How Can I Earn $150/Day As A Copywriter?

61 replies
Hi Gentlemen,

I have to raise some money to continue with my Information Publishing Organization and something for Christmas. I'm hoping to earn $150/day for 1 month.

I'm not the best Copywriter in the World however I'm good enough to be able to charge for services. And, I'm willing to do _anything_ to raise that money. What would you suggest? A WSO? eLance? Something else?

Any advice you can give would be grand.

Thanks. : )

P.S.
I hope it's OK the post this here. If not, just let me know and I'll delete this thread.
#$150 or day #copywriter #earn
  • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
    Hi Jonathan,

    I think your best bet would be to contact publications that you can write about or a WSO.

    Elance is not the best way to go, the rates are so low over there.

    Do you have any niche areas you write about?

    Chris
    Signature

    Wealthcopywriter.com :)

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8689968].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Chriswrighto View Post

      Do you have any niche areas you write about?
      No. Not at the moment. : )

      ...
       
      What about looking through ClickBank.com and selecting sales letters that I _know_ I can increase the conversion for. Then improving them. And then contacting the owner to test the improved sales letter and PayPaling me $150 if I have increased the conversion.

      Would that work?
      Signature
      "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8690594].message }}
      • Like that will ever happen...

        never write without getting paid first.
        Signature
        "Peter Brennan is the real deal, In the first 12 hours we did $80k...and over $125k in the first week...if you want to be successful online, outsource your copywriting to Peter"
        Adam Linkenauger

        For 12 ways to sell more stuff to more people today...go to...www.peterbrennan.net
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8690688].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Max Anderson
          Originally Posted by Quality Copywriter View Post

          Like that will ever happen...

          never write without getting paid first.
          QFT

          If you want to write without getting paid in advance always have them sign some sort of contract, otherwise you will get scammed the sooner or later!
          Signature

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8691272].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Quality Copywriter View Post

          Like that will ever happen...

          never write without getting paid first.
          Thanks for the advice. : )

          What about if I did something similar:

          Search ClickBank.com and give people an improved headline for free and ask them if they would like to purchase a "Full Sales Letter Makeover" (for $150) that comes with a guarantee that I'll improve their conversion ratio. That way I'll get paid.
          Signature
          "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693203].message }}
  • As the festive season is approaching.

    Go to owner owned shops, stores, pubs and restaurants. Tell them you are a specialist advertising writer. And ask them if they are willing to make an irresistible offer for Christmas shoppers and revellers.

    Promote it on a postcard or a flyer and arrange the distribution to local homes.

    Or on the street near to the premises.

    Work on an agreed fee (plus a % of increased sales). Organise the entire campaign. Or just write the copy.

    Either way...

    You should easily earn your $150 a day.


    Steve
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8689972].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Max Anderson
      Offer your service to the right audience and you can ask any price... What is your right audience? Well, that question can only be anwsered by you.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8690475].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    $150 a day? Man you're selling yourself short. If you have the ability to potentially make someone a millionaire through your writing go far the stars.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8691438].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author djtrillian
      Originally Posted by Don Grace View Post

      $150 a day? Man you're selling yourself short. If you have the ability to potentially make someone a millionaire through your writing go far the stars.

      I'd be more than happy with $150 a day right now (assuming of course we're not talking about crazy hours every single day).

      In fact I only need about $134 per day on average based on 5 days a week and allowing about 6 weeks or so holiday time. :-)
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8698575].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Write 30 sales letters a day at fiverr.
    Thansk Ken. Any advice for making that a success?
    Signature
    "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693211].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Thansk Ken. Any advice for making that a success?
      Jonathan, while this would work, are you really considering writing that much for $5 each? Don't sell yourself short.
      Signature

      Wealthcopywriter.com :)

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693275].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Chriswrighto View Post

        Jonathan, while this would work, are you really considering writing that much for $5 each? Don't sell yourself short.
        Hi Chris,

        I thought he meant one sales letter / day at $150. (?) Would fiverr be any good for that?
        Signature
        "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693290].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Hi Chris,

          I thought he meant one sales letter / day at $150. (?) Would fiverr be any good for that?
          I'm afraid he meant 30 a day. 30 multiplied by a 'fiver' is $150.

          Fiverr is not a site for $150 jobs I'm afraid.

