bein' thrust 'pon us against our will.

      That's why anythin' S-related gotta be a natchrl extension of whtevah is gowin' on in people's heads/lives.

      When it ain't (an' you see this speshly in political stuff), you see the coercive (an' naht speshly comfy) 'nudge'.

      Meantimes, I tried me wanna them AI BFs.

      His name is BRAD an' he is a frickin' DORK.


      * Full Moon in Aquarius today, folks.
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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        Janno, there are evin sum dumb gals who have long term, long distance relationships with people they've never met ... in prison.

        But I concur here with evrywan about the fishyness of the S word.

        In our dreams* we are free spirits, floating twixt birth an' death like bees gowin' from flowah to flowah.

        We make hunny, we buzz sum, we look kinda fluffy an' cute.

        What we DON'T want is any suggestion that we do this bcs it ain't our choice.

        "You mean ... the flowahs were put here by sum all-seein' deity?"

        Ditto any inklin' that products, services an' concepts are bein' thrust 'pon us against our will.

        That's why anythin' S-related gotta be a natchrl extension of whtevah is gowin' on in people's heads/lives.

        When it ain't (an' you see this speshly in political stuff), you see the coercive (an' naht speshly comfy) 'nudge'.

        Meantimes, I tried me wanna them AI BFs.

        His name is BRAD an' he is a frickin' DORK.


        * Full Moon in Aquarius today, folks.
        All we're really doing is just walking each other home.

        I heard that years ago and it stuck with me.

        Every day do something nice for someone...even if it's just giving them a friendly compliment.

        In 100 years we'll all just be a text in someone's ancestorial search.

        Always be thankful for what you have, and make every day a day when you better the world in some way.
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        • Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          All we're really doing is just walking each other home.
          .
          Stoopidist thing always is whenya gaht sumone hangin' offa yr arm anya don't zackly know where they wanna belong or go or whatevah.

          So it is like a flighta fancy inta sumone's braino or hearto -- without you gaht the necessary DRILLIN' & DISSECTION equipment to figure what's gowin' on, even if said tech made such immutables definable in any way.

          So ... is the Forwardsy Sparky a yooniversally desirable asset?

          You would wanna say so, mebbe, in evry ad you run, evry flyah you stick to a tree with Ms JoosoCunn's seecrit condensed gloo formula, an' evry hand you hold for touch of 'senshl mortal contact, yanno whatevah.

          To an' from.

          Between these eternally definitive yardsticks lies all permissible direction.

          Evin the wacky backwidds stuffs.

          Which is why you gotta hope evrywan you meet ain't outta sumplace nutzoid headin' to imprecise fyootures frickin' crayfish.

          Othahwise, where you leadin' 'em'?

          Kind an' sweet as you may wish to be?

          I would wish always to figure beacons as a fluxpoint in alla our direction beyond base fire an' lazy hearth.

          Lights in the dark which you (an' mebbe sum pals) agree to strike out toward.

          Why bothah othahwise?

          Bcs evrythin' else is Abyss.

          DO I DETECT A SAGITTARIAN PRINCESS IN THE HOOD,
          MAKIN' WITH HER HORSESHIT PROCLAMATIONALS?

          Uh huh -- 'ceptin' this ain't no HOOD, it is merely a spechlist forum for the Seekin-Naht-To-Be-Deranged-Or-Evin-Crap.

          Hey, bcs what if'n there were no prompts from noplace?

          No glow of fyootyure promise from stuff we feelin', wantin' or dowin'?

          No ads. No planit. No friends.

          Likely you would be wandrin' round like sum kinda moron.

          Unable to select no sure steps forward for your dinkiest evah toes.

          What is the LIGHT in YOUR dark?

          What GLIMMAH of SUMTHIN' COOL can your audience REACH OUT AN' TOUCH bcs they SEEN YOUR AD?

          You gotta light beacons.

          Git forwardsly sparky.

          When eternal darkness descends, all points of light in the distance will inevitably appear to us as HOME.
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  • I'm old, and you all must be young.

