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I have been into Internet marketing for a number of years but yesterday I had a stunning idea for a service that could change the face of online marketing for online businesses everywhere. This would affect almost any seller of high priced goods or services. Plumbers, Doctors, home re modelers, chiropractors, Jewelers, just to name a few. A few companies in very limited niches are doing this now, but surprisingly outside of those niches virtually no companies do this and it's basically a no brainer. It's one of those ideas where you say why didn't I think of that.

Well, the thing is I do not have the time or inclination to test this out, I have bills to pay. So I would rather just sell the concept as it is or partner with someone who can develop it fast. Are there any reputable marketers out there who would be interested in this? Either to look at the basic concept, determine its feasibility (I have no doubt it is feasible) and endorse it? Or would be interested in testing and developing it?

Testing could be as simple as putting up a quick web site then contacting businesses
to offer this service. I hate cold calling companies which is one of the reasons I have
not tested this.

I was thinking of posting this on the joint venture forum, but it does not seem to fit the
criteria there.
#big #ideas #joint venture #wso
  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    Well, since I've received similar offers in the past, here's a piece of advice.

    Ideas are generally free. For every great idea you see today on the marketplace, there were 999 people who thought about it and one that actually implemented it. So you are better off creating an MVP (minimum viable product) and have a prototype than simply sell the idea. Unless you want to copyright and license it, chances that someone will pay you just for the concept and nothing else are slim to none.
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    • Profile picture of the author datanet
      Actually there are , scientifically investigated, 24 to 28 people thinking of the same idea in the second you reached it !
      ; )
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  • Profile picture of the author IrisMKH
    If it's a grandiose idea, you wouldn't be held back by something as trivial as bills to pay.
    Since it's a no brainer, I guess the idea isn't actually worth a pay check.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Ray
    Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

    Testing could be as simple as putting up a quick web site then contacting businesses to offer this service.
    Then you should create the website and find someone who can contact the businesses and give them a commission from the sales.

    If you can't create a website then find someone who can create it for you.

    You can PM me if you need help with the website. I can't promise that I create a website for you but we can talk about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GinaStringer
    You must've never seen this picture before



    The point is, ideas are cheap.. You won't find anyone become poor because they don't have idea, it's because they don't execute.

    Ideas are everywhere, I'm sure your so called 'big idea' has been done before by someone.
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    • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
      Originally Posted by GinaStringer View Post

      You must've never seen this picture before



      The point is, ideas are cheap.. You won't find anyone become poor because they don't have idea, it's because they don't execute.

      Ideas are everywhere, I'm sure your so called 'big idea' has been done before by someone.
      I love the pic!

      The thing is with the "big idea" (disruptive idea) is they are rare and rarely profitable....

      The ones who make money are those who find a market where there is money flowing and make "improvements."

      iPhone...... Improved on Windows CE Phone.... Blackberry Phone....
      iOS and Windows...... Improved on Xerox's OS......
      Facebook..... Improved on Friendster..... Myspace......
      iPod.... Improved on MP3 players.....
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  • Profile picture of the author trevstar22
    I appreciate the feedback all of you. I recognize that few people would buy the concept just like that, which is why I mentioned that I am ready to partner with an eperienced marketer. I am also hoping some well known marketers might take a look and get interested. In fact my next step is to contact some of them privately.
    But that is not always easy to do. Hence this post.
    As for someone probably having done this already. Nope. You would see the results all over the internet if they had.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      I think what people are trying to gently and wisely tell you is that Either

      A) You are terribly foolish to have a really good idea no one is doing and come on an internet forum to potentially lose the advantage of the idea to someone else.

      or

      B) the idea probably just sucks because you are not even sold enough on it to get off your rear end to make it happen yourself.

      If you are not "inclined" to work on it then B is VERY likely.
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      • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
        Well ideas are just that... Ideas.

        I think if you don't want to make the effort to execute it and just sell it without a proof of concept probably you are just trying to nail someone.

        well every day I have some ideas, and some days I have some that can blown away many marketers but probably that´s because I did not did any PoC, for that you need to be committed to that project and you need to trust it 100%, sometimes its a question of budget but in the majority of the times its about leaving your comfort zone.

