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Unread 22nd Oct 2013, 10:21 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

I know it isn't Syndication, but have you thought about this.

The websites with large traffic that say no, you could maybe offer them a guest post of the same quality as the original article you sent them. For example if they get 1k hits a day, it may be worth your time typing up another article soley for use on that one site.

As a door to door salesman, i find it hard to take no for an answer. Its called objection handling. Actually i would be really interested in seeing your contact email, or at least the close? Is it assumptive enough?

If they say no, ask them why not, and if its the duplicate content excuse, i would say something along the lines of

" Ah yes, i have heard that quite a bit recently, what with the new updates liking original content. When i spoke to people like yourself, they felt a lot happier accepting a Custom written unique article for use on there site. I take it this would be a better option for you?"

Something to ponder

I might consider it but to be honest long term I don't know if it would be worth it...because the problems with giving "unique" content (in my opinion that's the difference between guest posting and article syndication...with guest posting you provide sites with unique content with article syndication you don't):

1. There's no way to know exactly how much traffic a site gets...don't believe what marketers tell you about Alexa ranking and all that...Alexa can only track people who have downloaded their toolbar...

So the only true way to know how much traffic a site gets is to see their analytics (AwStats, Google Analytics, etc.) and I doubt a site owner is going to let you see that...they might tell you how much traffic they get though...

2. Just because a site gets a lot of traffic doesn't mean that you automatically will be able to funnel a significant amount of that traffic to your site to make it worth your wild to provide unique content...

3. If you provide unique content to that site they will more than likely expect you to do it every time you want to place content on their site...for me creating good and interesting content is already time consuming and a little tough at times, especially when I'm experiencing a little "writer's block" so to have to do that every time I want content on someone else site might be tough long term...

4. Although I'm not focusing on search engine traffic (and I agree with Alexa Smith to a point that search engine traffic isn't the highest quality traffic) I still don't mind getting search engine traffic as a bonus...

But if I started doing guest posts I'd still get some SEO benefits but the advantage of initial indexation (being the first with the content indexed first because it was indexed on my site first) would be lost...don't know if that makes sense to you...

5. A warrior that I want to eventually (years from now) be on the same level as is warrior myob...apparently he's in a few dozen niches and has many different writers writing for each 1 of those niches...it sounds like for each article they write he's paying them anywhere from a few hundred upwards to $1K for EACH article...

Could you imagine having to spend that on unique articles as opposed to just using the same content multiple times???

That would get ridiculously expensive...so much so that warrior myob doesn't guest post/provide unique content...because from a profitability stand point it doesn't make sense to do so...

I know I'm a long way off from that but I'm trying to think more long term than I have in the past...short term thinking has always been why I'll make a little money doing something for a little while but because I didn't think ahead or I focused on short term gain something would happen that stopped me from increasing or at least maintaining my level of earnings, i.e., search engine rankings, building a site around a specific product as opposed to a specific niche, etc.

6. Simply put, I'm also a little too lazy to be creating unique content...I like the leverage article syndication gives me...with guest posting you don't have as much leverage because every time you want to siphon traffic from a site/publisher that's agreed to publish content from you on their site you have to create another unique article...

My apologies for the long post but once I started thinking about your question/suggestion I just kept thinking of why guest posting/providing unique content is in the long run maybe not such a good idea...

Short term there would be something to gain...and I'd probably do it IF I had no website owners who had said 'yes' to syndicating my content but thus far I have 9 website owners/publishers in my little syndication network and I think that's a pretty good start.

And I do ask website owners that say 'no' why and in 85% of cases (at least that's what it seems like is the percentage lol) it's the duplicate content issue...other times it's just that the website owner I think is either not interested or they solely want to handle the content creation...

But I still plan on following up with some of those website owners weeks or months down the road because they're situation may change and/or they may change their mind for whatever reason...

The only way I'd probably stop contacting them is if they said 'stop contacting me' lol :p
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Bad news today...no sales But for awhile I was on a little streak as far as getting at least 1 sale a day...I know that even in the future that if I continue to improve there still might be some days where I don't sell anything so I'm not too down about this...

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 15 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 0 visitors to my site

- 3rd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 3 visitors to my site

- 5th website = 27 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 11 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 22 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 5 visitors to my site

And of the 85 visitors to my site today 9 subscribed...

As for what I accomplished today...I was able to find 20 more website owners to contact...was kind of a struggle to do so because I'm starting to really, really scrape the bottom of the barrel of site owners I can contact and still be relevant enough to get visitors to my site and ultimately subscribers...

Likewise, I contacted a few site owners I've contacted in the past...as for the 2 website owners that were on the fence I still haven't heard back from them but I think I'm probably going to contact both of them tomorrow or Thursday at the latest...

Nothing too interesting/exciting today...with the exception of the interesting questions I got above that I made some really long posts to answer...my apologies for the long block of plain boring text in long and probably boring posts. :p
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Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

I was able to find 20 more website owners to contact...was kind of a struggle to do so because I'm starting to really, really scrape the bottom of the barrel of site owners I can contact and still be relevant enough to get visitors to my site and ultimately subscribers...
This might be a bold move but have you considered running a survey & asking your traffic/subscribers If they also have sites in the same niche?

As you know I've stopped running Adsense, Instead of ads in my site header I'm now running a survey asking my traffic questions related to the niche. It's working out good so far, it's good info. to have. Maybe ask your traffic/subscribers If they own a site in the same niche?

Personally, I subscribe to a lot of sites that are in the same niche that I target with my own sites, this is a better idea IMO If you target the broader niche, you'll most likely get a larger list of sites & still have relevant traffic.

Doesn't hurt to ask traffic/subscribers questions, it's free.
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Have you considered setting up Google Alerts for keywords related to your niche? It's possible that you'll get alot of alerts from sites that are newsy or too general, but it could help you find some new niche sites to target too.
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Hmmm...never would've thought to do that...I might give it a try in the very near future...not certain whether to include it in the autoresponder series or to send out a broadcast (I would prefer to avoid sending out a broadcast)...

Not certain if emailing them direct would be considered a "no-no" but I could do it that way as well since I have their email address...:confused:

Originally Posted by yukon View Post

This might be a bold move but have you considered running a survey & asking your traffic/subscribers If they also have sites in the same niche?

As you know I've stopped running Adsense, Instead of ads in my site header I'm now running a survey asking my traffic questions related to the niche. It's working out good so far, it's good info. to have. Maybe ask your traffic/subscribers If they own a site in the same niche?

Personally, I subscribe to a lot of sites that are in the same niche that I target with my own sites, this is a better idea IMO If you target the broader niche, you'll most likely get a larger list of sites & still have relevant traffic.

Doesn't hurt to ask traffic/subscribers questions, it's free.
Wow! What an awesome tip about setting up Google Alerts for keywords related to my niche...I never would've come up with that on my own. I'll definitely be doing that...thanks danr62.

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Have you considered setting up Google Alerts for keywords related to your niche? It's possible that you'll get alot of alerts from sites that are newsy or too general, but it could help you find some new niche sites to target too.
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Here are some other ideas you can consider..

1) Run your keywords on Bing and Yahoo - you may find new sites that you haven't found on Google
2) Run your keywords on search engines and add site:.com, site:.net .. etc - You may find new sites this way
3) Search for the same keywords but add couple of modifiers that will return sites they're actively building a list with words like "We will never spam you", "Powered by Aweber".. etc
4) Find blogs with a certain number of comments - if they have real comments, they certainly have traffic - you can add a query modifier like "[10..20] comments" to find posts with at least 10 comments up to 20.
5) Use Google Adwords - create a dummy campaign, enter your keywords in the placement targeting area and Google will return the most relevant sites that you might not have found
6) Use moat.com or mixrank to uncover sites that are actively buying ads on other sites that relate to your niche
7) Do solo ads exchange with other people who are building a list in your niche
8) Might be a stretch, but you might connect with people who sell products in this niche and somehow find ways to help each other

Hope you'll find some new ideas above that will help you uncover new sites.

