Are there a certain number of posts needed for a WSO?

No, but there should be a limited number of posts, plus War Room membership should be a requirement.

And a minimum number of 'thanks' should also be required - to ensure that ONLY people who've contributed something positive to the community can sell there.

The quality of WSO's has dropped because right now anybody can sell there - as a result we now have a LOT of scammers in there ripping people off, and even stolen products are being sold in there.

Very few legitimate marketers sell WSO's anymore because it's potentially damaging to their reputation.

My advice is find another marketplace to sell your stuff for the time being, because right now the WSO board is the sewer of the marketing world, there's literally more honesty found on black hat forums.

Can you recommend a good place to sell?

Is JVZoo a place that has quality products and sellers? I have quality ideas, and I don't want to be seen as a joke. Thank you.

Not at all - sadly, an honest assessment. Admitting the problem - and how pervasive it has become - will hopefully lead to changes and improvements.

Well then in the maybe I should release a few quality WSOs for free, for a short while only. Maybe my credibility will be seen as an honest product creator. I do want to make money though, and I really see no value in creating garbage WSOs. I really hate time wasted.

Is YouTube a decent way to make some money? I'm not talking about being a celebrity, I just want to create a solid following,

Well one of my ideas is about knowing what is going to be a trend before people jump onto the bandwagon. It's not a 100% guarantee, but I do take an extensive look at the subject. This way you can create some content and a website, and maybe you'll make some money. There is no software needed, just some good old fashioned researching.

Good info Mark. Maybe if I work on my product, I could send you a sample on it for critique.

How hard is it to do a joint venture with someone? I know that the veteran warriors probably get bombarded regularly, thus making it difficult to get their attention.

Hi guys....

I have created courses in the past so may be I can provide some tips.

1st. I think that creating a WSO without any reputation is difficult. It's going to create warning bells automatic... so if you are going to sell in a community you need to get involved. Period.

2. You can easily provide some copies, via PM and get people that are respected to provide testimonials.

3. Launch something small, affordable and give an insane amount of value. It's impossible to be trolled when you WOW the community and over deliver value.

4. Be flexible. People are always going to complain, hate, attack... but some people will give you super valuable feedback to improve your product, make it better and launch the next one with more reputation and momentum.

I'm well aware the WSO section can have bad rep... we are working to improve a lot of things and I can't wait to get the ones that have lost faith... to come back as believers... (Sounds like a Justin B song)

Cheers

There are "profiles" on this forum with thousands of "thanks" that I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw a Mack truck.

Who will do the approving? If it's forum staff, you have a monetary interest that will bias any "reveiw."

What about a big "Caveat Emptor" warning before you can enter - "Here there be scamers, spamers, hackers and theives of every kind. Enter at your own risk."

We are talking about adults afterall. People who claim to "be in business."

I don't have problems on the WSO forum. I haven't been scamed lately.

Maybe it's a good way of weeding out the un-fit?

Just my opinions.

Brent

"Mate, to be honest... I started 2 days ago. So a lot to catch up."

Okay Gabe - that gives you two more days to get things in order!

Just kidding, of course.

I don't know that there is any way of preventing the scamming.

I also blame some of the so-called IM "coaches", and many WSO products,
that tell their students/readers to create that WSO (Only takes a few minutes)
and then sell it on the WF.

My apologies, some will give a day or two to create that WSO.
A WSO that is worth anything is NOT some re-hashed garbage that is thrown
together in an hour or two.

One thing that could be done is if a scam is verified (don't ask, I don't know),
that the offender is banned from WSO's, or the forum for some period of time,
or forever for that matter.

One thing that does help is that people are able to post their opinions fo the
product, and what they think about. That said, even that has some problems.

Unfortunately, it is the people who are just starting out that get scammed
the most, because they just don't understand what they need.

WOW! That's a good idea for a WSO - "Just What You Need" I could
probably write it in 10 minutes. What do you think? Hah!

Bottom line is that there will be no failsafe solution. I do think that some
guidelines might be worthwhile putting into place, and then being
followed through with, if there is an infraction. It always seems to
be the "Follow Through" that causes problems.

Just my two-cents.

