by max5ty
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Been a while since I posted here...been pretty much enjoying the summer. Did a couple things with a couple of my old clients...other than that I've been chillin...traded my Bentley for a couple Range Rovers.

Thought I'd give you an update on where I thought the copywriting world stood today...

I think we're getting out of the era of the "work at home" copywriters, most of them have found out it's not as easy as they thought. The "gurus" have pretty much ran out of people to sell their "get rich" courses to.

It was an economy thing...the economy sucked and they knew they could play on the idea that there were desperate people looking for a way to survive. Everyone that was told they could write a good love letter was jumping on the bandwagon thinking they could be an overnight millionaire.

If you're still around...here's my advice...

The younger crowd...up through their 20 somethings:

They're only interested in their personal appearance and trying to fit in. Viral videos work wonders.

The only way to get their attention is through a multiple approach campaign.

The baby boomers:

Their main focus is on the fact that when they look in the mirror they're starting to look older. Health and beauty is what they're concerned about.

The seasoned buyers:

Those over about 60 are starting to worry more about their health.

Their floorboards are starting to creak and the nails are starting to come up.

Too many copywriters sit around and agonize for hours on writing their copy...

Here's my advice...

Short headlines...say what you're selling and shut up...

"Cure your back ache in 30 seconds"

Short copy.

I don't care what any so called expert says...short and to the point copy will always outsell long sales letters.

Long sales letters only stroke the ego of the copywriter.

Videos seem to be the craze today.

I won't watch a video that doesn't tell me how long it lasts.

I can always outsell a video with a good ad...testing has shown that an added video does little to increase sales.

Finally...

If someone tries to tell you how to do things and they're in their 60's and still trying to make a living...run...and if you can't run...sorry
#ramblings
  • Max,

    Good to see you.

    Now sit back and watch the furore your about to cause (lol)


    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Marcus, you sound more washed up than the people you describe.

    Fact is, whether you agree with me or not, it matters not which to me as a good old friend of yours your hard and fast opinions don't honestly count for too much.

    Point is, the number of people and their respective problems far outweighs any amount of saturation in the marketplace across all niches.

    There is still plenty of work available for all the freelance copywriters on the planet and then some. As for your comments inferring long copy is dead, I disagree. The more you can share with a person the benefits of a product the more inclined they'll be to make a purchase. Period.

    Yes, yes, yes, I know it's not your style of copy, you're essentially a retail copywriter coming up with catchy, eye grabbing exceedingly short copy for in store promotional signs for Abercrombie & Fitch amongst others. Long copy is not your forte or area of expertise.

    This is one of the things with getting older my friend and thinking you've got it made. You become set in your ways, grouchy even, unwilling to accept the marketplace is forever in a state of flux or change. Everything in this rapid ever changing world is evolving and it's our role as freelance copywriters to adapt to these changes or be left behind.

    As for selling your Bentley in exchange for a couple of Range Rovers, not being funny with you but all this comment is doing is stroking your own ego.

    You know me, I'll tell you exactly what I think. No BS. You always did advise me to write more emotionally. Well, you're no exception. Much as I like parts of your personality, other parts of you do come off at times rather condescendingly, like you're always looking down your nose at other people who might not be as well off as yourself.

    As I've told you before when you were dealing with your life partner issues back along, it's not the money which counts for everything Marcus, it's what is on the inside that counts the most.

    The question is, are you happy? And I mean... really happy? For if so, you wouldn't have worded your thread in this manner. And money, you know as well as I do it doesn't necessarily buy happiness in and of itself. Material possessions likewise.

    Forget the money or your material possessions for a second, ask yourself... in your heart of hearts, are you completely happy and 110% satisfied with the sum total of your life?

    I'd rather keep company any day of the week with a poor person full of inner wisdom and a cheerful outlook on life than a grouchy 'old bugger' who thinks he's got it made but cannot see the wood for the trees.

    Not posting this to have a dig at you or cause you offense Marcus, I'm posting this in response to what your own psychology is telling me by reading in between the lines of your comments.

    Smoking hot,


    Mark Andrews
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    • Profile picture of the author Sean Fry
      If you think about the ever shrinking attention span of people, there just might be something to the "long copy is dead" line of thinking.

      max5ty - Video sales letters are proven to outperform text based sales letters. This is a fact that a lot of old school copywriters aren't necessarily willing to accept.

      Having said that, I often wonder myself if 30 minute, 45 minute long video sales letters are really the way to go going forward. The entire concept of attempting to persuade and sell to prospects that you haven't built any kind of relationship with using all out salesmanship and every trick in the book is starting to feel very dated to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

      Marcus, you sound more washed up than the people you describe.
      What? How dare you? Lol...just kiddin...

      Glad you're still you Mark.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        What? How dare you? Lol...just kiddin...

        Glad you're still you Mark.
        Thank you. With a correction...

        I'm not still me Marcus. I'm transformed.

        I'm powerful in my energy and have very strong self belief in my abilities. Write simple far reaching words to connect with a target market - the self development niche is my niche. In the future, I will own this niche. This is my goal.

        I'm not a cheap copywriter. I strongly believe in my value. Value which I bring to the table in serving the needs of others. Compensation wise, financially my fees have shot up to 5 figures plus. I know I'm worth it.

        Gone are my old self limiting beliefs. I'm prepared for the future and I'm prepared to adapt in the moment reflexively to changes in the marketplace. I'm gunning to let rip my new found skills to the world. This energy was always within me but for too long I allowed it to remain in a comfort zone.

        I'm now raring to go, all cylinders are fired up, it's time to hit the pedal to the metal.

        I'll still tell you how it is. Sometimes straight talking, no BS but always with a twinkle in my eye, kindness in my heart and your ultimate interests in mind. I'll tell you just like it is.

