Telling People How Much Money You Make

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Do you feel comfortable telling people how much money you earn?

If so, how much are you currently making and what did you do to get to that point?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    Do you???

    Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

    Do you feel comfortable telling people how much money you earn?

    If so, how much are you currently making and what did you do to get to that point?
    How much are YOU currently earning, and what did YOU do to get there?


    More importantly... what does it matter?

    Those that will tell you, are probably "fudging".
    You are not them, so whatever they make (or do not make) will have no bearing on you, whatsoever.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary8888
      Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

      Do you???



      How much are YOU currently earning, and what did YOU do to get there?


      More importantly... what does it matter?

      Those that will tell you, are probably "fudging".
      You are not them, so whatever they make (or do not make) will have no bearing on you, whatsoever.
      So the answer to question 1 is clearly No.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Gary,

        Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

        So the answer to question 1 is clearly No.
        The answer can be anything you want.

        I have, on occasion, disclosed my income level, but only when I thought it served some legitimate purpose.

        I have been self-employed since 1983 and have employed as many as 30 full-time employees in one of my companies. There was a 5 year stint between 1990 and 1995 when I did actually draw a regular paycheck from another company. (I had sold my company to an offshore multi-national and they hired me back to manage their US technical consulting group.)

        I have been selling products on-line since 2002 - full time.

        Not sure how any of that helps you, but neither would my income level.
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  • Profile picture of the author TenaciousGrease
    Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

    Do you feel comfortable telling people how much money you earn?

    If so, how much are you currently making and what did you do to get to that point?
    You First.

    As for me, I make a lot more than you, and I got here because I work(ed) my ass off instead of asking dumb questions like yours.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary8888
      Originally Posted by TenaciousGrease View Post

      You First.

      As for me, I make a lot more than you, and I got here because I work(ed) my ass off instead of asking dumb questions like yours.
      Wow...keep in mind this is not a question that was not intended for people who are uncomfortable discussing their personal finances.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    It's really no ones business how much you earn.

    Plus, there are many FAKE "gurus" out there claiming the they are making $1,000's of dollars per month and in reality, they are earning less then $100 per month. They go out and " teach" theories and lying to people. That's why so many are failing. It's the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.
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    • Profile picture of the author Redgemy
      Hi, I've been trying to find a way to make money online. I've got a blog which I abandoned because it was not working for me. I'm on fiverr but it's still not enough. I don't know if you could help me or anyone could help me with ideas on income generation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    The anonymity of the Internet allows everyday commonplace citizens to be and say anything they want. There is no way to tell or prove that they are being honest . . . so what's the point? If you have to get motivation from people that you don't know and will never meet who are feeding you malarkey . . . it's a sad day.

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    • Profile picture of the author dcbeckster
      Originally Posted by anayb View Post

      Why you're talking about money in the first place?

      See money not as your primary goal but as a by-product of doing the right things.

      For me, money doesn't matter all that much, but I'll confess, it did at one time (probably because I didn't have very much). So, lets say money is on your list. And lets say, like millions of other people, that you'd like to be a millionaire. What kinds of things should you do to increase your chances of joining the millionaire's club? The most successful people I know both financially and in other ways are shockingly helpful. So you should work hard to make other people successful.

      So, stop obsessing about money, and start tracking how many people you help, even in a very small way. Stop thinking about making a million dollars and start thinking about serving a million people.

      One last thing, around 90% people on Warrior Forum are fraud entrepreneurs. Take advise very cautiously.
      Well Anayb, I can't speak for anyone else in the Warrior Forum but I am not a "fraud entrepreneur" what ever the heck that means. I do earn an income online and I enjoy helping people with overcoming challenges and obstacles they may face in trying to earn money online as well. So with all do respect, I take exception to your comment. But this is just my opinion...
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      • Profile picture of the author Redgemy
        Originally Posted by dcbeckster View Post

        Well Anayb, I can't speak for anyone else in the Warrior Forum but I am not a "fraud entrepreneur" what ever the heck that means. I do earn an income online and I enjoy helping people with overcoming challenges and obstacles they may face in trying to earn money online as well. So with all do respect, I take exception to your comment. But this is just my opinion...
        Hey, could you please coach me on earning income online? I'm a 22years old female
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary8888
      Originally Posted by anayb View Post

      Why you're talking about money in the first place?

      See money not as your primary goal but as a by-product of doing the right things.

      For me, money doesn't matter all that much, but I'll confess, it did at one time (probably because I didn't have very much). So, lets say money is on your list. And lets say, like millions of other people, that you'd like to be a millionaire. What kinds of things should you do to increase your chances of joining the millionaire's club? The most successful people I know both financially and in other ways are shockingly helpful. So you should work hard to make other people successful.

      So, stop obsessing about money, and start tracking how many people you help, even in a very small way. Stop thinking about making a million dollars and start thinking about serving a million people.

      One last thing, around 90% people on Warrior Forum are fraud entrepreneurs. Take advise very cautiously.
      I think when you ask the question "how much money do you make" you get some telling responses. Some people get defensive, others will be direct and tell you. There are a few people who will answer the question by giving you a nugget of value.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Nobody ever asks me how much I make. I can't see that this is an issue at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Not sure why my income is anyone's business. I don't really care what you make. Why should you care what I make?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
      Well. My friends ask me a lot of the time what my income is. They see what i am doing and are motivated by my passion.