          Chris
          Signature

          Wealthcopywriter.com :)

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693340].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            OK. Thanks. : )
            Signature
            "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693360].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Tim R
              Why are you so focused on the $150 per day aspect? If you can improve conversions for Clickbank products you're going to have an easier time doing one rewrite a week for $1050 than doing one every day for $150, while still making the same amount of money.

              Alternatively, consider coming up with your own product and sales letter and you could make considerably more than that...

              Tim.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693964].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by Tim R View Post

                Why are you so focused on the $150 per day aspect? If you can improve conversions for Clickbank products you're going to have an easier time doing one rewrite a week for $1050 than doing one every day for $150, while still making the same amount of money.

                OK. Interesting.

                How would I bring that idea in action. As in, what steps would I have to take and what would I have to expect in following those steps? Should I just contact product owners and ask them if they're interested? How many would I expect to have to ask for a sale?

                P.S.
                I hope you don't mind me asking lots of questions. I'm new at all this. : )
                Signature
                "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8693990].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  OK. Interesting.

                  How would I bring that idea in action. As in, what steps would I have to take and what would I have to expect in following those steps? Should I just contact product owners and ask them if they're interested? How many would I expect to have to ask for a sale?

                  P.S.
                  I hope you don't mind me asking lots of questions. I'm new at all this. : )
                  By this I believe he means, find ClickBank members whose headline could do with a rewrite and pitch them a higher price. I would agree, you will get rejected more often, but it could turn out to be less work and more satisfying!

                  What you need to remember is that there are customers for every price bracket, you just have to find them!

                  Chris
                  Signature

                  Wealthcopywriter.com :)

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694081].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author John Emdat
            Originally Posted by Chriswrighto View Post

            I'm afraid he meant 30 a day. 30 multiplied by a 'fiver' is $150.

            Fiverr is not a site for $150 jobs I'm afraid.

            Chris
            Fiverr isn't, but there are alternatives like SEOClerks where you can (and I have) made $150 from a single order.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8712460].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    $150/day from copy-writing? Wow! All the best
    Merry Xmas.
    Signature

    Ricardo Furtado

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694085].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Ok, listen up, Jonathan. I did this last year and made about $35K in about 7 days.

    Here's the plan:

    You approach folks who have lists and people who have products, and you're engineering Black Friday and Cyber Monday promotions with them.

    The ones you do deals with, you treat each one as a mini-product launch.

    The way I did it last year, is for each campaign, I wrote between 3-10 emails (depending upon what I could get away with. The more the better.)

    Personally, I went for high ticket products between $3K and $15K. You cut the deal and you make a percentage.

    The keys to making this work were:

    1. A limited, time sensitive offer.

    2. A limited number of products offered.

    3. An interesting, demands-your-attention story thread that runs through the promotion.

    4. You start building anticipation for the promotion prior to Black Friday. The longer the anticipation, the better.

    5. You end the promotion with a bang on Monday night.

    6. The more emails the better. On Black Friday and Cyber Monday I sent 3 emails a day.

    The nice thing is you don't need killer copywriting skills. You don't even need a responsive list.

    Each campaign is thought out and pre-created, but allow for opportunities to present themselves--breaking news about Black Friday numbers, someone getting crushed at a Walmart, flash mobs, discussion of the hottest toys and gadgets, whatever. Weave that into the email sequence to make it newsworthy.

    Key: Make sure you have a GREAT once-in-a-year offer.

    I'm not telling you the markets I was in, because I don't want to limit your imagination. But think expensive stuff. Not $7 ebooks.

    Stay away from ClickBank or affiliate BS. Work with real people with lists. People with real products. Again, the lists do not have to be great.

    I did 3 of these promotions last year. But I coulda done 10. No upfront fee. Straight 10% of gross contingency paid immediately after the close of Cyber Monday.

    Good luck and get to work,

    - Rick Duris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694206].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      Ok, listen up, Jonathan. I did this last year and made about $35K in about 7 days.

      Here's the plan:

      You approach folks who have lists and people who have products, and you're engineering Black Friday and Cyber Monday promotions with them.

      The ones you do deals with, you treat each one as a mini-product launch.

      The way I did it last year, is for each campaign I wrote between 3-10 emails (depending upon what I could get away with. The more the better.)

