Does this simple formula work for anyone?

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Step one: find a affiliate product
Step two: create a landing page (lead pages or similar)
Step three: run a split test FB ad campaign.
Step four: profit?

Please let me know about your experience. Who has time to wait for 10 dollars a day for a first listing on Google. Anybody that wants to be apart of the middle class in American needs to make 200 a day pretax. Leave your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    hey there,


    not a bad little post...but what most people won't realise online is that to make any good money you need money.


    Sure you can do seo for 3 years then make some little money and if your good make big money.


    But people just think put up a few ads and make an affiliate website and make money.


    Now some lucky people can do this but not 99% of people.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheEnterpriser
      Originally Posted by shaunybb View Post

      hey there,


      not a bad little post...but what most people won't realise online is that to make any good money you need money.


      Sure you can do seo for 3 years then make some little money and if your good make big money.


      But people just think put up a few ads and make an affiliate website and make money.


      Now some lucky people can do this but not 99% of people.
      I really am curious to what other paths there are to make money online (reasonable amount) in a reasonable amount of time. I recently launched an ecommerce store. I have done all of the tips and tricks you can think of. I share on social media, onsite see, offsite seo, keyword research, etc. at this point, I am starting to think the only way to go is find a product or affiliate product and try to have a profitable FB or Adwords campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Kirby
    You're probably just not doing it right.

    Most EComm advice is extremely outdated and more focused on either finding mathematic logical products to sell that never do or trying to find off the wall long tail keywords.

    Pretty much stupid advice IMO.

    For FB selling physical products you usually get the best results not using landing pages but instead using FBs ad platform to blister up your FB presence. However this entails using. Specific line of products not hypothetical nonsense.

    While I have heard stories of people just doing some "overnight loophole" to generate free traffic, it's just not a legitimate business model. That's my opinion though. YMMV
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    • Profile picture of the author TheEnterpriser
      Originally Posted by John Kirby View Post

      You're probably just not doing it right.

      Most EComm advice is extremely outdated and more focused on either finding mathematic logical products to sell that never do or trying to find off the wall long tail keywords.

      Pretty much stupid advice IMO.

      For FB selling physical products you usually get the best results not using landing pages but instead using FBs ad platform to blister up your FB presence. However this entails using. Specific line of products not hypothetical nonsense.

      While I have heard stories of people just doing some "overnight loophole" to generate free traffic, it's just not a legitimate business model. That's my opinion though. YMMV
      Itm drop shipping from aliexpress. I have been writing good content blog articles. Manually building an Instagram following and commenting on blogs in my niche and I'm Barely getting any traffic. I have been using google webmaster tools to get my sites submitted Google. I don't see how anybody can get meaningful traffic in a decent amount of time without paying for it. I follow what I assume is good ecommerce advice from shopify
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      • Profile picture of the author John Kirby
        Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

        I don't see how anybody can get meaningful traffic in a decent amount of time without paying for it. I follow what I assume is good ecommerce advice from shopify
        Short answer is you can't get meaningful traffic doing "free" anything. It's the ultimate IM pipe dream. Spend $0 and take in millions. Especially in the physical product world where you have actual businesses that are competent and have large advertising budgets. The only way you may be able to drop ship things using social media won't be the stuff you are doing.

        Remember Shopify gets paid on subscription selling the same pipedream that you just have to do XYZ free thing. In truth they don't care one bit whether you make a sale or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheEnterpriser
          Originally Posted by John Kirby View Post

          Short answer is you can't get meaningful traffic doing "free" anything. It's the ultimate IM pipe dream. Spend $0 and take in millions. Especially in the physical product world where you have actual businesses that are competent and have large advertising budgets. The only way you may be able to drop ship things using social media won't be the stuff you are doing.

          Remember Shopify gets paid on subscription selling the same pipedream that you just have to do XYZ free thing. In truth they don't care one bit whether you make a sale or not.
          From what I am gathering, the most tried and true way is good at Facebook targeting ads, send that traffic to an email sign up landing page that offers something free. Send these subscribers emails that contain useful actual information. Then, after building trust, send an affiliate offer or your own product. I have one question though, how would I tweak this for ecommerce? Send the product link through email with a discount code? If email lists are King, is content marketing a joke?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dano77
            So interesting that everyone has a piece of the picture.

