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My site failed and I don't know why

by gnr991
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I opened a site about six months ago around the keyword "labrador training"
I did keyword research and opened a website in wordpress
I made on-site seo and built some backlinks (not much)
Somehow I do not see results. The site has only 20 visitors a day on average
What should I do to promote this site and get a lot more visitors? so I can make money from Google Adsense or Clickbank
maybe the keyword I chose is not good ?
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanJohnson1
    Originally Posted by gnr991 View Post

    I opened a site about six months ago around the keyword "labrador training"
    I did keyword research and opened a website in wordpress
    I made on-site seo and built some backlinks (not much)
    Somehow I do not see results. The site has only 20 visitors a day on average
    What should I do to promote this site and get a lot more visitors? so I can make money from Google Adsense or Clickbank
    maybe the keyword I chose is not good ?
    the simplest way is just to buy the traffic...
    and you won't have to wait 6 months to know if your site is any good or not
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Are you sliding in an optin form or doing something to get some of those 20 visitors a day on your email list?

    That's really what you should be doing to build a list so you can promote products to those people from ClickBank or elsewhere.

    Just give them a good freebie offer for their email. If it's about Labrador Retrievers, then search for some decent plr ebooks or articles that you can compile into an ebook about LR training or what have you.

    Create an autoresponder series with a variety of product promotions from ClickBank and then people who sign up will move through that series like a conveyor belt. Test what converts into sales and what doesn't, and go from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by gnr991 View Post

    maybe the keyword I chose is not good ?
    This may help: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

    Maybe you need to ignore "keywords" altogether, and come up with a non-SEO-based traffic generation plan?

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    • Profile picture of the author gnr991
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      This may help: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

      Maybe you need to ignore "keywords" altogether, and come up with a non-SEO-based traffic generation plan?

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      Which options do I have except of SEO ?
      I tried to drive traffic from Reddit, but I get only 7 visitors a day from there
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by gnr991 View Post

        Which options do I have except of SEO ?
        Answered here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ffic-tips.html

        But if you're trying to sell ClickBank products, I'd actually start here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523 (and by reading Joan's post just above - Joan doesn't post here as often as some of us would like to see, but is always worth reading when she does).

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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Here is the thing you chose the term "labrador training" and in doing so you are doing what most people do. Keep in mind most people fail. here is why.

          If you jump over to Google real quick and look up "labrador training" you will see there are 11.4 million matching web pages for THAT keyword. What this suggests is there is good amount of competition at this level, and as you progress with your site youmay get a decent listing from this word.

          If you were to have focused on say "labrador puppy training" and again you look this up on Google it shows there are 303,000 competing pages. Are you starting to see where "labrador puppies training" might be easier to get traffic with?

          As you get more specific in what words you are targeting, USUALLY you will encounter LESS competition and stand a greater chance at getting traffic. So if you were to look at "labrador puppy potty training" on Google you now see there is only 128,000 results.

          If you were to change "labrador puppy potty training" up just a touch you would find "labrador retriever puppy potty training" listed on Google with 81,800 competing pages.

          What I have shown you here is how to TARGET your audience. with every word that you add to the search term you are refining and defining the traffic that will come to your site. This is what is called "Long Tail Keywords"

          When you are doing Keyword research you are obviously looking at traffic count. Sure "Labrador training" has a lot more traffic than "labrador retriever puppy potty training". I can understand why you targeted those type of keywords.

          Personally when I do keyword research I DO NOT look at the traffic numbers. I very much use the method used here. I go for the terms that I KNOW I can get a solid listing with. I ALSO know that sometimes traffic count to a keyword may not be so accurate.

          A basic rule of thumb is to target words that have 2 million or less pages competing. If you are not so sure what you are doing play with a page targeting a very low count and work out the details there. An example being "stop labrador retriever puppy biting" with only 48,400 competing sites. If you can not get on the 1st page here.. you really need to start asking questions and study what you are doing with your "Onpage SEO"

          Hope that Helps!
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            A basic rule of thumb is to target words that have 2 million or less pages competing.
            That would be an extraordinary "rule", if you think about it.