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Here's another tip I just thought of. Search for books on Amazon in your niche and see if the authors have websites.

Or use Facebook Graph Search to find Pages.
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Thanks again for another good tip danr62...can't believe I didn't think of the Google Alert tip being that I'm using Google Alerts to find out when website owners/publishers publish my articles...

Really appreciate the good tips from you, Yukon, gabibeowulf and everyone else in this thread.

Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

Here's another tip I just thought of. Search for books on Amazon in your niche and see if the authors have websites.

Or use Facebook Graph Search to find Pages.
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Some really good news today on multiple fronts...I made a sale today of product #1 so that puts my total to $445 and I now have 20 subscribers on my buyers' list...

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 17 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 0 visitors to my site

- 3rd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 5th website = 25 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 7 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 43 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 13 visitors to my site

And of the 107 visitors to my site today 9 subscribed...

Today was a pretty interesting day although I did WAY to much surfing around the WF reading threads that have nothing to do with what I'm currently doing...I still managed to get a decent amount done...

I emailed 26 website owners today about syndicating my content...and it was a little easier to find websites because of the Google Alerts I set up...thanks again for the tip danr62...

And I did contact the 2 website owners that were on the fence...I've only heard back from 1 and he said that he'd like to "test" out 1 of my articles and he'll be publishing it tomorrow...his blog allows comments from website visitors/his readership so this should be interesting...

But now that I'm typing this I didn't think to ask him will I be answering questions/responding to comments, will he be the 1 responding, or will there be responses at all??? He didn't let me know...

Another interesting thing was the tip that I got from Yukon...I was going to kind of put his idea to contact subscribers on the back burner but an idea hit me that was inspired by a post of his that I read awhile ago and remembered...

I looked through my list of subscribers to see if any their emails had a domain in them, i.e., brittany@mywebsite.com...and I found 1 person that did...which is surprising because I figured someone wouldn't subscribe to a list using their website email but rather their personal email...

Anyway, I checked out their website and it appeared to be a personal blog that was about multiple different things but the person behind this blog was very amusing and from their writings seemed pretty cool...

Plus if the Facebook likes, other social buttons, and comments on their blog were any indication they have a decent-sized and loyal following...

So I contacted them explaining that they were a subscriber on my list...chatted them up a bit in the email...asked if they'd be interested in any articles from me, also providing a sample article and a link to my Ezinearticles profile with the other articles I had...

I wasn't expecting a response until maybe tomorrow but low and behold they responded right away and they're interested!

We traded a few emails back and forth but their fairly enthusiastic about using my content...I'm not certain how successful my content would be on a blog that's a smorgasbord of different topics but I don't have anything to lose...

To start they just want to try 1 of my articles on their site to see how their readership responds but if the response is positive they'd be interested in 2 more of my articles!

The blog owner will be posting my article on his site tomorrow as well...

Weird but exciting day with 2 website owners wanting to take 2 of my articles on a "test drive" lol :p

But a BIG thanks to Yukon for the tip...I was a bit skeptical about doing it but it worked out...I'm still going to tread carefully with this because I don't want to risk alienating my subscribers by asking if they have a website that they'd be willing to post my content on...

However, moving forward I think I'll email subscribers 1 at a time to gauge reactions to my request as opposed to sending out a broadcast or putting a message in my autoresponder series...so if I email 10 people for example and 7 of the 10 get "annoyed" by my email I can assume that other subscribers on my list will react the same way...

I'm still a little leery to ask subscribers about whether they have a website they'd be willing to publish my articles on and the only reason why I did with the 1 person is because I knew they had a website based on their email address...so I think I'll seriously pursue this further but for the time being put it off for a little bit...

Thanks again Yukon for the really good tip!

Moreover, today websites #8 and #9 published 1 of my articles today.

So today was fairly eventful...

However, as of late I've been having to fight the urge to jump into creating another site and getting distracted by other things I'm reading on the WF...losing focus and wanting to try/do multiple things has been a diehard bad habit of mine but with the little bit of success I'm seeing it's quite a bit easier to fight this urge lol. :p

On the other hand, I was thinking after this challenge concludes that I might delve a little deeper into this niche by creating another site that focuses on a more specific demographic within the niche...

To give you some example so you get an idea of what I'm talking about...wedding planning...it's a niche but it could be broken down into:

1. wedding planning for Jewish weddings

2. wedding planning for summer weddings

3. wedding planing for weddings on short notice (30 days or less)

I'm thinking of doing something similar to those examples above in the current niche I'm in once this 1st site becomes more established or maybe even after December 1st...depends on a few factors but it's something I'm thinking about...beats going into a completely different niche I think...

Yukon does something similar BUT he can also use his sites to exchange traffic amongst his sites...wouldn't make sense for me to do it I don't think being that this 2nd site would more than likely promoting the same 2 products I'm currently promoting...so to me it wouldn't make sense for subscribers to be on 2 different lists that are still promoting the same products...

Just something I'm thinking of doing in the not too distant future...but for NOW I need to focus on making this 1st site a success and fight the urge to work on multiple projects...at least for now...
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Oops! Meant to say website #2

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@ brittlesnc

Wow, thanks.

Mostly I get the usual free email accounts on my subscriber list but every once in a while I do get the emails of other webmaster domains (ex: info@domain.com), staff from high schools & community colleges (ex: johndoe@school.edu).

The most interesting email subscriber I've had so far was a guy that builds products for NASCAR & sprint cars, I researched the guy & he was the lead man on a very popular NASCAR drivers team before he started his own business where he claims 60% market share for one item required by NASCAR (business monopoly).

It's fun to browse the email subscriber list for domain names & people, you never know what you'll find.

I'm still running a survey at the top of my sites gathering info., I think I'll make surveys a permanent part of my sites. The traffic survey feedback is great, I've even had a few survey replies asking for more of one particular piece of content that I posted back in 2008, so that's on my to do list. Evergreen niches are awesome.

BTW, here's the article that gave me the idea to check my own subscribers emails & making contact with those people that have relevant sites.

Keep up the good work, those webmaster contacts should last for years.
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Hi! Thanks for sharing with us you challenge. I'm a total newbie in IM (I never even tried to sell any product online).

For the past few weeks I've been reading a lot and "collecting" information. I know I have no authority about what I'm going to tell you, but IMHO you should try NOW to fix (improve) your opt-in rates.

Maybe this article (I found many more) can help you, especially trick #5.
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Hi! Thanks for sharing with us you challenge. I'm a total newbie in IM (I never even tried to sell any product online).

For the past few weeks I've been reading a lot and "collecting" information. I know I have no authority about what I'm going to tell you, but IMHO you should try NOW to fix (improve) your opt-in rates.

Maybe this article (I found many more) can help you, especially trick #5.
Thanks for your comment...

But I think my opt-in rate for my site stands between 11%-13%...not certain because I haven't really been keeping track like I should...

However, for a content rich site that's pretty good according to many veteran list builders on the WF...

My opt-in isn't a squeeze page where the only thing a visitor can do is subscribe or hit the back button to get off the page...my site has a decent amount of content on it so the visitor can look around my site for more information, opt-in, or leave my site...

So with a squeeze page, yes, 11%-13% wouldn't be very good but with a content rich site with an opt-in I think that 11%-13% is actually pretty good...it could be improved but it would more than likely not go above 20% opt-in...

But with a squeeze page I think that what is considered "good" is maybe 30% opt-in rate and above...however, the threads I've read on the subject are that with squeeze pages you build bigger lists but that doesn't necessarily equate to more money...

There are some who think that building lists on a content rich site that has an opt-in is much better than building a list with a squeeze page...your list will be smaller using a content rich site with an opt-in but you'll make more money with the list than you would if you built a larger list with a squeeze page...

