Why Be A Professional Copywriter?

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Re-reading some of Allen Says's stuff, it's really sinking into my head how important the study and practice of copywriting is, so...

I'm studying copywriting for my own projects, and I love the field.

But I'm curious...

Products are a dime a dozen. It's your skill that makes the cash register beep, isn't it?

Wouldn't it be more profitable for you good copywriters to sell your own stuff, rather than help others with good copy?

Do you just love the art and science of it, or just get a kick out of some marketer making money off of your skills?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
    Really good copywriters don't stay for-hire copywriters for long. They go write for their own products. That's why when you get a shot at working with someone you admire who's still for-hire, you should snap them up, even if the price tag gives you sticker shock.

    If they're good... they likely have plans to not be for-hire much longer.

    Get 'em while you can.

    --- Ross
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    • Profile picture of the author dorothydot
      Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

      Really good copywriters don't stay for-hire copywriters for long. They go write for their own products. That's why when you get a shot at working with someone you admire who's still for-hire, you should snap them up, even if the price tag gives you sticker shock.

      If they're good... they likely have plans to not be for-hire much longer.

      Get 'em while you can.

      --- Ross
      Hi,
      Uh, Ross - you may be right about a number of good copywriters, but...

      I am a copywriter because I LOVE to write; been writing all my life.

      I am a copywriter because I LOVE to help make someone else's life better, by using my talent for writing.

      The money is good - and needed.

      And I love writing copy! It's fun! And I love working with good clients! More fun!

      So for the above reasons, I am a copywriter (she says proudly) and I intend to STAY a copywriter, not get into marketing my own stuff.

      Just wanted to set things straight here...

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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

      Really good copywriters don't stay for-hire copywriters for long. They go write for their own products. That's why when you get a shot at working with someone you admire who's still for-hire, you should snap them up, even if the price tag gives you sticker shock.

      If they're good... they likely have plans to not be for-hire much longer.

      Get 'em while you can.

      --- Ross
      Part agree here.

      There are some good writers who do prefer to do their own stuff.

      Having said that, there are some who just prefer to write for others.

      Personally, I'd much rather write copy, and even articles and reports, for others.

      Once they're done, that's it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
        Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

        Part agree here.

        There are some good writers who do prefer to do their own stuff.

        Having said that, there are some who just prefer to write for others.

        Personally, I'd much rather write copy, and even articles and reports, for others.

        Once they're done, that's it.
        Yes, there's people like Dot and others who love client work and more power to them. I'm a fan of it myself.

        Not saying money is the be all and end all. Just making an observation that many talented writers I know are working on their own projects... info-businesses... in the hope of downgrading the importance of client work to their income.

        --- Ross
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        • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
          Originally Posted by Ross Bowring View Post

          Yes, there's people like Dot and others who love client work and more power to them. I'm a fan of it myself.

          Not saying money is the be all and end all. Just making an observation that many talented writers I know are working on their own projects... info-businesses... in the hope of downgrading the importance of client work to their income.

          --- Ross
          Yup. Absolutely.

          Although, to be honest, the reason I like client work is because once the job is done, that's it.

          I guess I'm just a lazy sod.

          I never used to be. Must be getting old.
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  • Profile picture of the author terryrayburn
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Why start an advertising agency? Why run a graphics company? Seems to me that if there's value in what you sell, it's a viable and honorable business.

    What's wrong with selling a service?
    Certainly not even implying that there's something wrong with it. Just curious about the inner motivation. Lighten up
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    • Profile picture of the author Keeslover
      In the last month, I've written catalog copy for an online boutique that sells high-end personal gifts, a brochure for a personal concierge service, another brochure for a house painter, a website for a travel company specializing in kids' trips, several blogs about marketing, and a press release for another travel company.

      Where else would I have such variety? I'd be bored writing for my own stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Why start an advertising agency? Why run a graphics company? Seems to me that if there's value in what you sell, it's a viable and honorable business.

    What's wrong with selling a service?
    I agree.

    Right now, it's a less stressful life for me. I owned and ran a massage therapy center for over 6 years. I'll admit to doing a 110 hours per week during that time... but there were plenty of times where I worked a lot more because of all of the business tasks that come with owning a brick and mortar business. Finding reliable people to outsource tasks to was... difficult. So I wound up having to do many things like payroll, staff training, marketing, etc myself.