      If you are social and people ask you what you do, especially if you're from a small town, people are curious.

      As for the forum topic..

      When i was making $50 a month i was very embarrassed and would beat around the bush. Now making a few pennies more i am more comfortable sharing because my ego doesnt take a blow...although i prefer taking an ego blow because it makes me work harder..

      Its important to hang around people who make more than you especially if you want to reach higher income.

      Sharing is okay. Most people are uncomfortable, most people don't care.
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  • Profile picture of the author dcbeckster
    Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

    Do you feel comfortable telling people how much money you earn?

    If so, how much are you currently making and what did you do to get to that point?
    Gary,
    I currently earn around $10,000,000 per month online..... no just kidding, but would you believe me if I told you that? It's okay to tell some one that the potential is to earn X amount per month, week, year, etc. But how much YOU earn is no one's business at all. Each person is different. If I'm earning $15,000 per month that's because of the work I put into it, my skill level, and my level of dedication and commitment. Just because I am earning that much doesn't mean someone else can too. It all depends upon that individual's skill, work ethic, commitment, and so on (as I mentioned above.) So I would still encourage people that they can earn money online, but how much is entirely up to them and nothing online is guaranteed. Anyone who guarantees you'll make a specific amount of money is scamming you.
    Hope this helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    I don't see why it matters. Why do people want to know?

    I normally won't tell people. To me it's none of their business.

    If someone is wondering about a specific area such as website, traffic source, offer, etc - then maybe. It depends on the circumstances.
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  • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
    Currently im at around 7,000 per month avg. It fluctuates which I totally hate and I find myself on the "grind" harder when I was just starting out.

    It started with a simple e-book that I read. It was simply called Network Marketing about 5 years ago. It was a simple book over 100 pages that I just read by accident. I was unemployed, out of work and stumble upon the website by accident.

    I do not even remember what caught my eye. It was by accident. But it suggested building a website. What really caught my eye was following my passion and building a business based on that. Thats what I did. I made a few dollars and actually lost money at first, which after reading a ton of books and videos since, many have done that as well.

    I found marketing my passion fun. I found trying to rank higher in the search engines fun. I found commenting, doing JV's, and working together on projects fun.

    What really made me money was taking advice from a business model that was in place since 1994 - I was like hmm... if this company was on the internet since 1994, most likely many of the businesses, if not all of them, have learned or branched off from the teachings that have been provided by them. Knowingly or UnKnowingly.

    I share the website I learned from often, however you get so many jokes from people like this is just a site from the 80's or this information is outdated etc. it' funny to me, the lack of respect for the old school marketers, programmers who have paved the way for us to market successfully.

    Then I will create a site under a fictious name, face etc and the people go crazy over it. Just funny to me playing the background and watching people react to truth, lies, etc. Its like they love the lie the most.
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  • Profile picture of the author luffy268
    Most people are uncomfortable, me too.
    I actually don't care how much you make. So, Why should you care how much I make?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nate92
    I see a lot of people stating the fact that, "you're income doesn't matter to me, so why should mine matter to you?!", and shoving the reason behind the question away, instead of trying to understand it...

    Look, everyone has their motivational triggers. If your trigger is what you can do with wealth, or spare time, or bigger muscles, that's your motivation! Obviously, the OP's motivation is money.

    Granted, there should be more to it, but by asking "how much do you make", and "what did you do to get there", the OP is trying to create an idea of what incomes are potentially achievable through which means of online business models...

    With that said, OP, it's nearly impossible to base a business model with an "average" income. This is due to the fact that each person is unique, their businesses are unique, as well as their work ethic, niches, products, etc.

    If you are interested in learning what kind of money you are capable of reaching, I recommend that you pick a simple method that fits your interests and dive in head first! The worst that will happen is you spend some money and build some experience!

    I hope that others in this forum remember that newer accounts are looking for answers, even if they aren't sure how to word their reasoning...

    We are here to help. The experienced marketers, myself included, should always be willing to help, as well as learn from others! No one is to where they can't learn more, and everyone has some piece of knowledge that others don't.

    As far as making good money... Find a niche market, look for problems that are lacking solutions / services, and fix it. If you do this, whether it be through affiliate marketing, product creation, etc., you will make more than enough money, if done in the right niche.

    Wish you the best of luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Originally Posted by Nate92 View Post

      Look, everyone has their motivational triggers. If your trigger is what you can do with wealth, or spare time, or bigger muscles, that's your motivation! Obviously, the OP's motivation is money.

      Granted, there should be more to it, but by asking "how much do you make", and "what did you do to get there", the OP is trying to create an idea of what incomes are potentially achievable through which means of online business models...
      To some extent, everyone who starts a business is motivated by money. You have to pay the bills, after all. However, problems can occur when money is your primary motivator -- and this is especially true for entrepreneurs who are just starting out.