My gut tells me that it would be better to use a content rich site with an opt-in to build a list than it would be with a squeeze page...but I could be wrong...for now I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and maybe do A LOT more testing once this challenge is over...
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I was not really talking just about squeeze pages, but a splash page, IMO a much better approach than what multiple content rich sites do (an annoying popup in front of the content). I think it's a nice mixed way:

This goes one better (a lot better) than the standard, in-your-face, get-the-hell-outta-my-way opt-in popups that load over existing site content when you first view a page.
Popups are universally despised by web users. In one survey by usability researcher Jakob Nielsen, 95% of users reported that their online experience was affected “negatively or very negatively” by design elements that popped up in front of their windows. 93% reported the same for elements which covered what they were trying to see.

More importantly, in a survey of 18,808 users, over 50% reported that popups affected their opinion of the advertiser very negatively. Almost 40% said it affected their opinion of the website very negatively.

Not a great way to start a relationship with a prospect.

A splash page avoids these problems while still giving you the chance to capture prospects when they first arrive: When they type in your URL, they’re taken directly to your squeeze page, which also includes a nice big visible button saying something like, “No thanks, take me to the main site"
http://blog.kissmetrics.com/wp-conte...tle-splash.jpg
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My apologies guys for not posting yesterday/last night but there was some kind of issue with my laptop that wasn't allowing me to access the WF...and then some weird message about the WF being attacked by malware and viruses kept popping up...

I didn't want to take the chance that the message was right and that if I did ignore it that my laptop would get some sort of virus...this is an old laptop out of warranty and I can't afford another laptop at this point and time if something happens to this 1 (well I wouldn't be able to afford 1 right away that is)...

I finally just looked for the email address of the WF's support desk in my old email, sent them an email about the problem, and I went to bed early...and now I'm up early this morning...tried accessing the WF and had no problems getting to the site without any weird messages popping up...

Anyway...

I got 1 sale of product #1 yesterday bringing my grand total to $463 and I now have 21 subscribers on my buyers' list...

I'm glad that the 1 buyer not subscribing to my buyers' list has so far been an isolated incident BUT I'm still going to get CB List Automator to have more of an assurance that I won't miss buyers getting onto my buyers' list...I think the software is at least worth trying out...

Yesterday's stats:

- 1st website = 13 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 1 visitor to my site

- 3rd website = 3 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 5th website = 18 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 4 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 34 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 9 visitors to my site

- 10th website = 22 visitors to my site

- 11th website (personal blog) = 5 visitors to my site

And of the 109 visitors to my site yesterday 13 subscribed...

Yesterday was pretty interesting yet again...

Both of the new publishers published 1 of my articles on their site...for website #10 the feedback from site visitors was pretty positive according to the comments with only 1 person disagreeing/objecting to the content in my article but they were tactful and respectful with their comment...

I thought I'd have to reply to comments but the website owner did and they're weren't really any questions for me to answers so overall it went well...

And with that "trial run" being over the website owner wants to use 2 more of my articles...so I'd say that the "test" was a success.

My content placed on the personal blog didn't get any comments so again I didn't have to worry about responding...but as I mentioned above I did get 5 visitors from the personal blog so while it's not a lot of traffic it wasn't a total bust...and they want 2 more of my articles as well...

As for what I accomplished...I emailed 23 website owners, created 3 new messages for both autoresponder series, and reconnected with a handful of website owners I've contacted in the past...it was productive day yesterday...

Also, I have to thank fellow warrior travlinguy for a tip that popped into my head yesterday about how to find potential syndication partners...the tip can be found here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6885801

Likewise, this is a good tip for article syndication from travlinguy as well:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6880494

So today I will start with the 11 websites already publishing my content and look for other "article marketers" on their site and see if those writers are having their content published on other sites...to the best of my knowledge I think websites #5 and #8 publish content from other writers but I'd have to go back and look...

But I really want to thank my fellow warriors so much for the information and tips...I now have so many different ways to find potential syndication partners that it's almost overwhelming...

Thus far I think I've contacted 800+ websites...some A LOT more targeted than others but if there is an outside chance that not only will the website owner be interested in my content but their readership as well I'll even contact website owners who are just barely related to my topic/niche...what do I have to lose with maybe the BIG exception being time...

Consequently, all 10 of the 11 website owners that are currently publishing my content on their sites are in markets/niches that are complimentary to my own as opposed to "just barely" being related to my niche (with the exception of the personal blog)...

But I'll still continue to contact those who are "just barely" related to my niche because you never know...a trickle of traffic across many websites is just as good as A LOT of traffic from a few websites...
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I was not really talking just about squeeze pages, but a splash page, IMO a much better approach than what multiple content rich sites do (an annoying popup in front of the content). I think it's a nice mixed way:


http://blog.kissmetrics.com/wp-conte...tle-splash.jpg
Thanks for the example. Hmmm...that is something to definitely ponder because visitors to the site have the option of visiting the content rich part of the site with the "No Thanks, Go to the Website" button...

Would definitely be worth testing that's for sure.


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Wow, thanks.

Mostly I get the usual free email accounts on my subscriber list but every once in a while I do get the emails of other webmaster domains (ex: info@domain.com), staff from high schools & community colleges (ex: johndoe@school.edu).

The most interesting email subscriber I've had so far was a guy that builds products for NASCAR & sprint cars, I researched the guy & he was the lead man on a very popular NASCAR drivers team before he started his own business where he claims 60% market share for one item required by NASCAR (business monopoly).

It's fun to browse the email subscriber list for domain names & people, you never know what you'll find.

I'm still running a survey at the top of my sites gathering info., I think I'll make surveys a permanent part of my sites. The traffic survey feedback is great, I've even had a few survey replies asking for more of one particular piece of content that I posted back in 2008, so that's on my to do list. Evergreen niches are awesome.

BTW, here's the article that gave me the idea to check my own subscribers emails & making contact with those people that have relevant sites.

Keep up the good work, those webmaster contacts should last for years.
Now you've got me thinking that I should probably do a survey just to know what kind of content my subscribers want more of...something I'll more than likely do down the road...don't want to get overwhelmed with a bunch of testing on top of the tasks I'm doing not to mention I really need to get on top of being more organized...
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Thanks for the update. I actually stayed up to 4 am to get the latest update as usual. This thread is strangely addicting.

Also, are you offeing any kind of report for people subscribing? Or are they just subscribing because they like your content? Or both

A few updates back you mentioned you were getting a wee bit of traffic from google. How much Organic Traffic are you getting on average per day now? Would be interesting to see if your syndication efforts on relevant blogs is making some good headway in the SERPS.

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Thanks for the update. I actually stayed up to 4 am to get the latest update as usual. This thread is strangely addicting.

Also, are you offeing any kind of report for people subscribing? Or are they just subscribing because they like your content? Or both

A few updates back you mentioned you were getting a wee bit of traffic from google. How much Organic Traffic are you getting on average per day now? Would be interesting to see if your syndication efforts on relevant blogs is making some good headway in the SERPS.
Yes, I offer a free report to get site visitors to subscribe...but I also hope it's because they like the content they read that got them to my site in the first place, and the additional content that's on my website.

The good thing about article syndication is that if a website is willing to put your content on their site, especially a website that itself already has loyal readers, then it usually assumed that you have at least a small measure of credibility/trust from the website owner/publisher...

As for my search engine traffic, it's hardly even worth mentioning...maybe in the last week or so that I've noticed I've gotten a few visitors from really long tail keyword phrases...and those visitors aren't even from Google but Bing and Yahoo believe it or not. :p
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As for my search engine traffic, it's hardly even worth mentioning...maybe in the last week or so that I've noticed I've gotten a few visitors from really long tail keyword phrases...and those visitors aren't even from Google but Bing and Yahoo believe it or not. :p
I'm seeing the same thing on my site. Very little search traffic and almost none of it from Google, and what I do get from the search engines hardly converts at all.

