Should Users Create Polls On The Warrior Forum About How The Warrior Forum Is Run?

I think Allen Says has been doing this long enough to know how to run
his own forum.

Last time I checked, WF was not a democracy.

No and since this is a poll telling Allen how to run his forum it should vanish.

Sure, with two caveats...

1. Allen is okay with it.

2. People who post, or vote in, the poll shouldn't expect anything to change simply because of the results of a poll.

The answer has already been given. The poll in question has
been deleted making this one unnecessary.

-Ray Edwards

Kenneth, why is it people always want to have a forum run the way they want it run, but try and tell them how to run their business, website, finance etc and they will tell you in no certain terms to take a long walk off a short pier.

If people think they can do a better job, then they can put their money where their mouths are and try and replicate the WF, and we can watch them fail.

Can we tell all these people how terrible their business plan is, how awful their websites are, how lacking their customer service is, and they take it lying down, and don't argue but implement every single idea? No! Then they have not hope in taking over the running of the WF.

This is OT, but need to tell you kennethtang you are the ONLY moderator I ever see listed on the bottom of the forum.

Does Allen have you tied up in a basement somewhere? Would you like me to bring you a snack and a hack saw?

Thank you for all your work.

Ok, I'm confused. This ISN'T OT,and what do you mean only Mod you see listed? I am sooooooo confused.

I think this is a great way for Allen to see what people are thinking about how to run the forum.

Of course, he can still run the forum however he wants, but all the same... more information can't be bad. And it keeps the complainers busy griping in these polls instead of bothering him all the time.

Hehehe...

"Hey Allen, the neighborhood (you know, us guys who live nearby but come play in your park every day), the neighborhood thinks your villa is the wrong color. Doesn't fit with the whole look of the hood, you know?

Now, we (you know, the hood) we took a poll. We think you should change the color of your villa. Looks better for the whole scenery, you know? Yeah, we think so, all 30 million of us.

O yeah, while we at it, we think your Lamborghini is too "spicy" for the hood. We think you should change it to a nice little family car, you know? Yeah, we think so.

Anyways, we thank you for letting us use your park everyday, you know. We appreciate it. You let us play here and you let us sell stuff here. Thanks man. You the kewlest. But dood, we thinks you should....yeah, we took a poll.

Yeah, we did..."

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My fellow Warriors,

On another thread I was thanking an old time Warrior for his Civility in the face of rudeness. On another thread I was commenting on proper Respect. The lack of both (as I see it) in creating polls talking about how the Warrior forum should be run prompted me to write this.

As I see it, the poll feature is there to help members find out about things that could be helpful to them and/or their business. And that is all it is. Nothing more.

Please do not take this the wrong way. I'm not over-reacting. It's just that it occurred to me that the pollsters had NOT asked Allen's permission or views on whether it is permissible.

Let me illustrate with an example.

When I was a head coach (of what is irrelevant), when the executive committee and even the chairman wanted to voice his/their opinions or make changes to my program, they'd speak to me first, ask my views and then perhaps table it to the committee.

They were very respectful, civil and courteous. Consummate professionals. Once in a while, some upstart committee member would simply blurt out "there are some changes I think we should make to the program" during the meeting. They may very well be right, and depending on the issue, I might even agree. But to do it that way was, to me, the height of indiscretion.

They don't know how the world actually works.

In such cases, I'd usually fight the proposal tooth and nail -- because it smacked of "going around me and over my head" to force a decision beyond my formal sphere of influence.

I don't know about how Allen feels about this. He may be much, much more magnanimous than me. But me, I don't particularly like such approaches.

Civility, Respect, Discretion are signs of good breeding -- according to old-fashioned me.

Kenneth

I dont have that on my screen, how do you get it?

Kenneth, you are so right.
Before that thread got deleted,I actually had asked the question how the OP would have felt if I had done that on one of his sites. I was really curious how he would have answered.

Jill, if you're going to take snacks to Kenneth, he would like some Dim Sum and make sure you include lots of nice chicken feet and of course congee

I think they should be allowed to be posted because, in general, it speaks volumes about the poster. Next time I go to Starbucks I'm going to set up a whiteboard and start asking customers if Starbucks should serve soup.

