Are there a certain number of posts needed for a WSO?

by timpr
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I want to create a WSO very soon, but I'm not sure if I need to have a certain amount of posts before I do it. I have some great ideas, but I'm also not sure if it'll even get sales due to not having any reputation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    No, but there should be a limited number of posts, plus War Room membership should be a requirement.

    And a minimum number of 'thanks' should also be required - to ensure that ONLY people who've contributed something positive to the community can sell there.

    The quality of WSO's has dropped because right now anybody can sell there - as a result we now have a LOT of scammers in there ripping people off, and even stolen products are being sold in there.

    Very few legitimate marketers sell WSO's anymore because it's potentially damaging to their reputation.

    My advice is find another marketplace to sell your stuff for the time being, because right now the WSO board is the sewer of the marketing world, there's literally more honesty found on black hat forums.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
      shocking but to say black hat is better is pretty stupid. I did see an old resell rights product being sold I just bought two legit products off of here. I guess that does not prove anything. But these words are pretty harsh.


      Originally Posted by Michael Meaney View Post

      No, but there should be a limited number of posts, plus War Room membership should be a requirement.

      And a minimum number of 'thanks' should also be required - to ensure that ONLY people who've contributed something positive to the community can sell there.

      The quality of WSO's has dropped because right now anybody can sell there - as a result we now have a LOT of scammers in there ripping people off, and even stolen products are being sold in there.

      Very few legitimate marketers sell WSO's anymore because it's potentially damaging to their reputation.

      My advice is find another marketplace to sell your stuff for the time being, because right now the WSO board is the sewer of the marketing world, there's literally more honesty found on black hat forums.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
        Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

        shocking but to say black hat is better is pretty stupid. I did see an old resell rights product being sold I just bought two legit products off of here. I guess that does not prove anything. But these words are pretty harsh.
        On the bh sites they're at least being up front about the fact the products are stolen.

        The WSO board is now a scammers paradise.

        When a scammer is exposed, the offending threads are deleted and they're free to carry on selling WSO's.

        Yep. Harsh words because watching that section descend into sludge (it was once a great asset to the community), and seeing the damage it's doing, is beyond frustrating.

        Seeing friends having their products stolen and sold in there, passed off as someone else's - with almost zero repercussion, is completely out of order.
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    • Profile picture of the author .
      Hi Michael, we plan to change that... do you have any practical suggestions how to improve the WSO?

      I love the "minimum number of thanks"....

      Do you think if each WSO gets first review and approved by Warrior... will that bring trust back?

      I will love to hear your opinion mate.

      Thx
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      • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
        Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

        Hi Michael, we plan to change that... do you have any practical suggestions how to improve the WSO?

        I love the "minimum number of thanks"....

        Do you think if each WSO gets first review and approved by Warrior... will that bring trust back?

        I will love to hear your opinion mate.

        Thx
        Gabe

        If you have access to the WAB board it has been discussed at length there! by some of the warriors on this thread and the Admins, but after reading some of your replies it make me think it was a total waste of time as the so called head of the forum you would already know this!?
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        • Profile picture of the author .
          Mate, to be honest... I started 2 days ago. So a lot to catch up.

          I will get there. Is 10:00 pm Saturday ... so still reading.

          Like they say in Kilimanjaro... Pole Pole.... (step by step)

          I will get there. Don't lose faith.

          Cheers mate
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  • Profile picture of the author timpr
    Can you recommend a good place to sell?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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      Originally Posted by timpr View Post

      Can you recommend a good place to sell?
      JVZoo.com.

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  • Profile picture of the author timpr
    Is JVZoo a place that has quality products and sellers? I have quality ideas, and I don't want to be seen as a joke. Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Originally Posted by timpr View Post

      Is JVZoo a place that has quality products and sellers? I have quality ideas, and I don't want to be seen as a joke. Thank you.
      From a quality standpoint, the JVZoo products are the same as here typically from what I've seen.

      In fact, many/most of the people selling on JVZoo have sold here in the past and some still do.

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        From a quality standpoint, the JVZoo products are the same as here typically from what I've seen.
        Some are, but most of the people who used to release quality products as WSOs now release the same quality on JVZ.

        I don't buy junk and I've bought six or eight products off JVZ in the last six months. I also bought a freakin killer WSO, about three weeks ago.

        You have to know quality when you see it to find it. You will find a predominance of junk on any marketplace.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    is pretty stupid
    Not at all - sadly, an honest assessment. Admitting the problem - and how pervasive it has become - will hopefully lead to changes and improvements.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpr
    Well then in the maybe I should release a few quality WSOs for free, for a short while only. Maybe my credibility will be seen as an honest product creator. I do want to make money though, and I really see no value in creating garbage WSOs. I really hate time wasted.