      The first problem is that the financial rewards generally come relatively late in the game. As anayb, said above, money is a by-product of doing the right things. So if you're not doing the all the right things all at once, the money isn't going to come. And getting it right all at once rarely -- if ever -- happens. Not even for experienced or serial entrepreneurs. It takes time, experimentation, and adjustment. Maybe your traffic strategy is good, but your website copy isn't. Or vice versa. Or maybe your products aren't as good as they need to be or maybe you're targeting the wrong type of customer or maybe the price isn't right or maybe you're not effectively capturing your customers' email addresses or getting them on your social media channels so you can get repeat customers or maybe... Well, you get the idea. There are so many moving parts and so many things can and will go wrong. And you need almost all of them to work before the money starts to flow. So if a new entrepreneur is overly motivated by money, he or she is almost certainly going to find a lot of disappointment in the beginning, which is anything but motivating. Keep in mind that it even took Facebook five years to become profitable.

      The second problem is that a focus on money -- especially early in the development of a new business -- shifts the focus from where it should be. Right now the OP should be thinking, "customer, customer, customer, customer, customer". Everything he's doing should be geared toward identifying what customers want, how to get it to them, and how to do so in a way that is better than the competition is doing. But instead of thinking, "customer, customer, customer', the OP is thinking, "me, me, me". How much can I make? How fast can I make it? How little can I work? Yes, I know that the OP didn't ask all those questions -- but it's not just the OP. You see this sort of mindset a lot around here. But customers don't care what you want -- they care if you can give them what they want. If you're able to deliver, then you might get the payout that you want; if you're not able to deliver that payout isn't going to come. But the irony is the more you focus on your own payout, the less you're focused on the customer and the less likely you'll even get the payout that you're so focused on.

      The final problem is that it's just a silly question. If you want to know how much can be made with an online business, look up Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg's net worth. Those are the "possibilities". But possibilities aren't necessarily probabilities. I'm never going to be able to pull in type of money Zuckerberg makes and I can tell already that the OP is unlikely to be able to pull in the type of money that I make. I'm not trying to be mean or cocky, but you can often get a pretty decent sense of what a persons' general entrepreneurial competency by the questions they ask and by the way they handle both positive and negative feedback. Are they asking good questions? Are they truly open to learning and improvement or are they just looking for confirmation of what they already believe? Everything I've seen so far points to the OP being sold on a dream of easy internet riches, looking for the anecdotes that will allow him to keep dreaming.

      Originally Posted by Nate92 View Post

      With that said, OP, it's nearly impossible to base a business model with an "average" income. This is due to the fact that each person is unique, their businesses are unique, as well as their work ethic, niches, products, etc.
      Here I agree with you 100%. Which is another reason why it's not a very useful question to begin with.

      Originally Posted by Nate92 View Post

      I hope that others in this forum remember that newer accounts are looking for answers, even if they aren't sure how to word their reasoning...

      We are here to help. The experienced marketers, myself included, should always be willing to help, as well as learn from others! No one is to where they can't learn more, and everyone has some piece of knowledge that others don't.

      Isn't part of our job also to help newer entrepreneurs ask the right questions? To me the ability to ask good questions of the right people at the right times is an extremely valuable skill -- yet one that is very much unappreciated.

      In this case, even if every single person who read this thread truthfully answered the question of how much they made, the value that the OP would get from all those answers is minimal. Shouldn't we be encouraging him to ask better questions?
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary8888
        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post


        The second problem is that a focus on money -- especially early in the development of a new business -- shifts the focus from where it should be. Right now the OP should be thinking, "customer, customer, customer, customer, customer". Everything he's doing should be geared toward identifying what customers want, how to get it to them, and how to do so in a way that is better than the competition is doing. But instead of thinking, "customer, customer, customer', the OP is thinking, "me, me, me". How much can I make? How fast can I make it? How little can I work?
        I appreciate your long response. However, I believe you are reading into the question too much. No one disputes that you should deliver value to a customer and fulfill their needs better than the competition. A person's ability to identify market demand has nothing to do with whether they are motivated by money or by a desire to benefit the customer. You can think "customer customer customer" and "money money money" at the same time, they're not mutually exclusive.

        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post


        So if a new entrepreneur is overly motivated by money, he or she is almost certainly going to find a lot of disappointment in the beginning, which is anything but motivating. Keep in mind that it even took Facebook five years to become profitable.
        Are we talking tech startups or internet marketing? If you're doing internet marketing for more than 2-3 years and it's not profitable...that's a hobby.


        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post


        I'm never going to be able to pull in type of money Zuckerberg makes and I can tell already that the OP is unlikely to be able to pull in the type of money that I make. I'm not trying to be mean or cocky, but you can often get a pretty decent sense of what a persons' general entrepreneurial competency by the questions they ask and by the way they handle both positive and negative feedback. Are they asking good questions? Are they truly open to learning and improvement or are they just looking for confirmation of what they already believe? Everything I've seen so far points to the OP being sold on a dream of easy internet riches, looking for the anecdotes that will allow him to keep dreaming.

        The only thing can be extrapolated from this thread is that you, along with others, take offense to the question. You're basically answering the question by saying "I won't tell you, but I make more money than you." Which might not even be the case. How do you know? If you truly were making such great money, then why are you here? If you're going to assume basic entrepreneurial competency based on this thread, .then I can make a similar assumption and presume that your income falls in an average range. I'm basing this on two factors: 1) that in response to my question, you don't have a story to tell; and 2) you are on an internet marketing advice forum.