            When it comes to getting search-engine traffic from ranking well, your only real competitors are the top half-dozen or so on the front page of Google's SERP's for whatever keyword it is: if you can't get among those, you can more or less forget Google traffic, to all intents and purposes.

            For myself, I wouldn't really care whether they're the top half-dozen results out of 10,000 results or out of 10,000,000 results: they're still the ones I'd have to beat, if I wanted search-engine traffic. What would matter to me would be the SEO-quality of those top-ranked results, not "how many results there are" altogether. The number of results isn't a particularly helpful guideline at all.

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            • Profile picture of the author Avocado Plugins
              That is very competitive keyword. Also with being highly competitive it doesn't show an intention to buy.

              Meaning if a person is type in Labrador training he/she might be looking at tips and tricks but not quiet purchasing something.

              But for example if they type in best training guides for Labrador training then you know this is very close to buying intention and you can build a blog post around that to target this hot keyword.

              Think of it like that instead of competitiveness.

              Think about what your customer is thinking about and search like them.
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            • Profile picture of the author savidge4
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              That would be an extraordinary "rule", if you think about it.

              When it comes to getting search-engine traffic from ranking well, your only real competitors are the top half-dozen or so on the front page of Google's SERP's for whatever keyword it is: if you can't get among those, you can more or less forget Google traffic, to all intents and purposes.

              For myself, I wouldn't really care whether they're the top half-dozen results out of 10,000 results or out of 10,000,000 results: they're still the ones I'd have to beat, if I wanted search-engine traffic. What would matter to me would be the SEO-quality of those top-ranked results, not "how many results there are" altogether. The number of results isn't a particularly helpful guideline at all.

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              And here in lies why you have chosen paths of traffic other than SEO as your primary source. If you are trying to compete on a level that you simply cant, you will fail. You want to be in the top 5 for a term with 10,000,000 competing pages you had better be a hella good back link master or have a structure in place that will assist.

              I am in no way suggesting the method I use is mainstream, actually I will admit is F A R from it. But the truth of the matter is, IT WORKS. why does it work? because the level of SEO that you are competing with for a term with 48,000 results is minimal.

              Here, an example: Search Term: "stop labrador retriever puppy biting" #1 listing: http://www.thelabradorsite.com/labrador-puppies-biting/ go into the source code.. how many "Exact Matches" can you find for the keyword term? the answer is ZERO. Without even looking at the rest of the pages I can tell you in the top 10 there probably is NOT a single term match.

              What you are missing is the more than obvious correlation between the level of SEO and the number of competing pages. SEO gets consistently poorer as you get into terms that have less and less competition.

              Pages with 48,000 competing pages are not "Targeted" for that keyword. They are the closest match that Google could muster to display.

              I am again going to say "Generally" when I say that "Generally" anything at below 1,000,000 competing pages fits in the above mention category. Don't believe me? take a few minutes and look up some terms and look at source code and see for yourself.
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              • Profile picture of the author TermsB
                Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                And here in lies why you have chosen paths of traffic other than SEO as your primary source. If you are trying to compete on a level that you simply cant, you will fail. You want to be in the top 5 for a term with 10,000,000 competing pages you had better be a hella good back link master or have a structure in place that will assist.

                I am in no way suggesting the method I use is mainstream, actually I will admit is F A R from it. But the truth of the matter is, IT WORKS. why does it work? because the level of SEO that you are competing with for a term with 48,000 results is minimal.

                Here, an example: Search Term: "stop labrador retriever puppy biting" #1 listing: http://www.thelabradorsite.com/labrador-puppies-biting/ go into the source code.. how many "Exact Matches" can you find for the keyword term? the answer is ZERO. Without even looking at the rest of the pages I can tell you in the top 10 there probably is NOT a single term match.

                What you are missing is the more than obvious correlation between the level of SEO and the number of competing pages. SEO gets consistently poorer as get into terms that have less and less competition.

                Pages with 48,000 competing pages are not "Targeted" for that keyword. They are the closest match that Google could muster to display.

