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I need three sales pages for my success manual. Please send me sample of your work and price.

Thank you,

Sorry, I just figured this is copywriting and not sale copy writing...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by HappyLuke View Post

    I need three sales pages for my success manual. Please send me sample of your work and price.

    Thank you,
    Not the best way to go about asking for a copywriter in this sub-forum Luke.

    Read this thread... http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...wordsmith.html - it's a very good example how to ask for the services of a copywriter here on the Warrior Forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Originally Posted by HappyLuke View Post

    I need three sales pages for my success manual. Please send me sample of your work and price.

    Thank you,

    Sorry, I just figured this is copywriting and not sale copy writing...
    I'm not even sure what you mean by this.

    1) "Send me samples and prices" more often than not means you're price shopping. I don't know about the others here, but I get the feeling they're in the same boat with me - I don't chase price.

    2) What exactly are you seeing as a difference between copywriting and sales copywriting? "Copy" as written by a copywriter refers specifically to promotional, advertising, or sales material that we write in order to generate sales. I'm not seeing the distinction you are.

    3) I second Mark - you need a project scope (3 pages? How about a word count? If you're talking web pages, I have NO CLUE what you're expecting me to write when you say three pages.) and a budget. Copywriters deal in information, and frankly you haven't given any. Timeline? How much research you're turning over? Make sure to click on that link that Mark provided and READ it. Then maybe someone here can help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author HappyLuke
    Guys, sorry, I tried to delete it and couldn't... Will read the link post later tonight. Kind of glad you responded, because I didn't know you need a word count. That is interesting to know, and you need research from me? Something else I didn't know.

    Thanks for getting me on the right road.

    I'm looking for someone to write the words to put on a sales page. Yes, I meant 3 webpages, but I guess I'm not thinking like someone that gets paid to write...

    Again, I'll read the post and get back to you guys.
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    • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
      Originally Posted by HappyLuke View Post

      Guys, sorry, I tried to delete it and couldn't... Will read the link post later tonight. Kind of glad you responded, because I didn't know you need a word count. That is interesting to know, and you need research from me? Something else I didn't know.

      Thanks for getting me on the right road.

      I'm looking for someone to write the words to put on a sales page. Yes, I meant 3 webpages, but I guess I'm not thinking like someone that gets paid to write...

      Again, I'll read the post and get back to you guys.
      Luke, I get it. If you haven't worked with copywriters before, you may not know the level of detail we need in order to be able to quote you. But think of it this way - if I went to a tailor and said "I need someone to make me a dress. It needs to be red and I'm a size ______", the tailor would be just as confused as we are.

      There are so many other details to consider. What style? Which shade of red? Length of the hem? Sleeves or no sleeves? Fabric? Price range? Obviously if I went into this wanting a $20 dress and it's going to cost the tailor $100 to make it, there's a disconnect. It's not going to be worth it to the tailor to lose money to make my dress, ya know?

      It's the same with copywriting - TIME is what most people fail to consider. It takes a LOT of time to create great copy, even for websites. There's research, outlining, writing, keyword research for websites on top of subject matter research, editing, etc. All of this time spent on your project is time I could be spending working on personal projects or another client's project. So in order for me to feel like it's worth the time commitment, I need to know if we're on the same page budget/scope/subject wise.

      Make sense now?
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      • Profile picture of the author HappyLuke
        angiecloee,
        Yes, thank you for explaining and using the trip to the tailor as an example. My initial request was meant to be a start for someone to contact me and get more details about my project.

        My first thought was, “sales page long style, graphics, you know the kind almost everyone uses..." I wasn't super clear on the request, sorry again.

        I'm happy to report that several warriors have contacted me and we are discussing the details.

        I'm curious; you think instead of the above long examples/scolding, you guys could have already written my copy for me?

        Just kidding, its Friday and I've had a long week.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
          Originally Posted by HappyLuke View Post

          Just kidding, its Friday and I've had a long week.
          No.

          Luke...

          When you post ANYTHING on this forum, it's likely going to become an example.

          In this case, people, like you, need to learn how to become as transparent as possible in their requests for a copywriter (when posting for writing services.)

          The "I didn't know" jargon doesn't work.

          I'm happy you've manifested some quality leads from your post.

          But you can really make people's lives easier by always being as upfront as you can.

          For instance...

          I would NEVER respond to your ad, because you don't come across like an astute business man.

          Therefore, I have no interest in helping you.

          Are you a great person?

          I'm sure.

          And I'm not trying to put you down.

          However...

          Doing your due diligence to make sure you're bringing your best self to the table is essential to co-create a healthy, productive, prosperous relationship with a copywriter (with anyone.)

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        • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
          Originally Posted by HappyLuke View Post

          I'm curious; you think instead of the above long examples/scolding, you guys could have already written my copy for me?

          Just kidding, its Friday and I've had a long week.
          This strikes me as a very passive-aggressive way of striking back at people who are simply trying to help. To my knowledge, no one was scolding. I think that's pretty rude, even if you are "just kidding".
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    • Profile picture of the author Collette
      Here you go, Luke; just fill in the blanks:


      Greetings Warrior Copywriters! I am looking for a copywriter to help me with a project.