      Personally, I went for high ticket products between $3K and $15K. You cut the deal and you make a percentage.

      The keys to making this work were:

      1. A limited, time sensitive offer.

      2. A limited number of products offered.

      3. An interesting, demands-your-attention story thread that runs through the promotion.

      4. You start building building anticipation for the promotion prior to Black Friday. The longer the anticipation, the better.

      5. You end the promotion with a bang on Monday night.

      6. The more emails the better. On Black Friday and Cyber Monday I sent 3 emails a day.

      The nice thing is you don't need killer copyrwiting skills. You don't even need a responsive list.

      Each campaign is thought out and pre-created, but allow for opportunities to present themselves--breaking news about Black Friday numbers, someone getting crushed at a Walmart, flash mobs, discussion of the hottest toys and gadgets, whatever. Weave that into the email sequence to make it newsworthy.

      Key: Make sure you have a GREAT once-in-a-year offer.

      Stay away from ClickBank or affiliate BS. Work with real people. People with real products. Again, the lists do not have to be great.

      I did 3 of these promotions last year. But I coulda done 10. No upfront fee. Straight 10% of gross contingency paid immediately after the close of Cyber Monday.

      Good luck and get to work,

      - Rick Duris
      I know a few top marketers who shit on the Warrior forum for no good reason.

      But seriously, where else can you ask a question and get quality of this advice... for free.

      Most masterminds you pay $10,000 or more to join... Rick just gave you free advice that could make anyone a ton of money.

      He didn't have to, but he did.

      And that leads me to my 2 cents.

      Back when I started online... I used to think "how can I make money, how can I earn $200 a day, etc...."

      That's good to do, when starting. After all, you can't hit a target you can't see.

      So, find out what you want to make per year... and work backwards. Divide that by 365 and get a rough idea what you need to make per day.

      But when you do that... you gotta change your mindset and shift it from "how do I make $150 a day" to "how can I immediately help as many people as possible get what they want"

      In other words, instead of focusing on what you want... try to think of fast, simple, easy ways to help others get what they want.

      This helped me get into a mindset where I started thinking of things I could do, immediately, to either launch products or services that would help others.

      AND in the process... make money for myself.

      So, turn it around and instead of asking yourself how you can make $150 a day, try to think of the fastest ways you can add value to others, in a large amount, so you're using leverage.

      Who knows, maybe it's a WSO with your very best marketing advice that other businesses can use to increase their conversions?

      Maybe it's contacting your local realtors or plumbers, or landscapers and telling them you have a proven marketing system they can use to get more clients.

      Maybe it's setting up a fitness marketing program, for other personal trainers to use for the new years rush.

      Honestly, when I concentrate on switching my mindset from "how do I make ____ amount per day... to "how can I help out the largest amount of people each day".... it helps me get ideas on how to reach those folks.

      If you're a marketer/copywriter... you have a unique skill that others would die for. The ability to turn thoughts and words into money.

      The possibilities really are endless, as unspecific and hokey as that may sound.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694287].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
        Originally Posted by shawnlebrun View Post

        I know a few top marketers who shit on the Warrior forum for no good reason.

        But seriously, where else can you ask a question and get quality of this advice... for free.

        Most masterminds you pay $10,000 or more to join... Rick just gave you free advice that could make anyone a ton of money.

        He didn't have to, but he did.
        Thanks, Shawn. If you think this advice is good Shawn, imagine if someone threw some money in my direction.

        But seriously, what I just laid out for Jonathan does work and will work if a decent copywriter has the ambition.

        Whoever else tries this, good luck and happy holidays.

        - Rick Duris

        PS: And if somebody has a tiger by the tail and wants to partner in laying out a campaign for a client, I'll split the commission with you. I'm serious. There's more than enough money to go around.

        PSS: You watch, this plan end up in one of Settle's newsletters. Or as a WSO.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694838].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Shazadi
          Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

          PS: And if somebody has a tiger by the tail and wants to partner in laying out a campaign for a client, I'll split the commission with you. I'm serious. There's more than enough money to go around.
          Hey Rick, would you mind if I asked you a few more questions? I understand if you don't want to go into this much further, but I'd appreciate whatever else you're willing to share.

          * How many people did you contact before getting a client?
          - I ask only to have a benchmark; i.e. if I contact 100 people and no one responds, then I know it's either my audience or my approach causing problems.