    Is YouTube a decent way to make some money? I'm not talking about being a celebrity, I just want to create a solid following,
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      What can you do? What have you done? What is the topic of your proposed WSOs?

      Mark

      Originally Posted by timpr View Post

      Well then in the maybe I should release a few quality WSOs for free, for a short while only. Maybe my credibility will be seen as an honest product creator. I do want to make money though, and I really see no value in creating garbage WSOs. I really hate time wasted.

      Is YouTube a decent way to make some money? I'm not talking about being a celebrity, I just want to create a solid following,
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by timpr View Post

      Well then in the maybe I should release a few quality WSOs for free, for a short while only. Maybe my credibility will be seen as an honest product creator. I do want to make money though, and I really see no value in creating garbage WSOs. I really hate time wasted.

      Is YouTube a decent way to make some money? I'm not talking about being a celebrity, I just want to create a solid following,
      Just a heads up you can not do free as a WSO it will moved to the classified section
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  • Profile picture of the author timpr
    Well one of my ideas is about knowing what is going to be a trend before people jump onto the bandwagon. It's not a 100% guarantee, but I do take an extensive look at the subject. This way you can create some content and a website, and maybe you'll make some money. There is no software needed, just some good old fashioned researching.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Don't take offense at what I'm going to share here because it isn't intended.

      1. People in this space want a 100% guarantee. They normally want big $ promises too - no matter what you are selling.

      2. I'm not sure a WSO or product on research would work very well. Is it needed? Yes. Is it desired and lusted after? No. Give me the money now is, though.

      2. It sounds like you haven't accomplished any of this on your own. Maybe I'm wrong but I get the impression that you have ideas and hopes and wants but haven't actually done much.

      For example, have you done some research on a product or trend that others missed and you have made $1000 a month for the last 12 months as a direct result of your research? Or $500 for 6 months? Or even $200 for 3 months?

      Or do you have a verifiable, real degree or work experience in research?

      If not, and you are a beginner with ideas only about how something may work, don't worry. You can sell that right alongside all the other beginners we've been discussing in this thread.

      But if you really want to be credible, honest, etc. there has to be a little more than just some "this might work" that goes into it.

      This is my opinion only. Others will point you to the guys in the WSO or other places raking in the cash with no experience, no credibility, etc. Get caught? No problem. They'll tell you to just use a VPN and get another user account and go again.

      Mark

      Originally Posted by timpr View Post

      Well one of my ideas is about knowing what is going to be a trend before people jump onto the bandwagon. It's not a 100% guarantee, but I do take an extensive look at the subject. This way you can create some content and a website, and maybe you'll make some money. There is no software needed, just some good old fashioned researching.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpr
    Good info Mark. Maybe if I work on my product, I could send you a sample on it for critique.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpr
    How hard is it to do a joint venture with someone? I know that the veteran warriors probably get bombarded regularly, thus making it difficult to get their attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author .
    Hi guys....

    I have created courses in the past so may be I can provide some tips.

    1st. I think that creating a WSO without any reputation is difficult. It's going to create warning bells automatic... so if you are going to sell in a community you need to get involved. Period.

    2. You can easily provide some copies, via PM and get people that are respected to provide testimonials.

    3. Launch something small, affordable and give an insane amount of value. It's impossible to be trolled when you WOW the community and over deliver value.

    4. Be flexible. People are always going to complain, hate, attack... but some people will give you super valuable feedback to improve your product, make it better and launch the next one with more reputation and momentum.

    I'm well aware the WSO section can have bad rep... we are working to improve a lot of things and I can't wait to get the ones that have lost faith... to come back as believers... (Sounds like a Justin B song)

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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    I love the "minimum number of thanks"....
    There are "profiles" on this forum with thousands of "thanks" that I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw a Mack truck.

    Do you think if each WSO gets first review and approved by Warrior... will that bring trust back?
    Who will do the approving? If it's forum staff, you have a monetary interest that will bias any "reveiw."

    What about a big "Caveat Emptor" warning before you can enter - "Here there be scamers, spamers, hackers and theives of every kind. Enter at your own risk."

    We are talking about adults afterall. People who claim to "be in business."

    I don't have problems on the WSO forum. I haven't been scamed lately.

    Maybe it's a good way of weeding out the un-fit?

    Just my opinions.