                I am again going to say "Generally" when I say that "Generally" anything at below 1,000,000 competing pages fits in the above mention category. Don't believe me? take a few minutes and look up some terms and look at source code and see for yourself.
                I think you are misunderstanding the flaws he was trying to point out that can happen with basing the level of competition off of only the results returned. You still need to look at the authority of the pages already ranking for the search terms you're researching. For example go and search "play runescape" you'll get less than a million results returned but all 10 results are for runescape.com This is an example of when your under million is easy competition rule doesn't apply.
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                • Profile picture of the author savidge4
                  Originally Posted by TermsB View Post

                  I think you are misunderstanding the flaws he was trying to point out that can happen with basing the level of competition off of only the results returned. You still need to look at the authority of the pages already ranking for the search terms you're researching. For example go and search "play runescape" you'll get less than a million results returned but all 10 results are for runescape.com This is an example of when your under million is easy competition rule doesn't apply.
                  Let me explain something real fast before you think I am misunderstanding something. I build sites for a living. I build sites that get a ton of traffic, for myself and clients. What I consider to be "Minimum" working traffic for most of my sites is something in the neighborhood of 30,000 uniques a month.

                  I am not saying any of this to toot my own horn, or any of that. I am giving you a base to understand where what I am saying comes from. This method is NOT theory, again I use it daily and have been for years.

                  The example that you have given "play runescape" is not a very uncommon low page count scenario. I currently do a lot of work with keywords that include the term "Wordpress" and run into this scenario often. The truth is as daunting as it may look, to get ranked in a listing such as that would really not be that difficult.

                  Listing #6 from my location is an error page. The only content in that keyword search that is recent is #7 ( and its over a year old ). Most of the overall content is 2012 1013 2008 and 2007. There is more than indications that some good solid content could raise fast in this category without question.

                  Again we are talking SEO and there might need to be a trick or 2 pulled to do it, but this is easily do able with just basic SEO knowledge.

                  I will tell you what.. I will put my money where my mouth is. since you brought up the target keyword, do you happen to have a site that an article or 2 could by published as an example to see where it goes? I will work with you in doing this just to prove a point ( For Free I might add )
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          Have you thought about making youtube videos?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Has anyone wondered if the OP KNOWs anything about labrador training?

            He doesn't say - he doesn't mention content - or why he is in that particular niche.

            That's a rather glaring omission when you are trying to gain a foothold in a niche filled with professional trainers/pet product developers/and authority sites.

            Though exact match of labrador training and labrador retriever training are about the same - there's a 13 million difference in broad match.

            Different people (and marketers) have different experiences. What works for one may not work for another who does it differently. What works in certain niches will not work in more popular/overused niches.

            If you choose a niche because it "sounds good" though you know little about the topic - and you choose keywords that "look good" without understanding why you are choosing them or how to use them....it will take a lot of lipstick to make that pig presentable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      This may help: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

      Maybe you need to ignore "keywords" altogether, and come up with a non-SEO-based traffic generation plan?

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      What's with your vendetta against SEO lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author apocalypsejay
    there are some good business people on this forum that sell web site services like plugins and such, so note there are many gatekeepers. One suggestion is get amazon affiliate set up rather than adsense or clickbank. You can market anything with amazon from leashes to flea powder. Second is get ready to do some spamming, but be professional about it. Link to your site from youtube, social media, twitter, etc. Finally, join the club. My first site failed too due to a copyright / trademark infringement. Failure presents opportunities to learn going forward.
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      Originally Posted by apocalypsejay View Post

      get ready to do some spamming, join the club. My first site failed too due to a copyright / trademark infringement.
      Advice like that will get you banned here on the Warrior Fourm ! Keep doing the same thing and you will never make any money.
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        Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

        Advice like that will get you banned here on the Warrior Fourm ! Keep doing the same thing and you will never make any money.
        Looks like I hit a sore spot lol. Rules are made to be broken. I said to do it "professionally", learn to read. There is not one person on this forum who has not shamelessly promoted their AL's at some point, so why not stop the facade and be real. P.S. Sorry someone forgot to stop payment on your reality check!
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Your mistake was basing an entire site around a thin niche like Labrador training.