    I'm not in a rush to get back to owning a business where I have to wear a ton of hats. These days, I get to spend as much time as I want with my wife and 2 kids. I still put in long days but it's far more enjoyable.

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

      I agree.

      Right now, it's a less stressful life for me. I owned and ran a massage therapy center for over 6 years. I'll admit to doing a 110 hours per week during that time... but there were plenty of times where I worked a lot more because of all of the business tasks that come with owning a brick and mortar business. Finding reliable people to outsource tasks to was... difficult. So I wound up having to do many things like payroll, staff training, marketing, etc myself.

      I'm not in a rush to get back to owning a business where I have to wear a ton of hats. These days, I get to spend as much time as I want with my wife and 2 kids. I still put in long days but it's far more enjoyable.

      Mike
      I'd agree with this.

      I prefer to write and get it over with.

      I know I don't need tons of cash. As long as I have enough to pay the bills, buy food and pay for my kids' education, I'm fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author dyadvisor
    Please do not post and tell the poster to lighten up. Is this how you get your kicks. If you do, there are a lot of people around here with some very big boots. Or are you trying to fit in someone's boots? It is hard to answer a not serious poster. All the posters above me have talent, determination, and integrity. Only part of that was learned by reading the book of someone you may idolize. If you are sincere, please prove it. Only 42 thanks for 407 posts is not something to brag about.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by terryrayburn View Post

    Products are a dime a dozen. It's your skill that makes the cash register beep, isn't it?
    No... it's the customer clicking the "buy" button that does that.

    Customer -> Copy -> Product

    Copy is a bridge between the customer and the product. There has to be a customer to read the copy, and there has to be a product on the other side of the purchase.

    Your ability to build a bridge has absolutely nothing to do with getting people onto the bridge, nor does it have anything to do with having a desirable destination on the other side.

    Some copywriters are not good at driving traffic (i.e. getting customers). Some are not good at developing products. (MOST are not good at writing sales copy for their own products.) Others simply are not interested in learning to do either of these things - much like a veterinarian may never learn to actually ride a horse, let alone own one, even though he's treated thousands of them and delivered hundreds of foals.

    And no matter how you slice it, a world-class copywriter almost certainly can't build a world-class product (unless it's about copywriting), nor can he drive world-class traffic (except to something about copywriting). He's better off getting other world-class people on his team than he is trying to do it all himself, unless his entire business is all about copywriting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Sheesh!

    What is it with some people?

    All I see in the OP's question is a desire to find out why some writers write for themselves and others write for others.

    What's wrong with that?

    There are some good replies, but others seem to have a stick up their backsides.

    Give it a rest. This is a forum for discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by terryrayburn View Post


    Products are a dime a dozen. It's your skill that makes the cash register beep, isn't it?

    Wouldn't it be more profitable for you good copywriters to sell your own stuff, rather than help others with good copy?

    Do you just love the art and science of it, or just get a kick out of some marketer making money off of your skills?
    Just MY personal opinion, if you don't know who Gary Halbert was, or who Ben Suarez is, then you really don't yet have a good enough education about "copywriting", OK? My OPINION.

    Sir Gary Halbert. Prince of Print. One of the greatest ever, copywriter that is. AND he too "sold his own products" as the OP suggested. HOWEVER, he quickly found out he was not a manager or a businessman. Even though he owned several businesses throughout his career, the only one he sustained for his lifetime was his COPYWRITING business.

    His "protege", Ben Suarez, turned out to be an excellent Copywriter too, perhaps surpassing Gary in terms of sales and also to be a businessman. A guy who sold his "own" products and built a sizeable business. With over 750 employees and doing 350 million a year in business, primarily from strong "copy" in his thousands of promotions over the years.

    So ONE answer to your question might be, some people just aren't suited to running a business. Some copywriters are much better at writing copy (and selling their services) than owning or managing (even as absentee owners) a business. Other copywriters might build a line of products and be content with being very small in the scheme of things, but very happy with their lifestyle.

    OTHERS, actually enjoy the corporate setting, where they have fellowship, co-workers, get well compensated have good benefits and like having a "job". Others like to become executives.

    So there are many reasons (as there are people) for choosing to either stay as a "pure" copywriter for hire, or for developing other skills and going in a different direction.

