When should I create a business?

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Hey fellow warriors,

Got an interesting question here. I recently stumbled upon an IM technique that is really starting to pay off. It's paying off so well that I'm making more through this technique than I make in my day job. Hard work and persistence does pay off in the end!

So, I'm considering the impact this is going have come tax season. I'm stashing away 33% of the gross profits like a good tax payer. But a part of me is wondering if I should start a business. But I don't know when it becomes worth it, such as when do you start saving money with taxes. I'm sure this is going to bump me up a tax bracket or two which I think means I'll have to additionally pay a higher % of taxes on my day job income than I would otherwise.

I have a fair amount of operating costs such as web hosting and domains, email list management, advertising, etc. I'm trying to catalog all these costs, but at the end of the year they're all mixed in my day to day purchases so I'm sure this is going to be fun especially if I'm ever audited.

So my question is, when Should I create a business when involved with IM? When does it start making sense to separate myself and a company. And maybe what type of business works best with IM, LLC or Sole Proprietorship?

Not looking for legal advice here, but rather from all you business owners out there, when did you decide to create a business and what type of business did you create?
#business #business advice #create #tax
  • Profile picture of the author ZanyZebra
    When should you marry your girlfriend?
    When should you buy a Harley Davidson?
    When should you start a business?

    The honest answer to all of these is, DON'T.

    Ever!

    At least, not unless you are head-over-your-heels in love with your girlfriend, a Harley, or the potential of your business.

    If you truly lust after your fledgling business then the answer is, as soon as is practically possible (the same answer applies also to your girlfriend and the Harley).

    If you are fully aware of the risks you are taking on, if you are fully aware of the opportunities it may bring, if you are going into it with eyes wide open, then do it.

    Some will tell you, don't do it until you have at least 6 months of your day-job salary in the bank as a back up. Or, don't do it until you have the total support of everyone who is close and around you. But the real answer is, if you're passionate about the potential, then you must go ahead as soon as you can.

    So, instead of asking "When should i create a business?" you might ask "What's to stop me getting started on my business full time?"

    The answer to that is in your heart, not in anybody else's head. Yes I own and manage a successful ecommerce business that averages 6 figures a month in income. Yes I made the leap to full time entrepreneur and am grateful i did. Yes I can remember that point in time, for myself, that you now face. But I can't tell you the answer to your question.

    I doubt anybody else can either.

    Hope this helps.

    Make the right decision for the right reasons having asked yourself the right questions.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
      Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

      When should you marry your girlfriend?
      When should you buy a Harley Davidson?
      When should you start a business?

      The honest answer to all of these is, DON'T.

      Ever!

      At least, not unless you are head-over-your-heels in love with your girlfriend, a Harley, or the potential of your business.

      If you truly lust after your fledgling business then the answer is, as soon as is practically possible (the same answer applies also to your girlfriend and the Harley).

      If you are fully aware of the risks you are taking on, if you are fully aware of the opportunities it may bring, if you are going into it with eyes wide open, then do it.

      Some will tell you, don't do it until you have at least 6 months of your day-job salary in the bank as a back up. Or, don't do it until you have the total support of everyone who is close and around you. But the real answer is, if you're passionate about the potential, then you must go ahead as soon as you can.

      So, instead of asking "When should i create a business?" you might ask "What's to stop me getting started on my business full time?"

      The answer to that is in your heart, not in anybody else's head. Yes I own and manage a successful ecommerce business that averages 6 figures a month in income. Yes I made the leap to full time entrepreneur and am grateful i did. Yes I can remember that point in time, for myself, that you now face. But I can't tell you the answer to your question.

      I doubt anybody else can either.

      Hope this helps.

      Make the right decision for the right reasons having asked yourself the right questions.

      Good luck.
      The intentions are good, but this advice is wrong.

      If you are making money on this, it is a business now and should be treated as such.

      Take some of those profits to a small business attorney and make yourself legit, yesterday.

      It is not just about paying taxes. It is also about shielding yourself from certain liabilities.

      And the easiest way to stop commingling personal and professional finances is to get a business checking account and credit card. But to do that, you need the EIN and LLC in order.

      There is no good reason to stall. You already know that the longer you wait, the more complicated it will be to untangle.