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    • Profile picture of the author .
      "you have a monetary interest that will bias any "reveiw."
      The monetary interest of Warrior is not in WSO exclusively . Trust me.
      So I'm afraid you are wrong.

      "What about a big "Caveat Emptor" warning before you can enter - "Here there be scamers, spamers, hackers and theives of every kind. Enter at your own risk.""
      Not sure how you want me have an smart conversation after that comment... - you can be part of the solution or rant about the WF. My doors are open for you to be part of the solution.

      But regardless, I think this conversation it's important. So thanks mate.

      PM me if you need anything. Will love to talk to you to help improve the WSO section if you have the time to give us ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author rbates
    "Mate, to be honest... I started 2 days ago. So a lot to catch up."

    Okay Gabe - that gives you two more days to get things in order!

    Just kidding, of course.

    I don't know that there is any way of preventing the scamming.

    I also blame some of the so-called IM "coaches", and many WSO products,
    that tell their students/readers to create that WSO (Only takes a few minutes)
    and then sell it on the WF.

    My apologies, some will give a day or two to create that WSO.
    A WSO that is worth anything is NOT some re-hashed garbage that is thrown
    together in an hour or two.

    One thing that could be done is if a scam is verified (don't ask, I don't know),
    that the offender is banned from WSO's, or the forum for some period of time,
    or forever for that matter.

    One thing that does help is that people are able to post their opinions fo the
    product, and what they think about. That said, even that has some problems.

    Unfortunately, it is the people who are just starting out that get scammed
    the most, because they just don't understand what they need.

    WOW! That's a good idea for a WSO - "Just What You Need" I could
    probably write it in 10 minutes. What do you think? Hah!

    Bottom line is that there will be no failsafe solution. I do think that some
    guidelines might be worthwhile putting into place, and then being
    followed through with, if there is an infraction. It always seems to
    be the "Follow Through" that causes problems.

    Just my two-cents.
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      Wait wait...
      WSO OF THE DAY
      How to fix the WSO problem in 5 minutes with 1 single post.


      A lot to work on... thx mate to help and to care.
      We will make progress.
      trust me.
      (you just met me.... so trust me right
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Practical suggestions:

    Ban ALL income claims, and enforce the rule.

    On the same track, make the WSO section compliant with FTC laws, before they step in and sue Freelancer.

    Make War Room membership nessecary and limit the number of posts & thanks someone needs.

    Sure this will increase work for mods but there's enough of us to make that a breeze.

    Ban all 'make money with WSO' products - as its already been mentioned, that has contributed to the decline of the section..

    The fact that it's a forum used to be attractive to sellers, but as we've seen an influx of trolls targeting the section in the past, the forum element is not so appealing anymore. Maybe something to think about, long term.

    I don't think running quality control on each WSO is nessecary, one persons junk is another's gold.

    Edit:
    Either way, protecting people from being ripped off by scammers should be the priority here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Michael - You forgot one....

    Have ONE set of WSO rules rather than the current one set as a sticky and another hidden as a post from 2016. Make those rules easily found by buyers and sellers....make rules clear and dead-stupid simple so there's no question "what it means" - and enforce it strictly with no apology.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I'll say it again....

    Ban ALL income claims, and enforce the rule.

    Unfortunately, this will never happen because it will hurt sales and reduce income to WF...
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    • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
      I also think making war room manditory will make it impossible for some legit posters to list their items.

      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      I'll say it again....

      Ban ALL income claims, and enforce the rule.

      Unfortunately, this will never happen because it will hurt sales and reduce income to WF...
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      • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
        Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

        I also think making war room manditory will make it impossible for some legit posters to list their items.
        Hi Clair

        In the old days you had to have a WR account to post a WSO and the quality was much better then we have now but back then it was $27 for 20 yrs

        So they would have to drop the prices and it will work ! I think it was Alister and his admin cronies who got greedy and made so many bad choices with the Warrior payments and that it had to that payment and no others caused so much grief
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        • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
          I've been disturbed over the price of the war room for a very long time its rediculous. What is warrior forum for, to promote freelancer or to help entrepreneurs make money online. I have no beef that the freelancer folks should profit from this but not at the expense of helping in 'the old warriorforum ways'.

          Gabriel I'd like to see this price drop in the future I know its possible after all its expensive enough to buy an image for your sig file. Allan always made out in that way and that's still available isn't it?


          Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

          Hi Clair

          In the old days you had to have a WR account to post a WSO and the quality was much better then we have now but back then it was $27 for 20 yrs

          So they would have to drop the prices and it will work ! I think it was Alister and his admin cronies who got greedy and made so many bad choices with the Warrior payments and that it had to that payment and no others caused so much grief
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Here's a couple of rule suggestions for reviews...

