Is copywriting intimidating to you??? Here's the solution (for me at least...)

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There are so many different programs, strategies, techniques, styles, trainings, etc when it comes to copywriting that the very idea of learning it can be intimidating, to say the least.

I recently had an epiphany that has helped me in my approach to writing copy and it's something that you are probably already aware of, but just in case you're not, here it is:

Copywriting is selling (in the written form).

You see, I know that I'm a good saleman, but up until now, I've been unsure about my copywriting ability...

Fortunately, with my new epiphany, I can approach writing copy in the same way that I approach creating a verbal sales presentation/conversation...

Which means, I don't need to be a serious student of copywriting before actually putting together a piece of copy, because I've already got the skills to sell in the real world. I'll just transfer those skills over to paper immediately and see how it converts.

If you're stuck on the idea of whether or not you are a good copywriter, or if you're thinking that you should spend months learning to write copy before creating a marketing piece, then I'd like to make a suggestion: Get a job selling something. Force yourself into a sales situation so that you can start practicing copywriting in the verbal form... Eventually those skills will be transfer over to the written form.

Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
    Originally Posted by Marketing Strategist View Post


    You see, I know that I'm a good saleman, but up until now, I've been unsure about my copywriting ability...

    Fortunately, with my new epiphany, I can approach writing copy in the same way that I approach creating a verbal sales presentation/conversation...

    Which means, I don't need to be a serious student of copywriting before actually putting together a piece of copy, because I've already got the skills to sell in the real world. I'll just transfer those skills over to paper immediately and see how it converts..
    I wouldn't call that an epiphany... I'd call it a moment of cluelessness.

    Sadly, you're in for a rude awakening.

    Alex
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    • Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

      I wouldn't call that an epiphany... I'd call it a moment of cluelessness.

      Sadly, you're in for a rude awakening.

      Alex
      Here's what John Carlton says about my "moment of cluelessness":

      ["It doesn’t matter if you’re a veteran entrepreneur, an overwhelmed or confused business owner, or a budding rookie eager to devour every possible shortcut…

      … the quickest way to transform your business (and your life) is to master the art of selling.

      But salesmanship is not taught in school. The “average Joe” couldn’t sell a life preserver to a drowning man. And it’s a crying shame.

      That’s why John Carlton created “Kick-Ass Copywriting Secrets of a Marketing Rebel”
      .]"

      John thinks there is a connection between copywriting and selling, but then again, he's not a very well known copywriter, is he?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
        Originally Posted by Marketing Strategist View Post

        Here's what John Carlton says about my "moment of cluelessness":

        ["It doesn’t matter if you’re a veteran entrepreneur, an overwhelmed or confused business owner, or a budding rookie eager to devour every possible shortcut…

        … the quickest way to transform your business (and your life) is to master the art of selling.

        But salesmanship is not taught in school. The “average Joe” couldn’t sell a life preserver to a drowning man. And it’s a crying shame.

        That’s why John Carlton created “Kick-Ass Copywriting Secrets of a Marketing Rebel”
        .]"

        John thinks there is a connection between copywriting and selling, but then again, he's not a very well known copywriter, is he?
        The fact is, selling via the written page and selling face-to-face require significantly different skill sets.

        And the others on this thread who are encouraging you to persist in your delusion aren't doing you any favors.

        Alex
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        • Originally Posted by Alex Cohen View Post

          The fact is, selling via the written page and selling face-to-face require significantly different skill sets.
          Alex
          Thanks for that. Will you recommend a resource that I can study? Preferably the best. I don't mind spending money.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
            Originally Posted by Marketing Strategist View Post

            Thanks for that. Will you recommend a resource that I can study? Preferably the best. I don't mind spending money.
            Yes.

            You have several options:

            1. Free articles and blog posts. This method doesn't present the material in a logical manner, so I don't recommend it.

            2. E-books. Best two e-books I've seen are Randy Gage's, "How To Become a Copywriting Stud" and Bob Serling's, "Power Copywriting For The Internet".