Oddly, Facebook traffic converts OK for me, but only if it's coming from the mobile Facebook site. Desktop Facebook traffic isn't converting at all, and I have close to the same number of visitors from each.:confused:
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I'm seeing the same thing on my site. Very little search traffic and almost none of it from Google, and what I do get from the search engines hardly converts at all.

Oddly, Facebook traffic converts OK for me, but only if it's coming from the mobile Facebook site. Desktop Facebook traffic isn't converting at all, and I have close to the same number of visitors from each.:confused:
Yeah...that is a bit odd about the Facebook traffic...:confused:

And I've been checking out the Adsense/SEO section of the WF off and on for the last week or so out of curiosity (I hardly visit that section of the WF anymore) and now I've been reading that Google is going to be "hiding" data about incoming traffic to people's sites as a result of long tail keyword phrases...

So for long tail keyword phrases (and I think phrases that even get a decent amount of traffic) instead of being able to go to your website stats to see what long tail phrases are bring you traffic you're going to see a "Not Provided" in it's place if I was understanding what I was reading correctly...

There are even rumors that Google is going to show less and less data as time goes on...which makes since because we've been seeing that more and more over the years...that and it's away to push people into paying for Adwords (well at least that's what me and some other people think not that it counts for much :p).

I'm just so glad that my focus isn't search engine traffic anymore...it was a constant struggle and I got tired of the game frankly...I don't fault Google for doing what's in it's own best interest BUT that doesn't mean I have to go along for the ride either...
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Now you've got me thinking that I should probably do a survey just to know what kind of content my subscribers want more of...something I'll more than likely do down the road...don't want to get overwhelmed with a bunch of testing on top of the tasks I'm doing not to mention I really need to get on top of being more organized...
All I'm doing right now is I have a banner image at the top of all my pages promoting my survey. It took me maybe 20min. to setup the free version at surveymonkey.com.

I plan on looking for something else later to use for surveys, for now it works ok but I would like some type of internal setup for surveys, maybe a Wordpress plugin or something simple.

My survey questions are very simple & totally optional for my traffic, I don't try to force anything on my traffic.

Another good way to get data (ideas) from your traffic is to add a search box that lets traffic search your site for content, then track all those internal searches (keyword phrases) that your traffic is doing on your site.

Just some simple ideas that can help understand what your traffic is looking for. I'm not trying to derail what you've already accomplished.
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All I'm doing right now is I have a banner image at the top of all my pages promoting my survey. It took me maybe 20min. to setup the free version at surveymonkey.com.

I plan on looking for something else later to use for surveys, for now it works ok but I would like some type of internal setup for surveys, maybe a Wordpress plugin or something simple.

My survey questions are very simple & totally optional for my traffic, I don't try to force anything on my traffic.

Another good way to get data (ideas) from your traffic is to add a search box that lets traffic search your site for content, then track all those internal searches (keyword phrases) that your traffic is doing on your site.

Just some simple ideas that can help understand what your traffic is looking for. I'm not trying to derail what you've already accomplished.
Very good ideas Yukon!

And as far as the search box goes do you think that would work for a small to medium-sized website?

I know for your websites it makes sense because your sites sound pretty large...

So what I'm asking is does the size of the site matter when it comes to using a search box?
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Very good ideas Yukon!

And as far as the search box goes do you think that would work for a small to medium-sized website?

I know for your websites it makes sense because your sites sound pretty large...

So what I'm asking is does the size of the site matter when it comes to using a search box?
If it's a regular site/blog I would still have a site search box. Sites usually grow over time & traffic has no idea how many pages are on the site (ex: 100 pages vs. 1,000 pages).
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No sales today.

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 8 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 0 visitors to my site

- 3rd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 1 visitor to my site

- 5th website = 13 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 4 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 45 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 6 visitors to my site

- 10th website = 15 visitors to my site

- 11th website = 7 visitors to my site

And of the 101 visitors to my site today 11 subscribed...

As for what I got done today...I emailed 30 website owners and created 1 message for both my autoresponder series...

Also, websites #8 and #11 published 1 of my articles on their site today...I'm surprised by #11 because they just published 1 of my articles on their site for the first time yesterday so I wasn't expecting them to publish another 1 on their site so soon...but I'm not complaining, I'm just happy they want to use my content at all.

Moreover, I figured out another way to find websites that I can contact...by doing searches on Google's search engines for other English speaking countries, i.e., google.co.uk, google.ca, google.com.au, etc.

What I noticed by doing a few preliminary searches on each country-specific Google search engine is that the results were fairly different for each search engine and that some websites weren't even in the results of other country-specific Google search engines...so this is yet another way to find website owners that I otherwise may not have found...

Moreover, this weekend I'm going to be creating another article since it's been 2 weeks since I created article #11...
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@brittlesnc, I have a question:

It's obvious (and correct IMO) that you give your article writing a BIG importance in your business... they are YOUR products, even more than those you sell. You are in the way I'm thinking of starting: Content marketing on top of SEO.

Don't you think it could be a good idea to reinvest an important part of your earnings in outsourcing your article writing (although you may also keep writing yourself). It will increase YOUR products in a short period of time.

Think of it as if it was an interest reinvestment in your stocks.
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@brittlesnc, I have a question:

It's obvious (and correct IMO) that you give your article writing a BIG importance in your business... they are YOUR products, even more than those you sell. You are in the way I'm thinking of starting: Content marketing on top of SEO.

Don't you think it could be a good idea to reinvest an important part of your earnings in outsourcing your article writing (although you may also keep writing yourself). It will increase YOUR products in a short period of time.

Think of it as if it was an interest reinvestment in your stocks.
Would be hard to outsource something that she feels would be up to her standards. Probably impossible. The content she sends out must be top notch money cant buy stuff, which is probably why it gets published.

But maybe if she uses a standard template to contact website owners, she could outsource that part? Pay someone to find websites and emails of sites in her niche.

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@brittlesnc, I have a question:

It's obvious (and correct IMO) that you give your article writing a BIG importance in your business... they are YOUR products, even more than those you sell. You are in the way I'm thinking of starting: Content marketing on top of SEO.

Don't you think it could be a good idea to reinvest an important part of your earnings in outsourcing your article writing (although you may also keep writing yourself). It will increase YOUR products in a short period of time.

Think of it as if it was an interest reinvestment in your stocks.
Down the road I'll outsource the writing but right now I can't really afford it...not for the caliber of writing I would want...these aren't $5, $10 or even $25 articles I'm writing...

Not to say that these are extremely technical articles or that I'm an expert writer BUT these aren't cheap articles that could be outsourced to someone on Fiverr either...minimum I would say these articles would probably cost $40 each...

So I simply don't have the budget for outsourcing to the standard I want...

Moreover, from the tiny bit of outsourcing I've done in the past AND the stories I've read about outsourcing it's definitely not easy...first finding a writer who writes to the standard you want and who is reliable...and then keeping that person around once you find them...

Outsourcing it definitely kind of a learning curve and trial-and-error situation all it's own that at this present time I can't afford...

And the BIGGEST take away that you should get from article syndication is that it's more about quality over quantity...I'd rather have 10 really good articles over 50 or more articles that are so-so...

That and for 1 site, especially in the particular niche I'm in, I don't need a ton of content...

However, once I start going into many different niches and/or creating large/authority sites THEN I would definitely need to outsource...for now it's just not necessary...

And just keep in mind we all make the choice of how we want to run our IM endeavors/businesses so what works for me may not work for you and vice versa...


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Would be hard to outsource something that she feels would be up to her standards. Probably impossible. The content she sends out must be top notch money cant buy stuff, which is probably why it gets published.

