Does anybody go to this level of list-scrubbing?

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I was reading an article in Audience Development about list marketing (can't remember the author, but if I can find the article online Ill post the link) about how some list management companies remove subscribers that have not opened, clicked a link, or otherwise intereacted with any of their sent emails after a few months of opting in.

Basically if these subscribers have not so much as opened an email, they are considered 'dead prospects' and are of no use to the goals of having a subscriber list but they are maybe too lazy to hit the 'Unsubscribe' link and are simple removed by the software. After all the point of email marketing is to create revenue on-demand right? If said subscribers are just wasting list space and helping to jack up your autoresponder fee, why have them?

Maintaining a highly-responsive list is without a doubt an email marketers goal (I know I've had an occasional dream of 100% open and clickthru rate! ) so I'am wondering if any fellow warriors scrub their list of 'dead prospects' or not and why/why not.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve39
    Apathy

    I suppose I always hold out hope that they will one day open my message and a solution to their problem will only be a click away. I know I have some dead weight on my list, but I don't think I'm paying that much more for it in terms of increased auto-responder fees. It would just take one sale to more than compensate for that. Maybe if I had a huge list I'd feel differently.

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  • Profile picture of the author lenlatimer
    Hi,
    I also read that article but didn't agree with it. Sometimes it takes many touches to complete a sale. And if these are prospects who have raised their hand, then they're interested - perhaps not just right now. So instead of throwing them away, keep communicating until they're ready. I've had many sales from people who first contacted me three or more years earlier.

    It's kind of how agencies like to win awards rather than track sales. This guy just wanted a higher response to brag about. C'mon, email is cheap. If he's after better response rates, why not just email to the top 10 customers - probably even get higher response.

    Interesting subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spinethetic
      Originally Posted by steve39 View Post

      Apathy
      Maybe if I had a huge list I'd feel differently.
      Steve
      Yeah I hear you there, if you have a list something around 1M subscribers, removing dead prospects may lessen your autoresponder fee by a couple hundred dollars, but then what if you had a HUGE launch, like Filsaimes continuity last March-April for BFM and tons of people heard about it from other people's lists and they were also on mike's list as well and so those prospects started paying more atention to his emails that formally did not ... might not even be worth the hassle of removing them, I think it all depends on a lot of variables.

      Originally Posted by lenlatimer View Post

      Hi,
      It's kind of how agencies like to win awards rather than track sales. This guy just wanted a higher response to brag about. C'mon, email is cheap. If he's after better response rates, why not just email to the top 10 customers - probably even get higher response.

      Interesting subject.
      LOL! I got this feeling a few times when I read thru B2B's latest issue of "Top 50 Marketers"
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        I think it depends on how the messages are done as well.

        Some lists I'm on will have messages with a summary or blurb followed by a link to the website where I can read or view the whole thing. Probably nine times out of ten, I am not going to click the link. As a subscriber, one point of joining a list is having information delivered to me rather than having to go to a website to view it. If all I get is a blurb and a link, that sort of defeats the purpose. I might as well just bookmark the website; there's little point in being on the mailing list if I have to go to the website to read anything anyway.

        And, for those that don't see the difficulty in clicking a link, here's the thing. I might get dozens of messages at a time. So, when I'm sitting there going through my eMail, I want to focus on going through the eMail. I don't want to jump back and forth between eMail and my browser. Too easy to get distracted. I'd rather focus on one thing and get it done. And, if I get eMails with blurbs and links that I might be interested in, that might get set aside for "later" only "later" will never come because I'll have forgotten about it.

        On the other hand, other lists will have complete articles or information in their messages. So, I might read it right then and there. It's easy and convenient. All the information is right there. And, I will follow through with a link if it is something I'm interested in. So, just because I don't click a link doesn't mean that I am not an active subscriber. It just means that nothing caught my interest. If I make one purchase per year or even one purchase every two years, that should more than cover the costs of an autoresponder. I mean, I receive physical catalogs from companies--some which mail at a rate of about one a month--and maybe only order once every two years. That's got to cost them a lot more than an autoresponder.

        Maybe rather than using automated methods to remove presumed "dead" prospects, why not use an approach more like direct marketers? They'll send a notice that "this could be your last issue" unless you act now, or ask if you want to renew your subscription or something. Offer a special, etc. Just do something to try to utilize those "underactive" subscribers just to see if they are really reading or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author KristiDaniels
    I scrub my lists of non-clickers every 30 days.

    The reason is that most opt-ins use yahoo.com, hotmail.com, aol.com and gmail.com email addresses. All of those providers actively try to catch spam so their users don't see it. Have you ever wonders how they do that?