        I could be wrong...but I'm taking a similar approach to you, by assuming general competency based on the content in an internet forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author kilgore
          Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

          I believe you are reading into the question too much. No one disputes that you should deliver value to a customer and fulfill their needs better than the competition. A person's ability to identify market demand has nothing to do with whether they are motivated by money or by a desire to benefit the customer. You can think "customer customer customer" and "money money money" at the same time, they're not mutually exclusive.
          Actually, I do think it's (usually) mutually exclusive to be both customer-focused and overly money-focused -- especially in the short term. Starting a business is by definition an exercise in delayed gratification. You sacrifice earnings today in order to maximize them in the future. So if you're going into your business with your number one focus on your own payout, you're not going to make the sacrifices you need to make it work out in the long term. And you're definitely not going to be doing right by your customers.

          Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

          Are we talking tech startups or internet marketing? If you're doing internet marketing for more than 2-3 years and it's not profitable...that's a hobby.
          What does that even mean, "are we talking about internet marketing"? What exactly does an internet marketing business look like to you? As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as an "internet marketing" business. Internet marketing is an activity that businesses do, not something that businesses are. Tech startups do internet marketing -- and so do MMO marketers and so does the guy that trims the trees on my property and so do I. But it's not all that we do. Not by a long shot.

          And yes, (hopefully) the types of businesses most of us are starting here have shorter timelines to profitability. But my guess is most people here start out with more than a few weeks (or months) where they're scratching their heads wondering if they'll ever get their business working smoothly. If your biggest passion is the money that's going into your bank account you're likely to find it hard to find the motivation to do the work that needs to get done.

          Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

          The only thing can be extrapolated from this thread is that you, along with others, take offense to the question.
          Offense: annoyance or resentment brought about by a perceived insult to or disregard for oneself or one's standards or principles.

          Who's offended? Who's insulted? Or resentful? I haven't read a single comment on this thread that indicates that anyone here is offended by your question. Perhaps there's a little annoyance here -- but that's just because these sorts of unhelpful questions get asked a lot around here, not because we're offended.

          Honestly, I could care less about what you think of my opinions. If you think you can prioritize your own payout and still be able to focus on the customer, do it. Prove me wrong. And actually, I don't think it's impossible -- just very, very hard. (Again, especially in the early stages of a business).

          I'll also note that though you've been challenged several times -- and though you've asked everyone else to do so -- you've still not indicated how much you make.

          Even so, while I'm not going to give you my annual earnings, here's a look at what my business has made with the Amazon affiliate program so far this month. I should note that (1) while Amazon is our biggest revenue source, it's by no stretch our only revenue source and (2) it's the holidays, so the numbers are tracking higher than they would most months (though I'll also say that based on past years, our December sales probably won't peak until around the 15th). Still, with those things in mind, here you go:

          ***REMOVED***

          Now your turn. What have you made, from any revenue source, for any period of time? I've shown you mine, now you show me yours. But more importantly, tell me what you've learned from my earnings. I can't think of a single thing that they'd tell you that will have any bearing whatsoever on your own success. Again, though, you're welcome to prove me wrong.

          P.S. If you don't think that anyone on this forum makes any money why are you here? Are you trying to learn from people who don't make money?
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          • Profile picture of the author Gary8888
            Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

            What does that even mean, "are we talking about internet marketing"? What exactly does an internet marketing business look like to you? As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as an "internet marketing" business. Internet marketing is an activity that businesses do, not something that businesses are. Tech startups do internet marketing -- and so do MMO marketers and so does the guy that trims the trees on my property and so do I. But it's not all that we do. Not by a long shot.
            By internet marketing, I'm referring to things like copywriting, affiliate marketing, digital products, kindle publishing, etc...i.e. making money through passive online sources.

            Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

            Now your turn. What have you made, from any revenue source, for any period of time? I've shown you mine, now you show me yours. But more importantly, tell me what you've learned from my earnings. I can't think of a single thing that they'd tell you that will have any bearing whatsoever on your own success. Again, though, you're welcome to prove me wrong.
            Wait a second...you've mentioned several times that it's irrelevant to ask what someone's worth. Now you're asking me the same question. You've suggested that it's a pointless exercise to pose the question to begin with, as it provides no insight or benefit. If it truly didn't matter to you, why ask?

            Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

            Honestly, I could care less about what you think of my opinions. If you think you can prioritize your own payout and still be able to focus on the customer, do it. Prove me wrong. And actually, I don't think it's impossible -- just very, very hard. (Again, especially in the early stages of a business).
            Again, I have never said don't focus on the customer. You interpreted the question as implying that the customer is completely out of the picture. I agree....delivering what the customer wants is the number one priority.

            Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

            If your biggest passion is the money that's going into your bank account you're likely to find it hard to find the motivation to do the work that needs to get done.
            That may be true for some people but not others. You can't quantify someone's passion for what they do...you can have infinite passion for a venture that makes absolutely no money. Is that going to motivate someone to do what needs to get done?

            I'm sure there are wealthy individuals who only care about money and don't need any more external motivation. Maybe their real "passion" is collecting stamps, that doesn't mean they're unmotivated in their primary income generating activity.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
              Originally Posted by anayb View Post

              With your IM career, you can build wealth, but unfortunately, theres a darker side. The rigors of entrepreneurship demand sacrifices, and if you dont make those sacrifices youll never be able to succeed.

