What to do with trial users who do not convert into paid subscribers?

by WF- Enzo Administrator
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If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
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  • Profile picture of the author Artkantos
    Email marketing, trying to find why they didn't buy and after that trying to solve it (if it's in my hand) Offering a different product that may more suitable
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Artkantos View Post

      Email marketing, trying to find why they didn't buy and after that trying to solve it (if it's in my hand) Offering a different product that may more suitable
      I get what you are saying and since the introduction of e-mail that is how it has been done. dont want this? how about this? or this? or this? or that? it grows old to both the marketer and the marketers' potential clients.

      I think in order to keep this up over an amount of time... you have to be pumping a kick ton of value.

      I am on a ton of mailing lists... and I have un-subscribed over the years from way more than tons. 99.999999% of these mailing lists are of no value what so ever. In all the years I have found 3 that just knock it out of the park with every e-mail. A pleasure to read. But so rare - REAL rare - 3 out of probably thousands over the years.
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      • Profile picture of the author Artkantos
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        I get what you are saying and since the introduction of e-mail that is how it has been done. dont want this? how about this? or this? or this? or that? it grows old to both the marketer and the marketers' potential clients.

        I think in order to keep this up over an amount of time... you have to be pumping a kick ton of value.

        I am on a ton of mailing lists... and I have un-subscribed over the years from way more than tons. 99.999999% of these mailing lists are of no value what so ever. In all the years I have found 3 that just knock it out of the park with every e-mail. A pleasure to read. But so rare - REAL rare - 3 out of probably thousands over the years.
        100%
        Most email marketing is directly selling or really light in value, what you do or can't do with your list depends entirely on your relationship with it. I think we all have our few favorite and trusted newsletters that we read and the massive rest we don't touch it, but that's part of the game!
        Atm that strategy is still working for me
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    • Profile picture of the author WF- Enzo
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      The War Room doesn't have a different product.

      Originally Posted by Artkantos View Post

      Email marketing, trying to find why they didn't buy and after that trying to solve it (if it's in my hand) Offering a different product that may more suitable
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      • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
        You are running the number one marketing forum and you don't know how to convert your subscribers to the war room? Stop and consider that for a moment.

        You on one hand advertise how to dominate the internet marketing industry if they join the war room -what? you don't have a clue how to. Weird. I don't have a clue how to either or I wouldn't be on a forum I would be living the dream. People like dreams but they love value.

        Also. I was in the welcome to the war room thread. go look how many responses have been given to the troubles reported in it. Maybe have a look at that too. Taking care of your members is key isn't it?

        Edit- I was just in the war room after years LOL wowsers. So many broken links.Value isn't broken links and posts that came up years ago . It's all learning and tweaking and reapplying what you learn as I am sure you know but if I wasn't already a member I honestly wouldn't buy it either. Strategies that were good in 2012 are useless now.. stuff like that should be removed imo
        It shows you care nothing about the people you're offering it to and that's ok if that's how you want to play it you're a big company but at least fix the links if you're gonna offer it as a product .



        So. there's that.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

        The War Room doesn't have a different product.
        Again, I am not a member, and I can only see from the outside looking in... YES it has a different product... Those would be called niches.

        From the outside looking in ( The Join War Room Page ) we have things like:
        • Traffic Generation
        • Kindle
        • Conversion Rate Optimization
        • Video Marketing
        • Affiliate Marketing
        • eCommerce
        • Product Creation
        • Email Marketing
        • Search Engine Optimization
        • Offline Marketing
        • Niche Research
        • Copywriting
        • Monetization Strategies
        • Mindset Development
        • Social Media Marketing
        • Niche Site Building
        • Article Marketing
        • Domain Flipping

        Somebody somewhere some how needs to "curate" a list of links for each of these niches with content within the War room ( and follow the criteria set by WD Mino - actually go through the content and find intact content to list - meaning no bad links etc ) then someone needs to have the ability to get e-mail notification when new content on selected topics is added. In those notifications of new content that a user might have interest in... one might then integrate contextually valid products from the "Discover Featured Products" section of the site.