      Go do it now.

      P.S. Congratulations! This falls under the category of great problems to have. You are already ahead of 99% of the people in this forum. Now keep a steady and deliberate course, and always look for opportunities to reinvest in yourself and your business to keep growing.
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      • Profile picture of the author ZanyZebra
        Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

        The intentions are good, but this advice is wrong.

        If you are making money on this, it is a business now and should be treated as such.

        Take some of those profits to a small business attorney and make yourself legit, yesterday.

        It is not just about paying taxes. It is also about shielding yourself from certain liabilities.

        And the easiest way to stop commingling personal and professional finances is to get a business checking account and credit card. But to do that, you need the EIN and LLC in order.

        There is no good reason to stall. You already know that the longer you wait, the more complicated it will be to untangle.

        Go do it now.

        P.S. Congratulations! This falls under the category of great problems to have. You are already ahead of 99% of the people in this forum. Now keep a steady and deliberate course, and always look for opportunities to reinvest in yourself and your business to keep growing.
        OP, Levitikon, the above quoted intentions are good but his advice is wrong.

        To repeat, nobody can tell you when it is right or wrong to start your own business full-time. They can't possibly know you, your circumstances, your mindset.

        Deep down inside you may already have a sense that nobody can really tell you.

        In fact, the psychological and existential struggle that people go through in trying to address this, for themselves, is very important. It's all about fear and risk balanced with opportunity and ambition.

        It's the very conditions that a true entrepreneurial spirit is forged from. Wrestle with it.

        Give yourself your own answer.

        I myself have faced this 3 times so far. As a serial entrepreneur i've started 3 businesses in my lifetime, 2 of them have been highly successful (the latest being an ecommerce business that earns 6 figures a month on average).

        Good luck with your own internal struggle. Don't avoid it.
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        • Profile picture of the author mich800
          Originally Posted by ZanyZebra View Post

          His intentions are good but his advice is wrong.

          To repeat, nobody can tell you when it is right or wrong to start your own business full-time.

          Deep down inside you may already know this.
          I don't think that was the question. They are not asking when to quit their day job but when to make a more formal business structure other than sole proprietor.
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          • Profile picture of the author ZanyZebra
            Originally Posted by mich800 View Post

            I don't think that was the question. They are not asking when to quit their day job but when to make a more formal business structure other than sole proprietor.
            The heading of his question is - "When should I create a business?"

            To quote the OP - "But a part of me is wondering if I should start a business."

            My original response to the OP, post #2, addresses his fledgling business and the issue of starting full time.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
            Originally Posted by mich800 View Post

            I don't think that was the question. They are not asking when to quit their day job but when to make a more formal business structure other than sole proprietor.
            Right.

            The cost of getting legit is an LLC filing (most states are between $50-$250), an EIN (free), a business checking account (free) and - optionally - a short consult with an attorney and/or CPA to help with local guidance and peace of mind, which I would recommend for first-timers (free to $200).

            So if money is not the issue, what is? Some misguided sense of frontier spirit? Some misguided sense of "it is not a business until I say it is a business"?

            I call bull to both. It is a business, and you need to treat it like one sooner rather than later. It has nothing to do with whether you operate it full time or exclusively. If you are spending money on it, making money from it, and doing business as it, call it what it is and make it legit.

            The risks of not doing it are stupid compared to the minimal cost and effort of doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JosephC
    Originally Posted by Levitikon View Post


    So, I'm considering the impact this is going have come tax season. I'm stashing away 33% of the gross profits like a good tax payer.
    You are off to a good start!

    Originally Posted by Levitikon View Post


    I have a fair amount of operating costs such as web hosting and domains, email list management, advertising, etc. I'm trying to catalog all these costs, but at the end of the year they're all mixed in my day to day purchases so I'm sure this is going to be fun especially if I'm ever audited.
    Get Waveapps. It is a free accounting system that will help you manage all of this. It will help you keep business and personal expenses separate and for the most part it is automated. Just connect it to your bank/paypal account and let it go to work. This will come in handy if you are ever audited or need an accountant.