              Do you have any pie charts to back up this claim?
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              • Profile picture of the author anayb
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Do you have any pie charts to back up this claim?
                Its a universal truth... everybody knows it except you so I don't think I need to back up my claim. The point is can you prove my statement wrong? I don't think you can, most of all, I am not interested to argue with an old head. Ok.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                  Originally Posted by anayb View Post

                  Its a universal truth... everybody knows it except you so I don't think I need to back up my claim. The point is can you prove my statement wrong? I don't think you can, most of all, I am not interested to argue with an old head. Ok.

                  I'll need to see the pie charts for my closing argument.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    I'll need to see the pie charts for my closing argument.
                    Originally Posted by anayb View Post

                    Its a universal truth... everybody knows it except you so I don't think I need to back up my claim. The point is can you prove my statement wrong? I don't think you can, most of all, I am not interested to argue with an old head. Ok.
                    Yukon..Hes right. i've had to sacrifice two goats to Odin last week. If you aren't okay with this don't do SEO.
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                    • Profile picture of the author anayb
                      Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

                      Yukon..Hes right. i've had to sacrifice two goats to Odin last week. If you aren't okay with this don't do SEO.
                      If I introduce something new and progressive, I am prepared for ridicule. And not necessarily because my idea hasn't passed muster. In fact, it may be just the opposite. We've all heard about countless greats who jumped through these same hoops of ridicule on their path to success. Some of the stories have reached legendary status.

                      In a 99u.com article titled, "Why Great Ideas Get Rejected," author David Burkus wrote that Mounting evidence shows that we all possess an inherent bias against creativity. He continued: "Recent research in human psychology is finally shedding some light on how our brains accept (or reject) new ideas."

                      I surround myself with supportive and like-minded people who support my vision. People like yukon and Dr los3 are abound, but I don't have to welcome them into, or keep them in, my inner circle.

                      And I don't shy away from constructive criticism. I don't shatter like glass if someone attempts to play devils advocate and suggests that perhaps you have overlooked something in your business model. I put ego aside and digest others' (positive) input. It could spark a fresh idea or a new angle on how to approach things.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                  Originally Posted by anayb View Post

                  Its a universal truth... everybody knows it except you so I don't think I need to back up my claim. The point is can you prove my statement wrong? I don't think you can, most of all, I am not interested to argue with an old head. Ok.

                  Seriously, do you have any pie charts or even a bar chart to back up your claim?

                  Maybe even a line graph?
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  • Profile picture of the author Roger Brown
    Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

    Do you feel comfortable telling people how much money you earn?

    If so, how much are you currently making and what did you do to get to that point?
    Aside from my day job where I work in the marketing/design department, I write articles in a variety of niches. I guess more appropriately "content and product creation" since I do design as well sometimes. Article-writing alone pays quite well. I do articles for a large UK company and it pays 20 GBP per article for about 600+ words. The articles are used by the company for their course descriptions or blogs or sometimes for SEO. As you know, Google loves fresh unique content so lengthy articles are a plus for blogs and SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I am usually asked this question when applying for a loan or mortgage and I usually comply in those situations

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bridgen
    No I am not a lover of this at all. Because when I read that people made $40K or what ever just posting this what ever it is It is a turn off for me. Most are not telling the truth anyway. Is all I say is that I am a full time retired internet marketer Video Marketer that sells my own products Thats it If I make $2 or $200 even $80K or $2Million will not help the person who is selling nothing. But I have a video course out I give away showing how I earned $400 with proof on a squeeze page and it works very well selling my upgrade So it is how you tell the people that counts. Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author drewgood
    I don't like telling people how much I make UNLESS it has some bearing over a deal we are in together.

    Other than that, money seems to obviously be this 'thing' that people use as an excuse to create judgments, assumptions, and quite frankly, limits on their view of others that may not necessarily reflect the value this person may (or may not) have to offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bridgen
    The reason I do not let people know my revenue is because so many people believe that sending out 1 email can get them thousands without even working I do not want them people in my list I want people who can and will work and understand that you have to build up your business. It ill nor come easy as you have to put the hours into it. My income is my Business I will show people how I made $400 on my first sale that is selling my own product or a photo of my first affiliate marking week that is just under $50 because it can be done. Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author ohnoeedidntt
    2000 per month from day job... I'm a newbie, paying my dues, trying to sort out this madness but when I do and the money starts to come in, I'm not gonna tell people...
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  • I have no problem telling people what I make. Especially real newbies. It's not a whole lot, really, but it's there and I'm running way in the black. My expenses this year have been something like $250 total, including purchasing software and books.

    Of course, I provide direct content services, mostly writing. Most writers won't answer this question directly, which I find irritating. Like it's some measure of their success or creative integrity or whatever. It's not, it's business acumen. I have a friend who is a much better writer than I am, has an English degree, but can't bring himself to "sell out."