    I'll tell you this, however, that ALL the executives I've known in several good size marketing companies, either got their start or were forced to learn copywriting...it was and is considered the primary skill of operating a "remote direct marketing" business that sells products.

    gjabiz

    PS. Isn't it a great skill to build off of? No matter what direction you take yourself, once you have written copy that sells stuff, it gives you a pretty big boost of confidence about your abilities to "compete in the marketplace" and sustain your chosen lifestyle.
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  • I personally stay a copywriter because I love to write. It's the same reason I run two blogs, volunteer to moderate forums, write articles, and spend way too much time making lists. My hands feel good on the keyboard (or a pen.)

    I sell some products, but to be honest, I just find it hard to be passionate *enough* to make a long term commitment to a project like that. I'm passionate enough to write the copy, get the product out there, and evangelize for my own work - but when it comes time to do the un-fun parts, like customer service, shipping, finding affiliates, managing PPC campaigns... I find them boring and unfulfilling.

    That's probably why so many copywriters have at least half a dozen products - with salesletters - sitting on their hard drive, unsold. They enjoy the creation part, and the rest is just boring for them. I love sharing my knowledge of what works and what doesn't with others, but when it comes to doing it myself... I'd just rather be writing.

    But that's just me
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    This thread's got me thinking.

    I'm going to stop trying to increase my list.

    I'm going to set up a few valuable reports and leave them online for trickles of cash.

    And I'm just going to write copy.

    I have a decent employer who I write copy for and from whom I can literally make an excellent income.

    And, if I need the odd extra I can write some copy.

    In fact, income from two decent copywriting jobs would be more than enough to last me a year, even if I didn't have an employer to write for.

    So, that means I'm going to sell my blog and concentrate on those things.

    Yup, I'd say that's a plan.

    Anyone want to buy a blog?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by onealgrambal View Post

      There are plenty of copywriters out there willing to write your copy and take your money. But if you want professional results, don't settle for part-timers, moonlighters, and writers between jobs. Do you go to a "part-time" doctor? Would you hire a "moonlight" lawyer? Of course not. You want someone with the skill and attention your project deserves.
      I know of at least one copywriter who holds down a full-time job and writes copy part-time.

      He's a Dan Kennedy trained writer and his copy is fantastic.

      Gene Schwartz never worked on one copy for more than an hour a day. Even though he worked three hours a day (full-time?) he never worked all three on a single copy.

      I've also seen copy written by too many so-called copywriters who claim to be full-time, and I wonder exactly how much work they've done it. Or even if they really know how to write copy.

      So, when you make negative assumptions like this you could, in effect, impact people's careers.

      Not good.
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  • Profile picture of the author waywardsister
    Originally Posted by terryrayburn View Post

    Wouldn't it be more profitable for you good copywriters to sell your own stuff, rather than help others with good copy?

    Do you just love the art and science of it, or just get a kick out of some marketer making money off of your skills?
    I love writing. I love the challenge of having to get inside a service, a company, a product, and the head of the target market. Figuring out what makes my client different, truly different, than their competition, and then communicating that difference in the most compelling way.

    And then...I love walking away, and going on to something completely different and starting all over again!

    Copywriting hits most of my high points. I love to learn, communicate, start new things. I'm an improvisor in my spare time, so I also love making things up on the fly and creating something new from scratch. I also love to edit, and re-create things in a totally new, improved form.

    That said, I do my own promotions as well (affiliate stuff) and enjoy that too!

    Of course, what I REALLY love is working from home in my pj's with a cat on my lap.
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  • Profile picture of the author dyadvisor
    One of the best list of responders I have ever seen. You can not buy passion or creativity for writing, it is a talent you have.

    I do not need to spend $3,000 on learning programming. That is not my talent, like so many other areas. Right away I find someone who is talented there, before I mess everything up.

    Don't write just for the money, take your talent and keep consistently improving. Most writers are independent thinkers, and prefer to be so. Few are a jack of all trades or even many different copywriting areas.

    I am speaking about my personal limitations, as I happily and financially made my living despite them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by dannyadams View Post

      No one knows your product better than you do. If you know how to sell, YOU are the best person to write your copy.
      Unless you come across someone like Gene Schwartz. And there are few like that around.
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