But maybe if she uses a standard template to contact website owners, she could outsource that part? Pay someone to find websites and emails of sites in her niche.
Actually outsourcing the article writing wouldn't be "impossible" it just would be fairly expensive...at least based on my own personal budget and the little bit I'm making to start...

Consequently, it's the contacting website owners aspect that would be hard to outsource and based on what Alexa Smith has told me is an aspect of this process that is "inadvisable" to outsource...

She is a big believer in article syndication also being about forming relationships with website owners/publishers and according to her it's difficult to do this by sending out a "template" or "canned" email...

Likewise, there have been services that claim that they do this and most of them either didn't do a good job and went out of business...

OR the few that were actually any good still went out of business because the money made based on the investment of their time it took just wasn't worth it...

It would be interesting to get fellow warrior myob's perspective on this because he does this on a larger scale than most article marketers...but I think even he advises against outsourcing the email contact part of this even though he outsources EVERYTHING else...
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Would be hard to outsource something that she feels would be up to her standards. Probably impossible. The content she sends out must be top notch money cant buy stuff, which is probably why it gets published.
While it's probably true what you state, I imagine she is being rejected by many website owners because her guest blogging is not unique content (as she first get the articles indexed in her site). Maybe that outsourcing could be for offering that unique content (which she wouldn't be comfortable to publish on her site).

I recently stumbled upon a site about guest blogging, where he stated one interesting way to approach the big blogguers in your niche: become a common top-quality-commentator in his/her blog. Every blogger reads comments. In other words: build your image before asking for guest blogging.
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...minimum I would say these articles would probably cost $40 each...

So I simply don't have the budget for outsourcing to the standard I want...
$40 each... that's above 10 articles given your absolute total, no? Well, you may try with 2 or 3 and use the time you would have dedicated to writing those (you said you didn't write one for the last two weeks) just to contact more website owners.

You are right: article syndication is more about quality over quantity. However, I think that in the process of building your business, timing, making the most of your time and scaling up are crucial, so my idea goes in that direction. However, it's obviously YOUR business, and you know it better than anyone else.
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While it's probably true what you state, I imagine she is being rejected by many website owners because her guest blogging is not unique content (as she first get the articles indexed in her site). Maybe that outsourcing could be for offering that unique content (which she wouldn't be comfortable to publish on her site).

I recently stumbled upon a site about guest blogging, where he stated one interesting way to approach the big blogguers in your niche: become a common top-quality-commentator in his/her blog. Every blogger reads comments. In other words: build your image before asking for guest blogging.
The only problem with offering up unique content is that every time you want a piece of your content on that website owner's site you have to present them with a unique piece of content...

Just imagine if say 50 websites said 'yes' to getting unique content from you, and you would probably get that many websites to say 'yes' if not more, do you know how time consuming that would be if I did it on my own...

OR how expensive that would be if I outsourced it and only provided each 1 of those 50 websites with unique content even if it was only once a month...

The true beauty of article syndication is that you get to leverage each article to the MAX...so anytime I create an article I can send it to the websites that have agreed to publish it on their site regardless of if it's been published elsewhere...

Granted not all the websites that are apart of my article syndication network will use all of the articles that I send them but it's no hardship for me to send them an email each time I have a new article I want them to use...

Now compare that to having to create a brand new article for each website that has agreed to get content from you...that's either going to be a lot of work or a lot of money for outsourcing for an article they may turn down in the end (although I guess you could give it to another website owner/publisher who would want to use it)...

Right now I have 11 website owners who don't mind getting an article that has been published elsewhere and I have no doubt that I'll be able to at least find a few more like them...

Article syndication is about LEVERAGE and doing less over the long term...

Whereas guest posting is great for the initial traffic in the short-term but it's hard to maintain over the long term, especially if you want to guest post for multiple websites...

I'm not knocking guest posting...it has it's merits and it's benefits but for now I'm just going to focus on article syndication, especially since I first want to get this site off the ground...once that happens I'll maybe look into other methods of traffic generation...

And your comment about about being a "top commenter" on a blogger's site definitely has merit but I prefer to let my article be the basis for their decision on whether to use it or not...meaning I'd rather let my article stand on it's own merits...

Because you could leave the best comments on a blogger's site but it still doesn't mean that they'll like or even want an article from you...although if your allowed to link to your site from the comment you put on their site it wouldn't be a total waste even if they did say 'no' to your article(s) because their traffic could still make it's way over to your site...
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$40 each... that's above 10 articles given your absolute total, no? Well, you may try with 2 or 3 and use the time you would have dedicated to writing those (you said you didn't write one for the last two weeks) just to contact more website owners.

You are right: article syndication is more about quality over quantity. However, I think that in the process of building your business, timing, making the most of your time and scaling up are crucial, so my idea goes in that direction. However, it's obviously YOUR business, and you know it better than anyone else.
I appreciate your comments because they're actually making me think...

But again...outsourcing definitely has a learning curve and the little bit of it I've done in the past definitely tells me that when I'm trying to find a GOOD and RELIABLE writer that can be just as time consuming if not more time consuming than me just going ahead and writing the articles myself...at least in the beginning...

Not to mention giving that writer enough work where it's worth their wild to keep writing for you...

I know that most GOOD and RELIABLE writers have more than 1 client but those are usually the ones who either have more work than they can already handle (so that screws up deadlines from time-to-time) or they're even turning away new clients...

My point is that outsourcing isn't nearly as easy as some would have you believe...it's not really hard but it sometimes takes a bit of trial-and-error to find good workers if you don't already have them...and that kind of trial-and-error can get expensive...

Moreover, I didn't write an article for 2 weeks because my intentions are only to create 2-3 new articles per month for this site...that's enough for my purposes.
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Ah but if they said yes to a unique article, that's when you could outsource? Even if it is a $10 article, if it brings you subscribers and traffic for life, its a good investment. All this talking about outsourcing has given me an idea.

Why not use 20 percent of your profits to outsource whatever it is you want

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Ah but if they said yes to a unique article, that's when you could outsource? Even if it is a $10 article, if it brings you subscribers and traffic for life, its a good investment. All this talking about outsourcing has given me an idea.

Why not use 20 percent of your profits to outsource whatever it is you want
There are a few issues with that:

1. Some website owners won't say 'yes' to getting an article from you until you provide them with a sample of your work...not hard to do I know but still needs to be done...

2. Every once and awhile you'll get a website owner that even when they give you an article topic to write about still aren't happy with your work and who might even turn it down because it's not to their liking...so then you have to go back to your writer and either convince them to redo it OR pay them to make the necessary changes...

3. A $10 article is probably NOT going to be accepted by a good website...this is just opinion on my part but most $5 and $10 articles I've ever read aren't very good...they're either poor quality OR they're so dry, dull, boring and bland that it reads more like a college essay than an article designed to draw traffic and get subscribers...

4. The reason why I prefer article syndication over guest blogging is because of the LEVERAGE I get with article syndication that I don't get with guest blogging...

Again with article syndication if I do ever decide to outsource I could pay $100 for 1 really good article that I could send to 10 website owners/publishers who don't care if it's been published elsewhere...and that article would bring in a good number of visitors and result in a good number of subscribers...

Whereas with guest blogging 1 of 2 things would probably occur:

1. If I wanted a really good article I would still have to pay $100 for each article BUT if I wanted that really good article to appear on 10 websites that wanted "unique" content it would cost $1,000...and I'd get a good number of visitors to my site that would result in a good number of subscribers...

OR

2. I could pay $100 TOTAL for 10 "unique" articles to go on 10 websites but those articles would at best be boring and provide information that was already common knowledge/could be found in so many other articles across the web...the reality is that you can't expect much research or for an article to be compelling in any way for a mere $10...

And the result of those 10 so-so "unique" articles being published on those 10 websites is that you might get some traffic to your site and a few subscribers BUT the results wouldn't be as good as if those articles were better quality...