    I'll be making the jump to just my writing in a couple of months. This time with diversified income streams. I'll also be moving across the country at that point, and making a bunch of huge changes. That's why I do what I do, and if I can afford to do that I'm happy and the rest is just numbers in an account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maks@28
    Telling people how much you make isn't it weird. Don't you think, Everybody earns for themselves. Keep it simple don't ask, don't tell .
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Mark Lyons View Post

      I am not sure how to answer this question but if you are looking for an internet opportunity of lapstop lifestyle promoting financial freedom then check this out..
      This is your second post, today, pimping yourself.

      Affiliate links and self-promotion can get you banned. Your post has been reported.

      Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    well,

    truth be told..

    i don't make much more than my friends who have mon-fri 9 to 5 jobs.

    that being said, i dont have a mon-fri 9 to 5 job.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randy McLean
    It is one of those burning questions that people want to know.

    That is one of the primary reasons why Pat Flynn's SPI blog is so popular. He is very transparent with his income reports.

    Now, I have seen a handful of copycats doing it too. Except they are not making as much as he is.

    Their blog is almost like a photocopy of his.

    Granted, if I made that much I might show it too. But I do make enough to improve my standard of living.

    It's all relative.

    I have also seen marketers with videos showing them logging in and showing how much they make and people still say they are lying. Sometimes, you can't win.

    For the majority of people, what they are really asking is "how much can I make?"

    If they see an average person saying they make 48k per year blogging with no prior experience then there might be hope for them too.
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  • Profile picture of the author geek2b1day
    Well i just started one online business that another guy had given up on and we did $5K sales first month. But it was a semi known seasonal product that should do well this time of year.. so nothing great but I must say the first order notification from paypal was exciting.

    Now I am looking for an IM type "guru" to help me with a dormant online business i have. This one will be much more interesting.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    So, OP, if I told you how much I make, will you believe me?

    And, if you believe me, how does it affect you or anyone else, since I'm not going to spend the tons of time required to put it into context.

    I mean, $4k a month is peanuts for some, 2-years worth of mortgage payments and groceries for others and the costs to produce similar results to mine are different.

    Wouldn't you be better off deciding how much you want/need to make in the next 12 months, in the next 5 years, then figure out what you can do today, a year from now, 4 years from now, so what you want happens?

    The amount of money varies so widely, depending on skills, desire, reasons for doing other things you have, etc., that to give someone an amount without giving all of those is just plain meaningless.

    I've known people for decades and I don't know how much they make and don't care to know and it made no difference to me or them, even the ones that are doing things similar to what I do to make their money. Not one iota of difference.

    I've known people who said, I want to make $20k more a month... I sell xyz, my gross revenue on average is this, my net is that. How can I get 20k more?

    At that point, we could talk money in a meaningful (and useful) way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Julio
    I don't mind telling anyone how much I make $0.00 it's a brand new blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    No problems to show what my biz group makes every month
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  • Profile picture of the author GomerMagtibay
    Whether we like it or not, there are people who are using their income proofs to attract more customers to them. Sometimes, the income proof is authentic, while other times fraudulent. The sad thing is, there are always newbies who tend to get attracted by income proofs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Swapnil Tiwari
    I don't think I am comfortable telling many people how much I can earn off the internet!
    Mostly because of the constant nagging I've to face from the people asking me how to make money off the internet and so forth!
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I have always tried not to tell people how much I make monthly but there are some exceptions i.e. when I create a product on Warrior Forum and want to give proof

    However usually I try to avoid it because that information isn't really necessary to give out.

    I make something in the 5 figures every month. I started an SEO company but now have expanded into reputation management and off-line marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

      I have always tried not to tell people how much I make monthly but there are some exceptions i.e. when I create a product on Warrior Forum and want to give proof
      I believe you meant to say that you want to display information that you claim to be proof. We all know that there is no way to prove your income since anything you might post could be easily manipulated in Photoshop.

      Most savvy purchasers would never believe any 'proof of income' claims. Personally, I would never purchase anything from anyone who resorts to that tactic to sell their wares.

      Cheers,

      Frank

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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I believe you meant to say that you want to display information that you claim to be proof. We all know that there is no way to prove your income since anything you might post could be easily manipulated in Photoshop.

        Most savvy purchasers would never believe any 'proof of income' claims. Personally, I would never purchase anything from anyone who resorts to that tactic to sell their wares.

        Cheers,

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        That number is between me and the IRS. And my wife if she asks.

        Giving too much information opens you up to the kind of thing EelKat described, as well as every hard-luck grifter with a sad story and a sense of entitlement. Just look at the number of posts here claiming that anyone who has more than the poster should give everything they know or sell for free.

        I once read some advice to lottery jackpot winners. The first steps after cashing in the winning ticket were to disconnect your phone and hire someone to screen your mail.

        On the other hand, if I were to promote a make-money product, I'd be okay revealing how much that particular project or method made, like Flynn does with his SPI blog.

        Just know that the actual number is both private and larger.
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  • Profile picture of the author EelKat
    I remember back when Squidoo was still around, for a while they had this "box" on the home page which said "Our Top Highest Paid Members". For a long time I was #3 on the list. And for a long time I also did not know the list was there...

    but...

    I suddenly started getting a LOT of hate filled comments about money on my Squidoo articles and in my email, with people flipping out hysterics, accusing me of being a snob and millionair, etc. I couldn't figure it out, especially considering that my top 10 articles on Squidoo were the "On Being Homeless" series, which was daily posts made during the 9 years I lived under a 8x6 tarp after a psycho stalker blew up my house with a bomb.