          * Did you have a preference in terms of physical or digital products?
          - This regards your payment policy. It seems if someone was buying a custom pool, for example, then they'd send a down payment instead of a bulk fee to the seller, so you wouldn't be able to get your 10% right away.

          * Where did you search for potential clients?
          - I know, Google was probably involved. But it seems individual product/store owners would be more receptive instead of corporations since there would be less red tape?

          Thanks for any extra info.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8698269].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
            Originally Posted by Shazadi View Post

            Hey Rick, would you mind if I asked you a few more questions? I understand if you don't want to go into this much further, but I'd appreciate whatever else you're willing to share.

            * How many people did you contact before getting a client?
            - I ask only to have a benchmark; i.e. if I contact 100 people and no one responds, then I know it's either my audience or my approach causing problems.
            I didn't reach out to very many. Somewhere between 5 and 10.

            Originally Posted by Shazadi View Post

            * Did you have a preference in terms of physical or digital products?
            Originally Posted by Shazadi View Post

            - This regards your payment policy. It seems if someone was buying a custom pool, for example, then they'd send a down payment instead of a bulk fee to the seller, so you wouldn't be able to get your 10% right away.
            I wanted situations where we could create irresistible one-time offers. Selling a $5K item for $3K. Or selling a $5K item and adding on $5K in one-time bonuses. There was no payment terms to deal with.

            Originally Posted by Shazadi View Post

            * Where did you search for potential clients?
            Originally Posted by Shazadi View Post

            - I know, Google was probably involved. But it seems individual product/store owners would be more receptive instead of corporations since there would be less red tape?
            I really wasn't hunting. I'd just see an opportunity out of the corner of my eye during my day-to-day work and reach out to the list owner via email.

            You definitely could get strategic and blitz list owners if you wanted.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8701219].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
              Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

              Write 30 sales letters a day at fiverr.
              I was going to point out that it'll be a lot less than 5 bucks, but Jason beat me to it.

              Either way, you COULD limit your $5 gigs to a small portion of your sales letter, like the first so many words, and then add extra gigs for headline, bullets, more words, et.

              Half kidding.

              =====

              And thanks, Rick, for your fabulous action plan for Black Friday etc. I'm going to re-read it and start looking for potential clients...
              Signature

              FREE Report: 5 Ways To Grow Your Affiliate Income

              Let Me Help You Sell: Sales Letters, Email Series, Pre-Sell Reports... PM me & we'll talk!
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8707220].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
                Originally Posted by wordwizard View Post

                I was going to point out that it'll be a lot less than 5 bucks, but Jason beat me to it.

                Either way, you COULD limit your $5 gigs to a small portion of your sales letter, like the first so many words, and then add extra gigs for headline, bullets, more words, et.

                Half kidding.

                =====

                And thanks, Rick, for your fabulous action plan for Black Friday etc. I'm going to re-read it and start looking for potential clients...
                Wordwizard, nothing against you; you said you were half-serious--but I can't believe fiverr is actually being talked about as a serious option. Who on earth would want to do all that? It takes just as much work to find ONE $5000 client as it does to find ONE $5 client. And 40+ $5 clients per day?? Are there even enough gigs out there to maintain that, assuming you could get all of them? You'd have to apply to what, 400 gigs to assure yourself the day's total...and then do all the work. There aren't enough hours in the day to do all that.

                If this is the best Warriors can do to find copywriting work, it's no wonder there's so much struggling in this forum.

                INSTEAD:

                Make a list of 20 companies you'd like to promote the products or services of. Things you truly believe in. You can take two days to get this list together.

                Call the main number. Say to the receptionist, "Hi, I'm not sure who I should speak with. Maybe you can help me." (short pause; they may say "Sure.") "I'm looking for the person who makes decisions about advertising and writing projects. But I don't know who that would be there..." (trail off)

                Wait. Say nothing.

                The gatekeeper will either send you through or, rarely, ask, "What's this about?" in which case you can answer, "I write advertising letters for companies that bring them sales." And then stop and say nothing again. Your call should be put through.

                Sometimes they will put you through so fast with this method that you won't know who you're being sent to. And sometimes it'll connect to voicemail.