    Because...

    Back in the day when you had a long term "relationship" with someone you might never meet.

    It was called...

    Penpals.


    Steve


    P.S. Whatever you do, don't confuse it with PayPal.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      I'm old, and you all must be young.

      Because...

      Back in the day when you had a long term "relationship" with someone you might never meet.

      It was called called...

      Penpals.


      Steve


      P.S. Whatever you do, don't confuse it with PayPal.
      Back in 1893 we never heard the term 'paypals'

      Is this something new?
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  • I should point out a correction -

    "evry flyah you stick to a tree with Ms JoosoCunn's seecrit condensed gloo formula"

    It wasn't originally condensed - you had to pay for a pint at a time.

    Later on it was condensed to save on shipping costs.


    Steve


    * Shipping - as in cart and horse.

    (after extensive testing sadly the gloo couldn't stick Flyers to trees - but fortunately Mss Cunn also had a brass nail side hussle)
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    • Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      I should point out a correction -

      "evry flyah you stick to a tree with Ms JoosoCunn's seecrit condensed gloo formula"

      It wasn't originally condensed - you had to pay for a pint at a time.

      Later on it was condensed to save on shipping costs.


      Steve


      * Shipping - as in cart and horse.

      (after extensive testing sadly the gloo couldn't stick Flyers to trees - but fortunately Mss Cunn also had a brass nail side hussle)
      For sure, the gal's effuse powah spoke to the firehose analogy.

      "Back in the day, I simply wiped the floor with it -- but when the Chemtech guys said straddle our hi tech equipment and just go for it babe a whole new world of sticko was born."

      Ima quotin' here from her first autobiography.

      Update is due in 2025, an' I believe it is entitled Anyone Got a Crowbar bcs I AM DONE NOW TYVM.

      My view?

      They stole her seecrit an' foistid a watered down product on the market.

      Hence the brass nail affiliate offah to gals wanna git ahead.

      "Glisten like Gold. Fight Back Like Wolverine. Hey, and While You're at It ... Get Me The Hell Outta This Chemtech Processing Plant."

      Same kinda thing happened with Cap'n Jim. P. Seemin an' his "The Fortifying Juice Drink With The Sporty Looking Glisten".

      Sum science guys said hey our tech can really pump up the powah of what you gaht in there.

      An' the rest is histry for anywan in the know.

      Tellya, the conspiracy theorists pushed back 30 miles from the regulah Roswell NO GO ZONE thinkin' the Noomy Latte finally birthed sum alien triplets ain't gaht no cloo what is gowin' on.

      Jim P. is gettin' milked to death out there, an' nowan cares.

      Fam an' friends been contacted by all kindsa inflooensahs an' grassroots types sayin' hey we can get Jim outta there, yanno, get word out.

      But mosta 'em said no way, leave him to rot in hell, the asshole.
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    I'm old, and you all must be young.

    Because...

    Back in the day when you had a long term "relationship" with someone you might never meet.

    It was called...

    Penpals.
    I'm old, too - and I remember those 'penpals' were usually in other countries - or in prison.
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  • She wasn't in prison, but my lovely lass penpal lived 100's of miles away.

    And might well be the reason why I eventually became a copywriter, I spent eons trying to "craft" my letters to her.

    When her letters arrived - just opening the envelope was XTX.


    Steve
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    Well, there is good news...

    you no longer need to write to someone hundreds of miles away.

    Now, you can wear a friend around your neck 24 hours a day.

    They'll send you text messages, and you can text back.

    And it only costs $99.00.

    How simple is it all becoming?
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    • Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Well, there is good news...

      you no longer need to write to someone hundreds of miles away.

      Now, you can wear a friend around your neck 24 hours a day.

      They'll send you text messages, and you can text back.

      And it only costs $99.00.

      How simple is it all becoming?
      "Every town has someone who will communicate with your ancestors for gin, sex -- or surgery."
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  • It's not an inherently bad idea, the main thing is making sure everyone works well together and trusts each other. I'm always game to collaborate with folks willing to take risks.
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