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Looking For a Coach

by Ahmed Auf
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Hey there,

I've been online for quite sometime now and I want
to take my copywriting skills to the next level.

I've read a few books on copywriting but I have no real
experience with writing a good copy, I used to just put
together a short page, whenever I wanted to sell something.

However, now I want a coach to put me on the right track.

So if you offer coaching or know of any good coach please PM
me or email me at ahmed_auf10@hotmail.com

Thanks
#coach
  • Profile picture of the author Abo Yossi
    that is a good move from your side because the money always in the sales letter no matter what are you selling is
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  • Profile picture of the author verial
    If you already have the basic theory down, you don't need a coach.

    Here's what you do to get your copywriting skills off the ground:

    1) Find a product. Affiliate products are fine.
    2) Write two separate sales letters.
    3) Split test the sales letters.
    4) See which one wins.
    5) Revise the failed letter and re-run it.
    6) Repeat until you have a control you cannot beat.

    Now try to write the winning control the first time. If you can do that successfully and consistently, you have become a copywriter.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Originally Posted by verial View Post

      If you already have the basic theory down, you don't need a coach.

      Here's what you do to get your copywriting skills off the ground:

      1) Find a product. Affiliate products are fine.
      2) Write two separate sales letters.
      3) Split test the sales letters.
      4) See which one wins.
      5) Revise the failed letter and re-run it.
      6) Repeat until you have a control you cannot beat.

      Now try to write the winning control the first time. If you can do that successfully and consistently, you have become a copywriter.
      Sorry, I don't agree at all.

      The model you're describing means the OP will have to know how to drive traffic to those salesletters. Depending on the niche and his traffic generation abilities, it could take 3-12 months to get conclusive data on which salesletter is converting better.

      What if both salesletters are bombing? After weeks or months of testing, the OP is still back to square 1... except he may not know why neither salesletter is converting.

      What if the product the OP picked to promote is a dud? What if it's something that the market doesn't want to buy?

      Back to copywriting.

      Self-study works. I've spent years studying marketing and copywriting... I'm constantly honing my chops.

      Not everyone wants to take years to become highly skilled at something like copywriting (as a career or a skill).

      Top-notch copywriting coaching doesn't come cheap. But for students with the right attitude and work ethic, a coach can get them up to highly-paid professional copywriter skill level in 3-12 months.

      If I were starting all over today, then I'd be picking an experienced copywriting coach (with past/current students that I could talk to) to get me up to speed even faster.

      My 3 cents,

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Well said Mike! It needed to be stated. Spot on advice.

        How is everything with you anyway?

        What are you up to these days?

        Kindest regards,


        Mark Andrews
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by verial View Post

      If you already have the basic theory down, you don't need a coach.
      I agree with you.

      Nobody really needs a coach but if the OP is asking for one
      then he must need one.

      Some people are great on learning on their own, but this
      doesn't mean that it's the best approach. I've taught myself
      a ton of things--piano, HTML, CSS, electronic repair, computer
      servicing etc., but a teacher would have shorten my learning
      time because some things I discovered the hard way.

      When I got into internet marketing I had Terry Dean as a
      coach through is course and Netbreaktrhoughs board.
      That definitely made a difference.

      But for sure some people can make it on their own
      without personal help.

      -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Pick up a few books and learn the basics. Then apply what verial said.

    There is no better way to gain experience than by going out there and getting real results and finding out what works.

    There is no exact method that will produce positive results every time. If there was, most of these copywriters wouldn't be wasting their time offering coaching services. They would be writing million dollar copy and sitting pretty off their own work.

    Nobody has all the answers.

    I think coaching is only useful if you have no idea what copywriting is, but you want to learn the basics as quickly as possible.

    Coaching is like giving you a short cut threw elementary school and maybe middle school. But the only way you're going to graduate from the high school and college levels of copywriting is going out in the real world and seeing what your copy can do and start learning by trial and error.

    Coaching will only take you so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author debml
      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      Pick up a few books and learn the basics. Then apply what verial said.

      There is no better way to gain experience than by going out there and getting real results and finding out what works.

      There is no exact method that will produce positive results every time. If there was, most of these copywriters wouldn't be wasting their time offering coaching services. They would be writing million dollar copy and sitting pretty off their own work.

      Nobody has all the answers.

      I think coaching is only useful if you have no idea what copywriting is, but you want to learn the basics as quickly as possible.

      Coaching is like giving you a short cut threw elementary school and maybe middle school. But the only way you're going to graduate from the high school and college levels of copywriting is going out in the real world and seeing what your copy can do and start learning by trial and error.

      Coaching will only take you so far.
      While I agree with you that there is no substitute for doing, I completely disagree with your assertion copywriting coaching is only for copywriters who have no idea what copywriting is.

      In my opinion, copywriting mentoring is best used by those who have an understanding of the basics, as well as a fundamental understanding of sales, who want to take their writing abilities to the next level. Not grade-school to middle-school, but college graduate to masters degree.

      Admittedly, not all copywriting mentors possess these skills. But, you would be hard pressed to find someone who has studied with a master who would say their copywriting mentorship didn't help take their writing and their career to the next level.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
      Must be like being a great athlete. I mean if your good who needs a coach? Guys like Peyton Manning and Tiger Woods who pay extra for coaching are silly, just wasting time and money.

      Originally Posted by TheSalesBooster View Post

      Pick up a few books and learn the basics. Then apply what verial said.

      There is no better way to gain experience than by going out there and getting real results and finding out what works.

      There is no exact method that will produce positive results every time. If there was, most of these copywriters wouldn't be wasting their time offering coaching services. They would be writing million dollar copy and sitting pretty off their own work.

      Nobody has all the answers.

      I think coaching is only useful if you have no idea what copywriting is, but you want to learn the basics as quickly as possible.

      Coaching is like giving you a short cut threw elementary school and maybe middle school. But the only way you're going to graduate from the high school and college levels of copywriting is going out in the real world and seeing what your copy can do and start learning by trial and error.

      Coaching will only take you so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ahmed Auf
    Thanks everybody for the advice.

    What I've done so far is I read a few books on copywriting and salesmanship in print.

    I also began analyzing a lot of successful sales letters and I was told that most of them follow a template which I found out that it's true in most of them.

    However I made some swipe files from good sales letters and I'm putting together a sales letter template that I created from the sales letter I've read, I'll try to make it similar to them.

    Don't know if that is correct but I'll see if it works out.
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  • Profile picture of the author AftonDavies
    I really can see both sides of this one. Self Study is good, but so is working with a coach. An experienced coach can offer instant feedback on a marketing piece that may take some time to do split test of.

    But then again, many quality works have produced that teach copywriting. I think a lot depends on the person, how they like to work and learn and the time line that you have for creating your next project.

    No wrong answer for this one, it really comes down to you and your style.

    Good Luck,

    Afton Davies
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