                If a live human answers, you don't know if you got the right person or not. So after they answer, say, "Hi, (their name); I'm not sure we should be speaking." This is truthful and makes them lean into the call. Whatdya mean, we shouldn't be speaking?! "Reception transferred me to you. I'm looking for the person who's responsible for making decisions about advertising and writing projects. But I'm not sure if that's you..." (trail off)

                They will tell you Yes or No. If no, get transferred to the correct person.

                If you get voicemail:

                "Hi, (their name); this is (your name). I'm not sure we should be speaking. (Reception or the person who referred you) transferred me to you--I'm looking for the person who is responsible for deciding about advertising and writing projects. But I'm not sure if that's you. Can you please give me a call back and let me know if it IS you, or if there's someone else I should be speaking with? It's 00:00 here in (your location; time zone differences matter), and I'll be in my office until 00:00. My number is ###-###-####. Thanks!"

                If you ARE connected to the correct live person, or they call you back and ask, "So what's this about?":

                "I appreciate that. Well, I'm a copywriter and I write sales letters for companies that bring them a big bump in revenue. But I don't know if you have any projects on the go or upcoming like that..." (trail off)

                Now have a conversation. They will or they won't have projects now or upcoming. They will or they won't be open to outsourcing the writing. None of that is under your control. If they don't have a project or won't outsource, that is NOT rejection. That is Not A Fit. What you can control is YOU, calling up and finding out.

                Out of the 20, all you're looking for is one Yes. Price yourself accordingly. Get them to give you the numbers, and make sure you're solving a minimum $60,000 problem so you can charge $3000 without an issue. If you don't know how to do that, watch this:

                http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...uch-again.html

                New to the game? Watch this:

                http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...s-what-do.html

                If you go through this first list of 20 and nobody has any such projects, make another list. It should only take you 2 or 3 days to make those calls and have the 20 conversations. You may have to call people back whom you have gotten the names of but couldn't connect with. Just ask reception to connect you to them, and sound like you deserve it. Never, ever ask "How are you today?" because all that does is trumpet Here Comes A Salesperson. Over 2 weeks you should easily be able to talk to the right people at 40 companies.

                Yes, I just typed all this out: no copy and paste. That'll be $97 for the WSO I just gave you. Get to work.
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8708817].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author DanSharp
                  Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

                  If a live human answers, you don't know if you got the right person or not. So after they answer, say, "Hi, (their name); I'm not sure we should be speaking." This is truthful and makes them lean into the call. Whatdya mean, we shouldn't be speaking?! "Reception transferred me to you. I'm looking for the person who's responsible for making decisions about advertising and writing projects. But I'm not sure if that's you..." (trail off)
                  This is brilliant. A similar approach works wonders face-to-face too. Low-key, but builds curiosity.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8714341].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Amazing. Thanks Rick. : ) I'm going to start searching for possible partners. Thanks again.
      Signature
      "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694347].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      Here's the plan:

      You approach folks who have lists and people who have products...

      Bob Serling wrote a complete course about this approach, years ago. He calls it a "Toll-Gate."

      In fact, he once told a story about how he did a Toll-Gate with Clayton Makepeace.

      Interesting stuff.

      John
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694941].message }}
      • Originally Posted by Johnny12345 View Post

        Bob Serling wrote a complete course about this approach, years ago. He calls it a "Toll-Gate."

        In fact, he once told a story about how he did a Toll-Gate with Clayton Makepeace.

        Interesting stuff.

        John
        Ran into this piece that has lots of detail on how he does it.

        Profit Alchemy: Million Dollar Joint Ventures
        (note: link is to a sales page but has useful information. I have no connection.)

        Big Takeaway: He only works with successful products, never with mom-and-pops or startups.
        Signature
        Marketing is not a battle of products. It is a battle of perceptions.
        - Jack Trout
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8695542].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MallofStyle
    In a decent company, you would see copywriters getting paid anywhere between $50 - $110 per hour.
    You are asking for really less amount. The best way to do is go for a contract position with a large retail company. Amazon, Sears, Walgreens .. companies like that are good bets.
    Signature

    Thanks

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694289].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author neontiger
    Crowdsourcing services can get you 300$-4004 quick assuming that the competition isn't considerably high in certain sites offered. Otherwise, you can check fiverr. The prices are low to reach 150$/day in the time given but at least, it's the closest short-term success path you can take.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8694345].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author djtrillian
      Originally Posted by neontiger View Post

      Crowdsourcing services can get you 300$-4004 quick assuming that the competition isn't considerably high in certain sites offered.

