Question about Profiling Donors

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Hey guys,

This is a question ONLY for the EXPERIENCED professional copywriters on the forum please...

My sister works for a charity and she mentioned that email open rates were poor so we got talking about subject lines and imparting value in newsletters etc to boost open rates...

She also voiced concerns about direct mail packages which went out to around 30,000 and response rates were average at best.

I suggested that they profile their ideal donor ..and her concern was that they don't have an ideal donor type as all ages and professions as well as homemakers donate to them.

So what I wanted to know is how would you suggest going about this? I understand that just focusing on the needs of the poor aren't enough and to get a strong enough emotional response, it also means understanding them and why they donate.

So how would you suggest to do this? Has anyone has any luck in this area at all? Should we focus purely on the recipients for the donations and is it enough to just work on the emotional aspects or is this something that really does need to have profiling measures in place?

One suggestion I made was to brainstorm what donors are wanting to know about the charity and what their concerns are regarding giving donations or becoming sponsors etc and then using those same words and phrases throughout their marketing.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated as this is very different to what I normally deal with...
#donors #profiling #question
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Would either of these links be any good to your sister Arfa? (Send her my regards too if you would be so kind).

    Overseas Charities

    A Few Good Donor Management Systems | Idealware

    Kindest regards,


    Mark Andrews
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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    Copwriting for charities has got to be emotional.

    If you can't make them cry, you won't make them buy.

    The problem with charities - and I've encountered this - is the same as other businesses...

    There are too many people working for them who feel they know everything.

    And no matter what you tell them, they don't care. This is mainly because the guys who work there are employees.

    And all they want to do is prove they know best.

    It's harsh, but it's the truth.

    If you, or your sister, can persuade them otherwise, you'd do well.

    It's all to do with emotion.

    Send me an email and we'll have a chat about this...

    During the day. I'm going to sleep.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      2 things come to mind Arfa,

      1 Go back to those that have already donated

      2 Read/re-read Influence and the chapter on Consistency.
      Since they have made a past donation,
      then they just need to nudge them on it.

      This can be done by showing just how much their donation has changed a life, or lives.

      And start off thanking for past contribution to another's life.

      It's too big of an ask to get non donors to donate.

      Just go with those that have in the past.

      Best,
      Ewen

      P.S. Have them create gift certificates the donors can buy and give.
      Gifts with a cause is being done more now.
      Gives them another reason to donate and in bigger numbers
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post

    One suggestion I made was to brainstorm what donors are wanting to know about the charity and what their concerns are regarding giving donations or becoming sponsors etc and then using those same words and phrases throughout their marketing.
    It's imperative to create complete transparency in how the money is used.

    Donors need to feel unconditionally confident that their money is going to generate as big of an impact as possible in The Cause you represent.

    If possible...

    Tie The Cause... and how you use the money together in your brand tagline.

    "Saving Africa's Schools - One Library at a Time"

    Then...

    Drive home your brand message in your About, Project and/or Cause pages.

    Also...

    I've found that dredging up the circumstances of your Cause simply isn't enough.

    Painting a picture of the helpless faces you're intending to help might make someone cry (or at least feel empathic,) but you need to tap in the ego-driven reasons why:

    1) I should believe my money won't just get lost in bureaucratic nonsense or corruption.

    2) Giving my money to your Cause will affect or change MY LIFE! Paint a picture that appeals to my need for attention, while revealing a deeper perspective into what happens (to me or my way of life) if this Cause continues failing to receive proper aid.

    This feedback may be off base - since I don't what The Cause is.

    In terms of getting more emails opened...

    I'll let someone else tackle that...

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidG
    Hey Arfa, the first thing that comes to mind is a survey.

    Maybe a small one to those who have already donated... check why they donated and what they'd like to see in order to keep funding.

    Maybe you guys already tried that, but it's a small thing that will surely help get a solid avatar or at least something to run by.
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    • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
      AWESOME responses guys - really very well appreciated.

      My sister works for the National Zakat Foundation which involves the 3rd pillar of Islam - giving a proportion of your wealth to the poor. To give you guys a background into this - zakat was the world's first social welfare system designed to alleviate poverty.

      What the National Zakat foundation does is give to those people living in the UK, because most households send their money to third world countries abroad, while largely ignoring the conditions of people in the UK.

      For example, last week my sister received a phone call from a woman who had been involved in a domestic abuse case and she was thrown out of her house. She spent the night at a bus shelter which apart from being dangerous, is extremely cold at this time of year. Within 24 hours, she was in emergency accommodation and receiving hot meals and help to find a place of her own.

      The thing is, Zakat is compulsory for all Muslims who have earnings over a certain amount, so right now their prime concern is educating households that you CAN and SHOULD give to local causes first.

      Mark, you raised an excellent point about funds being distributed without being tied up in admin costs - so I'm going to relay this back to my sister.

      Thanks so much everyone - this is very helpful, keep it coming!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
        Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post

        AWESOME responses guys - really very well appreciated.