        When you stated "(...) Well, the thing is I do not have the time or inclination to test this out, I have bills to pay. (...)" this just tell us that you are not an entrepreneur but I assume a 9-5 co-worker because if you were an entrepreneur and if the idea was completely unique you already had been committed to it and NEVER come here to sell an idea but to SELL a Product or Service.

        That´s normally the difference between a Winner and a Looser. Here in WF I have seen lots of losers.... but fortunately I have found a few winners that reached he next level in terms of business owners and consequently in sales.

        Sorry to be a bit harsh in my post.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    Nobody will want to JV with someone who is the "idea" person and nothing more.

    This is the part where you need to step up and develop the idea, hire or partner with others to fill in your weak spots, and guide this into reality.

    If you are not willing to do that (at the minimum), then this will likely join the junk heap of great ideas that nobody has bothered to execute.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I had an idea once. I thought about not implementing it, too. Three years later, hundreds of thousands of people are glad that I did. Oh ya, my bank account is, too.

    If you have an idea that you think can change lives and also better your own, than you need to do whatever it takes to make that vision a reality. Truth be told, most incredible ideas end up failing for a number of reasons. I promise you that JVZoo was not my first idea. There were many failures before it and I am grateful for each of them.

    Best of luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author gabbydeb
      Wow it''s not very often that one of the internet marketing successes comes on the Warrior forum anymore, to offer insight or suggestions, to help others.

      Thanks for taking the time to do so, Brian.
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      I had an idea once. I thought about not implementing it, too. Three years later, hundreds of thousands of people are glad that I did. Oh ya, my bank account is, too.

      If you have an idea that you think can change lives and also better your own, than you need to do whatever it takes to make that vision a reality. Truth be told, most incredible ideas end up failing for a number of reasons. I promise you that JVZoo was not my first idea. There were many failures before it and I am grateful for each of them.

      Best of luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author trevstar22
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      I had an idea once. I thought about not implementing it, too. Three years later, hundreds of thousands of people are glad that I did. Oh ya, my bank account is, too.

      If you have an idea that you think can change lives and also better your own, than you need to do whatever it takes to make that vision a reality. Truth be told, most incredible ideas end up failing for a number of reasons. I promise you that JVZoo was not my first idea. There were many failures before it and I am grateful for each of them.

      Best of luck to you.
      Thanks Brian, Your advice is deeply appreciated as founder of JVzoo.
      Sent you a PM
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I have a great idea. I've had it for a while. I'm not willing to do it because I wouldn't be happy running the business. Here's the thing. I've actually tossed this idea out here on Warrior Forum several times. I figure that just because I don't want to do it doesn't mean someone else won't. But I still don't see it in the marketplace. Here's the idea:

    I can't tell you how many people have come here in the past asking where they can get a script to emulate fiverr's site and business model. There are already hundreds of fiverr knockoffs and only a few are successful. You know why they're not more successful? Because most of them are copying fiverr right down to the bone. That ain't ever gonna cut it. The idea needs to be new and fresh.

    I propose a site similar to fiverr where you specialize only in graphics. Nothing else. Just graphics and related services like photo touchup, banners, logos, etc. Buy a graphics gig for $10. Sell a graphics gig and receive $9, which means you're charged 10% rather than 20% + like fiverr. Just as fiverr does, you could offer a gig that might require a couple of extra payments. That's it.

    Fiverr has already established the model. All you need to do is devote it to something other than everything under the sun like they have done. Why is no one doing it? Beats me. I wish someone would. Done right it would be a gold mine and it wouldn't take a lot of capital to start it.

    Right now I've got a really great idea for creating various study guides for people needing to get professional licenses. This can be huge. There's already a crowded market for just about every study guide out there. But not the way I'm doing it. I can virtually guarantee people will pass any exam on the first try using my method. This one does appeal to me and I'm well into developing the model.

    I'm always curious about new ideas. If you (OP) would like to message me I'd like to hear it. Not making any promises other than I will keep it confidential. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author trevstar22
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I have a great idea. I've had it for a while. I'm not willing to do it because I wouldn't be happy running the business. Here's the thing. I've actually tossed this idea out here on Warrior Forum several times. I figure that just because I don't want to do it doesn't mean someone else won't. But I still don't see it in the marketplace. Here's the idea:

      I can't tell you how many people have come here in the past asking where they can get a script to emulate fiverr's site and business model. There are already hundreds of fiverr knockoffs and only a few are successful. You know why they're not more successful? Because most of them are copying fiverr right down to the bone. That ain't ever gonna cut it. The idea needs to be new and fresh.