My whole point is that it's better to have 1 really good article than 10 so-so articles and at $10 each those articles best case scenario would be so-so...you almost always have to pay more for well-researched, informative and interesting articles that don't read like a college essay...

So again the problem with outsourcing GOOD articles for guest posting is that it will be expensive...plus you have NO leverage...anytime you want to guest post for MULTIPLE websites that only accept "unique" content you have to pay for EACH article...

Whereas with article syndication you can pay for 1 GOOD article and have it syndicated to MULTIPLE websites...that's called LEVERAGE...

But as I stated in a post above...everyone has to run their own business how they see fit...and at this time as much as I would love to outsource and get back an article that is to my standards I just can't justify the $100 article (okay maybe I could find someone who'd do it for $50) for article syndication let alone the more expensive route of guest posting...not until my site is producing more income...

My expenses aren't big between web hosting and Aweber...for now it's $30 per month but I do want to hold onto some money so I can eventually make the switch to self-hosted email marketing and because I know that I'm going to need a new laptop within the next few months...this 1 is barely holding on as it is...:p
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Why not use 20 percent of your profits to outsource whatever it is you want
In the future I do intend to outsource but for now I'm fine with doing the work for 1 website...

Although I think as far as finding workers good and reliable workers I'm going to ask for some recommendations so I don't burn through a decent amount of money trying to find them...

As I stated earlier...it's not very difficult to find good workers but it's definitely not easy...

Thanks for the posts though...I really do appreciate them because it shows that people actually want to see me succeed even if we don't agree 100% on how to go about making that happen.
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Made a sale today of product #1 so that brings my grand total to $481 and I now have 22 subscribers to my buyers' list...

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 5 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 3rd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 1 visitor to my site

- 5th website = 9 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 3 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 39 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 3 visitors to my site

- 10th website = 12 visitors to my site

- 11th website = 9 visitors to my site

And of the 85 visitors to my site today 9 subscribed...

As for what I accomplished today it wasn't a whole lot...I emailed 20 website owners and reconnected with a few others...worked on my 12th article but it's not finished...it will either be finished before I go to bed or first thing tomorrow hopefully...unless I make yet another change...:p

Website owner #11 with the personal blog published another 1 of my articles on their site for the 3rd day in a row (I don't get why they'd want to post 3 of my articles so quickly but it's their site so they can do it however they want)...and the last 1 that they're interested in unfortunately...hopefully they'll be interested in my 12th article when it's finished...
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And your comment about about being a "top commenter" on a blogger's site definitely has merit but I prefer to let my article be the basis for their decision on whether to use it or not...meaning I'd rather let my article stand on it's own merits...

Because you could leave the best comments on a blogger's site but it still doesn't mean that they'll like or even want an article from you...although if your allowed to link to your site from the comment you put on their site it wouldn't be a total waste even if they did say 'no' to your article(s) because their traffic could still make it's way over to your site...
I really think it works the other way around (like in real life): connections are even more important than your content. Sure your content MUST be top quality, but with no connections it's invisible in this huge blogosphere. I'm pretty sure that most of the website owners who rejected your content (especially those who didn't give you an answer) didn't even give it a chance, didn't even try to read them, didn't even open your email... because they didn't know you.

Frequent and quality comments on other bloggers' sites (especially the most important ones) is a free and easy way to be known by them. And AFTER being known by them, you could try the article syndication part.

I think it could be an easy way to try to use with those owners who said no to your proposition. Although it's time consuming, investing in building relationships is normally a good business... and you should dedicate time to read other top blogs in your niche (or related niches), so leaving a comment doesn't seem to be too much extra effort, no?

As I said, I have no experience (except my own offline life) to demonstrate this, but I like to share with you my thoughts... and I pretty like your challenge (I thought in something "similar" some weeks ago and then stumbled upon yours).
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Thanks for the comments...it's definitely something to consider but for now I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing...in the future I might do this but for now what I'm doing works pretty well...

Definitely something I'd considered in the future for the sites that I'm confident get a good amount of traffic because then I'd feel it was worth the extra time to comment on their site...

Would be interesting to hear how you do with the commenting if you do decide to get into article syndication...your experience with it would be enlightening not just for me but for others who are considering using article syndication as a method of traffic generation...

And I say you should go for creating your own challenge...not enough success stories on the WF...and to be frank not enough people taking any real action with the knowledge they have...

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I really think it works the other way around (like in real life): connections are even more important than your content. Sure your content MUST be top quality, but with no connections it's invisible in this huge blogosphere. I'm pretty sure that most of the website owners who rejected your content (especially those who didn't give you an answer) didn't even give it a chance, didn't even try to read them, didn't even open your email... because they didn't know you.

Frequent and quality comments on other bloggers' sites (especially the most important ones) is a free and easy way to be known by them. And AFTER being known by them, you could try the article syndication part.

I think it could be an easy way to try to use with those owners who said no to your proposition. Although it's time consuming, investing in building relationships is normally a good business... and you should dedicate time to read other top blogs in your niche (or related niches), so leaving a comment doesn't seem to be too much extra effort, no?

As I said, I have no experience (except my own offline life) to demonstrate this, but I like to share with you my thoughts... and I pretty like your challenge (I thought in something "similar" some weeks ago and then stumbled upon yours).
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All the thanks should go to you!

I'm working on it... but I need some time to make it happen the correct way.

Good luck!
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Good news today...I made 2 sales of product #1 which totals $36 for today and for a grand total of $517...and I now have 24 subscribers on my buyers' list...

And I think I made 1 of those sales because the person emailed me asking a question about the product and I gave them a pretty thorough and honest answer...

I think I'm going to make the fact that site visitors and subscribers can email me with questions more prominent in my marketing from here on out...

Anyway...

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 8 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 1 visitor to my site

- 3rd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 2 visitors to my site

- 5th website = 6 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 2 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 27 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 1 visitor to my site

- 10th website = 7 visitors to my site

- 11th website = 5 visitors to my site

And of the 61 visitors to my site today 6 subscribed...

As for what I accomplished today, I really spent the whole day finishing up my 12th article but also creating another article that I might make the 12th article instead and saving the other 1 for a later date...

The idea for the 2nd article for today was actually spurred on by that person's question I answered...so I'm going to use the article next I think...or maybe I'll just send them both out to my 11 publishers...haven't quite made up my mind yet but I will by the time they get indexed...

But really that's all I accomplished for the day which is fine because I put a lot of effort for both articles and I think as a result they both turned out pretty good.
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been watching you traffic and sub count daily and they are decreasing in numbers every day. You need to approach more and more people to syndicate your content.

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been watching you traffic and sub count daily and they are decreasing in numbers every day. You need to approach more and more people to syndicate your content.
This sounds so negative. She's been working her behind off to get here. She's makes sales almost everyday, she's doing awesome. And yes maybe that's the disadvantage of syndication but that's logical. Those syndicated articles probably won't bring in sustained traffic because they don't rank so well in Google. That's the only reason I question article syndication. Imagine your (unique) articles ranking in Google, it will bring in traffic for a long time. You never know until you test it. I will be testing it.
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This sounds so negative. She's been working her behind off to get here. She's makes sales almost everyday, she's doing awesome. And yes maybe that's the disadvantage of syndication but that's logical. Those syndicated articles probably won't bring in sustained traffic because they don't rank so well in Google. That's the only reason I question article syndication. Imagine your (unique) articles ranking in Google, it will bring in traffic for a long time. You never know until you test it. I will be testing it.
Wasnt being negative! pointing out a problem that needs to be looked at and trying to help! Apologies for any misunderstanding. I also mentioned about giving unique articles to high quality websites that say no to the syndication. For the extra time it takes to write the article, it could bring in the same amount of traffic that 3 days of syndication efforts would, and for a longer period of time!

however she is aware of this and is working very hard to get what she is doing currently down to a T. I do think that this could be turned into a better system though, by integrating guest posting into the equation! Lets wait and see if sh hits her target!