        My sister works for the National Zakat Foundation which involves the 3rd pillar of Islam - giving a proportion of your wealth to the poor. To give you guys a background into this - zakat was the world's first social welfare system designed to alleviate poverty.

        What the National Zakat foundation does is give to those people living in the UK, because most households send their money to third world countries abroad, while largely ignoring the conditions of people in the UK.

        For example, last week my sister received a phone call from a woman who had been involved in a domestic abuse case and she was thrown out of her house. She spent the night at a bus shelter which apart from being dangerous, is extremely cold at this time of year. Within 24 hours, she was in emergency accommodation and receiving hot meals and help to find a place of her own.

        The thing is, Zakat is compulsory for all Muslims who have earnings over a certain amount, so right now their prime concern is educating households that you CAN and SHOULD give to local causes first.

        Mark, you raised an excellent point about funds being distributed without being tied up in admin costs - so I'm going to relay this back to my sister.

        Thanks so much everyone - this is very helpful, keep it coming!
        I'm wondering, this story you just told, do they tell them to the donors?

        They need to.

        Also, Mark's point about the costs: They really should put that on the website on a prominent place.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    arfasaira,

    Here is a link to a story, a true story. Start at the Aunt Margaret story.

    http://www.hopehomes.org/AuntMargaret.htm

    It is how one woman with a five dollar bill got the ball rolling on a project which today serves many people.

    Then, the rest of the story.

    My wife and I were the first Direct Care staff hired by Hope Homes, Inc. and we were the first house parents. I worked there for 8 years, my wife (ex) put in 27.

    In the early days there were 4 admins, and 2 staff. During the first couple of years we gave many speeches and presentations to groups to tell the story (and raise the funds).

    We were very effective with the development because we told our stories about the residents. Made them come alive. It wasn't very long into the thing we (me) started to develop some direct mail campaigns. The truth is, at that time, they didn't need a lot of help because TWO groups of churches had a dedicate Hope Homes day for giving.

    As we grew, and as our residents became a part of the community, the giving increased. At every turn, every new home proposal we were fought tooth and nail because the "ignorant" didn't want "them" living next door.

    Anyhow, to help your cause, quit thinking of them as "donors" and think of people.

    A Harvard "Baby Lab" is showing that goodness comes packaged with us (as does other innate concepts) and we want to help other people.

    Surely, you can find tons of examples and like others have said, SHOW them how their contribution did (or would) help and just tell them a true story.

    Good luck with your efforts.

    gjabiz


    Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post

    Hey guys,

    This is a question ONLY for the EXPERIENCED professional copywriters on the forum please...

    My sister works for a charity and she mentioned that email open rates were poor so we got talking about subject lines and imparting value in newsletters etc to boost open rates...

    She also voiced concerns about direct mail packages which went out to around 30,000 and response rates were average at best.

    I suggested that they profile their ideal donor ..and her concern was that they don't have an ideal donor type as all ages and professions as well as homemakers donate to them.

    So what I wanted to know is how would you suggest going about this? I understand that just focusing on the needs of the poor aren't enough and to get a strong enough emotional response, it also means understanding them and why they donate.

    So how would you suggest to do this? Has anyone has any luck in this area at all? Should we focus purely on the recipients for the donations and is it enough to just work on the emotional aspects or is this something that really does need to have profiling measures in place?

    One suggestion I made was to brainstorm what donors are wanting to know about the charity and what their concerns are regarding giving donations or becoming sponsors etc and then using those same words and phrases throughout their marketing.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated as this is very different to what I normally deal with...
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Arfa,

    In order to help them, you have to know what their current fundraising strategies are.

    Until you do, you're playing 'pin the tail on the donkey.'

    You have to know what resources are leveragable. For instance, how do they generate their current donations? What are their current fundraising metrics?

    8 key fundraising metrics - TheNonProfitTimes

    I'm not asking because I want to know here. I'm asking because if you want to help them, you have to take inventory of the fundraising assets they have in play. And then come up with either tactical or strategic solutions.

    In other words, poor email open rates and lackluster direct mail campaigns performance may be a SYMPTOM of something amiss and not a cause of poor fundraising results.

    This is a tricky distinction, but I hope you get it.

    - Rick Duris
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    • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
      Rick, Gordon,

      Awesome information as always

      Gordon - great point about seeing them as people and not donors and we have looked at other campaigns as well - at the moment the real struggle is the educating part - people would rather give to a third world country than give to people on their own doorstep as they perceive their needs to be greater. In the UK, we do have an excellent welfare system, but can take weeks to sort something out. If you're homeless and have kids with you, you can't afford to wait weeks.

      Rick - awesome points you raised which I will certainly be passing onto my sister and her team. At the moment, they are using a variety of fun ways to raise money. My sister organized 'Dinner under the British Concorde' with a guided tour of the legendary flying machine and in one hour raised £110,000 for a women's shelter in Manchester.

      They are currently doing a sponsored 5 mile walk through London with two checkpoints where they have to solve a clue as well - in other words they are trying to think outside the box and do something different.

      I completely understand what you mean about campaign performance being a symptom of something missing and will pass this on too.