    I was homeless, living under a tarp, and at it's most my income was $2,000 total per year, so when I was suddenly bombarded with the money related hate I was completely clueless as to what started it or what these people were even talking about!

    Then, one day I cleared my cookies/cache on my computer, also erasing my saved passwords, so I could no longer open Squidoo straight to my dashboard and now had to go to the home page and log in... and that's when I saw it. A list stating:

    Our Top 10 Highest Paid Squids:
    #1 SquidPirate
    #2 JaguarJulie
    #3 EelKat
    ...

    I just stared at that and thought: OMG! The most I ever made on Squidoo was $249 one month. Most months I averaged around $90 a month. And I was #3 highest paid writer on the site? That was disheartening really. I was thinking I could work up to more income on Squidoo, like the "big members" and here was Squidoo saying that not only was I one of the big members, but I at $90 a month was #3?

    Below the list was an article. I read the article and that's when I realized what had happened to cause the assault of hate comments talking about money and accusing me of being a millionaire... the article bragged about how there were many Squid "earning full time incomes on Squidoo" and "making as much as $14,000 a month!"

    Being friends with both SquidPirate and JaguarJulie I asked them: "Are either of you making $14k a month on Squidoo? Did you see these bold faced lies Squidoo is telling people about us?"

    SquiPirate said he'd had a few months when he got a $300 payday from Squidoo. Then pointed out that he was selling drop shipping items off his Squidoo pages and THAT was the $14k they were referencing. It was NOT money he was making off Squidoo, but money he was making from dropshipping, and he was just advertising his site on a Squidoo page.

    Squidoo was bold faced lying to people about how much we members were being paid for writing our articles and were twisting facts to make it seem like they were paying us members huge amounts of money when in fact, not one of us was even making part time minimum wage from Squidoo's paydays. Squidoo was trying to make it look like we had huge incomes to try to attract more writers to the site. It was very deceptive and fraudulent of them and us members who they lied about were very unhappy with it when we found out about the lies Squidoo was spreading about us as part of their marketing scheme. And turns out I wasn't the only one getting an onslaught of hate from Squidoo's misrepresenting the incomes of it's writers. Every member on that list said they had gotten the onslaught of hate too.

    Squidoo has been gone for 3 years and I still get people emaling me to accuse me of being "a Squidoo millionaire" and vent hate for "rich folks" like they falsely assume me to be.

    The lesson I learned from that is, if people think you make a lot of money, doesn't matter if you actually do or not, they are going to get bitter and jealous and start hating on you.

    I've yet to make anything close to a fulltime minimum wage income off the internet and when I finally do reach that income, I certainly won't be broadcasting it - lesson learned from Squidoo broadcasting it, before I even had it!
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  • Profile picture of the author davejarvys
    I have to declare my income every year to the tax man and companies house.

    For about 2 anyone can find our how much I earn. It's really not an issue for me. Money doesn't make you rich.......












    but it can pay off a lot of unhappiness
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by davejarvys View Post

      For about 2 anyone can find our how much I earn. It's really not an issue for me. Money doesn't make you rich.......
      Then you simply don't have enough money.

      Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Rupčić
    I make 1550 to 1750 Euros a month netto. Security desk type of Job in Frankfurt Germany. What I did for it : I went two months to a "school" to get a certificate called Sachkunde 34a and I applied for jobs, first I worked at a company where I was doing tons of hours, cant even write how many as its confidental but I did get paid for all the hours.

    I also left home all by myself to go to Frankfurt where I had a friend who did constrution work and lived in one room with 4 people, the whole building shared one huge bath more like a bath hall. It sucked. I didnt even know where I was going when I got the call from the friend and found out there was some type of job out there I can try, making keys, which didnt work out and I spent the first 5 months unemployed.

    I got my certificate, went back to my country though I had a job offer but I didnt take it up as I didnt have my own place and where I was was to beat down to go to work from it it was too stressing and ghetto, not enough sleep and always some type of trouble not neccessary criminal just having 3 roomates who disapear and new comes and are mostly construction workers and some criminals and everyone has money problems.

    Next I waited 6 months in my original country to get a flat and job opportunity at the same time. The job was the maximum work hours you can imagine ( I mean humanly imagine not legally imagine ok I heard someone do even more) all night shifts and the flat was shared with a muslim 40 year old woman who was strictly religious and borderline abusing.

    Now I changed my job, still work a solid chunk of hours however its a german company they are more professional and share a flat with a roomate I can stand very well, actualy we are good friends.

    Looking to change my job again to work 8 hours shifts to be able to workout daily. Also for a higher hourly wage though I expect less at the end of the month as its significantly less hours.

    There you go.

