PPC Classroom

You have trouble, trouble what?

Amit is not the guy behind it, he's just helping out like Jeremy Palmer did, who also makes over $2M a year at PPC. Amit knows his stuff, join up. the info there is top class.

I was a member and for me the PPC Classroom version 1 was good but what I liked the most was that Jeremy Palmer was involved. The membership for me was not worth it and I stayed there to long. I also didn't like some other things but I won't get into details here.

Version 2 is with Amit Mehta and he seems to know what he is talking about.

Version one was $500. This one is $77.

I'd say if you want to get into Adwords it could very well be worth it to you but you need to really consider how you like the membership the first 30 days. That's the part I found useless. It may not be useless to everyone.

I canceled so I don't think I can get version 2 for free. I think PPC Classroom 1 owners are supposed to get version 2 also but I'm no longer in the monthly membership.

If you want to get this I would recommend you buy through Jeremy Palmer's link because he is giving ihs PPC Classroom 1 as a bonus for anyone who buys PPC Classroom 2 through his link.

I don't mind recommending that cause I think he's a top notch guy.

He's also got a whole free training course at the Black Ink Project and his great e-book is free too. Google him and you'll find him.

What's the upsell after you paid $77? Don't like all the launches that surprise you with the "really" good stuff after their lowly priced item...

The upsells revolve around niches handed to you, a copy of a prior seminar and other stuff. There are a lot of upsells.

I think it should be a good one. $77 Is not bad

from what iv heard i think ill wait a while before stumping up.

although by then there will proberbly be let anouther "miricule guide"

Some people don't understand that the upsells are good marketing. They are teaching their customers how to buy from them.

It raises customer value, and if the additional information and training warrants the price, than why would you be upset with them offering it to you?

Marketers who sell a front end product and that's it go broke. It's as simple as that.

Look at Filsaime and Stomper. Theres a reason they make 8 figures a year and it's not because they stop at 1 front end product in their sales process.

Frank Kern does a $297 forced continuity on a $1997 product. Then he sold a Platinum coaching program at the free seminar he held for all customers - BUT the value is there - and that's what really matters.

His higher end customers get more personal access and coaching, his monthly members get great content, and he gets PAID. It's a win-win

It's way more constructive to learn from peoples' sales processes than to criticize them.

You wouldn't find flaws in things if you just default them as being right. Analysis and criticism is useful when done objectively and creatively.

Jay, I think it's because people are promised the world upfront and then are let down by being bombarded with OTOs and Upsells after they decide to pay for the introductory product. This makes them feel that what they originally decided after (sometimes, long) consideration is not good enough and feel deceived into getting the first product just to be coerced (so to speak) into entering a crazy maze of "super size its" that basically send the message or at least is interpreted by the customer as "You won't make it without this extra stuff or will be handicapped just with the original product". You can argue about it but that's the psychology and arguing logic isn't going to change it. And I believe that at least at some level people's reasoning in this situation isn't always emotional and has good reasoning behind it.

Doubt enters the mind and thoughts like "Well if I don't get that coaching and I don't get this and I don't get that I am going to be at a disadvantage. I won't have the edge that others have because I can't afford all that and so then what's the point?.. I probably won't be able to get everything I can out of the original product plus I feel duped and I am tired of feeling like I am being played with"

There may be those who don't understand the profitability in this model but many others do, and they aren't necessarily ignorant of it. But the bottom line is that even if they recognize the potential in upsells, OTOs, cross sells, etc., at that moment they are a customer who is parting with their cash and being taken on an emotional roller coaster ride who may resent the seller for feeling like were being played with and that's it as far as I am concerned.

And let's face it - most people who buy these are not experts who are even in a position and have any sort of anything they could truthfully call a business to which they can apply these models.

They are people who are at some level of desperation who may or may not cut it at this sort of stuff at any rate regardless of where their motivation comes from (either buying a dream or are in serious or in the right state of mind).

A lot of people knee jerk into accusing people of being scammers and have joy in bitching in defaming others but taht doesn't mean that all grievances are invalid.

Probably more often than not it is the sellers fault (I'm not necessarily saying it's the case here) because they make big promises that they don't deliver in order to get people through the door.

I don't blame these guys for doing what they do. They are in business and if I ever have the opportunity I will upsell and do OTOs, too, but ether will always be those who are in a situation, state of mind, special circumstances and in a place in their life that will help dictate whether or not what is in front of them or the loop they fall into has value or not and rightfully so.

These sellers need to accept, if they don't, that often they create the disappointment people experience.

Yea, customers need to take responsibility but as long as some of these guys do some things the way they do they will make people resentful and they can be okay with that (I don't blame them too much because you can't please everyone) but they have to accept it and there's no point arguing because like I said at the time they are generally people at some level of desperation and if they feel like you're being slimy they will get mad and they can actaully be right and not wrong regardless of whether they recognize the model they are using.

As far as value that is in the eye of the beholder. For all my wanting to quit smoking and using the methods in the Mass Control monthly in order to keep my membership I was disappointed in the last issue. I have canceled. To me it was a joke. But to the next person it may be the bomb. It all depends.

Anyway I'm done rambling.

I've read the posts here and a lot of it sounds familiar to the first launch.

Amit no doubt knows what he is doing but I also have little doubt that one thing he will recommend is that you have to do what is necessary to keep your campaigns going even if it means taking a risk like getting a credit card, spend thousands if need be and hope to make even in profit to pay that off and that is going to be scary to people.