            3. Courses. Clayton Makepeace's course, "Quick-Start Copywriting System" is good. (I don't believe it's for sale any longer, so you'd have to find a used copy for sale.)

            4. Mentor. The best way to learn in my opinion.

            Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author TheResourcefulCEO
    Yes, copywriting is difficult for me. So many people I approach tell me how they can coach me to be a good copywriter. I don't want to be coached. I want to hire someone to do it. I want to build a business, not just sell a bunch of products so I need to focus on building my strengths and relying on others to fill in my weaknesses. I will say, I think it's important to understand what good copy looks like. I know I've had others write for my company or companies I've worked for and have seen how they took my boring content and made it come alive.

    So I'm looking for recommendations and referrals to people and companies that write great copy, and can point to proof, not just tell me they're good. Those with samples or websites they can point to.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Learning Copywriting is a never ending journey.

    Sure, you don't need to be a serious student of anything, but if you want to grow you always need to be studying.

    Never stop learning!
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  • Profile picture of the author colmodwyer
    I think, if you want to be a copywriter you need to study copywriting.

    Sales experience surely helps, but if you don't have any I wouldn't recommend getting some to become a better copywriter. Seems like a waste of time to me.

    Instead, I would recommend reading a ton of copywriting books and writing a ton of copy.

    Though, it's awesome what you're now doing is working for you. That's the ultimate "secret..." do whatever makes you kick ass!

    Colm
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Originally Posted by colmodwyer View Post

      Instead, I would recommend reading a ton of copywriting books and writing a ton of copy.

      Though, it's awesome what you're now doing is working for you. That's the ultimate "secret..." do whatever makes you kick ass!

      Colm
      There's nothing in the original post saying his "epiphany" is working for him.

      He said, "I'll just transfer those skills over to paper immediately and see how it converts.". That's an in-the-future statement.

      His "epiphany" is unproven.

      Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author ppcmanager
    Nothing beats "Real World Experience".

    I think this could be useful for people who have a habit of getting stuck in preparation/getting ready stage, or the Paralysis of Analysis as some would call it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Originally Posted by Marketing Strategist View Post

    I recently had an epiphany that has helped me in my approach to writing copy and it's something that you are probably already aware of, but just in case you're not, here it is:

    Copywriting is selling (in the written form).
    I'm inspired by your epiphany, Marketing Strategist.

    "Advertising is salesmanship in print." John E. Kennedy said that to Albert Lasker back in 1900.

    At some point every marketer has to learn that for themselves. And then discover the best way to become good at it.

    For some, a sales job does the trick. Others get mentored by people like Alex. Others load up their Kindle with copywriting books. And still others copy winning sales letters and ads of the masters by hand.

    - Rick Duris
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by RickDuris View Post

      "Advertising is salesmanship in print." John E. Kennedy said that to Albert Lasker back in 1900.
      Right on. It's more about selling than it is about writing. Frankly, I think its an epiphany many aspiring COPYWRITERS never get...including some who get hired on a consistent basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author Petar P
    Dude,

    Why have you even begun writing copy without first reading "Scientific
    Advertising" by Hopkins at least a couple of times?

    "Nobody, at any level, should be allowed to have anything to do with
    advertising until he has read this book seven times." - David Ogilvy

    And the book can be found for free online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    I'm guilty.

    As charged.

    I learned about writing copy - before I knew what copywriting is.

    No books. No courses. No seminars. No webinars. No free reports.

    I was aware of terms like open loops, positioning, future pacing or a hook.

    But I made good money doing all of those things, naturally.

    Then as I started reading about copy, I understood what I organically knew... and started building on my natural skills.

    I'm the product of self-schooling. I love figuring things out on my own. But don't reject the ocean of amazing experience out there. It's all yours for the taking. You'd be amazed by how just learning one little thing from someone who has been around the block more than a few times can accelerate your skill-set HUGE - helping you make more money.