    > Only allow reviews by verified buyers, unless the review leads off with a clear disclosure of how the product was acquired (review copy, etc.).

    > Require disclosure of any monetary interest such as reviews by affiliates.

    > Limit the number of reviews by any one individual in a certain time frame. This might limit the "sale" of positive reviews by collectors of free review copies.
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    • Profile picture of the author .
      > Limit the number of reviews by any one individual in a certain time frame. This might limit the "sale" of positive reviews by collectors of free review copies.

      I like that John. Thx.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      > Limit the number of reviews by any one individual in a certain time frame. This might limit the "sale" of positive reviews by collectors of free review copies.
      You'd need a better system to control accounts. At any given time, there are plenty of banned users with brand spanking new accounts and/or people with multiple accounts for reasons other than being banned in the past such as providing glowing reviews.

      Mark
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        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        You'd need a better system to control accounts. At any given time, there are plenty of banned users with brand spanking new accounts and/or people with multiple accounts for reasons other than being banned in the past such as providing glowing reviews.

        Mark
        minimum number of WF posts to be able to leave a review just like to post a WSO

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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

          minimum number of WF posts to be able to leave a review just like to post a WSO
          Has to be coupled with stronger moderation.

          Gab, in all your talking about this, talk to Kurt Melvin. He has some pretty good ideas about how to tie thanks into additional features such as selling a WSO or perhaps doing a review.

          The thinking is something along the lines of you have to have X number of thanks to post a WSO (to this point it could be gamed pretty well) PLUS those thanks have to have come from Y number of Warriors who also have X number of thanks.

          For example, 150 thanks are required and at least 10 of those thanks have to come from members with at least 150 thanks themselves.

          Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    Michael and Kay I'm addressing you both. I think you're doing a good job getting some discussions going about the WSO Section. I don't blame you Michael as much as Kay for agreeing that BH is better and the "not at all" comment. K is a LONG TIME WARRIOR.

    But WSO's have a bad name in the first place due to the Warrior FOrum haters out there and other sites that demoralizes it already. I hate haters.

    This place changed my life and so far its still the same forum with some things added by f.

    The problem is Its TOO far to say BH is better when you know yourself this didn't happen here knowingly. While BH does it on purpose. So they're up front thats because they LOVE being immoral. I don't think f wants that for the warrior forum. So cut me a break. I don't think its a good idea to give BH credit for anything that just says to them 'cool they love our immorality' lets rock guys go get em.

    We don't want to demoralize the WF from within. That's all I"m saying about your comments. The BH thing is not right. Comment back if you want but I don't really care thats how I feel.
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Posters with 0 posts should not be allowed to post WSOs. There should be a minimum post count. They should have to contribute to the forum before trying to profit off of it. It also demonstrates that they might know something about something. Quality over quantity.

    IF you're going to allow people with low post counts or no post count to post WSOs, you should be responsible for looking through them and verifying that they are legitimate and original works.

    I bought a WSO that turned out to be stolen from someone else. I reported it. That WSO was taken down but his other two were allowed to stand. Your mods need to be able to think on their own and take down those others. I shouldn't have to point it out. Once you've stolen something word for word with their sales page and title and everything and posted it for sale, you should be banned from the community for good, including all of your WSOs. That's not even hard.

    There should be some communication between mods and those that report serious offenses. Otherwise there is room for question as to whether or not things are being handled. There should be a specified amount of time for serious infractions like such stolen products or accusations of such wherein the mods will either take appropriate action or report back to the person that is reporting it. Some basic customer service is in order here from the Warrior Forum, not just between buyers and sellers. It is your platform and you should own it as such.

    Eliminate the begging for review copies. There were once rules in place that you couldn't ask for them. Thread after thread is just the same beggars asking for freebies. It's one thing if the seller offers some, though couldn't that be done somewhere other than the sales thread?

    Finally, I think it is shady how so many WSOs are question and answers done through private messages. Sellers should have to be transparent. In some cases you can go look at a sales thread and everything is "sent you a pm" and "replied to your pm" and "I'd like a pm" over and over and over again. What is REALLY going on there? Seems very shady.

    I've loved the WSO part of this forum and have spent a lot of time in it over the years. I do agree with the poster above though that said that at least the Black Hat Forums tell you what they are and are transparent. The WSO forum is really getting worse and worse, not to mention that this forum in general ran off a lot of really knowledgeable people over the last few years.
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      Thanks mate. great feedback.
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