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been watching you traffic and sub count daily and they are decreasing in numbers every day. You need to approach more and more people to syndicate your content.
Not necessarily because if you notice any time I create a new article that my publishers want to use it usually goes back up...that's the beauty of having publishers that want to publish your content...if I want a boost in traffic all I need to do is send an article I think my publishers will like...

And with article syndication, since I have 11 publishers (so far) interested in publishing my articles even if they appear on other sites all I have to do is create 1 article and NOT 1 for each publisher which would total 11 if I went the "unique content"/guest posting route...

Creating 1 articles is definitely easier than having to create 11 articles every time I want a boost in traffic...

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This sounds so negative. She's been working her behind off to get here. She's makes sales almost everyday, she's doing awesome. And yes maybe that's the disadvantage of syndication but that's logical. Those syndicated articles probably won't bring in sustained traffic because they don't rank so well in Google. That's the only reason I question article syndication. Imagine your (unique) articles ranking in Google, it will bring in traffic for a long time. You never know until you test it. I will be testing it.
But imagine if you lost your Google ranking what would happen to your traffic...:p

Been there done that and it wasn't fun.

The reason why I'm liking the article syndication traffic is because it's less time consuming and expensive than ranking in Google...to rank for any decent and profitable keywords either takes a lot of time, effort and/or money...

Plus it can be taken out on whim of Google or some jerk who reports you to Google for "manipulating" their algorithm...which "technically" what SEO is...a manipulation/taking advantage of Google's algorithm...

To be perfectly honest I'm just tired of all the change ups and games with SEO...that and I don't want to reliant on Google for 50% or more of my traffic...it's just not a good situation to be in...

Also, Google is getting more and more secretive with their data...this wouldn't make SEO impossible nor exponentially difficult but it's definitely not making it easier...

What are your thoughts on Google not letting webmasters see incoming data to their own sites about which keyword phrases are bringing traffic to their site and how much traffic those keyword phrases are bringing in?

Do you like the changes they've made with their keyword tool? Have you been negatively impacted because of the changes they've been making or are you unaffected?

And warrior myob brings up a really good point about SEO vs article syndication in this post:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6285424

Another post about how he still gets the benefit of being in the top 10 of Google via article syndication:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4590376


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Wasnt being negative! pointing out a problem that needs to be looked at and trying to help! Apologies for any misunderstanding. I also mentioned about giving unique articles to high quality websites that say no to the syndication. For the extra time it takes to write the article, it could bring in the same amount of traffic that 3 days of syndication efforts would, and for a longer period of time!

however she is aware of this and is working very hard to get what she is doing currently down to a T. I do think that this could be turned into a better system though, by integrating guest posting into the equation! Lets wait and see if sh hits her target!
Seonutshell I think you really need to check out these posts that warrior myob made about "unique" content and why if you ever want to use article syndication on a large scale (which I do) why it would be a bad idea to guest post...

BIG POINT: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5312620

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4576835

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4321582

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5411820

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5563532

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5444140

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5947059

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7433015

There was a post of myob's that I was trying to find that offered a really good explanation/opinion of why guest blogging isn't as effective as article syndication but I can't find it...I'll try finding it and posting it later...
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Guys I'm not saying that guest blogging is a bad thing but it's just my opinion and the opinions of warriors that I consider an expert at article syndication (and they're even very knowledgeable about guest posting) that article syndication is by far more efficient and the better long term strategy when building a network of publishers who want to publish your content than guest blogging is...warriors like myob, Alexa Smith, tpw (who actually supports guest posting and commenting on sites before asking them to post your article on their site), JohnMcCabe, etc.

Some probably think I'm being pig-headed and stubborn about the guest blogging and not wanting to comment on their sites first before asking about posting my article on their site...and maybe I am but I have a plan (or call it a "vision" if you will) for how I would like to run my website(s)/business...and for now it doesn't include guest blogging and commenting on sites...

However, I am slowly coming to the realization that even though I may not want to use guest blogging and commenting that I shouldn't knock other people who want to...in fact, I should be more encouraging of people to do whatever it takes to drive more traffic to their sites...

Likewise, I'm also realizing that even though I started this challenge (mostly for my benefit) that it isn't all about me and that it should be read and used for the benefit of all...

So going forth I'm going to be more understanding and less defensive about people's point of view about how not just I but others can drive more traffic to their site(s)...but I do reserve the right to voice my opinion and choose whether I use the information for myself...still doesn't mean others can't use it for themselves obviously...

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Made a sale of product #1 today which brings my grand total to $535 and I now have 25 subscribers on my buyers' list...

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 6 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 0 visitors to my site

- 3rd website = 3 visitors to my site

- 4th website = 2 visitors to my site

- 5th website = 4 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 5 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 8th website = 21 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 10th website = 4 visitors to my site

- 11th website = 11 visitors to my site

And of the 56 visitors to my site today 6 subscribed...

As for what I accomplished...wasn't a whole lot today but I did make a few changes:

1. I made contacting me via email more prominent on both my website AND in my email marketing...

2. I took a close look at my stats and I noticed that there were some gmail users in particular that weren't opening my emails and my thinking is that maybe the new 'promotions' tab could be having a negative impact on my open/click rates among gmail users...

So I finally put up a page about "whitelisting" me and/or moving my email messages to the 'primary' tab...it may not help because these subscribers may genuinely be uninterested in my emails but I figure it couldn't hurt...

3. Made a few tweaks to both sites (freebie site and buyers' list site) to make them a little bit more visually appealing...

4. Looked over my buyers' list autoresponder series and made some changes...haven't been happy with the lack of sales for product #2 so I'm going to see if the changes I made improve sales for product #2...

Also, I sent out a handful of "reconnect" emails...

Moreover, I'm waiting for my 12th and 13th articles to be indexed on my site before sending them to my 11 publishers...hopefully that happens in the next day or 2...
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Hey there! Congrats one your consistent number one sales recently. Soon you will be on at least one per day and then beyond. And my suggestions are just what i would do,not trying to make you do things differently so soz if it cam across that way.

Are you training your buyers list to click on your links you send out? i have never had a buyers list, but heard that even in your content emails, you should get them to click on an interesting article link or something. Its the same as sending them great content in between promos to train them to actually open your emails. What are your open rates on each list BTW?

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Hey there! Congrats one your consistent number one sales recently. Soon you will be on at least one per day and then beyond. And my suggestions are just what i would do,not trying to make you do things differently so soz if it cam across that way.

Are you training your buyers list to click on your links you send out? i have never had a buyers list, but heard that even in your content emails, you should get them to click on an interesting article link or something. Its the same as sending them great content in between promos to train them to actually open your emails. What are your open rates on each list BTW?
Yes, my buyers' list is trained to click on links...

My open rate for my freebie list is a little over 70% and my buyers' list there's only 1 person of the now 25 subscribers that seems to have stopped opening emails and clicking the links inside those emails...
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Some really good news today...but I'll explain that later.

I made 1 sale today of product #1 so that brings my grand total to $553 and I now have 26 subscribers on my buyers' list...

Today's stats:

- 1st website = 7 visitors to my site

- 2nd website = 2 visitors to my site

- 3rd website = 1 visitor to my site

- 4th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 5th website = 2 visitors to my site

- 6th website = 3 visitors to my site

- 7th website = 1 visitor to my site

- 8th website = 16 visitors to my site

- 9th website = 0 visitors to my site

- 10th website = 17 visitors to my site

- 11th website = 6 visitors to my site

And of the 55 visitors to my site today 7 subscribed...

As for what I accomplished today...I emailed 20 website owners...I created 1 new message for both autoresponder series...