      I plan on selling my [PRODUCT] about [SUBJECT] using a [long copy sales letter/video script/combo video script and long copy sales letter/carrier pigeon message to the Outer Hebrides].

      The [PRODUCT] will be sold to my [existing list/cold traffic/targeted PPC traffic/affiliate network (like Clickbank)/alien zombies pausing by Planet Earth on their way back to their home planet].

      My launch date for [the PRODUCT] is [DATE]. I [have/do not have] background material for you to refer to.

      My budget for this project is [in THIS range].

      If this sounds like something that you are interested in, please shoot me an email with a couple of writing samples and your availability.

      I look forward to sorting through the thousands of eager responses from you!
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    Very confusing request
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Why are people so damned afraid to say what they are willing to pay for a project?
    Most people are afraid to give their budget because they have no clue what they want in return...

    ...and what that's worth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Jeffels
      Originally Posted by Reflection Marketing View Post

      Most people are afraid to give their budget because they have no clue what they want in return...

      ...and what that's worth.

      Very True.



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      • Profile picture of the author HappyLuke
        I always thank people that take time to visit my thread and respond. Life is not infinite I believe we should live each moment in happiness. I also believe that my success depends on other's people success and that is why I thank everyone, even if it is for 'constructive criticism'. I'm not sure why we are taught to say thank you at the end, and not the beginning???


        @Collette- I didn't give any details upfront because I only want to generate interest from people that were, well interested. I would then chat with the interested people off the forum via email. Which by the way, it did accomplish. I take for granted that not all sales copy is for a long style sales page, with all those graphics of graphs, testimonials, etc... Some of them really make me buy! Lol Plus, I was probably in a hurry to knock off another action items off my list so I posted quickly.



        I've been going at this project for some time now and lately I've been going into overtime, by waking up extra early to work on it and staying up late to do the same.


        I've taken everything I've been studying, learning over my life time, and started to shove, squeeze, articulate it into this success manual.



        I've purchased domain names, keywords in domain name. Keywords have high organic monthly searches and low competition. The matrix most IMs say to use. Etc., etc., etc. I have a plan I'm implementing.


        Going back to work now, everyone have a nice morning,
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  • Man, this forum!


    Jeez, it's like everyone's set to blow up! Jeez, let's throw some money together and grab a bag of marijuana and chill out!


    Im kidding about the drugs, but the principle remains. What's everyone so pent up about? I'd much rather have a laugh, have a good time and make some money while making others money!

    Not having a dig at anyone in particular, but had a cheeky look in the main discussion forum and it's the same there. Let's all chill, and enjoy ourselves instead of biting eachother's throats.


    So Luke, how's about you tell us your budget? And a little more about your project.



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  • Profile picture of the author HappyLuke
    Guys thanks. I've taken notes and I'm staying out of this forum for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    You have to realize that this particular forum pound for pound have the biggest egos of them all.
    They know it all and are not shy about telling you so.
    I understand where they are coming from and I respect them for telling it like it is, just saying that it can be kind of a shock if you havent come in here before. Thats all.

    I kinda set myself up for a literary assault,haha
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    • Profile picture of the author Collette
      My post wasn't scolding you, Luke. It was a template for you - and anyone else who makes a similar request - to use.

      While I appreciate that you might not want to reveal the exact details of your project until you have hired a copywriter, not giving ANY details, except the number of pages (and, as someone pointed out above, what kind of pages?) pretty much ensures that you will only be getting results from inexperienced copywriters.

      Even if a copywriter is a "generalist", every writer has strengths and weaknesses. If the nature of your project falls under a writer's "weaknesses", why waste her time and yours?

      Or, if the writer is going to have to spend 30 hours reading background material, vs 3 hours reading background material, that will also affect the quote you will receive from him. If it doesn't, the copywriter is an idiot. Do you want an idiot writing your copy?

      I presume you would rather work with a writer who can write well to your market and in your industry. However, if you fail to mention basic details, most writers with any kind of chops won't be spending their time contacting you to see if you just might happen to be a good fit.

      Ditto, for not giving a clue as to your budget. There are writers who are willing and able (for whatever reason) to write for a *ahem* modest sum. Others have financial considerations that require them to make $X/hr. When they write for less than that, they become a non-profit organization. Again, when you state your budget range, writers know whether your budget is a good fit for them. They won't waste your time, or theirs, contacting you about a project they can't, or won't, be interested in.

      ROI, my man. Think "ROI". You want it - and so do copywriters.

      Those of us who've been hoofing this particular city block for a while know that when a project request is very vague, the ROI is usually lower than whale poop on the bottom of Biscayne Bay.

      So, no reason to take umbrage. If a marketer wants a realistic quote, from a copywriter who knows what they're doing, and who can do justice to their project, then the marketer needs to cough up a few basic project details.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        It's bloomin' lovely to see you back on this forum again Collette.

        Missed you. A great deal.

        Your advice is always spot on.

        Kindest regards,


        Mark
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