For anyone who doesn't want to do that you will have to take the long and patient road, limit your budget to what is comfortable and be willing to wait much longer.

I think the original offer will be good even without the OTOs, so it could be a great investment for a lot of people, but you may want to get Jeremy Palmer's bonuses or someone else's. Like I said before Jeremy Palmer is giving away PPC Classroom version 1 for buying through his link.

But if you have bought other Adwords ebooks and even a couple of higher priced Adwords courses, you might not need this. Try it if you want and if you don't like it then get your money back.

I feel like I wasted my time cause it's always the same song and dance at these launches but if I helped anyone with my post then there you go.

All valid points. And first I just want to be clear, I'm in no way affiliated with PPC classroom, and I don't promote them either, so I can't say a thing about the pros or cons of their actual product.

The point i'm making is that every single time a new product launches, people flock to the forum to bitch about the upsells, the oto's, the continuity, etc

Whereas if they learned from the actual sales processes themselves they would clearly see how these dudes are making as much money as they do.

And just like you said. The content for MCM wasn't valuable for you, so you discontinued.

No one can't do that.

I totally agree - you should learn from the good and the bad. It's a great way to find what to do, and what not to do.

As an FYI regarding the site issues...

These guys had everything ready to go on their end in preparation for a HUGE roll out launch. Several servers, backup server, all kinds of goodies.

But that didn't stop the problems. There were apparently some issues with their MySQL - the fault of their server company. It didn't rear it's ugly head until launch time.

I'm sure they will have everything sorted soon. Including any unauthorized or double charges. Just keep checking back with them.

Mike

I think you can learn a lot from the upsells People need to do what is best for themselves (like the merchant is doing with upsells). If you do not want something - don't buy it.

So far - good stuff. But I'm a little suprised at your "find it hard to believe" comment. You've never used PPC?

Ok the PPC Classroom 2.0 launch had its hiccups, I would like to add my .02 cents here

1) The upsells - personally I am not a big fan of the series of upsells. Mike Filsaime compares the digital product upsell to adding a coke to your meal at your burger joint. However unlike digital product upsell, in the coke analogy I have already had a coke so its not a big decision to make.

I saw these series of upsell firsthand when I took up the 7 figure secrets trial offer and it felt like, hello just let me complete the damn order. However when you look at it from a marketers perspective you will realize that you may not always be able to satisfy 100% of you customers. So turns into a numbers game.

If you are going to have 98% happy customers and 2% not so happy customers (because of your upsell), would you want to make "X dollars" or would you want to make "5X dollars"?
(Assuming you over deliver on the value promised irrespective of the customer bought the upsell or not)

2) Regarding the tech issues with PPC Classroom, I agree it was a mess. Now being a JV partner its a bigger mess for me because I am sending PPC traffic and when that damn sales page dosen't load means I am losing money. However I have launched membership sites and do know that sometimes there are hiccups.

I do understand that as a customer if I dont get instant access to the product that I ordered I would be pissed. I guess PPC Classroom has the support system built into the same private member area, so that might be the reason why some of you may not be able to access the support.

Anik runs several membership sites and I am sure he will fix the tech issues shortly, however if you are still paranoid shoot me a PM with your name and email that you used to order ppc classroom and I will forward that to the affiliate manager at PPC Classroom. I doing this just as a fellow warrior and I dont promise the response you will get.

3) now the bigger question several people have asked here about the value ppc classroom 2.0

I have been a member of PPC classroom since the time it launched in Oct 2007. And I have also reviewed whats inside PPC Classroom 2.0. V 2.0 is completely different from V1.0 and has keyword manipulation tools, landing page templates and graphics packages.

For $77 (even if you dont buy any of the upsells) I can tell you , you will get 20x what you will learn from a $47 ebook on clickbank.

However I will tell you this, its not a miracle solution, you will still need to put in $10-$20 a day for your ad campaigns and work your a** of to make a profitable campaign.

Tech issues aside, it was worth the money for me.

I have been doing affiliate marketing via PPC for 7 months now and I am making a decent living with it. After reading the sales page, I realized that I am already familiar with most of the material. However, they covered one aspect I wanted to know more about.

That one aspect (1 Module in the training related to Keywords) alone was worth much more than the price tag. For me personally. It was a light bulb moment. I was doing the complete opposite of what I was suppose to be doing and I STILL made money. I have now implemented the change, still too early for results, but my eyes were opened. This one aspect alone will make me a truck load of money in the next 12 monts.

In my personal opinion, thats what it is all about. Learning something that you can implement that will increase your profit. And for $77? Cmon!

I am looking forward to meeting other PPCC members in the PPCC Forum once it is opened. One thing is certian, the networks are going to be sending me bigger checks in the months to come.

AffiliatePPC

Well, I can tell you this, for those that get in now, are going to save a BIG AMOUNT! And I mean HUGE!

I was one and still am one of the PPC Classroom 1.0 guys, I paid $500 to get into the course then $49.97 a month thereafter to access the forum and all the information there.

Now, you guys are getting it for $77.00 and then $29.97 thereafter each month... You've also got more information to view, far much more than PPC C 1.0 guys had...

Anyone who doesn't take Anik up on this offer, must have rocks in their head - no offense ment, btw...

