Using the Word 'The' in your Domain Names

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Dear Warriors, which is the better domain name to own and why? For example, thebestinternetmarketingforum.com or just bestinternetmarketingforum.com.

I am just trying to understand which domain selection choice is a more wise alternative to select in relation to an individual's domain name registrations, but not just for marketing, as well as branding purposes, but for SEO purposes, as well.

For example, if an individual chooses to not include the word 'the' in a domain name registration, will this in turn cause the search engines to reward a domain name without the word 'the' in it more positively, if for instance, the keyword term that you are trying to rank for does not include the word 'the' in it, as well, and also?

Or will including the word 'the', in an individual's domain name registration not make a difference really in either other way, unless of course the keyword phrase you are targeting includes the word 'the' in it also, and in which case being then, maybe it will be a more intelligent decision for an individual to include the word 'the' in the domain name, as well, and also.

To include, or not to include, the word 'the' in your domain name registrations. That is the question that is being asked by me today.

Let me hear your thoughts on this topic everyone......... Thank you!!!!!!!!!

Best Wishes,
Raiel Schwartz
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I would get both. Use the one without "the" for the site and redirect the other

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    • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      I would get both. Use the one without "the" for the site and redirect the other

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      Strictly speaking, which choice is better for just SEO purposes, in your own opinion then (with, or without, the word 'the' in your own domain name)?

      After all, even if both domain names are registered by me, it is still important to know which domain name is the domain name that should have backlinks added by me for. Even if, let's say for instance, that the keyword phrase that is being targeted by me still, will not include the word, 'the', in it also.
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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by Raiel Schwartz View Post

        Strictly speaking, which choice is better for just SEO purposes, in your own opinion then (with, or without, the word 'the' in your own domain name)?

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        I don't think it really matters. It is the content and linking on the site that will have an affect on SEO not the domain

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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Never, never, never- did I say never yet? - use - I repeat, never use - supporting words like "the" in a domain. It decreases domain value, people often forget to use it, and the lack of aesthetic professionalism hurts conversions and growth. And I could go on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
      Originally Posted by Tom Addams View Post

      Never, never, never- did I say never yet? - use - I repeat, never use - supporting words like "the" in a domain. It decreases domain value, people often forget to use it, and the lack of aesthetic professionalism hurts conversions and growth. And I could go on.
      I am interested to hear more of your thoughts about this, as there is a particular product that is being recalled back to my memory that included the word 'the' in it, and not just in the domain name, but in the product name as well, and it was quite a huge success when it first launched also.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
        Originally Posted by Raiel Schwartz View Post

        I am interested to hear more of your thoughts about this, as there is a particular product that is being recalled back to my memory that included the word 'the' in it, and not just in the domain name, but in the product name as well, and it was quite a huge success when it first launched also.
        There are exceptions that prove the rule. Generally speaking? Avoid supporting words.

        I notice you mention the SEO implications in your initial post. Contrary to popular belief, supporting words like this can negatively impact SEO. The various search algos really could not care less nowadays - call yourself pinkfluffyfloppyrabbitearsarekool .com if you like, as far as they're concerned - but a good domain impacts so many different things: the ability to be remembered, efficient communication of our "message," the overall impression we elicit in our audience. And when you do anything to put off the target market, they're likely to be less engaged, likely to visit less or not at all, and these things and many more do play a vital role in SEO.

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    • Profile picture of the author jazbo
      And I am sure you will go on. I'm also sure it will all be as inaccurate as your efforts below.

      Are you seriously claiming a brand with "The" in the title of it's domain will be hurt?

      Really?

      Originally Posted by Tom Addams View Post

      Never, never, never- did I say never yet? - use - I repeat, never use - supporting words like "the" in a domain. It decreases domain value, people often forget to use it, and the lack of aesthetic professionalism hurts conversions and growth. And I could go on.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        I purchase 'the' in most domains that I own, mainly for not allowing any competitor the opportunity to do so. I redirect one to the other. Yes, I generally by the .net and ,org names, also. Money well spent.

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  • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
    not that any of your claims are being doubted by me Tom, but is there any evidence that you can link me to that states where, or how exactly that using a supporting word in a domain name such as the word 'the', will cause negative seo implications? Sorry to put you on the spot here bud', but any information that is viewed by me that explains this out in greater details will always be more helpful for me to have for making my next decision in relation to a domain name registration that is being contemplated by me. Thank you, and Best Wishes, Yours Truly, Raiel Schwartz
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    I doubt search engines care about supporting words anymore, if they ever did.

    But even if they did, you are focusing on the wrong thing.

    What the engines really like is original content that human beings find useful.

    Focusing on domain semantics is an unnecessary distraction. If you can get both, get both. If not, just find one that makes you happy, then focus on building it into a high quality site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I understand the arguments against using "the" type words in a domain name however...

    ...I don't think it would effect this forum, for example, one iota if it was called The Warrior Forum.com.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    The domain name is not that important whether you use "the" or not. It all comes down to how are you going to drive traffic to it. Too many people worry too much about their domain name and not enough on how they are going to get traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elvis Michael
    I really think you're over-thinking this. Don't let SEO consume you this much, especially when implemented into the domain name. I'm not telling you to downright ignore SEO altogether, of course; just don't worry about something as mundane as "The" affecting your SEO value.