      By 'crowdsourcing' do you mean sites like eLance and Odesk etc (outsourcing) ?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8698384].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Any guru who understands the leverage of lists has written about this. I've got programs in storage going back to the early 80's. As they say, nothing new under the sun.

    But--what's at play with this is the rather unique consumer psychology behind Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

    When you look it from THAT perspective, it's a short term window-of-opportunity just waiting for an ambitious copywriter to take advantage.

    Just gotta put out a few feelers and see what turns up.

    - Rick Duris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8695046].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      But--what's at play with this is the rather unique consumer psychology behind Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

      Well, yes. It can be a good strategy, but it's certainly not a new idea.

      Obviously, if you're approaching consumers -- as opposed to doing B2B marketing -- Halloween, Thanksgiving/Black Friday, Christmas, New Years (Clearance), Valentine's Day, and other holidays all represent BIG opportunities.

      That said, the idea of doing Toll-Gates is a good one.

      John
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8695255].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      Any guru who understands the leverage of lists has written about this.
      Stop giving away the pootie Rick.

      Great stuff in your above post.

      And Jonathon.

      I've seen your stuff on here.

      You're selling yourself WAY too short. Like Danny Devito short.

      Stop it.

      At the very, very least, write yourself a WSO and offer your services to people YOU really want to work with.

      I did a $497 WSO a couple months ago and I did an upsell that created a $10,000 client. Yes, I took someone from a $497 price point ALL THE WAY to $10,000. And we're still working together.

      Put yourself out there. You'll love what happens when you do.

      Mark
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8695913].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    I think you just outlined the newest WSO there Rick!

    Great advice though, running list promotions for clients can be very lucrative because they don't know how to treat their list so with a little strategy you can bring more than your fair share of cash from someone elses list
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8699627].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    Hi Gentlemen,

    I have to raise some money to continue with my Information Publishing Organization and something for Christmas. I'm hoping to earn $150/day for 1 month.

    I'm not the best Copywriter in the World however I'm good enough to be able to charge for services. And, I'm willing to do _anything_ to raise that money. What would you suggest? A WSO? eLance? Something else?

    Any advice you can give would be grand.

    Thanks. : )

    P.S.
    I hope it's OK the post this here. If not, just let me know and I'll delete this thread.
    Simple. Solve a problem the size of $1500+ per day.

    Or total it all together, you want $4500 for the month; solve a $100,000+ problem and you've got your cash.

    Starting to think like a good marketer now? Where can you find such opportunities? Not in Bargain Basement Central. But really, these are not huge numbers, either. Start thinking...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8700598].message }}
  • Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Write 30 sales letters a day at fiverr.
    Truer words have never been spoken
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8700628].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by The Copy Warriors View Post

      Truer words have never been spoken
      I hope you're not serious.

      AND the fiverr contractor only keeps $4 of the $5, and pays taxes on that...so it'd be many more than 30.

      Who can write 30 letters a day?? 30 EFFECTIVE letters?

      Not to mention the effort in getting 40-odd clients every day.

      Talk about dilution of client, contractor and product quality.

      **

      A, you know, somewhat better idea:

      Budget 2 weeks for finding just TWO great-fit clients for projects paying you $5000, heck even $3000 apiece. Get 50% up front. Now you are totally covered. Spend the next two weeks writing and fulfilling. Get the rest on completion.

      Better quality clients, better quality work, better quality outcome.

      Who the heck is ever going to use fiverr clients as references??
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8700642].message }}
  • For anyone needing money urgently, you could consider Crowdfunding.
    It is a process where you let people know the reason you are wanting to raise money (this can be for almost anything that you want to raise money for) and if someone wants to support your cause they can contribute towards that cause.

    Here are a few good sites:
    Raise Money for YOU! Crowdfunding & Online Fundraising Websites!
    crowdfunding.com/
    IndieGogo.com‎

    All the best!
    Signature
    Dallas Niche Specific PR 4 Links:
    Contact : vibrantriches8@gmail.com Subject Line: Link Service
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8714312].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Fenice Leonhart
    I really don't think you can make $150/day from copywriting alone.