        Someone really needs to go back over the last 2-3 years and read the Bkelly string of posts and subsequent responses - the parallels are probably short of silly.

        Ive said it more than a few times... If you already have a good thing... the addition of income streams, Discover Featured Products is a good start - bad name but good start. MERCH should be on the top of your list.

        The hard part is already done... you have the traffic... you just need to start converting it
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I'd say look at what you are offering. There is no email or paid ad that is as convincing as TRYING product or service and finding it uesr friendly and WORTH PAYING MONEY FOR.


    You will have tire kickers and freebie seekers....that's normal. If you have a good conversion from ad to 'free trial period' and people are not joining/paying....either they don't see the membership/product as useful to them....or they don't think it's worth the price.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
    This is an interesting topic... There are a few ways o maybe tighten up the numbers a bit.

    #1 would be traffic source and getting better Qualified free subscribers. I would suggest in the macro of this topic that this would be the most common reason for HUGE amounts of subscribers to e-mail or a free offer and few that actually convert.

    #2 might be something like VALUE. are you presenting enough value in what you are offering to convert someone from FREE to an actual paying customer?

    #3 Are you actually hitting a prospects pain points? Meaning are you answering problems the end user may have?

    #4 Is what you are offering as a subscription congruent with what got them to your landing page to begin with, and what may be offered free from there? - this is another HUGE hang up for most marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
    This sounds like a "depends" issue.

    If your sales copy/funnel is all about getting free trial sign-ups, then congrats - it's working. Now you need to focus on the service itself. Test price points, subscription periods, value packages - and ask for user feedback. Then work on the service/product and all the variables until the conversion rate is acceptable.

    If your sales copy is focused on the paid subscription with the free trial option as an afterthought, you've got some serious work to do on the copy, the offer or the targeting. Maybe all three. In this scenario, the conversion rate of the free trialists shouldn't be your main concern.
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  • Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
    Make them an offer they cannot refuse.

    I got this idea from Dan Kennedy.

    I used to have free e-mail subscribers, and I converted many of them to paid.
    The paid subscription was $39 a month.

    This was the offer. They got the first 3 months of the paid newsletter for just $5.95. And I included lots of freebies, a DVD full of back issues, a free copy of my latest (at the time) book. After their first three months, they would be charged $39 a month until they cancelled.

    Did a lot of them cancel before the first $39 charge? Not really. The average number of months they stayed was about 8. But the ones that lasted past 4 months? They stayed an average of 18 months. That's 15 paid months.

    The important thing was that they paid something, and I had charged their credit card. Now, they had to do something to cancel.

    I also learned (but never tested myself) that about $19 a month is the most you can charge and have it be low enough that they never go to the trouble to cancel.

    I have lots of $10-20 a month charges that I no longer use. If it were $50 a month? I'd be a lot more likely to cancel after I saw the charge on my CC statement.
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    • Profile picture of the author Artkantos
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


      I also learned (but never tested myself) that about $19 a month is the most you can charge and have it be low enough that they never go to the trouble to cancel.

      I have lots of $10-20 a month charges that I no longer use. If it were $50 a month? I'd be a lot more likely to cancel after I saw the charge on my CC statement.
      I tested myself and it's totally like that, I used to charge 17$ a month for a crypto-newsletter and I notice that a high percentage like 70% or so stayed years even they never used the service
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Why not send an email and ask them. Most marketers just end up deleting non converting subscribers. So, maybe a quick email with a simple form or just a multiple choice question.

    Something in the lines of

    Hello (insert name here)

    I noticed you signed up for a trial subscription to our site about teaching your goldfish tricks, but have not committed to the full membership.

    Could you reply to us and let us know what the site is lacking or why you choose not to go with the full membership.