      I propose a site similar to fiverr where you specialize only in graphics. Nothing else. Just graphics and related services like photo touchup, banners, logos, etc. Buy a graphics gig for $10. Sell a graphics gig and receive $9, which means you're charged 10% rather than 20% + like fiverr. Just as fiverr does, you could offer a gig that might require a couple of extra payments. That's it.

      Fiverr has already established the model. All you need to do is devote it to something other than everything under the sun like they have done. Why is no one doing it? Beats me. I wish someone would. Done right it would be a gold mine and it wouldn't take a lot of capital to start it.

      Right now I've got a really great idea for creating various study guides for people needing to get professional licenses. This can be huge. There's already a crowded market for just about every study guide out there. But not the way I'm doing it. I can virtually guarantee people will pass any exam on the first try using my method. This one does appeal to me and I'm well into developing the model.

      I'm always curious about new ideas. If you (OP) would like to message me I'd like to hear it. Not making any promises other than I will keep it confidential. Good luck.
      Hi Travlinguy, that is why I started this thread, to get feedback
      from marketers like yourself. I am delighted that a top level guy like E. Brian Rose founder of JVzoo responded. Just an
      endorsement of the idea from someone like that would blast
      open barriers. This idea can be done as a small WSO or as
      a major launch, with software webinar and all. I would prefer
      The latter and so contacts are vital.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I have a great idea. I've had it for a while. I'm not willing to do it because I wouldn't be happy running the business. Here's the thing. I've actually tossed this idea out here on Warrior Forum several times. I figure that just because I don't want to do it doesn't mean someone else won't. But I still don't see it in the marketplace. Here's the idea:
      ....

      I propose a site similar to fiverr where you specialize only in graphics. Nothing else. Just graphics and related services like photo touchup, banners, logos, etc. Buy a graphics gig for $10. Sell a graphics gig and receive $9, which means you're charged 10% rather than 20% + like fiverr. Just as fiverr does, you could offer a gig that might require a couple of extra payments. That's it.
      There is already a gig site that specializes in graphics?

      Buy & Sell Graphics at GraphicsGigs.com - Graphics Gigs
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        There is already a gig site that specializes in graphics?

        Buy & Sell Graphics at GraphicsGigs.com - Graphics Gigs
        They're not using the model though. Their prices are all over the place. It's the fixed price gig that makes it what it is. It also doesn't look like they're doing much to promote the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author datanet
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      I have a great idea. I've had it for a while. I'm not willing to do it because I wouldn't be happy running the business. Here's the thing. I've actually tossed this idea out here on Warrior Forum several times. I figure that just because I don't want to do it doesn't mean someone else won't. But I still don't see it in the marketplace. Here's the idea:


      I propose a site similar to fiverr where you specialize only in graphics. Nothing else. Just graphics and related services like photo touchup, banners, logos, etc. Buy a graphics gig for $10. Sell a graphics gig and receive $9, which means you're charged 10% rather than 20% + like fiverr. Just as fiverr does, you could offer a gig that might require a couple of extra payments. That's it.
      Hey travlingguy ! Idea is great but it is already done several times over on 99design and designzone,
      also there are numerous websites flooded with people willing to work for 5-10$ .
      Quality is questioned tough .
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

    I have been into Internet marketing for a number of years but yesterday I had a stunning idea for a service that could change the face of online marketing for online businesses everywhere. This would affect almost any seller of high priced goods or services. Plumbers, Doctors, home re modelers, chiropractors, Jewelers, just to name a few. A few companies in very limited niches are doing this now, but surprisingly outside of those niches virtually no companies do this and it's basically a no brainer. It's one of those ideas where you say why didn't I think of that.

    Well, the thing is I do not have the time or inclination to test this out, I have bills to pay. So I would rather just sell the concept as it is or partner with someone who can develop it fast. Are there any reputable marketers out there who would be interested in this? Either to look at the basic concept, determine its feasibility (I have no doubt it is feasible) and endorse it? Or would be interested in testing and developing it?

    Testing could be as simple as putting up a quick web site then contacting businesses
    to offer this service. I hate cold calling companies which is one of the reasons I have
    not tested this.

