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Does anyone have experience with both of these programs? Or at least one or the other?

What I need is a membership solution that integrates with a shopping cart (preferably PayPaL), a website and forum.

And something that is easy to use, implement and setup. I could figure it out myself but I really don't have any interest in doing that. I need to focus on content, leads and sales.

Do you have experience with either of these programs for these functions? If so, what has been your experience?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author techservice
    Yes - lots of experience deploying membership scripts.

    Kajabi is point and click you don't really need any techie experience, this would work well if you want to do it yourself.

    DAP requires some knowledge, given what you have just said I would suggest you get someone to do it for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineStoreHelp
    Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

    Does anyone have experience with both of these programs? Or at least one or the other?

    What I need is a membership solution that integrates with a shopping cart (preferably PayPaL), a website and forum.

    And something that is easy to use, implement and setup. I could figure it out myself but I really don't have any interest in doing that. I need to focus on content, leads and sales.

    Do you have experience with either of these programs for these functions? If so, what has been your experience?

    Thanks!
    DAP user and a huge fan. It integrates with practically everything now a days whether its wordpress, forum software and shopping carts. They even have their own shopping cart. Like anything, the more functionality it has, the harder it is to get set up.

    Pros:

    Can protect Wordpress sites, HTML, Forums, does it all. Easy to set up with wordpress but is actually an application with a wordpress plugin. It is why it protects things so well.
    Integrates with tons of payment options
    integrates with vVullentine, Xenforo, BBPress and others
    Drip Content
    Integrates affiliate program
    Integrates with SMTP clients

    Cons
    Slight learning curve but, getting easier every day, plus they have complete walk throughs
    Kinda an ugly application but who cares, it works great
    A tad pricey at $169 for one site but still cheaper then Kajabi

    Someone please correct me if I am wrong but Kajabi doesn't integrate with forums (does it have its own maybe?) but is its own standalone system. If I wanted hosted in this case, I would check out Nanacast as well but really, Digital Access Pass will do everything you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    Thank for your responses.

    What I like aboit Kajabi is that it is apparently more user friendly. What I don't like is that it is stand alone and not really "integrated" with my current site.

    How big of a "learning curve" is there with DAP? I've set up OptimizePress with S2Member before. But I don't feel like having to watch a video for every step of the freaking setup process.

    I've got a big launch coming up and I really need to focus on the sales and product. I don't really want to spend all of my time stumbling my way through the setup.
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    • Profile picture of the author OnlineStoreHelp
      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      Thank for your responses.

      What I like aboit Kajabi is that it is apparently more user friendly. What I don't like is that it is stand alone and not really "integrated" with my current site.

      How big of a "learning curve" is there with DAP? I've set up OptimizePress with S2Member before. But I don't feel like having to watch a video for every step of the freaking setup process.

      I've got a big launch coming up and I really need to focus on the sales and product. I don't really want to spend all of my time stumbling my way through the setup.
      If you did S2 Member, you shouldn't have a problem. It used to be you had to FTP in the application but they have it set up you can now install it via plugin in wordpress. I actually find, figuring out the structure (OP for example) and building that out is harder then setting up a product in DAP.

      Install it via plugin in wordpress
      Put in your license code
      Set up your Cron Job per their instruction (in the plugin no less)
      Get your content set up
      Set up a Product in DAP - Super easy if it is just paypal standard
      Integrate your auto responder - quite easy actually (listname@aweber.com for example)

      Don't be scared to follow directions. Our first instinct is to start pushing buttons but if you follow their instructions, you can have everything set up in less than an hour. Again, I found setting up the wordpress site and course structure takes longer then setting up DAP.

      Oh yeah, it integrates with Mandrill and others right from within the system so you can bypass your own hosting company email systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author blogmarketer
    I don't own Kajabi but I do own DAP.

    I did a LOT of research prior to purchasing, and have to say I'm a very happy customer.

    As has already been said, the feature set is very full, but as with anything this involved it can be a bit daunting. I'm not a techno-geek but I am reasonably competent, and I was able to do everything I set out to do with DAP.

    Oh, and I'm using it with OptimizePress (original version, not v2).

    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    I just looked through the documentation and it looks like a lot of work. Jesus. I guess I only need it functioning enough for this lsunch and then I can build out the rest after. About how long do you think it would take to set up a sales page, upsell page (both already written, coded and uploaded) along with 2 membership levels, aweber integration and payment integration. I am looking at the monthly payment option.

    Thanks. I appreciate all of your input.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    I went with DAP. But wow, what a mess. This is what happens when programmers also handle design. Same thing that makes Google suck so bad. Possibly a great product, but the usability is crippling.

    I'll see how it goes but this is almost not worth it.
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    • Profile picture of the author blogmarketer
      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      I went with DAP. But wow, what a mess. This is what happens when programmers also handle design. Same thing that makes Google suck so bad. Possibly a great product, but the usability is crippling.