Seriously... I took a long time out from PPC before coming across PPC Classroom, and lost about $6,000.00.

After joining, I was down to about 12k more, I figured I had missed some critical information, and sure I had after searching the forums and asking Jeremy Palmer who was on the team during the first version, and he helped fill in some gaps that I had over looked.

I now spend around $100k a month, sometimes less, sometimes a little more returning not a big amount, but pops into the 30% ROI area every once in a while.

Now you guys are getting Amit on the team showing you even more tricks of the trade.

Jump in! You'll be glad you did.

So does any body have any thing worth while to say about the actual content of the product. I've looked at it several times and am still interested but not ready to jump for the buy button.

Let me get this straight - you pay pay $77 for the trial and $29.97 thereafter each month. That gets you access to the automation tools. There are 3 OTO's - one for $97 (videos), another for 3 niches $297 month, and last but not least a final OTO for a $700 month coaching.

What you are to believe on the sales page is the you can do this successfully for $77 for the trial and $29.97 after. But all the hidden behind the buy button costs make me think differently.

A lot of talk and testimonials on the sales page from PPC Classroom 1 how much they make collectively. Don't say how many people in that group and how many are making money and how many not. The first 5 testimonials at the top of the page seem to be from people using PPC C2 but the 10 down below although framed with a large title that says "Customer Testimonial PPC Classroom 2 new" but at the bottom says (small print) "** This testimonial is from last year's course..." - which was PPC C1 not C2. I find those type of sales copy techniques less than honest. Kinda used car salesman tactics. If something is good you need to inflate the balloon. Guess they had to fill the page with something. How about telling about all the upsells and true cost.

That said I'm still on the fence of buy or not. Some of the people here defending the product I recognize as a launch partner(s) or affiliate(s) with something to gain so I'm dismissing your post(S) when I decide. I'm either on your list or I found you via Google. I may still buy via your link I just want to hear from people not making a buck on it.

I bought yesterday and received access to the member's area a few hours later. What I'm waiting on now is access to the forum. I have some questions on some campaigns I want to put up ASAP.
Overall, I like the content, I've gotten some good ideas in the introductory info. The videos sometimes won't play so i download them. but so far so good, i have no complaints.
I have to get some campaigns up before i can report on results. matter of fact, i might blog about that. in addition, time permitting, i may do a post here on my results

Hi John,

I understand you are a bit sceptical of a review from a launch partner/affiliate, however I have made video of whats inside ppc classroom and show how to use some of the tools too. You can find that video in my signature.

Even if you don't buy the upsells, new bonuses are being added today. And these are not some hyped up stuff but real products that are being sold right now for way more than the $77 price tag on ppc classroom 2.0

Here is some of the bonuses that is being added to ppc classroom 2.0 just for today and it seriously blows the bonuses of launch partner/affiliates.. damn it..
1. Affiliatextreme - Mark Ling ($197)
2. AffiliateUprising & HexaTrack - Amish Shah ($2,000)
3. Premium NicheBot - Jim Morris ($382)
4. Google Cash v2 - Chris Carpenter ($67)
5. SECRET COURSE - Andre Chaperon ($497)
6. Keyword Butler - MindValley Team ($147)
7. SpeedPPC - Jay Stockwell ($397)
8. Negative Keyword Smackdown - Mark Roth ($247)
9. LIVE PPC Event - Howie Schwartz ($1,000)

I seriously doubt if anyone can make a better offer for $77.

Hi Brendan, You will get those bonuses if you have already purchased ppc classroom 2.0.

Is the addition of bonuses after the initial launch, part of the launch strategy or is it a sign that the product isn't selling as well as expected and needs a push?

Okay, I went and bought it today just because of a couple of the bonuses.

I haven't looked at it yet and I know 99% I won't keep the membership (based on my last experience - it was 90% worthless to me) but I'll try to remember to say what I think here after I look at it. If it's not worth it to me, I will get a refund. Even if it isn't (main product) but I like the bonuses I won't get a refund, but if I'm not happy enough with all of it in general I will.

This is what I did when I ordered:

First page:

I did get the first 30 day free niche thing. I did this not because of the niche. Everybody is going to have the same niches and keywords so what's the point. I did it because of the videos. It might be interesting to see what criteria Amit has for picking a niche and to watch him do it.

I opted to learn more about the 7 videos.

Second page:

The videos were what I figured. They are the videos from PPC Classroom live 2007. We were supposed to get these for free, but then we didn't but they eventually uploaded presentations from 2 speakers. I got miffed about this last time so now I said "No Thanks I'd rather learn this on my own" choosing not to get the videos. If I remember right most people who got them said they were okay but overall no big woop.

Third page:

This is for "Look over my shoulder" videos. I didn't get it (Something similar to this should probably have been part of the main purchase, but whatever). If they keep their promise with the main product what is told in these videos should generally be covered in the PDFs. If I don't, I'm getting a refund.

So to all you lucky people there are still 143 left instead of 142 :-D

Fourth page:

Same offer as above at 50% off but you get the videos after they are done. So if you were to get the offer on page 3 then reconsider whether you absolutely need to attend live. If not then just say NO and get them half off when it asks you again.

Fifth page:

It was the final download page with 3 of the modules and saying that they will set up my account and get back to me.

I thought there was some offer for $700 monthly coaching but I didn't see that. Maybe that was limited and they sold out. Doesn't matter because I would have said no anyway.