    If you are really good at writing, why don't you build your own websites like other IM in this forum?

    Or you may write an ebook on how to write an article/press release etc, and sell it on amazon or some other online publisher platforms.

    Don't try elance or freelancer, the rate is cheaper than a cup of coffee sometimes, hah.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8719488].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Fenice Leonhart View Post

      I really don't think you can make $150/day from copywriting alone.

      If you are really good at writing, why don't you build your own websites like other IM in this forum?

      Or you may write an ebook on how to write an article/press release etc, and sell it on amazon or some other online publisher platforms.

      Don't try elance or freelancer, the rate is cheaper than a cup of coffee sometimes, hah.


      You don't think you can make $150 a day from copywriting alone.

      For a heavily discounted project, like a letter for a friendly acquaintance on a low budget, I make $100 an HOUR.

      Play for peanuts, get peanuts.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8719933].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Fenice Leonhart View Post

      If you are really good at writing, why don't you build your own websites like other IM in this forum?
      Well, I am. : )

      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      I have to raise some money to continue with my Information Publishing Organization [Including ebooks] ...
      Signature
      "Each problem has hidden in it an opportunity so powerful that it literally dwarfs the problem. The greatest success stories were created by people who recognized a problem and turned it into an opportunity."―Joseph Sugarman
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8720964].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I am not a copywriter, I'm a marketer. Occasionally, I write sales letters, ads.

      I've asked for and received $375 to write an ad that took the best part of 1 hour to complete.

      I've asked for and received $600 to write a homepage content... Took me 40 minutes.

      I've asked for and received $500 to meet with a guy and go over a sales letter he had and tell him what I'd do to improve it... Spent 1 hour and 15 minutes with him (told him I'd spend 1 hour).

      If I were a copywriter, spent a lot of time tweaking to increase conversions by a bit more, I bet I could get a lot more.

      The point I'm making: you need to know who/where to ask and ask with confidence... Then deliver whatever results you promised... The homepage, I promised it would convert at least 2 times better than what they had or their money back. (Easy promise to make and fulfill as what they had was crap.)


      Originally Posted by Fenice Leonhart View Post

      I really don't think you can make $150/day from copywriting alone.

      If you are really good at writing, why don't you build your own websites like other IM in this forum?

      Or you may write an ebook on how to write an article/press release etc, and sell it on amazon or some other online publisher platforms.

      Don't try elance or freelancer, the rate is cheaper than a cup of coffee sometimes, hah.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10417062].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    For those of you who took my advice, here's a wonderful little piece of trivia to jump start your campaigns:

    "LINGO: With the starting gun for holiday sales encroaching ever deeper into turkey-dinner territory, Thanksgiving is now known to retailers as "Black Thursday."" - Mike Allen's Newsletter

    - Rick Duris
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8738828].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JulianC
    Sorry to revive an ancient thread...

    But I thought the idea Rick shared was so genius that it warranted a bump!

    Anybody doing this...this Black Friday?

    I'm approaching some online stores this weekend. I thought we all might share some tips here to make this a success.

    Cheers,

    Julian
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10389269].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JulianC
    Everybody's being mum as a mouse.

    Come on guys...I can't be the only one doing this!

    Let's get a round-table discussing going. You needn't share your niche...I'm just curious about the strategy and implementation.

    How many stores are you all approaching before getting a bite (on average)?

    And a question specifically for Rick Durris:

    You said you didn't have to deal with payment terms. But with items in the $3-15K range, A LOT (if not most) are going to be sold on credit or via a payment plan. So I'm kind of curious how you get paid immediately after Cyber Monday, when the company you've promoted for only has an account receivable?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10390901].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by JulianC View Post

      You said you didn't have to deal with payment terms. But with items in the $3-15K range, A LOT (if not most) are going to be sold on credit or via a payment plan. So I'm kind of curious how you get paid immediately after Cyber Monday, when the company you've promoted for only has an account receivable?
      Companies selling in this price range typically should have cash flow to work with. They're not wannabe IMers with $50 in outsourcing budget per month.

      Anyways, pretty sure what he was saying was that he gives his terms and he gets paid, period. It's up to the client to figure out how.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10412184].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Sorry to revive an ancient thread...