      I'll see how it goes but this is almost not worth it.
      Maybe it's just me, but I learned to appreciate the user interface.

      Granted it's not terribly pretty, but it's a very sophisticated program with a LOT of functionality. After using it for a long time, I've come to see the user interface as very logical in terms of it's functions. It makes complete sense to me now.

      Kim
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      • Profile picture of the author Jerry Roberts
        The reality is that all of these systems come with a list of negatives and you need to choose carefully, deciding which is least objectionable.

        If you want ease of use but extremely high costs, you go with Kajabi. A marketer with a max of 12,500 members would pay about $3,600 a year. If you go over that number of members, their support says you pay 15 cents per month for each additional. Someone who had a number of membership sites built and who hit 25,000 members, would pay over $26,000 annually to Kajabi.

        Free membership programs might be challenging under the weight of these costs, unless you're getting close to the stereotypical IM number of $1.00 in revenue for each, per month, through affiliate deals and other means.

        If you've got thousands of people paying you $10 a month for a membership, these costs aren't likely to be an issue.

        DAP has a bigtime learning curve but is a solution you host, so the same costs factors don't apply. Their platinum program is about $500 per year and you can have as many members as you want without paying extra.

        Another post in this thread had this: "I went with DAP. But wow, what a mess. This is what happens when programmers also handle design."

        That's a fair point. Design is important. However, if the creator isn't interested in spending the money to make things simpler, there is another way.

        If I would opt for DAP, I'd try to source a DAP wizard somewhere -- if they exist in the freelance realm -- and pay them to handle the setup and any problems that surface.

        Once you get a good site that runs smoothly, I'm guessing you could clone that and use it as a starter for another project, then bring the DAP wizard back to customize it as needed.

        And, of course, if you outsource your technical work this brings up its own set of potential issues.

        So...

        Either you pay through the teeth for something like Kajabi; you pay in a ton of time to learn DAP; or you pay in the challenges and frustration of working with freelancers.

        The bottom line: almost nobody escapes. You just have to pick your pain.
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  • Profile picture of the author C G
    I was using DAP some years ago. It was good.

    Since optimizepress 2.0, i'm using the optimize member plugin. Very easy to setup and it does the job. (i did it without watching the tutorials )

    Cheers,

    C.G.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    I'm getting close to launch. It hasn't been as difficult as it initially seemed. I will be testing tomorrow and will find out for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    Testing was a an absolute mess. In the end, I had to go with a different provider. Wow. I was able to get everything accomplished in 4 hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    I've used both and like both.

    With that said, almost all programs I have are Kajabi powered now. It's a very simple platform and as a vendor you can focus on traffic, marketing, and content...and not any techie stuff or maintenance.

    With that said, centralization and point and click type platforms are generally less flexible and versatile. So if you are okay working within that bounds of what Kajabi offers, it's a great platform. If you prefer more flexibility at the cost of more maintenance and tech time, then DAP is probably better.

    PS...I have 30+ Kajabi portals at the moment. I always prefer simplicity.
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  • Profile picture of the author ravijayagopal
    Hi @OnlineStoreHelp , Kim @blogmarketer and @Kenster,

    Thank you all for your comments about DAP.

    @JerryRoberts, another thing with DAP, is that with our Concierge service, you get 1-on-1 setup help. Within those 2 hours, most people easily figure out how to use DAP. Once you get a hang of it, you will actually see that it is laid out pretty intuitively, and like Kim said in a post above.. "After using it for a long time, I've come to see the user interface as very logical in terms of it's functions. It makes complete sense to me now."

    That's how most DAP users end up feeling. Once you "get" the flow, you'll notice that it is actually laid out very logically, and if you have ever used another membership plugin before, you may even wonder how you managed without DAP previously :-)

    A lot of the options in DAP may not be obvious in the beginning, but as you get deeper and deeper into your site, set up more products, and sign up more users, you'll start having the more advanced "How do I do THAT but not THIS?" type of questions. And at almost every turn, there will probably be an answer for that in DAP via a configurable option. While that may lead to some overwhelm in the beginning if you start pushing buttons too soon without understanding the flow, almost everyone appreciates the more advanced features as their site grows.

    DAP is something that both you and your members can easily grow into and scale at even very large numbers. And because everything is self-hosted on your site, there are virtually no limitations, and you do not pay for additional users or products, or even emails sent. And every additional component you need to scale even more - like Amazon S3 for videos and media, or Amazon SES or Mandrill or ActiveCampaign or WooCommerce or JVZoo or Warrior Payments for the extra stuff, DAP integrates with all of them, and will turn into your most trusted hub for all your products, content and affiliates, and has the potential to become your entire "Marketing & Content Delivery Platform".

    Cheers!

    - Ravi Jayagopal
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