The Magic Bullet System

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Can someone tell me what the heck this thing is? I've heard it called a video seminar, a coaching program, an analytic-tracking software... All of the above? None of the above?

The prelaunch info has been valuable, but it still gives me no clue as to what the actual product is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    From what I can gather it's all of the above. It's getting relaunched in a few days so the creators can make another $4m out of it like they did on its original launch. Apparently it's not really worth the money and you could probably spend a lot less money on some decent tools and get some free advice etc on this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    Originally Posted by Ami.McCain View Post

    Can someone tell me what the heck this thing is? I've heard it called a video seminar, a coaching program, an analytic-tracking software... All of the above? None of the above?

    The prelaunch info has been valuable, but it still gives me no clue as to what the actual product is.
    The 1st video makes it pretty clear what it is..or at least what part of it is.
    Its a very high end course which will cost $2997 - no doubt the stuff will be valuable...as will the magic bullet software he's created, but i dunno about everything else.

    All i know is Frank Kern is the genius behind the launch stuff i.e video scripting, email copy, sales video script, whilst Andy Jenkins is doin the video.
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  • Profile picture of the author miami
    We bought it last January.

    I would say it is only for very serious marketers who are willing to invest what is needed in time and money to use the tools provided to create a business.

    They do have some phenomenal tools assembled in one place - and the training is superb.

    I wrote a review on our blog.

    Don't know if I can post it here but you can PM me for it...

    We are affiliates...

    You really want to watch the videos just to see how well it is marketed!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Where is the data that is collected using the software stored?
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        OK, I CAN give a decent overview of Magic Bullet and the bottom line is it's worth it if you *really* want to get into the sleazy world of PPV which isn't really my cup of tea (although when I tested it I found it QUITE easy - and anyone who has URL harvesting methods already probably will find it pretty easy, too...especially if you have your OWN unique methods of harvesting). And there are SOME (few) legit offers in CPA networks that will work on PPV - or you could use it to build your own list, but you definitely have to watch quality WAY more than say on PPC.

        OK, with THAT out of the way

        I did get a chance to peek under the hood of Magic Bullet System from a friend who used it and if you're going to do PPV it's pretty darn brilliantly done. I think at the time it was $4,000 and I priced it out comparing it to all the tools I used to use in the PPC days - LPGen, SpeedPPC, 3rd party tracking programs, bid management, offer research, etc. and if you look at it that way it's a steal for everything you're getting.

        I can't remember if they had a way to stack offers at the time (like you can do in OpenX).

        I've lost a bit of my memory of it, but I do recall that it made tracking and analyzing conversion rates, etc. easy - + they had a system whereby you wouldn't have to have to place pixels on every single network if they had an agreement with that network (I think I'm right about that).

        Bottom line in my opinion - if you ARE going to do PPV I think Magic Bullet is well worth the price.

        As to where it stores the data - the old version did store the data on their server, so if that makes you paranoid, then you'll want to consider piecing together stuff you can run on your own server - LPGen, Prosper, etc.

        MB will be a GIGANTIC time saver if for some crazy reason you want to get into the crazy world of PPV where your account manager might tell you that the best offers are those "Google Money Tree" type offers and then explain how they are working on a way to hack into facebook pages to run their own ads (seriously, one MAJOR network showed us how they were doing this). LOL.

        The only thing I remember that sucked was their URL harvesting tools. They were really lame at the time. You'd be better off with AffExpert (unless MB has DRASTICALLY improved that piece).
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Where is the data that is collected using the software stored?
        In the original version it was stored on their server. Don't know about new version.
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        • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
          For sure a fine tool but....

          Once again, it is a hosted software!

          Don't know about you but I never ever would give my data to a third party; never!

          Also, if you just starting out, I recommend learning and testing the old way before investing $3k plus continuity.

          $3k can buy you 200,000 impressions in CPV - build a nice list doing pre-pop is the way to go.

          Hope this helps.
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          • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
            Originally Posted by Wuuki View Post

            For sure a fine tool but....