Okay. I'll wait and see what happens.

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Okay, I'm sorry that some people had trouble but either I got lucky or it's been fixed because I got my login and and password immediately and I'm in the member's area. I think I have to wait for access to the forum. I haven't gone through anything but they have my congratulations for doing a good job organizing things in the members area because last time it was atrocious.

I was finally able to login tonight and looked around, read and watched some modules, tried a few tools and even took one of the quizzes after a module.

I think this is worth the $77 for sure, at least for beginner-intermediate. I don't consider my self an expert in PPC-Aff Sales so I can't comment on what an expert might think of the value.

Haven't even looked at the bonuses yet.

elofmark:

I have same problem as you and have also done everything you mentioned and still no response from support. I even called them and left three voice mails!
Very frustrating. If not resolved by Mon. will do a charge back on my CC. There is simply no excuse to ignore repeated support requests from a customer who has paid hundreds of dollars. These guys probably have a great program...to bad I can use it!

David, if you haven't looked at the bonuses yet you should.

I haven't gone through the course. I went through the bonuses first (only a couple I only just started) because that's why I got it (I mean, $77 for SpeedPPC and that's just one thing. Are you kidding me???) and I just finished watching Howie Schwartz's videos.

A lot of what that guy said is exactly what I believe and I got a real kick out of it and the rest I was like "That is such a good idea".

At least that one right there is pure 60 to 90 minutes of solid information. I think it's part of a larger course. I had never heard of the guy before.

Another reason to grab the bonuses first is because there may be a time limit for which to get them.

Yea, but then if you want you can get the PPC Classroom discount if you want to keep it. I think it's 40% off or about $200 off.

60 days gives time to use it a lot I guess :-)

I wish I'd read this thread on Thursday morning before breaking out my credit card...

I too have had the same problems -- with the added bonus (gee I just love bonuses, don't you?) of no response from the affiliate whom I went through.

On the other hand, early this morning I located Amit's blog at SuperAffiliateMindset dot com and posted a comment. (HINT: HE'S READING HIS COMMENTS SO IF YOU GO THERE YOU'LL GET THROUGH...) Of course he didn't approve (gee...I wonder why) or post it (which makes me doubt the integrity of this program), however he emailed me the following:

"I'm forwarding this to our product manager. You have my personal promise that we will take care of this. My apologizes for the inconvenience.

Sincerely,
Amit Mehta"

Have I heard from their product manager yet??? Oh heck no. So I sincerely wonder what a "personal promise" is worth? :confused:

I'd love to say that I think this is worth it, but I can't since I have no idea...

***sighs and goes to get another cup of coffee***


Chaz

i dont even have time to dedicate to this thread on ppc classroom .. the guys put 2gether a real lackluster effort and to this day have yet to respond to my support tickets
I have since day 1 not been able to access content and for the short time I did have access, it all seemed like version 1 all over again

they are handing support ticket inquiries off to a site called Affiliate Classroom .. Dude named Andrew Ahn has been responding with a generic BS email from the support ticket, telling me to log back into the ppclassroom area and submit another ticket cause all the problems they had from day 1 are messing their backend up etc

So weve played this charade for a good 5 days now, and today I went inside members area at ppcclassroom, only to find ALL links inside members area lead to a page like this:

You Do Not Permission To Access This Page
BACK

not only am I not impressed with their course, I am totally unimpressed with how people take the money and TRY to run in this IM Biz..

They were not one bit ready to launch and for the life of me I can still not figure out why so many went to bat for them (big names who offered bonus etc)

Buyer Beware, I will be in contact with Visa on Monday they are already familiar with this situation and are in fact investigating multiple complaints (I can only assume cause of this issue right here)

Thanks, David, for the help. I really appreciate it.

I went through their video, and used your links to try and reset my PW, but as usual, no email is sent to me, so how can I reset my PW? I sent a second email to support@affiliateclassroom.com and still nothing. I have posted 3 times on PPC 2.0 blogs, as well as Amit's blog. Still nothing.

I know they have me in their system, because I got ONE email from them yesterday saying that their server would be down for one hour. Big deal.

Stephen

wow..sounds quite bad.
I am thinking of signing up for it but I think I shall wait another day or two to see.

stephen

Can any body tell me how many bonuses are trials with or without a discount to buy. I find this deceptive and not to be a bonus but a lure leading to additional sales. Even if they say members get a 40% discount you can believe they are still going to get a 10% to 20% commission beyond that for funneling their members.

I had some additional launch partner bonus offers today and almost decided to buy but checked in here again. But I guess I'll sleep on it at least once. I just don't get how something like PPC can be so complicated. These guys learned it. It may have taken them a long time to master it and with all the monthly options it sounds like joining and learning at PPC C2 will take a long time too.

It's like being hooked up to a drip feeder and somebody else is controlling the drips. You pay under the impression of learning faster but are you really learning faster or being milked faster than you learn. Just something to think about. Also when people give you info and niches and they do the same thing I think they hold back the best for themselves and throw you the crumbs or what is slowing down for them. Just thinking out loud.

Sometimes you learn more from multiple sources than from one. What one person will hold back another will offer freely. Sometimes when you want to know something if you ask nice you get the answer free. This initially sounds
like there is a reasonable price to learn PPC but I see different numbers as the months pass by. I wonder how many members will make their money back in the end. That's a lot of clicks.