    Some have "this is spam" buttons. It is pretty easy to apply that to their other users for emails with the same subject line coming from the same email address. But that isn't very reliable. Some people click "this is spam" instead of finding the unsubscribe button. Most people just delete spam without opening it.

    So the better algorithms keep track of what their users do with incoming email from certain sources. If you see 50% of your users deleting all email from a particular source without opening it, then you can probably assume that the other 50% will also appreciate it if you move those items to their spam folder.

    A lot of users will use throw-away email addresses on those services to opt-in. After a couple of months, they abandon those boxes and move to another email address. Those users are even more valuable for spam detection by those services. Someone sending to an abandoned email box for months is probably not a friend, family or desired business associate. Those services can use that data to score senders for how likely they are to be sending wanted email.

    We have a very particular definition for spam as Internet marketers. Spam is unsolicited email. If someone opts in, then it is not spam. That is our definition and while it may be accurate, it completely misses the boat.

    Our readers often have a very different perception of what is or isn't spam. They don't care about definitions. In their view, email is either wanted or not wanted. That is why so many people click the "this is spam" button when they actually opted in to the list. They are just saying "I don't want this" and don't care about the actual definition of spam.

    Email service providers recognize this perception. Their customers are more satisfied with their service when they perceive that the spam filters work very well. I can't count the number of times that I have heard people say that they love gmail because they NEVER see any spam.

    But spam means "unwanted email" to those people, not "unsolicited email" as it does to us. Those email providers recognize that their customer's definition of spam is what counts toward their success. So they use metrics that indicate how pleased a customer is with receiving emails from a particular source or with a particular subject line or on a particular day.

    So let's look at the numbers with and without scrubbing and see why you might want to scrub your list monthly of non-clickers:

    Scenario A: You don't scrub. You have been building a list of what is now 12,000 for a year.

    You send 12,000 out.

    6,000 go to dead email boxes and are never read.

    3,000 go to live email boxes, but the readers always just delete your email without opeing it.

    1,500 open your emails, but are never interested it what you have to offer so they never click.

    1,500 are interested and click at least once a month.

    Your score with that email provider shows that there is an 88% chance of something you send being considered as unwanted email by the average user of that email service.

    That is the probability you will end up in the spam folder. So the real numbers for those last two are only 12% of what is stated above. You didn't actually get 1,500 clicks, because only 12% even saw your email. The other 88% of your emails ended up in spam folders because you don't scrub your list of non-clickers!

    You received 180 readers and maybe 50% clicked resulting in 90 clicks to your offer.

    Now let's look at scrubbing your list monthly.

    Scenario B: You scrub all non-clickers from your list monthly. You have been building a list of what would otherwise be 12,000 for the year, but since you aggressively scrub your list, it really only has 1,500 active subscribers on it currently.

    You send 1,500 out.

    Almost zero go to dead email boxes because you scrub monthly.

    Almost zero go to live email boxes where the readers just delete your email without opening it because you scrubbed them off monthly.

    Almost zero open your emails, but are never interested it what you have to offer and therefore never click. This is because you scrubbed them off your list monthly.

    1,500 are interested and click at least once a month.

    Now the email service providers see that almost all emails from you go to active email boxes and the owners of those email boxes almost always open your emails and often click on a link in those emails.

    Your stats all look like you are a good friend, a close family member or a valued business contact. Your chances of having your emails sent to the spam folder are almost 0%.

    All 1,500 receive your email to their real inbox and not a spam folder. All 1,500 open and click on a link in at least one email you send every month.

    In scenario b, you had 1,500 readers and if 50% clicked, you received 750 clicks to your offer.

    Scenario a received only 90 clicks. Scrubbing monthly received 750 clicks.

    It's all about the bottom line. Scrubbing monthly improves deliverability by a huge margin.
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  • Profile picture of the author showbizvet
    Speaking purely for myself (and I'm on a lot of lists), there are sometimes I'll get messages and even though they look appealing, I'll just click delete. Then the next day (or week) I'll get another, and yet another. At this point I have two choices, either remove myself from the list, or take a look at one of the emails. Depending on the sender, I've done both.

    So in my case one list owner may have deleted me based on being non-responsive, but had they kept for an extra week or so, I might have opened, click and bought.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gobala Krishnan
      I've done that a few time myself.

      Also, if some one replies to my emails saying that he is broke, has no credit card, and doesn't know anything about computers.. then I will unsubscribe him / her right away.

      Saves us both the hassle
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