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Hi Guys,

I'm a mobile app developer and my website needs some great copy writing to win some new clients. So far I have only written for my " Web Design & Ecommerce" service page leaving the rest a little blank.

I'm looking for somebody to

1. Improve my current copywriting across the site and elaborate it.
2. Write copy for the additional services which are

  • Mobile Applications
  • Motion Graphics & Video
  • Print Design
  • Illustration
the website is tastysnack (dot)co(dot)uk


we consider ourselves a fun collective of freelance designers and developers and you will probably sense that from the copy and content currently on the website.


I am looking to donate via paypal to the best results.


To get the gig just send me a sample for selling "Mobile Apps" from this I will pick who goes on and we can negotiate a nice donation.


Many Thanks


Luke
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

    I am looking to donate via paypal to the best results.


    To get the gig just send me a sample for selling "Mobile Apps" from this I will pick who goes on and we can negotiate a nice donation.


    Many Thanks


    Luke
    You blinkin' what Luke? Come again?

    Pardon but would you mind rephrasing this?

    A donation? Huh?


    Mark Andrews
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    • Profile picture of the author TastySnack
      yes i'll negotiate some money donated to yourself (or the person who does the work) I wouldn't like to call it payment because it is a thank you in the form of some money.
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      • Profile picture of the author RickCopy
        Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

        yes i'll negotiate some money donated to yourself (or the person who does the work) I wouldn't like to call it payment because it is a thank you in the form of some money.

        Just a heads up...if someone from here actually writes you a free sample I would highly suggest you not hire them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

          yes i'll negotiate some money donated to yourself (or the person who does the work) I wouldn't like to call it payment because it is a thank you in the form of some money.
          Somehow Luke...

          I don't think you're going to get much interest on this.

          Are you running a business or not?

          If the former is true, you know as well as I do a business thrives on profit. If you're not making a profit, you're not in business - simple.

          All of the top copywriters here charge for their services. We don't work on 'donations'. Either you can afford to use us or you can't.

          Which is it?

          What is your copywriting budget?


          Mark Andrews

          PS Here is a very good example of how to ask the copywriters here on this forum about their services...

          http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...wordsmith.html
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

        I wouldn't like to call it payment because it is a thank you in the form of some money.
        Call me an anal-retentive wordsmith, but a payment technically IS a thank you in the form of money. You are contracting me for a service. I use time, resources, and expertise to complete that service. You PAY ME. Them's the rules of business dude.

        As someone who's planning on running a design (and developer) place, you're one of the last people I'd expect to treat other creatives the way designers are often treated - like the work is somehow a throwaway because it's creative. Phrases like "donation" and "best results" are often tossed about by clients who have no intention of paying people for honest work.
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    • Profile picture of the author TastySnack
      Arghhhh , I'm sorry guys didn't think i'd get such a shout at . My experience with forums is members help each other out. I am a member of web design forums, voiceover forums and more and people gladly help each other out and it builds a great community and then gratitude is provided with a donation. If you want to call it payment then do so. And no i'm not running a business the website in question is a portfolio for mine and my friends work in desperation to land jobs.

      A sample doesn't nessasarilly have to be a write up of my stuff but maybe a similar example would be great. Let me know how much you would charge for the above now renamed " Work " over favour.

      Many Thanks

      Luke
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      • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
        Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

        My experience with forums is members help each other out. I am a member of web design forums, voiceover forums and more and people gladly help each other out and it builds a great community and then gratitude is provided with a donation.


        Luke
        No worries, but that's why you should get to know a new forum before asking for favors. They're not all the same. The copywriters here are sharing knowledge with one another and newbies, as well as the occasional business owner or entrepreneur that needs help. That doesn't mean we spend all day doing free work for others in hope of donations, even if that means the community aspect of it suffers. Getting to know how a forum operates is basic online etiquette. And now that you know that...

        I'd suggest putting that info you shared up front - you're building a portfolio to help you land jobs and/or freelancing work. The way it was phrased made it sound like you're a business owner, so you really need to be on one side of the fence or the other - you're either looking for full-time work, or you're looking for freelance gigs.

        You should share your budget, or let people know what you'd be willing to trade. There are plenty of people here who would probably work for a low-budget project, but you have to be willing to share that information. If you were developing an app for someone who was expecting to pay $100 when you were expecting to receive $1000, you have a problem. Don't be afraid to share your budget. If it's way off, the people here will let you know what to expect. If it's reasonable (even if small), someone will probably take it on.

        That said, be very careful who you select. Check their sites for samples (and run those samples through copyscape) and read their testimonials (though they'll likely only post the best). Be wary of taking the first person that offers to do the job for free or for very little. If it seems too good to be true, it is.

        Good luck with what you're doing. I remember how much I struggled when I first started out. The first time I made enough money to pay someone else to do administrative work for me, I was over the moon. I'm sure you'll be there too if you work hard at it.
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        • Profile picture of the author TastySnack
          If I say I have a budget of $150 what would I be able to get ?