For now until I decide yay or nay I found a PPC course in the War Room that seems pretty good. I'm only up to module six of fourteen. Good info - Text and video in each. Free for members of the War Room (Thanks Allen) It's the first thread so it's popular and active. Not only that but you have access to all the other exceptional info and help in the War Room. Possibly the best value per cost I spent this year. (Thanks again Allen and members of the War Room). Did I mention NO SUPPORT ISSUES for the War Room and you won't be looking for a refund. Just my opinion. Something productive to do while you're waiting for your customer support emails to find your inbox.

Well, after trading emails back and forth with Amit yesterday, come to find out they didn't charge my cc. Interestingly enough, they had the correct cc number but it wasn't charged. Makes me concerned that I'll be double charged now. I did go ahead and put another $77 on it just to see what they have, however went for none of the upsells that I did on Thursday.

I did send them the following...

I've thought long and hard about this and decided that I will purchase PPC Classroom but this time I passed on all your upsells -- only opting for the $77 program. It's too bad that due to this you've lost over $400 but I simply can't trust you guys. Also, when I went in to purchase, all my cc details still remained in the system. This is scary.

Apologies aside, you simply can't run a business like this. I may not be a guru like you guys, I may not be a PhD, and honestly, I'm suck ass broke -- but at least I know how to treat people and how to run a business.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hope they get the idea but I seriously doubt they will...possibly after most ppl cancel after they received their bonuses, which I think will probably happen.


Chaz

You're right, technical issues aside, PPCC 2.0 is actually very good so far. Jeremy Palmer's PPCC 1.0 course was great but it things went wrong and I won't get into the rest. Let's hope things begin to run more smoothly and they don't repeat some of the things from the first time around.

The monthly for this one is lower than it was for the first membership. I'm not even sure if the first membership is still around and in a separate directory or if it was done away with and 1.0 members just automatically brought over to the 2.0 membership.

But the forum still appears to be unavailable and if it continues this way we won't really get to try it before getting charged the second month. At least I can't get to it.

And the course is designed in a way to make you feel like you have to stay a member.

What happens if you don't want the monthly can we still get to the material we paid $77 for? (rhetorical)

The first time I couldn't access the membership site and membership forum for almost 3 months because it appeared that my ip was blocked and so I had no way to contact them.

I finally managed to get through by proxy (after I found one that worked) and told Fields Marshall.

Was I paying those 3 months? You bet I was.

After I was able to get back in normally I canceled immediately and told customer support the situation. I asked them to meet me half way (less!) and at least refund me the last month. They did not but I got a nice "You will not be billed anymore. Let us know if there is anything we can do for you" completing ignoring my request for a refund for just one of measly month out of three without access (I was ready to return Mass Control Monthly at my expense when I asked for a refund but even they said "Go ahead and keep it and if you get next month's package by accident just keep that too and don't worry about it")

I was able to login in to the site for a limited time (not to the forum but to the control panel where the ticket system, material, etc., was linked) and I was curious to see if I could still get the material that came out while I paid, and not to my surprise I couldn't. It's okay because I downloaded the whole site before I canceled.

This time it's $77 for material that has to be viewed from the member's area. I would be wise of them to make sure people who don't go for the monthly membership or cancel can still login to access what they paid $77 for because if not this shit storm will be nothing compared to the one that will come.

Without commenting on all the doubt inducing upselling "you have to get or elses" and finagling cliffhangers to stay on as a paying member the material in the modules (so far) is very good with minor no big deal complaints from me.

Dear all,

I will not comment the value of the product itself, because it is too soon to do it, but I have something else to share with you: what to expect from their customer support.

So, I (tried?) to purchase the product / subscription and it went well, until the first upsell. Taking a closer look, I said, what a heck, let give it a try... So, I "upgraded" the order, BUT something went wrong, the transaction didn't go through and I've been instructed to use another CC. I must mention that I have access to the real time stats of my bank account(s), so first thing first was to check IF they took / blocked ANY money from the "failed" order. Guess what? Everything was as supposed, NO change into my account's balance.
The main reason to make this check was the fact that after the "failed" transaction, I had to start all over, again, from the beginning. So, being sure that the transaction "failed", I decided to start from scratch, using a second EMAIL ADDRESS and a second CC... This time all went properly and I took only the first upsell.
On this second email address, I got 4 emails but none into the other one, used with the "failed" transaction. Somehow normal.
Why these emails are important? They contain the invoices and the (preset) credentials in order to access THE site.
Next day, I've been unpleasantly surprised to see that the money went out, over the night, from BOTH accounts. Moreover, it took me an entire day (24 hours) to figure out that the entity which took the money was "affiliateclassroom.com" and not PPC classroom. So, I jumped again in their sales letters, web site, customer support of affiliateclassroom.com and managed to get a phone number.
So, the second day (last Friday actually), I called each half an hour that number, only to find out that NO ONE is available to take my calls, at their billing department. All day, no one.
Next step, was to open a support account at "Affiliateclassroom.com" and file a complain for being billed twice. Hours later, (please read "very fast" in this context) I've been informed that the support ticket was closed, because affiliateclassroom.com is NOT giving assistance for such issues, even if THEY took the money from my account and not PPC one... Moreover, I've been instructed to go to "PPC classroom" FORUM and register for a support account. They even supposed that I may have LOST my (preset credentials) password and "gently" provided me a link (from PPC classroom, obviously) in order to reset it...