On the other hand, Starbucks has a suggestion box, perhaps the WF could do the same and that would give people who want to give input a place to put it. Like any suggestion box it could be ignored or reviewed as Allen and mods see fit. There should be no expectation by members that their comments will receive a response.

I don't know about this one, it's a bit like being invited to Allen's house and then not liking his roast chicken, or his tea, or his chandaliers and creating a poll to change all that.

Bit rude in my opinion.

Thanks,
Adam

Allen doesn't tell me how to run my business and I don't presume to know how to or tell him how to run his business.

Boy you've opened a can of worms here

IMO, I can't see the harm but I wouldn't expect anything to change as a result of it.

Steve.

I think Allen should run the forum with Kenneth's perfectly manicured toenails.

Dan, that depends entirely on whether or not the hamsters have perfectly manicured toenails. If not, then that would be completely unacceptable.

When users are asked questions such as, "What Would Happen If?...," they are being told in an implied way that their opinions matter and are welcomed.

Some tend to take that implication further than others.

Communication is good. Open, honest communication is better.

In my past life as a manager of a fairly large operation, I openly welcomed suggestions. It was up to me to know when to weigh the opinions of the employees and when the decision fell squarely on my shoulders, regardless of the "crowd" opinions.

Whether these suggestions are in good taste or bad taste really depends completely on the environment - i.e. "the way we do things around here."

In another corporate position I had, all communications had to go through channels. If you jumped up the chain or crossed over to another team to make a suggestion or try to fix something, things got ugly fast. Personally I don't think that was very efficient, but it wasn't my company.

And this isn't my forum.

I am shocked 5 actually said yes... Whoever those 5 are, you are not welcome to my home. Wow, telling someone else how they should run thier own forum ..... Really ?????

James

What the hell is wrong with users making suggestions on what they'd like to see changed? Nobody is demanding that things are changed based on what they say...they are simply stating what they like, dislike, and what they'd like to see changed. What exactly is the harm in that?

If they are a visitor/member of this forum, doesn't their opinion count? Regardless of your personal opinions on what they are suggesting? Just because it isn't your opinion or your idea of a valid suggestion doesn't mean it might not be worth considering.

This stuff about "It's Allen's forum, its his rules, period" doesn't really apply to this situation. Wouldn't Allen like to sometimes hear what people like and dislike?

If it gets out of hand, he can delete the thread. Or just plain ignore it. Either way, who is being harmed? Nobody...and how do you know that someday he might get a suggestion that would actually help things? What if Frank Kern came here and started a poll about something he'd like to see changed. Would people decide to listen then?

The admin of this forum recently started a thread about something he'd like changed about Clickbank. Allen doesn't own Clickbank and he has no right to tell them what to do or how to run their service, but does that automatically mean that his opinion is worthless and shouldn't be made. After all, its Clickbank's 'house' and god forbid anyone give them their own opinion on how they think their service could improve.

Clickbank can listen to his suggestion and form their own opinion as to its merits....doesn't the same apply to suggestions about this forum?

To Kenneth,

You tried man, you really tried.

Thanks,

George Wright P.S. I guess you and Paul and maybe even Bryan are going to have to go back to work. Will Allen be away on vacation while you work your magic?

"This stuff about "It's Allen's forum, its his rules, period" doesn't really apply to this situation. Wouldn't Allen like to sometimes hear what people like and dislike?"

Maybe he would and maybe he wouldn't thats his call and no one elses.


"The admin of this forum recently started a thread about something he'd like changed about Clickbank. Allen doesn't own Clickbank and he has no right to tell them what to do or how to run their service, but does that automatically mean that his opinion is worthless and shouldn't be made. After all, its Clickbank's 'house' and god forbid anyone give them their own opinion on how they think their service could improve.

Clickbank can listen to his suggestion and form their own opinion as to its merits....doesn't the same apply to suggestions about this forum? "

There is a MAJOR difference here.Allen started the thread on HIS forum, not clickbanks.