    Pets > Dogs > Labradors > Labrador training

    That's going too deep unless you want to run dozens or even hundreds of different websites (Pug training, Doberman training, Poodle training....).
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    What's with your vendetta against SEO lol.
    It's not a vendetta. It's the voice of experience.

    I build sites for a living. I build sites that get a ton of traffic, for myself and clients.
    For now, maybe? One algo. change and all your "work" is down the tubes.

    In my not so humble opinion, people who depend on SEO are fools.
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    • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      It's not a vendetta. It's the voice of experience.



      For now, maybe? One algo. change and all your "work" is down the tubes.

      In my not so humble opinion, people who depend on SEO are fools.
      So you're instead going to trust your traffic to other peoples blogs, aweber maybe, forums, and things that are not google?

      I'd put my last dollar on Google outlasting any other website.

      People who scare monger and talk about "algo changes" are just wimps. Why leave behind some of the best traffic on the entire Internet just because Google may change something in the future?

      It's the people who dont take the time to learn SEO properly that get burned when there is any new kind of "algo change"

      Take some time to learn how SEO should really be done, and you wont be burned next time you buy an awesome $47 a month ranking service from some dude somewhere. They are probably just reselling you Fiverr Gigs anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      It's not a vendetta. It's the voice of experience.

      For now, maybe? One algo. change and all your "work" is down the tubes.

      In my not so humble opinion, people who depend on SEO are fools.
      Brent,

      I very much understand your opinion. And I must say under normal circumstances it is not only valid, but extremely valid.

      Let me share some of my SEO philosophy with you and every one else. Getting listed on ANY search engine is your page; Its text, its images, its links, its back links, its programming structure ( the behind the scenes html stuff ) its tags.. all of that and more and how it fits into the "Algo" When it comes right down to it, its straight up math.

      Lets just take 1 variable as an example, "Images". We all know Google likes mixed content. ( again this is all just an example and the numbers given as examples and may not represent what an Algo may or may not want ) So Mixed content you decide to place 2 images within your page. Google bot comes to your site and says "Hey there is an image +1 points. There is a second image +1 points". But say you put a third image in there, and Google might say "ooo 3 images -1 point"

      There is always THAT line that can be crossed. Knowing where THAT line is, in of it self is a bit of a mystery ( we can not see the algo first hand to figure that out ) So with all the many variable at play ( the ones that I listed above: links, text, images etc ) FOOLS like myself, set variables and manipulate others to determine the breaking point. ( remember, I do this as my primary income )

      What a FOOL such as myself ends up with is a "PASSING" set of variable max limits. Having that kind of understanding, puts SEO at a different level. I am no longer GUESSING, I am following an exact formula that creates success.

      Lets talk for a moment about all those gosh blessed algorithm changes. Let me just say that I have not been smacked by a algo change in years. They only help a FOOL such as myself. If you have been hit by a algo change that stopped keyword stuffing, thin / poor content, bad back linking, or duplicate content WHO IS THE FOOL?

      lets use Google for Business' most recent update as an example. Many people got smacked by this one. They felt they did everything right. They had a great many citations. They had a large amount of reviews, ALL of their reviews were positive. etc etc. These people set them selves up to be an EXCEPTION. What happens in math if you are working an equation? You tend to disregard EXCEPTIONS as invalid.

      What does a algorithm change do? It disregards those listings that are mathematically deemed INVALID.

      So back to the method of SEO that this now non fool follows... I laid it out for you... I do NOT go into the land of exceptions. I follow best practices to the T. I have and do test daily, the boundaries of what is "PASSING". Nothing more and nothing less. I DO NOT exceed "PASSING" and nor should you.

      The difference between someone that does SEO and a SEO specialist is right there. There are those of us that have been in this game since the beginning as in the early 90's. for me personally it was 1993. I sold my first "Startup" in 1995, and made my first big money from selling another start up in 1999. I have been using the same method laid out on this thread since 1997, and it still freaking works today.

      You can take all of this for what you want, im just sharing what I know. You are complaining about your own personal bad experience. Dare I get a bit deep here and suggest that the time continuum has multiple threads. Just because you experience something does not means that I am going to experience the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    You need to build more links and you need to work on social media outreach and branding more. Put in more time into your business. Seriously.
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