So, while there was NO email ever received on that email account, obviously, there was NO access at all to their site, because they left NOTHING publicly available, as would be "normal": contact us / customer support area.

Nice, isn't it? So, what I did next was to use the ONLY login credentials that I had, browse for the support area, open an account and copy & paste my complain from the site that actually took the money. This happened on Saturday, by the way.

At the time I am writing you about this unique experience that I enjoy with PPC, NO ONE issued ANY answer to MY problem, even if a full working day (Monday) already passed...

Obviously, it is a problem being billed twice by whatever company which DOES NOT answer the phone, which DOES NOT offer at least the "billing" issues assistance and which forwards you towards a restricted access site, where no one seems to deal with ANY issues at all.

I look forward to see if something "moves" on their side... And obviously, let you know.

If, by any chances, someone form PPC is reading this, I strongly suggest to use HIS time to read first the support tickets. And if he still has some time left, to answer them...

if you need help, use fields @ affiliateclassroom.com and he'll help you out.

The forum will be up in a week or so, their sorting it out trying to fix some bugs and integrate it with the members area.

As for those not impressed with the course material... I've had a look and it's a LOT better than the PPC Classroom 1.0 version, 1000% times better.

Any hows, accessing the forum is the least of people's worries right now, for as long as they can access what they paid for, that's all that counts.

And the first 30 days free access to the forum had better begin counting down from when the forum does open and not counting from the time people bought PPCC2.0

Of course it would be, what do you take these guys for? Rip off merchants? If that's the case, why buy the bloomin' thing if you have these things on your mind.. struth... Anik and Amit are probably one of the most honest and legit people around on the internet - rare thing these days...

Just give them some time to sort out the programming problems and you'll be told when the forum is open.

Patience is a virtue... and until that time, learn all that decent stuff in the members area.

well i want to purchase , but i feel scary after reading this stuff. I love all the bonuses. One thing for sure i will join if and if they allow me to join via paypal. I love to use almost all the options of payment like all major credit cards and paypal. I even use alertpay . Because i dont want to lose any buyer. But i am sure if amit is using only credit card then there is some reason for it. I am sure they know they are losing lot of customers because of no paypal option.

This also means they can cover up this lose by some other way. Whats the way , i have no idea. I just received an email they are going to close this down after 2 hours. I dont know when your forum is not working, your support system is working so bad. How you can close it all?

I wonder why so many big guns are promoting this stuff. They havnt even tested the entire thing and they are sending emails to all the subscribers.

I havnt seen anyone warrior here who will say "This course kick ass and i earned x amount of dollars" . Anyone?

Ignore those other negative people. Once you get inside the members area you'll see what it's all about and it's definitely worth the money... If you're not happy, you can always ask for a refund.

I've already said that this course is top notch... I got in at the PPC Classroom version 1, back in 2007, I was even on their member of staff at the Las Vegas Event... you might even see me in the videos (I'm on the right hand side sitting on the staff chair...lol)

I went from $6k down, not making a sale, to a year later spending around $60-100k a month with Adwords. Go figure, what they show must work. And that's before Amit arrived. There's stuff there that wasn't even shown in the first group. And cheaper this time round to-boot.

I was not a big fan of this course. I feel like they take a long time to tell you things that most already know. I also felt like they were sucessful and wanted to make money off of that. They are not going to give you there secrets or really show you how they make money. IMO

well, although your entitled to your opinion, your wrong. You don't know them. I do. You haven't tried out their previous course, I have. I've made money from their course. I'll tell you now, if you think you know it all with adwords, and can make $30K+ a month constantly, then great, you don't need it. You might know it all, but I doubt very much you do. There's no bars held here when it comes to the information in the members area, the same stuff Amit teaches his own students who are absolutely killing it in PPC.

Go figure, I guess they don't know what they are talking about.

Another customer service nightmare. Gee, do people doing launches actually not think they're going to get orders?! I'm waiting for access to the upsells, but my patience is thinning. If everyone starts the course angry from the horrible service, they won't stand a chance at success on the content because noone will be listening then. Refund rates go through the roof!

In all this mess, they have closed the gates. I am sure lot of people missed this whole thing due to technical problems. I have sent them email regarding whether we can pay via paypal. Lets see how much time they take to respond

While I like the guys at PPC Classroom and have to give them credit for such a great launch with all the pre-videos and viral tactics (genious). I just want to touch on the bonuses....

I hate to ever say anything bad about anyone's product or tactics, but at the same time ethically, I feel like I need to share with my fellow IMers to be careful with the bonuses offered.

All of them are TRIAL offers, and most of them will start billing your credit card after a certain number of days...some 30 days...some 60 days.

Just be careful...I know many IMers are on a tight budget, and would hate to see you lose money on something you don't even know you're buying.

Also, I do agree with Jay about the upsell, that's part of IM and they do a Damn good job at ppc classroom on the upsell!

I've been getting the same in my inbox but have yet to check it out fully. From what I've seen, looks pretty informative though. Worth checking out to get a handle on adwords, I think I will.

No way is everyone gonna agree whether this is a great product or not.

The correct answer is truly subjective to ones own parameters for greatness. It's kinda along the lines of, some people like cats and others think cats are filthy, sneaky critters. Pick any subject, and we will find a way to disagree in many ways.