        But I thought the idea Rick shared was so genius that it warranted a bump!
        It was shared 2 years ago. Bumping old threads is not good forum practice but seems to be happening a LOT lately.

        Learning from old threads is a good idea - trying to revive them is not.
        Signature
        Every child needs a pet because every family needs an optimist

        Saving one dog will not save the world....but will forever change the world for one dog.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10412211].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author JulianC
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          It was shared 2 years ago. Bumping old threads is not good forum practice but seems to be happening a LOT lately.

          Learning from old threads is a good idea - trying to revive them is not.

          Well, I sincerely apologize for breaking forum etiquette mi' lady...

          But nothing has much changed in 2 years. The question is equally valid today, and Rick's idea was for a Black Friday campaign - so it seemed pointless start another thread.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10412556].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
            Originally Posted by JulianC View Post

            Well, I sincerely apologize for breaking forum etiquette mi' lady...

            But nothing has much changed in 2 years. The question is equally valid today, and Rick's idea was for a Black Friday campaign - so it seemed pointless start another thread.
            I agree totally......... The "age" of the thread has nothing to do with it...... As you aptly pointed out, not much has changed....

            I'd MUCH rather have one thread on a topic than fifty.... like we see here all too often. These numerous threads make the forum disorganized.... and makes it much more difficult to find information.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10417535].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author BenPoggemiller
              So the question remains, did anyone find success with this method? I'm trying it for Boxing Day up here in Canada, but my main problem is finding suitable businesses with lists. I know this sounds like a simple problem, but I'm having trouble brainstorming people to contact.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10430250].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MrSDPromo
    I love this idea! Thanks Rick and Jason
    Signature
    Jake Widmer
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10392324].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JulianC
    So did anyone end up doing this?

    On my end...it was a wash.

    Didn't land a single client despite sending out well over 100 cold emails.

    To say I'm a bit bummed would be an understatement. But I'm not putting my hat up yet!

    I'm going to follow-up those emails with some phone calls...

    Somehow...someway...a successful copywriter will I be.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10411329].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tahoecale
    There are many ways that you could make this happen. Many good ideas have already been shared here. You just need to find which methods work best for you. Here are just a few of my suggestions for you.
    Post your services on Fivver. Add other options to make more money.
    Post your services on FreeLancer.
    Post your services on this forum, post on other forums.
    In posting on all of these different types of sites you will get lots of inquiries. Talk to these potential buyers, make sure you guys are on the same page. You should sample writings to show the buyer. You want every to be clear on what they will be receiving. If the buyer won't pay in advance, make sure that you have them sign some sort of contract or agreement so as you will not get scammed or any other issues.

    I hope this helps you out a bit. Good Luck to You and Happy Holidays.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10411428].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author JulianC
      Originally Posted by tahoecale View Post

      There are many ways that you could make this happen. Many good ideas have already been shared here. You just need to find which methods work best for you. Here are just a few of my suggestions for you.
      Post your services on Fivver. Add other options to make more money.
      Post your services on FreeLancer.
      Post your services on this forum, post on other forums.
      In posting on all of these different types of sites you will get lots of inquiries. Talk to these potential buyers, make sure you guys are on the same page. You should sample writings to show the buyer. You want every to be clear on what they will be receiving. If the buyer won't pay in advance, make sure that you have them sign some sort of contract or agreement so as you will not get scammed or any other issues.

      I hope this helps you out a bit. Good Luck to You and Happy Holidays.
      That has zero to do with the idea Rick posted (or making $150 a day as a copywriter for that matter).

      Fiverr? Freelancer?

      I'd rather flip burgers than deal with the guys who post jobs on those sites.

      For the record - I've done quite a lot of of copywriting/email marketing gigs on Elance/Upwork. It's just low pay - and the clients are a pain to put it mildly.

      I'm hoping to get some real gigs - where I get a cut of the sales. You don't find those opps. on freelance sites...or at least I haven't anyways.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10411532].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author automkt
    Hello,

    I am looking for a copywriter, is there anybody that can help me? if someone with proven experience is interested please skype me @ automkt
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10416910].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author @tjr
      Originally Posted by automkt View Post

      Hello,

      I am looking for a copywriter, is there anybody that can help me? if someone with proven experience is interested please skype me @ automkt
      How's your inbox holding up?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10416994].message }}

Trending Topics