problems with double opt in

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i am new to listbuilding.

i setup squeeze page and bought some traffic to test. i am using getresponse for it.

now the weird thing: i get around 80 subscribers with the traffic, but i have one big problem :

only 4 of them confirmed the double opt in email. how can this be?

when i for myself want to have a newsletter i go to my inbox and confirm the mail, right?

i know from affiliate offers that single optin is much easier to convert but that this discrepancy is so big is not to understand for me.

anyone have an idea about this issue or maybe the traffic-sellers is faking me?
#double #opt #problems
  • Profile picture of the author wentzco
    Did you buy the traffic from a solo ad seller?

    If so - there is a good chance you're getting screwed over IMO. I also use a double opt-in & have caught 2 people sending bogus subscribers not realizing I use double opt-in.

    Example of a legit seller who sends out 100 clicks & sends 109 clicks in a fast time - I get 23 confirmed with double opt-in shortly with another 23 pending. In a few hours about 12 of those 23 that were pending confirm so I have 35% opt-in. (30-45% is typical depending on seller). A couple more confirmations trickle in the next day.


    Example of bogus solo ad seller - I buy 100 clicks & get 111 clicks sent. 50 subscribers were added to "pending" yet amazingly none were confirmed as I have a "double opt-in". That doesn't occur - 1/2 the people confirm immediately. If you saw 4 confirmations... possibly they had 4-5 legitimate people on their list or they only confirmed those 4 people themselves & may get around to confirming when they have time... a scam.
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    • Profile picture of the author outrage
      yes that is exactly what i thought. i also resend the confirmation email after 24 hours and again NOT one confirmed it.

      also i rechecked my stats. i made a mistake: the four subscibers i told about are from another traffic source. my fault. this means.

      i bought 100 clicks - got 117. many many signups - but not one confirmed double optin.

      it really looks like a scam for me now..

      before i tested the squeeze page with ppc-traffic and around 80% confirmed the double optin.
      then i bought the first time of my life a solo ad.

      i wrote to the seller and he said that this problems with double optin occurs many times?!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author wentzco
    Yep - it was a scam. Report it in this Facebook group like I did in this post - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Solo...9663028914786/

    In this case I had paid by Paypal & filed a dispute. I also paid with a credit card thru Paypal so I also canceled payment there. I also directed Paypal & my credit card company to my Facebook post about what occurred (also sent them a copy of conversations). This exact same thing happened at Safe-swaps a few months back with a seller. Myself & only one other person caught on to the scam immediately while everybody else was happy with their single opt-in subscriber rate & gave good testimonials... not realizing they were bogus subscribers. The double opt-in caught the scam! You should see that 80%-85%+ confirmation rate plus realize that some that didn't confirm maybe were using bogus email addresses if they expected a free gift after they opted-in.

    There are ways of limiting this happening again. I've got a good list of Facebook groups in my signature line. 2-3 also are solo ad testimonial groups. When looking at testimonials... see if they mention sales. If a seller has buyers giving testimonials with 40% opt-in with 2-3 sales several times... likely they are legitimate seller. This is also true at site platforms that connect buyers/seller.

    There are some sites where buyers rate the results they get from their sellers including mentions of sales that occurred. Many sites are not up-to-date though. Here is some site examples (there are more)-

    http://www.ratracegrad.com/solo-ads-rolodex/


    http://blog.clickmeter.com/best-solo-ads-vendors/


    http://www.soloadsx.com/


    http://zamuraiblogger.com/solo-ad-directory/



    There are WSOs/products where peoples sell you their solo ad sellers results & rate the sellers. However as I've seen - even those seasoned solo ad buyers can get scammed without knowing it (because they use single opt-in).


    If you see the same sellers popping up on these sites with testimonials, facebook groups with good testimonials, buyer/seller platform sites or WSO-type solo ad rolodex products... sounds likely that they are a quality provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author outrage
    i opened also a dispute on paypal and opened a thread on the solo ad facebook page. also i wrote an email to the seller but did not receive a response till now. i will see what will happen right now.
    thanks for your opinion and help.

    i will post here the results of this dispute.
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  • Profile picture of the author joshsiaw
    Hmm, sometimes it might not be the solo ad seller at fault but rather the visitors using throw away emails. I've had this happen to me even though the solo ad seller had great testimonials and even sales generated.

    Anyway, it can still be argued that the solo ad providers is supposed to guarantee the quality of the traffic. Depends on the understanding between the seller and buyer I suppose.
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    • Profile picture of the author wentzco
      Originally Posted by joshsiaw View Post

      Hmm, sometimes it might not be the solo ad seller at fault but rather the visitors using throw away emails. I've had this happen to me even though the solo ad seller had great testimonials and even sales generated.

      Anyway, it can still be argued that the solo ad providers is supposed to guarantee the quality of the traffic. Depends on the understanding between the seller and buyer I suppose.

      Yeah - there will be a small portion of users using throwaway email addresses but not 100 % as happened here (as well with 2 of my solo ad sellers). The buyer here did a prior test via PPC with 80% confirmation rate of those that opted in which is about right (80-85%). This was a scam & those using single opt-in won't catch it & one seller at Safe-swaps obviously was able to fool their "safe" system as well. These solo ad scammers have figured out ways to beat the system... but obviously are to lazy to confirm the double opt-in process.

      For those that preach single-opt-in & buy clicks from these scammers while praising them with their 45-55% opt-in rate via testimonials... you're helping the crooks scam others with your testimonial.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    There's a great chance you're being sent:

    1) Fake traffic

    2) Incentivized traffic

    3) Plain old "junk" low quality traffic

    You want to hear a funny story?

    I remember I bought a solo ad once... And all of the leads confirmed their opt-in AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. Haha.

    (Anyone familiar with discrete math will realize how... statistically unlikely that was to occur naturally).

    Also, one other tip...

    Make sure to REMIND your end users to confirm their emails if you choose to go down that route.

    For example, immediately after opt-in, you could have a video or a redirect page or something that says "Make sure to check your email for your free gift from you@yourdomain.com"... Or remind them somehow like that.

    I wish you the best... It's tough out there for solo ad buyers. (Remember to track your own data, and keep good solo ad vendors close).
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Originally Posted by outrage View Post

    i am new to listbuilding.
    What took ya so long?

    Originally Posted by outrage View Post

    now the weird thing: i get around 80 subscribers with the traffic, but i have one big problem :

    only 4 of them confirmed the double opt in email. how can this be?
    Yeah, those #'s are pretty crappy, but you can expect less subs with confirmed optin

    Although, it greatly depends on your traffic source

    Originally Posted by outrage View Post

    when i for myself want to have a newsletter i go to my inbox and confirm the mail, right?
    Well, yeah...

    Unfortunately not everyone thinks that way, or let alone, places as big of an emphasis on going to their inbox and clicking the confirm link.

    Originally Posted by outrage View Post

    anyone have an idea about this issue or maybe the traffic-sellers is faking me?
    That's a possibility.

    Why not 'bite the bullet' and change to single and or find a new traffic source / person to buy from.
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