In my opinion, this is a very good course, at worst. The reason I can say that is because I am new to PPC/Adsense, and this course is serving as a real teacher to me. No one is really talking about the support tools-the bonus section, not the partner bonuses- that go with the course. They are a very useful supplement to the written course material.

As a newbie, I am going through this material very slowly and methodically, taking notes, thinking about what I'm reading and seeing and hearing.

I wonder as I read some of the posts here, how many are blowing thru the material so fast they miss a lot of thinking points.

Please don't misunderstand me here...I am definitely NOT slamming anyone, but I believe sometimes in our search for the "thing" that we are all apparently searching for, we get to expecting a magic solution and forget that no matter what system, advice, ebook, report or course we ultimately land on, the bottom line is to study and completely understand that choice, and take action on that choice. And by blowing thru some of these courses or whatever, and I am truly as guilty as anybody, we miss a lot of valuable information.

There may be a PPC course available that is better than this one, I don't know. I could spend a lifetime trying every one of them I come across to compare, but that means I would probably never conquer any one of them and never take action. Not to mention very broke...no wait I'm already broke. Can you be more than broke? Anyway...

I guess my point is, the course is very good IMHO, especially for a newbie because it presents PPC in an understandable format, with bite size information and illustrations, video, worksheets, mindmaps etc. to help the "student" stay on track. But you must commit to the learning process, not just to the reading/skimming over process.

I will take what I can from this course and maybe it will be enough. If not, then I will worry about trying to find the next "guide".

I was also fortunate enough to buy in on the first day and had zero problems with any part of the purchase or process. I always get logged in and support is great.

I truly appreciate the views and insights shared on the forums here. Thanks to all and I hope I haven't torqued anyone off, ramble too much or wandered too far off subject.

John316

tommyp, quit your whinging man, don't like it, get a refund, simple, be one of those that don't make hundreds of thousands a year in PPC.

I watched the promo video for PPC Classroom and I was quite surprised when Amit answered a couple questions about Clickbank that sounded like he didn't have a strong knowledge of it. So, it kind of turned me off

I've been watching thier launch and they did an awesome job of generating a ton of buzz, (I'm jealous!). But on the service issue, give them some room to wiggle, they got a couple thousand people signed up in a very short time frame and are no doubt bombarded with support tickets.

But one thing I wanted to throw out there is this:

There are NO secrets to succeeding with PPC. There are no magic pills, no missing links, no shortcuts to success.

As stated above, Amit makes several hundred thousand before taxes after paying all his team and ppc expenses. He got to 2.4 million gross revenue by sheer hard work on the part of him and his team. Could anyone do that? No, because most lack the work ethic and follow through to see a business plan like that through. But don't buy any ppc product or service that you think is going to give you the "secret to success". When I started, I searched for that magic pill for a long time. It does not exist. Every huge affiliate I know, (most don't reveal their names or what they do as there are far more "unknowns" doing huge numbers then well known names), got to their level by not giving up and working their asses off. Even the "I work 2 hours per day and then sip drinks on the beach the rest of the day" mindset does nothing but hurt people who are new to ppc. You may get to that point eventually, but it will take at least a year of hard work to do so. That year includes failing miserably several times and questioning if you know what you're doing or if ppc is for you.

Anyhow, just wanted to throw that out there. Give the guys a break, they're busy and I'm sure they'll get back to you as soon as they can.

I never called any one an Idiot, get your facts right Tommyp.

You can't handle the fact that you were wrong, again, most whingers are. Take a pill. I proved you wrong again. Try looking in front of your nose, instead of behind it.

Your whinging is becoming tiring, I know of 5 yr olds that act more behaved then you. Grow up!

I purchased a couple weeks ago for $77. I've now started to go through the information. It's pretty basic information to start, but as it progresses it becomes more detailed. It's a good course for the beginner who is looking to be hand held from the start to the finish of their first PPC campaign.

I haven't personally seen anything about the PPC Classroom but seems it would be worth the money from the posts above.

Do you think so? what are the testimonials. I'd love to know more.

all my best
Elitsa

Ok, here it comes my second part about the issue I've had with PPC Classroom:
I have to admit that these guys are 100% honest and there is no "dirty trick" behind the cumbersome system. I've posted my claim in the PPC support forum and I got the answer to give additional details, which is acceptable. Once my problem was acknowledged, it was solved in less then 24 hours (for those who haven't seen my first post, I have been billed twice). I have waited until today (with this post) in order to have the proof that the actual money returned into my account.
The conclusion is that once you get in their system, things are running smooth. And the best of all, they are honest people.

I bought it, I think it's worth the value.

Lots of beginner stuff in there but some good advanced stuff too. It's worth the $77 but will have to see if it's worth the $29.95/month plus the $19.95/month for the Niche Detective club I signed up for. Yes there for a whole heap of up sells, but I guess they are just being effective marketers. It's the nature of the game.

Thanks Loz,

I got plenty from version one as well. I thing the basic elements are the key and then building on those with testing and innovation.

I am loving it. I followed the plan, redid some campaigns I have for my own products and today I paid .06 a click for clicks I normally pay .70-.85 for. Yay!!!

I'm not big on PPC, as all the traffic techniques I use are free methods. But Amit's story sounded quite impressive so I decided to check it out. I have to say the $77 for the program is dirt cheap. There's definitely a lot of value in the product, and the bonuses are actually good.