    And to complete the story Im from a second world country, the poorest in Europe however been born in Germany and am speaking it as a mother tongue though my parents arent German. Lived in Germany as a kid.
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  • Profile picture of the author luciesmazanska
    I think it is wise not to reveal how wealthy you are to strangers. You would welcome unwanted dishonest friends who
    can be best avoided. However, I do not find any harm in revealing how much you make, to friends. If your friend
    envies you or hates you for this, then that friend is not worth having, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author FoxMetricsATL
    This post was funny. All of a sudden everyone started getting defensive. It was a simple question, are you comfortable sharing that info. If yes... Nobody said, no, I am not comfortable sharing that, instead they went off on how you dont need to ask that question. I guess you got your answer based on peoples responses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Get Mega Rich
    I'm broke as ****, not making a penny. There you go, I told you how much I make. I even made a video about it on my youtube channel, the most recent one with the party dresshirt on.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Get Mega Rich View Post

      I'm broke as ****, not making a penny. There you go, I told you how much I make. I even made a video about it on my youtube channel, the most recent one with the party dresshirt on.
      Honesty is its own currency. You are a very rich man, indeed. :-)

      Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Get Mega Rich View Post

      I'm broke as ****, not making a penny. There you go, I told you how much I make. I even made a video about it on my youtube channel, the most recent one with the party dresshirt on.
      Play up that persona. Make it a go. Have an alter ego using satire. ..."The broke arse millionaire."

      Keep moving forward with that YT channel, start a blog, and go to work.
      Journey your efforts of how you refused to do what other people had done i.e. falsely pretend like they were rich when they weren't..

      Then each day tell your viewers what you are doing to get out of the "brokenesss" and into
      making money.

      I will be your first reader
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Play up that persona. Make it a go. Have an alter ego using satire. ..."The broke arse millionaire."
        Unfortunately, I already own joebagodonuts.com. Would have been perfect.

        Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    I'm rolling around on the floor covered in money right now.
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  • Sometimes it helps for marketing purposes to share how much you've made with something in a certain amount of time. But the majority of time, the amount of money I make is between me and my family.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by workwithjessegood View Post

      Sometimes it helps for marketing purposes to share how much you've made with something in a certain amount of time. But the majority of time, the amount of money I make is between me and my family.
      You missed the main conclusion of the thread. Any claims you make can never be validated or verified, regardless of how you may think you can do so. It simply can't be done, so don't waste your time telling people your income claims.

      Only the most naive will believe you and if they do - shame on them.

      Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr3j9y4w
    Very few
    I had earned money in the past on website

    But now ,
    almost nothing
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Dr3j9y4w View Post

      Very few I had earned money in the past on website

      But now , almost nothing
      Thanks for sharing!

      Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well i prefer to not say all my earnings because people are a little bad and invidious and if you say to them that you make much money they will think that you mak fraud like hack for exmple you know how bad its the world
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  • Profile picture of the author Tesslady
    Honestly, this is a question no one wants to hear from anybody. Ever. It's sensitive... and it's really none of their business.

    But if you're in this business (i.e. Internet Marketing), giving a true answer would help... especially if you are selling something!

    So, it's okay and it's not okay, depending on the situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      How does anyone know it's a true answer?

      I'm selling nothing, so I lose nothing if you don't like my most true and honest answer. Last year, I made $4,752,159,494.37. Would have made $370,945 more, but I did some work for Trump and he told me the photo of me and him was worth more than that, so I didn't make as much as I shouldda made.

      Originally Posted by Tesslady View Post

      Honestly, this is a question no one wants to hear from anybody. Ever. It's sensitive... and it's really none of their business.

      But if you're in this business (i.e. Internet Marketing), giving a true answer would help... especially if you are selling something!

      So, it's okay and it's not okay, depending on the situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronnierokk
    Originally Posted by Gary8888 View Post

    Do you feel comfortable telling people how much money you earn?

    If so, how much are you currently making and what did you do to get to that point?
    The only time you should show how much you make is if you are selling your product to the public and you need to show some sort of proof for them to trust you.

    Product Proof

    Ex. I made $1,014 on FB with my experimental Niche Fan Page, here's is my case study.

    Revenue Proof

    Ex. Here is my monthly revenue on JVZoo, as you can see I put my money where my mouth is, and if you ask around in the community you will find that I'm a trustworthy marketer that can help you.

    This is the way your income should be presented in my opinion.

    -Ronnie Rokk Smith
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by ronnierokk View Post

      The only time you should show how much you make is if you are selling your product to the public and you need to show some sort of proof for them to trust you.

      Product Proof

      Ex. I made $1,014 on FB with my experimental Niche Fan Page, here's is my case study.

      Revenue Proof

      Ex. Here is my monthly revenue on JVZoo, as you can see I put my money where my mouth is, and if you ask around in the community you will find that I'm a trustworthy marketer that can help you.

      This is the way your income should be presented in my opinion.

      -Ronnie Rokk Smith
      And once again we must state that there is no way to verify your claims. They are meaningless and will only impress a neophyte. The only way you can verify you JVZoo income is to give them access to your dashboard. Screenshots are worthless and rarely honest.

      Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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    "If you have something good, keep it in your pocket and don't show anyone." ~ Muddy Waters
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      "If you have something good, keep it in your pocket and don't show anyone." ~ Muddy Waters
      You'll never land a woman with THAT method. It pays to advertise!

      Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan S
    Yeah, it's safer not to believe any screenshots. Here I got 4 cents higher and $55,000 on debit card... It's not even edited by Photoshop but the basic Windows default MSPaint in just 20 seconds! You can do better than me here...

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