I got some replies back from website owners I've emailed in the past and didn't get a response from, and I got a few replies back from website owners I've reconnected with...there were 7 replies and only 1 agreed to use my content...2 articles...it was the website owner from about a week ago that wanted to think it over (along with website owner #10)...

He's going to publish the 1st article on his tomorrow and the 2nd article on his site the day after (Thursday)...my main concern is that because he's not going to post my content on his homepage but rather a page that's kind of tucked away that I'm not really going to get much traffic...

However, that may be a bit disappointing but I'm too excited about the good news I got today...

Just when I thought that I wasn't going to get a response to any of the 10 snail mail requests I sent out last week...BAM...I get an email from 1 of the recipients.

In the snail mail requests I included my complete contact information, i.e., home address, email and a phone number that I could be reached at...I got an email from a site that I'm very interested in getting my content on...

She emailed me saying that she was interested in 6 of my articles...in the letter to her I included 3 of my what I thought were my best articles and the Ezinearticles link that would lead her to the rest of my portfolio...she was interested in 2 of the 3 articles I mailed to her and 4 more inside my Ezinearticles account.

We actually had a nice chat batting emails back and forth...I even got her to explain why she was more receptive to my request via snail mail as opposed to the 2 occasions I had emailed her site previously...

She explained that she gets a ton of emails requesting if she can put someone's content on her site...when she first started her site 3 years ago she used to read all those emails and for every 100 or so she might be interested/use their content...

But as time when on and her site got bigger (and more demanding of her time) she was getting bombarded with email requests...so much so that she just decided 1 day that she was going to ignore those emails...

It wasn't worth her time reading through emails requesting that she use their content and she didn't want 1 of her 3 "staff members" handling those emails either...just wasn't worth it in her opinion...

Plus she already had a decent number of writers that worked exclusively on her site, a few guest bloggers, and a couple of people who (like me) syndicated their content to her if she felt it was good enough and suited her purposes...

However, the reason why I was able to break through is because I sent her a letter with my writing samples...apparently she doesn't get a lot of snail mail for her business so she's not bombarded with requests through snail mail about publishing writers' content...and she of course would be more "reachable" through snail mail because she opens her mail and actually reads it.

She actually got my letter Thursday or Friday (she can't remember) but she said she got busy and forgot to get back to me sooner until she came across a note she made to herself to email me (she apparently likes to be the 1 to make contact/a connection with "her" writers personally rather than delegating it to a "staff member")...

As for her site...it's a general women's health and beauty site that posts multiple pieces of content per day...it's a pretty big site that appears to get a decent amount of traffic.

Her plan for my content is to publish 1 article per day every day for the next 6 days starting on Thursday...I told her that I can send her more content as I create it...and she was interested...she provided me with an email that she apparently gives to her writers as a direct way to send her their articles/content (it's an email address that's not published on the site...at least not from what I could tell)...

Anyway, I'm very excited about what kind of traffic this could mean for my site.

Consequently, I couldn't send her my 12th and 13th articles because they still haven't been indexed to my site yet.

Moreover, website owner #10 published 1 of my articles today...last week he mentioned he was interested in 3 of my articles...today was the 2nd article he published...only 1 left...don't know when he'll publish it...but it's another opportunity to get a spike in traffic.

All-and-all I consider today a good day.

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But imagine if you lost your Google ranking what would happen to your traffic...:p

Been there done that and it wasn't fun.

The reason why I'm liking the article syndication traffic is because it's less time consuming and expensive than ranking in Google...to rank for any decent and profitable keywords either takes a lot of time, effort and/or money...

Plus it can be taken out on whim of Google or some jerk who reports you to Google for "manipulating" their algorithm...which "technically" what SEO is...a manipulation/taking advantage of Google's algorithm...

To be perfectly honest I'm just tired of all the change ups and games with SEO...that and I don't want to reliant on Google for 50% or more of my traffic...it's just not a good situation to be in...

Also, Google is getting more and more secretive with their data...this wouldn't make SEO impossible nor exponentially difficult but it's definitely not making it easier...

What are your thoughts on Google not letting webmasters see incoming data to their own sites about which keyword phrases are bringing traffic to their site and how much traffic those keyword phrases are bringing in?
Yes, to be depended on Google is not a good thing. But what I wanted to say is that you are not trying to rank your own site but rather the unique articles you write on the partner sites. I have some unique articles on sites that keep giving traffic everyday. The visitors I get from those articles are really targeted and make good sales from it. So, my plan is to scale that up. And when there's a Google update it might that some articles will go down in rankings but other will go up, that's what I have seen so far. Imagine you have a hundred articles on partner sites. You have traffic coming in from 100 sites, it will be highly unlikely that all of them will go down in rankings. Some will go up and other will go down. But if those are good articles, shared socially, linked to etc. It will give you traffic for a long time (depending on your niche also of course).

Think for a moment. You are emailing websites that you find in Google. It means they have good ranking in Google. Every webmaster know these days about SEO. And since the big Penguin update in 2012 things have changed. Before it was not a bad thing to post some duplicate articles on your site. But now, it is, and all web masters know that. Even unique guest posts could be frown upon by Google. And those web masters care about it because they rank in Google. If you have a really big authority site then you still can syndicate content, as long as it not too much.

I'm only saying this because you seem to target sites you find in Google and most of those websites care about their ranking I think.

I checked out your links and MYOB says in order to get 2 or 3 syndication partners you have to email 20 to 30 sites. That's a 10% conversion (that post he made was in 2011). You have a conversion rate around 1.2%. Of course it has nothing to do with you but the market has changed. Years ago not every webmaster knew about SEO, but now everyone knows about it. And if they want guest articles written then they want unique ones. I'm wondering what conversion rate MYOB has these days by using this same method.

I think when you target magazines, newsletters, offline publications etc. that your conversion rate will be much higher. At the moment you target websites with good rankings in Google and those sites will get the biggest portion of visitors from Google. So, they are wary what content they post on sites.

Also, before 2012 it was a good method to get search engine rankings by posting (syndicated) articles on other people's sites. (You gave notion that MYOB was getting increased traffic from search engines). These days that won't work anymore.

Google not showing referral keywords is a shame, but actually, I look at the traffic of the page, and if it make sales. If it does then you can market that particular page to increase traffic. I don't understand that people always talking about their ranks in Google and not about traffic to their pages. It happens often that you rank highly but traffic is minimum, so better see what ranks and have good conversions then to trying to rank for specific keywords is my thinking.

Like you I'm tired of Google too. And you don't want to be depended on Google. And I believe setting up a syndication partner list would be wonderful, but when I see your stats I think it's a lot harder these days than before. You did an incredible job of mailing more then 800 people. You now have a list of 13 sites and while they could be willing to publish your articles in the future it's not unlikely to think that a few of them will stop using your content. If you would have a 10% conversion you would have 100 sites which would be much more stable. I'm not trying to talk you down it's just my thinking and reading about your experiences. We all have to adjust and innovate.


You now have found a new way to contact publishers that could work much better for you, so you probably going to focus on that more and to start mailing magazines, newsletters etc.


It's just a matter of trying and see what works right? But writing some unique articles won't be a bad idea also I think. If your conversion rate will be around 10% you saving a lot of time also. Ok, lets calculate.. It takes you 3 hours to email 20 sites on average. You have let say 1% conversion which means you need to email 100 sites for 1 partner. You spend 15 hours to email 100 sites. If you would have a 10% conversion you only have to spend 1.5 hour to find a partner. The thing is you write a unique article for them. I'm not sure how long you spend to write an article though. But, the possibility for that articles to rank in Google is higher I think, and giving you more traffic in time. If you spend 1.5 hour for writing one article you could have written 10 unique articles for the same amount of time find one syndicated partner. Which would have to publish at least ten articles for similar results. You might spend more time on it I don't know. I would say try it out with 10 articles or so and see if it will give you longer term traffic and if you have a higher conversion rate.
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