At the end, I cancelled my membership and got a refund because I was put off by the poor support and lack of service. But I think it's a great product. If I was more into PPC I'd definitely stayed as a member.

I made the decision to keep my membership.

Yes there is a lot of stuff I already knew but I did learn a few imp tricks and I am sure I can still learn a lot from Amit.

Overall, I am satisfied with this membership.

We bought it the day it came out.
If you are new to Affiliate Marketing with Adwords, it an EXCELLENT value. I fyou are an experienced marketer, it's well worth the bonuses alone.

Anik is a straight-shooter, an honest stand-up guy and can be trusted.

Guys,

Unless you are really a ppc ppro, this is a great value for the information that is available. If you don't like it then you can always cancel the continuity aspect of it.

If you've run any ppc, you know that one small minor change can have a HUGE impact on your campaigns. Like I said, you really would have to have been in the adwords game a long time to NOT pick up at least one new technique that could pay for itself many times over.

I'm a member of PPC Classroom, and I have found it to be very useful -- however, I'm completely new to PPC and internet marketing.

PPC Classroom has 9 modules so far and a bunch of bonus modules.

They recently opened up the forum, which has been great because now you have somewhere to go and post all of the questions that you have.

I don't know other people are saying in this thread, but I purchased PPC classroom and it proved to be a real eye opener on doing PPC. I'd recommend it.. especially since it's under 100 bucks. Don't really know about all the upsells though, I got the seminar videos and these turned out to have plenty of valuable information, but I can't see a lot in the niche club or ppc tools. ..it's all just my opinion though.

Unfortunately for newcomers, I think membership to PPC classroom is currently closed

oh well, for a similar spin on making affiliate commissions through PPC with even more sweet video tutorials than PPC classroom, I'd recommend you look at realaffiliateincome.com/blueprint It's definitely a stand-out course for me that really delivered- it actually IS a solid blueprint on everything you've gotta do to make a great income, even if you're a beginner.
.. I think it's going to cost a fair bit more than $97.00 shortly though, which isn't cool! Still probably worth it though oh, and you can get a further $10 discount if you go to the sales page and then close the window.. just sayin',

Cheers.

Hey Guys
I am a PPC Classroom member who bought the $77 programm then upgrade to the VIP plan for the "HAND HOLDING" as Amit promised, however i am now currently "BANNED FOREVER" really dont know why!
Sent a message via the contact us link enquireing why and will wait patiently to see if it is resolved with either my money back,me being unbanned or some communication from Amit/Anik or any of the moderators at PPC CLASSROOM...I am a little jaded by this and a few more issue with PPC CLASSROM 2.0, BUT I WILL REMAIN POSITIVE.

P.S PLZ AMIT & ANIK PLZ LET ME KNOW WHAT'S UP!! your student trying to learn here!!!

Well ... thought I had it resolved. Got a refund and was assured my account was cancelled. Now they've just debited my cc again!!! Sent an email to support but no reply. I now these guys have a good reputation but I'll never buy from them again. Never.

Tessa

Thanks ... I'm getting a tad impatient, I must admit. 4 days now since I contacted support about this and still no reply. Think it might be time to change my tone

I'd just advise anyone else who's been reassured that their account was cancelled to keep an eye on their cc statement.

Hi,

I am a current member of PPC Classroom 2.0.

Yes, I know that they send a lot of "SPAM" trying to make you buy something, but the information on the site is very well structured and very clear. I like it and I am using it daily.

the first day I used the techniques there I made more than $70 profit from Google AdWords with one single ClickBank offer.

I took them up on their $29.00 shipping and handling charge only for a trial. However after I ordered what I thought was going to only cost $29.00 their order entry would not let me out without charging me the total $495.00. Well, that really pissed me off because I had been tricked/deceived! So, I simply clicked off their site thinking since I had not given final authorization to charge my card everything would be ok. NOT..., they shipped me the trial and charged me the $29.00 plus the $495.00! I was so incensed that I reported their fraudulent tactic and cancelled my credit card!

I have joined the 2.0 classroom and yes I bought the VIP - for one month at $197. Again like said many times before lack of support. I waited 5 days for a response from the VIP Coaches. When I submitted a ticket to cancel the VIP all of a sudden the ticket was erased, and so far no charge to my CC. Yea- all the bonuses are great- and all the PPC Classroom 1.0 Live videos are included. Even got Jeremy's Optomize My Site (OMS) tracker for free.
Someone mentioned CPA and now everyone is asking what it is on the forum. It was a hit and run, that takes from Amit's method of teaching Adwords. Granted I have learned some stuff, but this forum has as much info.Well my time is up. NEXT?

I'm pleased to say that I secured my membership for a dollar
Thanks so much for posting that offer by the way
But now that I'm inside I believe it's even worth the full 77 bucks, it is a great product and goes along really well with commision blueprint I think.
Where commision blueprint doesn't talk so much about huge keyword lists and actual campaign building I think the PPC classroom fills in the technical stuff.

Hello,

The price is very cheap for the content but the customer service and the site structure was awful.

If you know about Adwords and PPC then it is good otherwise waste of time.

I have purchased many products, and by far..this is the best product I have found. The training is detailed and helpful. I have gone through more online products than I care to admit. But I finally found something that I'm very happy with, and I can't complain about PPC Classroom at all.