            Some folks spend years trying to figure out the mystery of conversion. Some love the list approach. Sure, multiple kicks at the can, and a chance for them to get to know you... But be honest, 29% at best are opening.

            Some say pay for traffic. Partly the issue sure.
            Some say build relationship (a longer method of building credibility and trust than other methods)

            Here's the bottom line process, whether straight to lander or list or affiliate link.

            - have an exact identified user.
            - have an exact pain that 70% or more of the targets all have and consciously agree a solution would be worth it's weight in gold
            - An easily proven method of demonstrating the product solves that pain
            - A way of reaching the sliver of people were talking about with the pain.

            One reason I love search, 3am, where do we go with our issues? Google.

            If you have people in pain, hungry people... And you prove you can solve it... (Bonus if it's an expensive problem) and you have a credible looking site that's well designed, endorsed etc. you'll make sales.

            Even better is to have trusted sources recommend and send people to YOUR site. Then, your site could be a dog and still make sales.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Kirby
            Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

            From what I am gathering, the most tried and true way is good at Facebook targeting ads, send that traffic to an email sign up landing page that offers something free. Send these subscribers emails that contain useful actual information. Then, after building trust, send an affiliate offer or your own product. I have one question though, how would I tweak this for ecommerce? Send the product link through email with a discount code? If email lists are King, is content marketing a joke?
            You have to remember and keep in mind that before everything else, FB is a social site. Depending on what you are selling (and I am assuming that it is more or less expensive things so you have a higher margin) FB just doesn't work with dropshipping with an optin model.

            You can't build a cause or a sense of community around most physical products even with an AR. Just because you are targeting pool players doesn't mean that they will buy a $400 pool table.

            What you want to focus on is a rabid overly passionate group of people and directly sell them things that they impulsively want. An extreme example are grandmas and dolls. Or older people in general buying stuff from the shopping networks. They don't need it, but they impulsively want it.

            You'll usually not be able to create the environment in order to sell most generic DS items... because DS is the easiest thing to get into.
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          • Profile picture of the author THK
            Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

            From what I am gathering, the most tried and true way is good at Facebook targeting ads, send that traffic to an email sign up landing page that offers something free. Send these subscribers emails that contain useful actual information. Then, after building trust, send an affiliate offer or your own product. I have one question though, how would I tweak this for ecommerce? Send the product link through email with a discount code? If email lists are King, is content marketing a joke?
            For ecommerce most "tried and true way" is probably search ppc (adwords). More expensive though.

            It is not email list or content marketing. It is both. What are you going to send to your list? Just discount codes? People will stop caring.

            Not much tweaking for ecommerce. Lead with content, get them on your list. Send content and offer together.

            If you think a little bit, you will realize there is a difference in intent of people on search engines and social media sites. Adjust your content accordingly.

            One more thing, I will send the "useful information" and "offer" together. People who want to complain about your offer, they will complain no matter what. If your "useful information" is strong enough, most people won't mind the "offer".
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

        Itm drop shipping from aliexpress.
        You and how many others???? Could this be contributing to your problem?

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    **************** The answer is NO. **********

    Why wasting money on brutal selling?

    It's FAR BETTER to have an opt-in page. To build a List and THEN promote affiliate product
    of a particular Niche.

    The System indeed is very simple:

    - Find a Niche where there are competition and potential buyers.

    - Build an OPT-IN PAGE and then give something in return of the mail (Most of the affiliate products have an affiliation page where there are reports etc, to give for free. Or you can outsource to a fiverr or upwork guy)

    - In the THANK YOU page you can promote an affiliate product.

    - Email FUNNEL for nurturing leads and promote VARIOUS affiliate products and if you are clever YOUR PRODUCT, so you can earn 100% (outsource it or build it by your own).

    For building a list you can have a lot of options, fb ads, google ads, solo ads, etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

    Step one: find a affiliate product
    Step two: create a landing page (lead pages or similar)
    Step three: run a split test FB ad campaign.
    Step four: profit?

    Please let me know about your experience. Who has time to wait for 10 dollars a day for a first listing on Google. Anybody that wants to be apart of the middle class in American needs to make 200 a day pretax. Leave your thoughts.
    It's a start. But you need to implement some sort of Relationship Building medium...a.k.a collecting information and developing a List of Subscribers that you can communicate with and share helpful content with and offer Products that can further help them.

    Try starting out with 10 Follow Ups before you start to promote that Product. Have the first email or two to introduce yourself and what you have done in the past and what you want to do for them.