            Once again, it is a hosted software!

            Don't know about you but I never ever would give my data to a third party; never!

            Also, if you just starting out, I recommend learning and testing the old way before investing $3k plus continuity.

            $3k can buy you 200,000 impressions in CPV - build a nice list doing pre-pop is the way to go.

            Hope this helps.
            Agree completely. Its a joke the price of this and the resources lost in business development.
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            • Profile picture of the author psresearch
              Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

              Agree completely. Its a joke the price of this and the resources lost in business development.
              I hate PPV, I don't like Y-MultiMedia & all the questionable offers it runs and I'm NOT an affiliate of MB so I have ZERO interest in anybody actually buying MB, but before you say the price of it is a joke, you might want to piece out what it would take to develop the entire yourself or buy it in parts.

              But definitely a good idea to think about what ELSE you could spend the money for.

              In other words I kind of DETEST everything MB represents, but if for some crazy reason you DID want to take part in the sleazy underbelly of PPV - then I can't think of a better tool for doing so.
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        • Profile picture of the author perswealth
          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

          In the original version it was stored on their server. Don't know about new version.
          I think that hasn't changed, as i remember someone asking him about that for this version, and if he would use the information for there own gain, and he had said something to the effect that if he did use the information to screw the users that were on the platform, that he would be cutting his own throat because it would be a revenue loss for him.

          So bottom line, if you trust him and what he says to be true, then it shouldn't be a problem. I for one am not that trusting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
    Originally Posted by ExtraCashOnline View Post

    The Magic bullet system is really a fully loaded system. It is really a software, plus training that gives you all the insides of cost per click. Amish owns the cpa company so basically he is training affiliates how to run his offers to make them and himself a lot of money. This system is really about the owner of the affiliate company teaching affiliates how to make some serious money. If you can really grasp the concept you can make a lot of money with this system.
    Just running a small campaign during the holiday season, he was able to gain $9,136 in revenue. Now if he can do that you could take his system and do the same or more for yourself.

    I think any serious marketer should try it, and remember it's risk free!
    Not a bad sales pitch. Keep up the good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
    Well, here's what their TOS for purchasing states:

    "Submissions

    You hereby grant to our Company the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display all content, remarks, suggestions, ideas, graphics, or other information communicated to our Company through this site (together, hereinafter known as the "Submission"), and to incorporate any Submission in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed. Our Company will not be required to treat any Submission as confidential, and may use any Submission in its business (including without limitation, for products or advertising) without incurring any liability for royalties or any other consideration of any kind, and will not incur any liability as a result of any similarities that may appear in future Company operations."

    Make of it what you will ;P
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  • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
    Originally Posted by ExtraCashOnline View Post

    The Magic bullet system is really a fully loaded system. It is really a software, plus training that gives you all the insides of cost per click. Amish owns the cpa company so basically he is training affiliates how to run his offers to make them and himself a lot of money. This system is really about the owner of the affiliate company teaching affiliates how to make some serious money. If you can really grasp the concept you can make a lot of money with this system.
    Just running a small campaign during the holiday season, he was able to gain $9,136 in revenue. Now if he can do that you could take his system and do the same or more for yourself.

    I think any serious marketer should try it, and remember it's risk free!
    So...you have any statement of your own to make as well or will you just rephrase the pitch from their page every 2 sentences? We know what Amish did with it. Don't need to hear that again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    I don't have any personal experience with the tools or system, but a former partner of mine did have access to it the last time around and I asked him if he thought it was worth it. At the time they were still quite a few issues. Bug related issues and training that he felt was not as clear as it could be. On the whole however he felt once the kinks were ironed out that the tool could easily be worth it...thats is only to someone in a position to actually put it to use.

    What he meant was that if your'e a bit wet behind the ears and still new to promoting offers and getting traffic the tool was absolutely not for you.