        Now, you obviously need help. Do feel welcome therefore to contact me and I'll let you know my schedule and if you want it (which you know you do), I'll give you my fee schedule. Question is...

        Can you personally afford me? Only I might be, no offense, a little outside your budget these days.

        Top of the day to you Marcus.

        Smoking hot,


        Mark Andrews

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        • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
          [QUOTE=Mark Andrews;7141148]Thank you. With a correction...

          I'm not still me Marcus. I'm transformed.

          Compensation wise, financially my fees have shot up to 5 figures plus. I know I'm worth it.

          Smoking hot,


          Mark Andrews



          Good for you!

          Seriously, this truly is where the rubber meets the road

          And I'm so glad you've ditched the old beliefs about yourself as they are not serving you and would only have helped keep you stuck.

          I read a post not too long ago (can't remember for the life of me who wrote it...note to self: must start taking my fish oils more regularly!) which said that the greatest problems associated with making money are just two words:

          Comfort Zone

          People stay stuck because they don't want to leave their comfort zone. When you challenge yourself and stretch yourself and recognize and accept that being stuck is simply sabotaging your results, that's when the shifts happen.

          Once you acknowledge and accept your comfort zone and are willing to move beyond it, well, this is where you'll find wealth, happiness and prosperity in every area of your life.

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  • ...Max, surely you're not going to reinvent yourself and become a stroppy, bad tempered guru are you?

    There's no shortage of those.

    btw - good move selling the Bentley - Range Rovers are much better...


    Steve
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      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      btw - good move selling the Bentley - Range Rovers are much better...


      Steve
      Piffle. What a load of bunkum. Codswallop even.

      At least a Bentley tells you, you have some class, a Range Rover on the other hand is as common as muck.

      Oh whoopee doo, he now drives a couple of Chelsea tractors lol.

      You'd think for someone with as much class as Marcus, he'd buy something just a little bit more unique.

      Tell you what Max, trade them both in and get yourself a Bowler Wildcat, foot to the floor, high octane energy at your fingertips gripping the steering wheel for all you're worth. More fun than you can shake a stick at.

      2x Range Rovers? Oh my giddy aunt! Blimey! Next thing we know, he'll be eating fish n chips out of some soggy greasy old newspaper. Soon I might just have to lend him a pair of green Dunlop wellies.


      Smoking hot,


      Mark Andrews
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  • ...It seems VSL's are all the rage.

    But I hate being held prisoner for 30 - 45 mins. No pause, no stop, no fast forward button... as it rambles on and on (most do...with never ending unnecessarily repetition - "Yes! I get it, for the 7th time - now please get to the point").

    Just supposing I was keen on the product and I'm glued to the screen, it's been banging on for 25 minutes and suddenly my phone goes and I log off the site.

    Am I going to go back and listen again to the first 25 mins? Probably not.

    I always say to clients, by all means we'll do a VSL (without boring anyone - making strong compelling statement, emphasize them once more, and move on. And restate them again later but not 17 times).

    With the written text underneath.


    Steve
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  • @Mark - if I turn up to see a client in a Bentley, it doesn't matter how good I am, the client is going to think I charge way too much.

    If I turn up in a Range Rover the client thinks I'm cool.

    Mind you if I turn up with 2 Range Rovers the client will tell me to f*** off (lol).


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      @Mark - if I turn up to see a client in a Bentley, it doesn't matter how good I am, the client is going to think I charge way too much.

      If I turn up in a Range Rover the client thinks I'm cool.

      Mind you if I turn up with 2 Range Rovers the client will tell me to f*** off (lol).


      Steve
      Cool? Nahhh. The new shape Range Rovers look sh!t. The old original shape was much better. Mind you, I've never been a huge fan of them at all.

      Me? I much prefer the Landrover Defender 2.4TD SWB hardtop in British racing green. Go anywhere type of vehicle and easily accessible parts all over the globe...




      Much more practical.

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      Mark Andrews
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
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    Get a Jeep... they make better trail rigs and you don't look like a soccer mom!
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  • ...and 87% of all landrovers ever made are still running.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      ...and 87% of all landrovers ever made are still running.


      Steve
      A bit like you Steve at 87.

      You're doing well for an old codger.

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      Mark Andrews
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  • Yes, 87% of me is still running.

    All was well until some upstart invented the inter web. It drains my other 13% having to get an Ad read with 300 billion others.

    Fortunately, nothing will outdo the power, the response and the money from a splash of ink on bits of card. Yes, phenomenal Flyers rule!

    Sales letters are also great.

    I'm just not sure about these inter web sites and all the technical faff.

    There's no way I can be a copywriter and a computer programmer.

    Copywriting wins by a country mile.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Would that be a Cornish mile or a country mile?

      Pheromone flyers, you might be on to something there Steve.

      I know an old sow on a mates farm if you need some sweat, I'll package it up for you and send it to you in a little vial if you like? Hear it works wonders.

      You ever tried it? If so, what was the response like?

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      Mark Andrews
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  • ...if you are targeting ladies with Flyers - and drench the card in pheromones you wouldn't believe the massive increase in response...

    But do warn the client, the ladies all turn up personally at the offices.


    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Originally Posted by Steve The Copywriter View Post

      ...if you are targeting ladies with Flyers - and drench the card in pheromones you wouldn't believe the massive increase in response...


      Steve
      Then keep it zipped up where it belongs.

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      Mark Andrews
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert_Rand
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post


    I can always outsell a video with a good ad...testing has shown that an added video does little to increase sales.
    Have you ever heard of infomercials?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      Looks like I frightened him off for another 6 months.

      Smoking hot,


      Mark Andrews
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