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    • Profile picture of the author TheEnterpriser
      Thank you everyone for the advice. I'll implement these strategies immediately!
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

    Step one: find a affiliate product
    Step two: create a landing page (lead pages or similar)
    Step three: run a split test FB ad campaign.
    Step four: profit?
    That's not the way we do it. But even if it was, so what? Yes, that "formula" is simple -- but it's too simple.

    There are thousands of ways to accomplish each and every one of those steps, and clearly some of those ways are going to be better than others. Moreover, some are going to be more applicable to certain businesses trying to meet the needs of certain types of customers. And nobody gets it right on the first try. Every one of those steps needs to be tried, tested and revised until you do better and better with each passing iteration -- which brings up another problem with your "formula": it's too sequential, when really a "formula" for a successful business (if there ever could be such a formula) would be iterative.

    The fact is that you can break just about anything down into a simple formula, but that doesn't mean it's helpful.

    For instance, here's a four step process to get to Mars:
    1. Build spaceship and space suits
    2. Launch rocket
    3. Steer rocket to Mars
    4. Land
    Do you get the sense that I might be missing a few important details there?

    Or we could try something a little less complex. Here's a simple formula for how to slam dunk a basketball:
    1. Dribble the ball
    2. Run towards the hoop
    3. Jump
    4. Stuff the ball into the basket
    Now everybody can slam dunk a basketball, right? Except... I'm under six feet tall... And I'm a good, but not exceptional jumper... Something tells me that even following that simple formula isn't going to do me much good...

    So yeah, you can over-simplify anything. But that doesn't mean it's going to get you anywhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

      That's not the way we do it. But even if it was, so what? Yes, that "formula" is simple -- but it's too simple.

      There are thousands of ways to accomplish each and every one of those steps, and clearly some of those ways are going to be better than others. Moreover, some are going to be more applicable to certain businesses trying to meet the needs of certain types of customers. And nobody gets it right on the first try. Every one of those steps needs to be tried, tested and revised until you do better and better with each passing iteration -- which brings up another problem with your "formula": it's too sequential, when really a "formula" for a successful business (if there ever could be such a formula) would be iterative.

      The fact is that you can break just about anything down into a simple formula, but that doesn't mean it's helpful.

      For instance, here's a four step process to get to Mars:
      1. Build spaceship and space suits
      2. Launch rocket
      3. Steer rocket to Mars
      4. Land
      Do you get the sense that I might be missing a few important details there?

      Or we could try something a little less complex. Here's a simple formula for how to slam dunk a basketball:
      1. Dribble the ball
      2. Run towards the hoop
      3. Jump
      4. Stuff the ball into the basket
      Now everybody can slam dunk a basketball, right? Except... I'm under six feet tall... And I'm a good, but not exceptional jumper... Something tells me that even following that simple formula isn't going to do me much good...

      So yeah, you can over-simplify anything. But that doesn't mean it's going to get you anywhere.
      kilgore, as usual you just do not any service with your diatribe...it's boring, no-nonsense, straight to the point, and ever so true with keen insight...something that seems to get lost here anymore at WF
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

    Step one: find a affiliate product
    Step two: create a landing page (lead pages or similar)
    Step three: run a split test FB ad campaign.
    Step four: profit?

    Please let me know about your experience. Who has time to wait for 10 dollars a day for a first listing on Google. Anybody that wants to be apart of the middle class in American needs to make 200 a day pretax. Leave your thoughts.
    Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

    Itm drop shipping from aliexpress. I have been writing good content blog articles. Manually building an Instagram following and commenting on blogs in my niche and I'm Barely getting any traffic. I have been using google webmaster tools to get my sites submitted Google. I don't see how anybody can get meaningful traffic in a decent amount of time without paying for it. I follow what I assume is good ecommerce advice from shopify
    You left the traffic step out of your first post.

    Kurt's Rule #1 of marketing: You MUST be able to SPECIFICALLY answer the question: Where EXACTLY will I find customers?

    The answer to this question is the key to making money. And just like learning to play an old blues song, it's simple, but it isn't easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    It could work. You'll need to do a fair bit of testing but you could find profit.