    Just worry about implementing proper SEO procedures in the content itself and you'll be fine. We all see tons of domain names everyday with very little SEO value that are still ranking well (mainly cutesy or catchy names). This is due to the effort they put into the content itself.

    As far as "The" affecting you SEO-wise, I don't think this ever mattered or was ever an SEO factor (this is only my personal opinion). It's just one of thousands of unsubstantiated theories and speculation that people have come up with over the years.

    So, for the record: Pick the one that rolls off the tongue easier and move on. In my personal opinion, dropping the "The" sounds better.

    Trust me, at some point in the future you're going to look back and laugh, wondering why you even considered such a thing so much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Okay . . .

    I sense a tiny bit (barely noticeable though it may be) of irritation at the suggestion that supporting words like "the" in a domain name are a no-no.

    That's fine. We're all welcome to our opinions.

    Speaking of which - let me shed some more light on my own . . .

    Does an EMD influence ranking? It does, indeed. The EMD Update targeted poor sites that took advantage of the EMD ranking juice. But good EMD sites? They do still - and likely always will - receive a little more ranking power.

    How does this impact a domain like TheExampleDomain.com? This is known as a "partial EMD" and, statistically, has less power than a full EMD.

    All of that however - and I could talk all day and add a great deal more - is beside the point. Any SEO worth his or her salt should be able to rank any domain pretty much anywhere he or she likes. Pretty much. You may struggle with a number one spot for "Viagra." On the whole, though, the choice of name is almost - almost - irrelevant if you know what you're doing.

    Sooooooo. What is relevant to the "the" discussion, then? Well, as it happens, quite a few things.

    1. Statistically, domains with "the" as the prefix are significantly less valuable than the EMDs without, assuming the word "the" is unnecessary - the same applies to any domains with unnecessary words.

    2. Such domains have a negative impact on perceived value. It's a bit like comparing a Casio and a Rolex. TheKeywordDomain.com and KeywordDomain.com; the latter being the Rolex. The loss of perceived value can effect how people react to a domain and the website behind it. They may not trust the recommendations as much, they may see the products or services as "less than" elsewhere, so on and so forth. Sales conversions are affected. Traffic growth, too.

    If you disagree here, then you have to wonder why people and businesses pay hundreds of thousands and often millions for the right domain. Just to reiterate - these domains tend not to be those with unnecessary "thes." (Notice the intentional understatement.)

    3. When you consider 2, you have to consider some of the biggest ranking weights: social signals. Will people value the website enough to share and further engage? On the whole, people would much rather engage the Rolex.

    I could go on. Point is this: when choosing a domain name, you have to ensure all of the words are - here it comes - necessary. This is fundamental domain naming practice. If the word "the" IS necessary, then sure - use it. If not? Well, you know the answer.

    Only. Necessary. Words.

    The word "the" itself, when supporting and unnecessary, is a poor move. To the typical webmaster, the safe, logical, usually accepted move is to either purchase or register a valuable domain (which immediately adds value to a new project) or go with a branded domain.

    On the whole - a supporting "the" will help in neither case.

    Good, eh?

    P.S: I'm going to give thanks to the posts that entertained me the most. I was worried Letterman retiring would chip away at the world's entertainment value. Wrong . . . on that score, at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    It doesn't matter. If you're the best at what you do, you could name your internet marketing forum "cut-the-crap.com", and you still could become wealthy. All because of the power of your marketing - not your domain name.

    Real life example: "potpiegirl.com"
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    • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
      thanks for all of the information guys, but when it comes down to the branding, and marketing of a domain name as well, is there not value to be associated with adding the word 'the' in the domain name also?

      Let's take for instance if a product is created by me titled the best shoe cleaner. In this case example then, wouldn't it be a better option for me to select a domain name that matches my product title exactly, for instance, thebestshoecleaner.com, or do you think that keeping it simple, and taking bestshoecleaner.com instead is simply a better choice.

      Again, it is also understood by me, that as a marketer, grabbing both domain names is also a possibility for any of us out there, but what is being sought out by me first, is to uncover how people feel about going for a domain name with the word the in it, opposed to not including it at all, as it relates to branding, marketing, and more importantly search engine optimization as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
        Originally Posted by Raiel Schwartz View Post

        ... when it comes down to the branding, and marketing of a domain name as well, is there not value to be associated with adding the word 'the' in the domain name also?
        Matter of preference. You won't find one right answer for every phrase.

        Best to sound it out and see what you like better. Then work to bring the audience along for your ride.
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        • Profile picture of the author MoneySavingLisa
          For me, I really don't care. I usually choose my domain names out of what is memorable and what sounds cool. But that's just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author zdebx
    Choosing a domain and thinking about SEO, is like buying a Ferrari and worrying about fuel consumption...

    Who cares about SEO? A domain is your BRAND, it's your image, your status. That's how people will remember you and if it's a catchy name, then instead of searching it in Google, they will type it directly in the address bar.

    Now compare "Google.com" and "thebestsearchengine.com"...

    You get what I'm saying?
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