          I am now going to be embarressed because you all want much more which is why i'd prefer to call it a donation for a friendly favour, Maybe I could throw in some of my skills in design to sweeten the deal ?

          Many Thanks

          Luke
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
            Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

            If I say I have a budget of $150 what would I be able to get ?

            I am now going to be embarressed because you all want much more which is why i'd prefer to call it a donation for a friendly favour, Maybe I could throw in some of my skills in design to sweeten the deal ?

            Many Thanks

            Luke
            Luke,

            $150 is probably not going to land you a high-quality copywriter. When you look at the amount of time most copywriters put into research, writing, editing, and finalizing a salesletter (it's typically 40 hours+ of work for me), then you can start to understand why most copywriters charge what they do.

            Here's my suggestion: Put up a Warriors For Hire ad for your design services. If memory serves me right, it will cost you $40 to do so.

            Take some of the monies you make doing the graphic design work for Warriors and use it to either pay for your own copywriting training (see the sticky on Recommended Copywriting Books) or to hire someone with stronger copywriting skills.

            Best of luck,

            Mike
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            • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
              Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

              Luke,

              $150 is probably not going to land you a high-quality copywriter. When you look at the amount of time most copywriters put into research, writing, editing, and finalizing a salesletter (it's typically 40 hours+ of work for me), then you can start to understand why most copywriters charge what they do.

              Here's my suggestion: Put up a Warriors For Hire ad for your design services. If memory serves me right, it will cost you $40 to do so.

              Take some of the monies you make doing the graphic design work for Warriors and use it to either pay for your own copywriting training (see the sticky on Recommended Copywriting Books) or to hire someone with stronger copywriting skills.

              Best of luck,

              Mike

              Head on over to the contest forum and offer a $150 prize. I expect you'll get plenty of takers.
              These two are the best replies I've seen to the OP.

              Heck, even usually Caustic Ken was a little subtle in his post. :p

              Was that on purpose, Ken, or did you accidentally do a nicey?

              Hate to destroy your carefully cultivated persona.

              I know the OP got it wrong, but there's ways of putting him right, and Mike and Ken have done a grand job of that.

              It smacks of arrogance when people come on and beat the crap out of someone for making a mistake.

              Especially when most people on here are nowhere near as good as they think are. (Yeh, I've seen the copy).

              Anyone insulted by that last sentence?

              If you don't like it, don't dish it out.
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          • Profile picture of the author schttrj
            Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

            If I say I have a budget of $150 what would I be able to get ?

            I am now going to be embarressed because you all want much more which is why i'd prefer to call it a donation for a friendly favour, Maybe I could throw in some of my skills in design to sweeten the deal ?

            Many Thanks

            Luke
            I understand where you are coming from.

            But here's one thing you must always know. Sincerity counts!

            If you want a favor from us, say that.

            If you want a business deal, say that.

            If you want something for free, say that.

            Trying to be clever doesn't really help. We, copywriters, are shrewd species, you know.

            And with $150 in your pocket, you might not any good copywriter here, but why not try in the freelance bidding sites? That might be of help I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Originally Posted by TastySnack View Post

        Arghhhh , I'm sorry guys didn't think i'd get such a shout at . My experience with forums is members help each other out. I am a member of web design forums, voiceover forums and more and people gladly help each other out and it builds a great community and then gratitude is provided with a donation. If you want to call it payment then do so. And no i'm not running a business the website in question is a portfolio for mine and my friends work in desperation to land jobs.

        A sample doesn't nessasarilly have to be a write up of my stuff but maybe a similar example would be great. Let me know how much you would charge for the above now renamed " Work " over favour.

        Many Thanks

        Luke
        Plenty of copywriters here help other people out continuously not that often their words are appreciated.

        First and foremost this is a business community. Everyone here is here to make money. Sure we don't mind helping others out, encouraging others etc but money talks as I'm sure you can appreciate Luke.

        And if you want high converting sales copy, you need to put up your investment. Because this is exactly what very good copywriting is... an investment in your business success and bottom line profits.

        You pay for a very good copywriter, they write the sales copy for you, you send the highly targeted traffic and it converts potential leads into hot rabid buyers. And everyone gets paid. It's a win-win situation all round.

        Free (or a donation) on the other hand only benefits one person, the individual receiving the help. And it devalues the most important and crucial element the skill which the pro copywriter can bring to the table.

        Hence why we can and do get a 'bit funny' when others expect us to do their work for them for free or as near as damn it.


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  • Profile picture of the author TastySnack
    Thanks for the ideas , I might well advertise and do run a competition

    Many thanks

    Luke
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  • Profile picture of the author ExSmoker
    I think TastySnack's intention was got wrong, and now he is learning the hard way this forum's rules. Well, TastySnack, your only fault was not to express your offer in a some way more kindly way. I was in the same situation when I asked to someone to help me to translate some text in some translators forum. The secret is to read quite a few posts before sending your own post.
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