    Originally Posted by Levitikon View Post


    So my question is, when Should I create a business when involved with IM? When does it start making sense to separate myself and a company. And maybe what type of business works best with IM, LLC or Sole Proprietorship?
    The sooner, the better. You are already a sole proprietor. In my state, you do not need any special licence to be one (unless you are operating under another name that is not yours, then you need a DBA) Check your state laws on this. But if you are in business, you are a sole proprietor.

    When you are an LLC, your business is a separate entity from you. You will pay your own paycheck out of your business profits.

    I created an LLC. I like having my business ventures separate from me. I also save money on taxes because I can deduct the social security and medicare tax as a business expense and I get to choose how much I pay myself. When you are a sole proprietor, you pay the "self-employment tax" on all of your profit. When you have an LLC, you only pay that tax based off of what your paycheck is.

    However, there are other business taxes depending on your state) so you should look into your state's business tax laws.

    I do not do all of my own legal stuff. I have an accountant. I recommend you find a good one too. A good accountant is worth the money because they can save you more money than you pay them. They also save you valuable time that you could be using to run your business. My accountant is a mad genius who has saved my ass on more than one occasion.

    Good luck, friend!
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  • Profile picture of the author ksummers
    You already have started a business , the moment you started trading. Sounds like you need to get sorted when it comes to keeping accounts. For IM, if your business model is fairly simple then a basic spreadsheet detailing income and outgoings you update regularly might be enough.
    I'm a sole proprietor. Selling through multiple avenues can get tricky when it comes to accounts. I don't have an accountant though because I don't need one yet. It sounds like you might benefit from the advice of one though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan S
    Best time to create a business? NOW! ... there are only so many tomorrows. If you wait for this and that before you start a business, you'll end up waiting forever.
    Business is a process not an overnight undertaking that's why windows got so many versions, it started from a very unconvincing windows 3.1 to eye catching windows 8, etc. Bill Gates didn't wait until computer hardware can support the requirements of Windows 8. If you start creating your business now, it will improve itself along the way... so much to learn along the way and with it rooms for improvement. Your plan may even change along the way and you'll find that the direction of your business may not be the direction you've previously planned. Goodluck to your business!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      I don't know where you live, but in some states here in the U.S., you are considered "doing business" when your selling reaches a certain minimum level, like $400 or some other benchmark. Until you reach their somewhat arbitrary minimum level you are said to be a hobbyist.

      Some cities and towns require that you get a business license in order to sell your wares.

      So when you create a business may, or may not be in your hands. It may be dictated by your actions.

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  • Profile picture of the author chenkong
    When you should create a business? RIGHT NOW!
    Start from the small thing that you have the knowledge or experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    I would set up a business now...how do you plan to write off your expenses with out having it set up?

    Plus you can write off the costs that it cost you to set it up.

    I've always set up a business before I started operating.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Fool
    Go talk to a local CPA (Certified Public Accountant) and ask them... many will talk to you for free (no need to go to a lawyer, they don't know accounting anyway).
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  • Profile picture of the author Aur1mas
    Totally when you have an idea and you are sure it will work! However, your beliefs are not the only thing that matters. Do the market reearch and see if there still are some space for you, if not, it might mean that the idea you have is not as good as though it is. Business usually succeed when you have something original and difficult to offer.
    When all of this is clear, I would also suggest you to create your business plan first - think of where you will start and where you will end. This will ensure that you are going to the right direction and not sticking at one place the whole time.
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  • Profile picture of the author winnermarketing
    The answer is:

    - MOVE YOU TAXES ABROAD
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    • Profile picture of the author JosephC
      Originally Posted by winnermarketing View Post

      The answer is:

      - MOVE YOU TAXES ABROAD
      GAHHHH!!!! This is terrible advice!

      You better be joking...
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    move your taxes aboard???, Jeeepers!!! really. LOL.

    I would not take financial advice in here, especially from novice and inexperienced members.

    What you need to do is :-

    1) Plan your business

    2) Plan what sort of model you are going to use

    3) Allocate time and what TRAFFIC sources you will be using to advertise. FREE / PAID, I recommend paid traffic. [much quicker]

    4) Once these been done, go to a business specialist or your local tax consultant / financial planner to finalize the details, and have you set up properly.

    And do not take tax advise on this forum, from anyone, go to see someone who knows and who is experienced at this.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevefox88
    Start a business when you learn more and more in WF
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