      Thank you very much for your brilliant input
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  • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
    Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post

    I suggested that they profile their ideal donor ..and her concern was that they don't have an ideal donor type as all ages and professions as well as homemakers donate to them.
    You are right and she is right.

    However you are both right in different ways.

    She is right because she can say we have unemployed single mums who donate and we have accountants and lawyers who donate and we have millionaire business people who donate.

    But they don't donate the same amounts for the same reasons so this is why you are right too.

    Quick proof of this.

    NSPCC will use blanket flyers, door knocking and TV Ads to bring in the cake if you like.

    But this is not how they get the icing.

    They target companies, company bosses (gained from lists) sports people, wealthy people in the public eye eg Dragons on Dragons Den, and they pitch them differently for a much much bigger result.

    The sports person may be pitched to be the host of 'An evening with...' type event concluding with an auction.

    The small businesses will be pitched on attending 'An evening with...' for £150 per table of 6 which is exciting for staff of those businesses to attend (get it?)

    Wealthy individuals will be pitched on a place at Top Table etc etc

    And then the auction starts after the food is settled (thermostat usually turned up a notch ) and wine (not applicable to you)

    I am not saying do that but I am saying that most charities operate in this way.

    Segmentation does occur and the message delivered to each segment is different.

    Your message to divert these donations from 3rd World to UK is down to you. I can't help you with that.

    But is it the open rate you want or the result?

    Segmentation can increase the result even if open rates stay the same.

    You just need to understand the hot button behind each group.

    The Sainsbury Wing at The National Gallery

    The British Library with the names of doners carved for perpetuity in the walls. Bigger donation = bigger font (?)

    What is the womens refuge called? Name it after the biggest donor. That sort of thing. Charity should not be ego driven. One could argue that that defeats the object.

    But I can tell you that it matters not one jot whether it is non religious or religious or what that religion is, ego comes into it.

    You get the idea.

    Dan

    PS: Forgot to add my usual disclaimer on this forum. I am not a Copywriter, what do I know?
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  • ...I think I may be asked to do a charity campaign.

    Arfa, I'm so glad you asked your question, I too needed to know the answers.

    And thanks everyone for the replies.

    Immensely useful.


    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
    Useful insights Dan - certainly food for thought!

    My sister only approached businesses for the concorde dinner and we had a guest speaker, the main attraction was a guided tour of the concorde (which btw is TINY inside, I was truly shocked!) and an auction where they had things like Mohammed Ali's gloves for grabs, a famous tennis players racquet and several other items up for grabs...

    What was humbling was seeing people raise their hand to donate £10,000 at a time (3 people did that) without so much as flinching. I'd LOVE to be in that position one day!

    Back to the question at hand, there's some real gold on this thread so thank you to everyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author copyassassin
    Originally Posted by arfasaira View Post


    I suggested that they profile their ideal donor
    Arfa,

    Ask the accountant to print out a list of the top 10% of donors in terms of dollars. Another list with the next 10% in terms of dollars. And another list with the next 20%.


    Find the commonalities within each group. I promise you, they exist. Once you have the names, you can look them up via social media (youtube, facbebook, twitter, linkedin) and start coding patterns.

    I'd really focus on the "why". Why do they really donate: to remove shame and guilty in their life, because they believe in the cause, because of some deep internal pain they experienced a long time ago (rape victims for example) and they want to help those who have suffered like them, or is it because they want to inspire?

    If possible, and this world be very helping, interview your top tier donors and ask:
    • Personal Hero? Why?
    • Real life villain? Why?
    • Greatest enemy? Why?
    • Favorite book? Why?
    • Favorite movie? Why?

    Look for the theme's or issues that come up. You'll fine distinctly different patterns in each dollar group, as well as commonalities.

    Hammer in those pain points and make your organization the solution to their deepest issues.

    And this a really key: make the organization the solution to THEIR personal issue.

    For example, by donating $5 a month, one less woman will be raped on her way to get water that morning. That $5 is the difference between living in constant fear or being able to live without it.

    Did this help at all?

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    • Profile picture of the author arfasaira
      Adam,

      I like your suggestion about getting hold of the top donors and profiling them and in fact have just sent the link to this thread to my sister (who is furiously typing away right now opposite me on my dinner table!)

      She has already picked up some great ideas from here,

      One thing that is worth mentioning is that is that 'zakat' is actually compulsory - you have to pay it as long as you fulfil certain criteria (such as X amount of gold or silver in your possession, savings etc)

      So I'll give you my own example - each year I would take all my gold to the goldsmith and he would weight it, give me the value and would work out how much I had to pay (zakat is 2.5% of your wealth over a certain amount and can vary depending on the type of assets involved).

      I'd then give that amount to charity - always abroad until my sister started working with the charity and we found out that it's a duty to help people in your own local community first and foremost. Now what I do is split what I give - part to the foundation and part abroad.

      Because of the nature of the charity, it's proving to be a little trickier than we thought to profile, but certainly this is a great place to start, so thank you for that suggestion!
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