Practical suggestions:

Ban ALL income claims, and enforce the rule.

On the same track, make the WSO section compliant with FTC laws, before they step in and sue Freelancer.

Make War Room membership nessecary and limit the number of posts & thanks someone needs.

Sure this will increase work for mods but there's enough of us to make that a breeze.

Ban all 'make money with WSO' products - as its already been mentioned, that has contributed to the decline of the section..

The fact that it's a forum used to be attractive to sellers, but as we've seen an influx of trolls targeting the section in the past, the forum element is not so appealing anymore. Maybe something to think about, long term.

I don't think running quality control on each WSO is nessecary, one persons junk is another's gold.

Edit:
Either way, protecting people from being ripped off by scammers should be the priority here.

Michael - You forgot one....

Have ONE set of WSO rules rather than the current one set as a sticky and another hidden as a post from 2016. Make those rules easily found by buyers and sellers....make rules clear and dead-stupid simple so there's no question "what it means" - and enforce it strictly with no apology.

I'll say it again....

Ban ALL income claims, and enforce the rule.

Unfortunately, this will never happen because it will hurt sales and reduce income to WF...

Here's a couple of rule suggestions for reviews...

> Only allow reviews by verified buyers, unless the review leads off with a clear disclosure of how the product was acquired (review copy, etc.).

> Require disclosure of any monetary interest such as reviews by affiliates.

> Limit the number of reviews by any one individual in a certain time frame. This might limit the "sale" of positive reviews by collectors of free review copies.

Michael and Kay I'm addressing you both. I think you're doing a good job getting some discussions going about the WSO Section. I don't blame you Michael as much as Kay for agreeing that BH is better and the "not at all" comment. K is a LONG TIME WARRIOR.

But WSO's have a bad name in the first place due to the Warrior FOrum haters out there and other sites that demoralizes it already. I hate haters.

This place changed my life and so far its still the same forum with some things added by f.

The problem is Its TOO far to say BH is better when you know yourself this didn't happen here knowingly. While BH does it on purpose. So they're up front thats because they LOVE being immoral. I don't think f wants that for the warrior forum. So cut me a break. I don't think its a good idea to give BH credit for anything that just says to them 'cool they love our immorality' lets rock guys go get em.

We don't want to demoralize the WF from within. That's all I"m saying about your comments. The BH thing is not right. Comment back if you want but I don't really care thats how I feel.

Posters with 0 posts should not be allowed to post WSOs. There should be a minimum post count. They should have to contribute to the forum before trying to profit off of it. It also demonstrates that they might know something about something. Quality over quantity.

IF you're going to allow people with low post counts or no post count to post WSOs, you should be responsible for looking through them and verifying that they are legitimate and original works.

I bought a WSO that turned out to be stolen from someone else. I reported it. That WSO was taken down but his other two were allowed to stand. Your mods need to be able to think on their own and take down those others. I shouldn't have to point it out. Once you've stolen something word for word with their sales page and title and everything and posted it for sale, you should be banned from the community for good, including all of your WSOs. That's not even hard.

There should be some communication between mods and those that report serious offenses. Otherwise there is room for question as to whether or not things are being handled. There should be a specified amount of time for serious infractions like such stolen products or accusations of such wherein the mods will either take appropriate action or report back to the person that is reporting it. Some basic customer service is in order here from the Warrior Forum, not just between buyers and sellers. It is your platform and you should own it as such.

Eliminate the begging for review copies. There were once rules in place that you couldn't ask for them. Thread after thread is just the same beggars asking for freebies. It's one thing if the seller offers some, though couldn't that be done somewhere other than the sales thread?

Finally, I think it is shady how so many WSOs are question and answers done through private messages. Sellers should have to be transparent. In some cases you can go look at a sales thread and everything is "sent you a pm" and "replied to your pm" and "I'd like a pm" over and over and over again. What is REALLY going on there? Seems very shady.

I've loved the WSO part of this forum and have spent a lot of time in it over the years. I do agree with the poster above though that said that at least the Black Hat Forums tell you what they are and are transparent. The WSO forum is really getting worse and worse, not to mention that this forum in general ran off a lot of really knowledgeable people over the last few years.