What methods do you use to...

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Hi, fellow copywriters!

I have a two part question.

1. What method(s) do you use to evaluate and learn from a piece of copy that you consider to be great? (Do you re-write it out or do you just read it and take notes?)

2. What pieces of adcopy do you recommend studying and evaluating?

I really appreciate your answers in advance.

God Bless, my friends!

ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    I need to practice more patience, because my method probably takes a hell of a lot longer. Yet somehow I convince myself it takes less time...

    At any rate, I collect the ads and read them. That's it in a nutshell. I read them again and again. I stop and think about it. Did it speak to me? Did it not? Is that due to me not being the market? Or am I the market and it still doesn't connect? Why is that? What about it worked for others, even if it didn't work for me?

    I'd probably be better served by highlighting and writing things out, keeping notes. I'd probably forget a lot less than I do LOL. But for everything I forget, I also manage to remember pretty awesome stuff too.

    In short, my method's not really a method. I just read and reread.

    I don't really have any recommendations that haven't been hashed out here time and again. I personally gravitate more toward videos or short, snappy copy with an intriguing story moreso than long form.
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      Thanks Ms Angie! I kinda knew this subject has probably been hashed and rehashed a bit, but I just wanted to hear some ideas from people that are currently on here that post often. Thanks again for the reply!

      ELMO
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      • Profile picture of the author Memetics
        Write the whole thing out by hand then highlight the parts you like best. Write these parts out then join them together as best you can into a short paragraph.

        Use this paragraph as the seed to build some of your previous copy around in a new way.

        This lodges the best parts into your memory by linking them to things you already know.
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        • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
          Originally Posted by Memetics View Post

          Write the whole thing out by hand then highlight the parts you like best. Write these parts out then join them together as best you can into a short paragraph.

          Use this paragraph as the seed to build some of your previous copy around in a new way.

          This lodges the best parts into your memory by linking them to things you already know.
          That's Gold..Pure Gold!

          Thanks so very much for this idea. Sometimes I will take a section and see if I can rewrite it into my own words while keeping the overall message the same. Some of the older copy from back in the 40's and 50's can be modified to today's standards and lingo.

          Thanks so much for the idea, I really appreciate it!

          God Bless!

          ELMO
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  • Profile picture of the author TracyBelshee
    For those encouraging writing it out for yourselves, does this include typing it?

    I'm curious because writing by hand is something I personally couldn't do for any real length of time (old broken bones in my hand).
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    • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
      Originally Posted by TracyBelshee View Post

      For those encouraging writing it out for yourselves, does this include typing it?

      I'm curious because writing by hand is something I personally couldn't do for any real length of time (old broken bones in my hand).
      Tracy,

      I don't think it matters. If you are writing out the material using a word processor, the internalization of the material will still be the same. In my opinion, you could just as easily write something out by hand while thinking of a million other things. (I know, because I have done that!)

      The main thing is to think about what you are writing while you are writing it. As Memetics stated, going back and highlighting the copy and rewriting it out in a new way would help you THINK about what was written.

      God Bless!

      ELmo
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    A lot of the top copywriters will post ads that they think are great or just plain suck. They then go on and give points to each. I study them.

    Then, I take all the mail I receive and go over it to see what made me read the sales letter or postcard... what caught my eye, what they can do to improve, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    I have a two part question.

    1. What method(s) do you use to evaluate and learn from a piece of copy that you consider to be great? (Do you re-write it out or do you just read it and take notes?)


    I need to know the details. Was it successful, where it ran, what elements were tested. Most of us have read copy we "considered" to be great, even some of our stuff. But the market said otherwise.

    Try to learn from a piece of copy which has/is worked/working. The Denny Hatch stuff is a good start.


    2. What pieces of adcopy do you recommend studying and evaluating?

    I recommend you study and evaluate copy that is relevant to your goals, your plans and what you want to write on.

    Again, my opinion, most of us are not qualified to evaluate copy we THINK is great, so it might be best to study those pieces which worked and have the results to back it up.

    When you come across one of the books and the author has put in case studies, then you might want to start with those.

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  • Profile picture of the author Will Compton
    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

    1. What method(s) do you use to evaluate and learn from a piece of copy that you consider to be great?
    To consider something great it must have made a good Return on Investment. Find winning pieces you like the "voice" of and then copy every word and punctuation mark long hand over and over (at least three times per piece).

    Really, you should copy one winning piece long hand a day for the rest of your career.

    Originally Posted by elmo033057 View Post

    2. What pieces of adcopy do you recommend studying and evaluating?
    Anything by John Carlton, Gary Halbert, Gary Bencivenga, Dan Kennedy, Joe Sugarman, David Ogilvy, Robert Collier and Claude Hopkins

    P.S. I have a swipe file of winning ads from the top 5 copywriters of all time. If you're interested, I'll give it to you, just send me a PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrigdon73
    I regularly read the NY Times and while staying on top of current events -- I'm also actively reading for interesting turns of phrase and unique metaphors. I trust that I'm reading good copy because its The Paper of Record, duh.
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