    Read what resonates. But don't assume just because you can sell in-person that it translates onto paper. It's not that simple.

    Of course, you can start writing your copy by speaking into the microphone. Get yourself some Dragon Naturally Speaking software. It's a great way to start the process.

    But HOW you enter a conversation in a sales letter or VSL is VERY different than cold calling or knocking on someone's door.

    Don't assume. It's the kiss of death.

    And yes...

    You can also just write. See how it works. The audience dictates whether it works or not.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Farthing
    Don't skip over study. There's so much valuable information out there.

    But you're right - you shouldn't wait to start testing. Get a sales page up, and start seeing for yourself what works.
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    • Don't get me wrong, I'll definitely study copywriting as I progress and I'll read the Hopkins book first.

      But I believe that experience is the best teacher. I jumped into my first sales job with no prior study of salesmanship and I went from averaging $7/hr at first to now averaging over $100/hr and sometimes much more. Now, I'm ready to jump into copywriting...

      So, I'm creating my first online sales funnel right now, which I intend to launch and split-test as soon as it is ready, and I'm not going to let anyone slow me down by calling me clueless.

      Obviously, I will be smart with my advertising costs and if I'm not getting results then I will act accordingly.

      But, the point that I wanted to get across was that sometimes it's best to just jump in and get your feet wet...

      And, that my epiphany allowed me to get past the "not ready yet" or "paralysis by analysis" stage and into taking action...

      And that selling in the real world (I.e. Face to face) will help a person to develop skills that are transferable to any other selling environment such as copywriting.

      ...

      Thanks everyone for your input, whether it was positive or negative it is helpful and I learned from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jcmanheimer
    Uh, I suppose there is a similarity between coaching a basketball game and playing in a basketball game, but at the end of the day, if your objective is to WIN the basketball game, you might consider hiring someone who has the skills to actually put the ball in the basket.

    Just because someone can spill dirt on the floor and vacuum it up--talking all the while about Triple Bull Elephant Suction Power--doesn't mean that person can write compelling teaser copy.

    When writing a junk mail package, sadly, your reader does not have the benefit of your beautiful smile.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by jcmanheimer View Post

      Uh, I suppose there is a similarity between coaching a basketball game and playing in a basketball game, but at the end of the day, if your objective is to WIN the basketball game, you might consider hiring someone who has the skills to actually put the ball in the basket.

      Just because someone can spill dirt on the floor and vacuum it up--talking all the while about Triple Bull Elephant Suction Power--doesn't mean that person can write compelling teaser copy.

      When writing a junk mail package, sadly, your reader does not have the benefit of your beautiful smile.
      Josh,

      Thanks for posting, your site is my fav bookmark. I love that scrolling testimonial...

      gjabiz Gordon Jay Alexander, a longtime FAN.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Ahh, the beauty of this place...so many opinions.

    I've heard people rip me apart and call me much worse names than clueless. Only stoked the fire, though.

    They'll only be right if you let them be, no matter which side of the argument we're talking about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      Ahh, the beauty of this place...so many opinions.

      I've heard people rip me apart and call me much worse names than clueless. Only stoked the fire, though.

      They'll only be right if you let them be, no matter which side of the argument we're talking about.
      I don't see any name calling in this thread.

      Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    Now, now Alex. I wasn't singling anyone out or insinuating there was name-calling in this thread. Name-calling in this forum? You bet your ass.

    Just trying to make a point.

    Listen to the advice that makes sense to you, whether that's "give up because you suck" or "keep trying because you're about to strike gold".

    Ever the eternal Susie effin' Sunshine, I prefer "keep it up".
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Cohen
      Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      Now, now Alex. I wasn't singling anyone out or insinuating there was name-calling in this thread. Name-calling in this forum? You bet your ass.

      Just trying to make a point.
      As an experienced, respected copywriter you know that words have meaning.

      "call me much worse names than clueless" is pretty clear in its meaning.

      But you cleared it up... thanks.

      Alex
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