    Now the great thing for those thinking about buying it now is that I'm pretty sure all the kinks have been worked out and the system is probably smooth and solid. Odds are those who buy now and can actually put it to use will be able to recoup their investment much faster then the guys who got in when it was first released.
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    • Profile picture of the author TJMan
      Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel
      In other words I kind of DETEST everything MB represents, but if for some crazy reason you DID want to take part in the sleazy underbelly of PPV - then I can't think of a better tool for doing so.
      Paul, I know only a little about PPV and it's sleaziness (haven't tried it myself), and would welcome an elaboration rant...do you mean, as in "misleading advertising" "sneaky iFraming," .etc?

      Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't MBS 2.0 be used for all sorts of campaign preparation/building/testing/tracking? Not just "sleazy PPV"?
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      • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
        Originally Posted by TJMan View Post

        Paul, I know only a little about PPV and it's sleaziness (haven't tried it myself), and would welcome an elaboration rant...do you mean, as in "misleading advertising" "sneaky iFraming," .etc?

        Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't MBS 2.0 be used for all sorts of campaign preparation/building/testing/tracking? Not just "sleazy PPV"?
        Yes, you can use it for things other than PPV/CPA. I bought the system and tried promoting some of the more reputable CPA offers out there.

        Eventually I decided to develop my own info product instead of promoting CPA. And, I've used some of my Magic Bullet training to sell over $4000 in 12 days. So, yes you can use the training and tools for things other than CPA.

        I think the training is excellent. And it comes with a boatload of tools. Once you use their tools, you can always go off and find other tools if you're concerned about anything being stored on their servers. Or, if you just find a better tool out there to get that particular job done.

        But, they give you everything you need to get started (training/tools).

        Of course as someone mentioned earlier, you have to put the time and brain energy into it. And, you'll most likely lose money before you make any money.
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by TJMan View Post

        Paul, I know only a little about PPV and it's sleaziness (haven't tried it myself), and would welcome an elaboration rant...do you mean, as in "misleading advertising" "sneaky iFraming," .etc?

        Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't MBS 2.0 be used for all sorts of campaign preparation/building/testing/tracking? Not just "sleazy PPV"?
        Don't have time for a rant yet, but I was only aware fo the focus of mb 1.0 on ppv - so you may be quite right.
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        • Profile picture of the author TJMan
          Looks like PeteNY (above) has some hand-on info that's helpful here.

          Regardless, thanks for your reply, Paul. Maybe when you have time later, a separate "rant" thread would be useful to the Warriors!
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          • Profile picture of the author psresearch
            Originally Posted by TJMan View Post

            Looks like PeteNY (above) has some hand-on info that's helpful here.

            Regardless, thanks for your reply, Paul. Maybe when you have time later, a separate "rant" thread would be useful to the Warriors!
            Ah cool. Thx for the update.
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          • Profile picture of the author psresearch
            Originally Posted by TJMan View Post

            Looks like PeteNY (above) has some hand-on info that's helpful here.

            Regardless, thanks for your reply, Paul. Maybe when you have time later, a separate "rant" thread would be useful to the Warriors!
            Just briefly, the 4 things to think about are:

            1) The offers - you CAN find legit CPA offers as Pete has noted.
            2) The sites on the network itself (you can get this through Run Of Network sometimes - or through setting up a separate environment for you to access the network like a user - but you have to make sure that environment is ONLY used for that to see what ads get triggered by what sites, etc.). Lots of porn and porn-ish sites, borderline legal sites on certain networks.
            3) The actual user agreements regarding their agreement as to how and when they are served the ads - obviously the most contentious issue.

            But because of #2 - if you are going to run legit offers you have to keep in mind that you are running against others who don't care how they get money out of people, which means you need to either be way better at traditional conversions OR way better at unique harvesting methods and management of the ppv campaigns. I found it easy because I have 11 years worth of experience developing ways to harvest urls - plus in certain markest you can use some of the old PPC tricks - like the "bully" method (or the "fake" bully method depending on how bids cascade), etc. although more people were catching on to that after the 3rd month I was testing out PPV.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonicera
    I have decided to stop even thinking about products that have the words mass, magic, bullet, loophole, ultimate, terminator, secrets, etc... in their names
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