    I was thinking of posting this on the joint venture forum, but it does not seem to fit the
    criteria there.
    Congrats on having an idea, buddy. It feels great to have an idea that keeps you up at night, and that you think can change the world we live in. It is because someone once had an idea that we have the computer you're working on right now.

    Having said that, your vision, no matter how unique or powerful, is non-transferable. There is no one else on the planet who can, or is willing to, see things the way you do.

    The job of an entrepreneur is not to make cold calls, but to find solutions to problems and hurdles that stand between him and his vision. If you believe in your idea, quit being lazy, and get to work. Find solutions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Trevstar,

    IMO, this tells the world exactly what you really think of your idea!

    Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

    Well, the thing is I do not have the time or inclination to test this out
    You said yourself . . .

    Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

    Testing could be as simple as putting up a quick web site then contacting businesses to offer this service.
    Really, if that's all there is to it, you could spend a few nights and do this yourself!

    Remember where you said your idea "could change the face of online marketing for online businesses everywhere" ? Yet you're not even willing to put a few hours into the idea to see if it's the least bit feasible.

    Yes, this is harsh . . . but if your idea was really that good you would do absolutely whatever it takes to move it forward and find a way to get it done.

    No excuses.

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    • Profile picture of the author trevstar22
      Originally Posted by Lightlysalted View Post

      I have an idea too - anyone want to pay me for it?
      SURE, I'll pay!
      But first you have to tell me the idea.
      Then I have to like it:-)
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I have lots of ideas, maybe I should have a fiverr gig and sell them for 5 bucks ($3.92) my end. you can also get the extra gig for $5.00 where I actually put the idea in writing

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

    This would affect almost any seller of high priced goods or services. Plumbers, Doctors, home re modelers, chiropractors, Jewelers, just to name a few. A few companies in very limited niches are doing this now, but surprisingly outside of those niches virtually no companies do this and it's basically a no brainer.
    I know what the idea is:

    SOMETHING THAT EVEN **YOU** DON'T BELIEVE WILL WORK!!!

    Originally Posted by trevstar22 View Post

    I do not have the time or inclination to test this out, I have bills to pay.
    Me too. What's even worse is that my girlfriend is an older woman. Which means she's an old hag that loves to nag. So if you don't have the time and inclination to test it out... why should I? My life and her's depends on it... would you agree?

    So you're looking for an investor, for an unknown, untested product? That's almost like trying to sell $10,000 consulting services online when you can't even sell a $7 ebook to a list of 100 people.

    But You probably could have gotten me to sign up for it 10 years ago, but due to all the crap on the internet these days... you're probably better off selling porn to someone who visits x-rated sites everyday... instead of ambiguous business ideas.

    Too bad you don't have anything in your signature... you would've probably gotten alot of clicks to it from this 1 thread alone LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author trevstar22
      All you posters that say this won't work, I'm sorry but I have to contradict you.
      I am starting to get some very interesting offers from marketers with solid credentials. Of course, they will have to see the actual idea before any commitment and the idea will have to be to their liking, but that goes without saying. Another point, I am not looking for "investors" to throw money. I am looking for partners. I said I don't like to cold call, there are, believe it or not,
      people who love to cold call. That is what a partnership is all about. But right now it is looking good!
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Wilkinson
    It is impossible to say whether or not someone will be interested in an idea which you have not defined.

    If you have a great idea, there will likely be someone who is interested in at least hearing about it, and possibly buying it from you and taking it from there, but it ALL depends on what the idea is.

    I certainly understand why you haven't just thrown the actual 'idea' out there, for all to see, and possibly take...but I can't answer your question without knowing the merits of your idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author NeedBucksNow
    Hmmm. I would start a page on www.kickstarter.com & see if you can get people to donate money towards getting your product started. I've seen some good stuff on there & that should give you an idea of what people think of it as well. I thought of a cheesy taco about 10 years ago & just wish I could have gotten Doritos to make them back then but it was going to be around $20K to get it started. You can see how popular they are at Taco Bell now though.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrcato2
    Your idea may cost a lot of money to implement, even if it is a great idea. I just have to wonder if it is since your not willing to test your local market with it. Take it to shark tank. Or you could do like the Grateful Dead, did...
    give it away.
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
      Originally Posted by wrcato2 View Post

      Your idea may cost a lot of money to implement, even if it is a great idea. I just have to wonder if it is since your not willing to test your local market with it. Take it to shark tank. Or you could do like the Grateful Dead, did...
      give it away.
      Good advice... there are two really good books about this on Amazon.