    But as many of others have mentioned, you would likely be better off building a list and then monetizing your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    capture them leads...

    collect them all, like pokemon..

    own the traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edwin Torres
    It's a very simplified model but yeah it works. The thing is to make FB ads work you'll initially be spending way more than $10 unless you strike gold and target correctly.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmartinez
    From my own experience online for 4 years I have made money with this formula. The way I did it though is by also creating a few videos about the product, redirecting to a blog psot or video explaining more about the product and offering bonuses. My profits were really good since I did not spend hardly anything on an ad. I simply boosted the post and offered a good bonus. I also syndicated on other blog networks like Medium, Blogger, Tumblr with Video embedding. I also recommend using Google Hangouts and Social signal gigs on fiverr to help with rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluemotion
    Originally Posted by TheEnterpriser View Post

    Step one: find a affiliate product
    Step two: create a landing page (lead pages or similar)
    Step three: run a split test FB ad campaign.
    Step four: profit?

    Please let me know about your experience. Who has time to wait for 10 dollars a day for a first listing on Google. Anybody that wants to be apart of the middle class in American needs to make 200 a day pretax. Leave your thoughts.
    You missed out one vital point. Before you find a product, you must identify a need, and find a product to fill that need. No good trying to sell a product that nobody wants.
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  • Profile picture of the author desley
    Interesting ? and interesting comments.

    Unless you know what you're doing, you can literally burn through your entire savings with FB ads.

    Potentially you could research FB for some reputable Solo Ads providers and check them out. If you're going to spend $$$ better to spend those $$$ on a reputable Solo Ad provider who will send traffic to your relevant link; than go hit and miss with FB ads. The only people making money out of FB is actually FB!!!.

    Read an article in the Sydney Morning Herald this arvo where one of the major credit agencies guys who kind of predicts how companies will go is saying unlike Wall St that FB in the next couple of years is going to go south (their shares value that is) due to Snapchat and other social media platforms etc.

    Problem with FB is their stuff is now damn hard to even be able to reach people to see your FB posts - it's now FB who determines whether your post will get more views and extended reach which is one hellva pain in the arse; and if other FB users are like me, as soon as they see a damn unwanted ad on their timeline (courtesy of FB trying to boost its fast losing ads revenue) they simply delete the ad and basically inform FB to bugger off. Really is bloody annoying having FB shoving ads in people's timelines and no way for the owner of the timeline to be able to switch the b.... stuff off so it doesn't continually happen.

    So my erstwhile suggestion is save your $$$. Rome wasn't built in a day; and the pipe dreams of making money online fast and easy is really just that a bloody pipe dream that sucks people into parting with their hard earned dollars.

    Develop a strategy, whether free or paid and give it at least 30 days of implementation, all the while monitoring, testing and tweaking. Free = trading time and effort for $$$. Paid = trading $$$ for time and effort. Maybe do a mixture of both.

    It's about finding the right paid venue rather than simply hitting on one. All these people who claim they can make millions out of FB really are touting a heap of BS. FB wants people to remain on FB and people want to connect with their friends and social circles. If you want to throw your hard earned $$$ away then go for FB. If you want to get the best bang for your buck, continue to research and ensure you do your due diligence first and see what you can come up with.

    Hope this assists.
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    • Profile picture of the author THK
      Originally Posted by desley View Post

      ....

      Problem with FB is their stuff is now damn hard to even be able to reach people to see your FB posts - it's now FB who determines whether your post will get more views and extended reach which is one hellva pain in the arse; and if other FB users are like me, as soon as they see a damn unwanted ad on their timeline (courtesy of FB trying to boost its fast losing ads revenue) they simply delete the ad and basically inform FB to bugger off. Really is bloody annoying having FB shoving ads in people's timelines and no way for the owner of the timeline to be able to switch the b.... stuff off so it doesn't continually happen.
      lol you really had a hard time as a FB user. No wonder you couldn't make any money on FB. You never understood the platform.

      And your solution to that is solo ads?! One of the most questionable traffic sources anyone can ever come across. lol


      Originally Posted by desley View Post

      All these people who claim they can make millions out of FB really are touting a heap of BS.
      You don't have enough information to say that. All you can say is that you failed and you don't know anyone who has done well with FB.

      Maybe if you start hanging out with successful people, you will start to see things differently.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    List building => is the DIAMOND of every business (fundamental part)

    my personal formula to make $7K - $10K (sales) per month is helping my Team to reach the same level

    if you can offer 10K traffic to your team is very easy to expand your business (like I do)
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