      1) Everything I Know About Business I Learned from the Grateful Dead: The Ten Most Innovative Lessons from a Long, Strange Trip

      The Grateful Dead is one of the most popular bands of all time and they have enjoyed incredible relevance to this day. But let's admit it, they were not exactly poster boys for corporate America. In EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT BUSINESS I LEARNED FROM THE GRATEFUL DEAD, Deadhead and business scholar Barry Barnes proves that the Dead's influence on the business world will turn out to be a significant part of their legacy. Without intending to, the band pioneered ideas and practices that were subsequently embraced by American corporations. And in this book Barnes shares the ten most innovative business lessons from the Dead's illustrious career, including:

      -Creating and delivering superior customer value
      -Incorporating and establishing a board of directors early on
      -Founding a merchandising division
      -Giving away your product for free to increase demand

      2)Marketing Lessons from the Grateful Dead: What Every Business Can Learn from the Most Iconic Band in History

      The Grateful Dead broke almost every rule in the music industry book. They encouraged their fans to record shows and trade tapes; they built a mailing list and sold concert tickets directly to fans; and they built their business model on live concerts, not album sales. By cultivating a dedicated, active community, collaborating with their audience to co-create the Deadhead lifestyle, and giving away "freemium" content, the Dead pioneered many social media and inbound marketing concepts successfully used by businesses across all industries today.

      Written by marketing gurus and lifelong Deadheads David Meerman Scott and Brian Halligan, Marketing Lessons from the Grateful Dead gives you key innovations from the Dead's approach you can apply to your business. Find out how to make your fans equal partners in your journey, "lose control" to win, create passionate loyalty, and experience the kind of marketing gains that will not fade away!
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  • Profile picture of the author gabbydeb
    I think the following paragraph you wrote is probably what got negative responses from those who responded to your post. If you were one the Warrior forum Success Stories, then if you had offered your idea but told People that you simply didn't have the time or inclination, to implement it yourself, you would had so many PM's you probably couldn't answer them all.

    What I have found that works here, is either you are working on something and you just need a little help, guidance, and inspiration to keep going, or you have already made it, and then come here to leave a bit of advice or inspiration, or drop an idea here, because you want to show appreciation, for help and inspiration you needed along the way, and got it.

    [QUOTE=trevstar22;9780737]
    Well, the thing is I do not have the time or inclination to test this out, I have bills to pay. So I would rather just sell the concept as it is or partner with someone who can develop it fast. Are there any reputable marketers out there who would be interested in this? Either to look at the basic concept, determine its feasibility (I have no doubt it is feasible) and endorse it? Or would be interested in testing and developing it?
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  • Profile picture of the author wrcato2
    @SteveSki, Really like what you place in the thread. I wasn't a dead head but learn a little from my copy writing mentor Ben Hart. Then I check them out years ago and listen to stories about how they operated their marketing.

    I will definitely have to check that book out and read it.
    Thanks

    William
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkAse
    Almost everyone is correct-ideas are cheap.

    Think about FB as an example, were they the only ones with the idea for a social network? Hardly, but their ability to deliver was better than anyone else's.

    If you want to find someone to JV with, build one working version of the thing first and then move on from there. You'll find a ton of ton of takers (and more high quality offers) if you can prove your concept. It's a lot like chasing VC money in real business, proving a concept is golden.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
      7 years ago I came across a thread almost identical to this one. Many WF members were ridiculing the OP or not being very helpful because he was claiming to have something that would be a huge impact and change the face of Internet Marketing.

      Instead, I sent a PM to see what he had...it turned out that he was onto something.

      Together we worked on adding SEO strategies I was currently using and developed the original concept into one of the most popular link building software tools ever generating over eight figures in sales.

      To the OP, I wished I would have seen this thread earlier. If you havent moved forward with anything, I may be interested, shoot me a PM.

      To anyone else reading this thread, dont be so quick to pass someones idea off as "Just an Idea". Every great product or business all started with just an idea.


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