    Thank You

    Antonio Montana
    Of course you will have to write the email in your voice and taylor to your audience but even if you get a few responses it could tell you something.

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    • Profile picture of the author Artkantos
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      Why not send an email and ask them. Most marketers just end up deleting non converting subscribers. So, maybe a quick email with a simple form or just a multiple choice question.

      Something in the lines of



      Of course you will have to write the email in your voice and taylor to your audience but even if you get a few responses it could tell you something.

      al
      I'll do exactly this. You could even do it (if applicable) more attractive in terms of reducing the friction, etcetera
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The War Room doesn't have a different product.
    The War Room is a totally different product than it was when it was launched.


    What was designed as a section of experienced members offering free products (no strings, no signups, no promotions), special deals and high end help - is now a full section of curated and/or rewritten content by Admin. What was launched in 2013 or so for $37 for lifetime membership is now $99/year.

    It IS a 'different product' and if people are trying it and not joining - it is overpriced.
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    Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
    Asking them as mentioned above is great. You'll probably get some responses. Could be good for pain point language in copywriting, new features to work on.

    How about some Cialdini? Once someone commits a little, then it's easy for them to commit a little more.

    Offer a rewards program for paid signups by referral. For the few who are action takers and advocates, they get money for recommending your offer...and that'll make them more likely to sign up themselves.

    Run a contest. Segment your list to pull out those who have been on the free plan for say 2+ months and no longer than 6-12 (your choice). Those past 6 months or a year probably forgot you exist. Specifically tell them the contest is for people who signed up for the free offer but aren't using it. Ask them as the entry ticket for a testimonial on why they'd use it and how having the full services of a paid subscription free to them for a year or two would change their lives.

    These testimonials can now be used in your marketing forever.

    Run the contest, give away full service offers for a year or two to the two winners. Advertise the winners repeatedly so people know it actually happened. Get comments from the happy winners. Share those, too.

    Those who didn't win, give them a special offer to sign up immediately following the contest results. They already said how their lives would be better with the full product, didn't they? Cialdini pushes them towards buying now.

    If you have no idea what I'm talking about, go get the classic On Influence by Cialdini and discover a new world of persuasion.
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  • You imagine your trial is the direct HOTLINE to your FULL & FURIOUS "SAIL EVRYPLACE IN A YACHT TILL'N THE SUN COUGHS ITS LAST HEAT" solootion.

    It is naht.

    Ours is a trial an' error world -- less'n you gaht any kinda previous smarts -- so you gonna see a crazy amounta triallin' gowin' on.

    Aftah all, what is it 'bout 2035 that is so inevitable we can kinda sleepwalk there?

    Plenty present day saints & celebs gonna be dust by then, so who is readin' their memoirs for succor?

    So I figure uncertainty an' flux are always with us ... an' so how may we commune with the mutable an' pull tangible rabbits outta the miracle hat?

    You gotta trial an' test, I guess.

    BUT ... NOT AT RANDOM, BCS YOU MORTAL!

    So I would always wish to say 'bout trials don't work out is to review the MISMATCH between HEY C'MON an' HOW THIS WORKS.

    You primin' prospects for dufferismo?

    Happens all ovah!

    So ... don't promise nuthin' you cain't delivah.

    Second is, your fullah version don't pulse out on killah feachoores to warrant the cost.

    Plenty variables here, go do the math.

    Third, your supah free offah gaht evrywan curious, and, now they LOOKIN' (bcs you PRESENTED), actshwlly this SUPER COOL SOLUTION is available ELSEWHERE for CHEAPAH plus MORE FEACHURES.

    Identify the mismatch.

    "He kissed me sweet, but showed no intrest in lickin' my hair."

    Inevitably, promisin' too big an' deliverin' too lame ain't gonna work out.

    An' one night in the sack don't nevah predict marriage.
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  • Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
    You can remind them when the free trial is about to be over, so they can subscribe to the paid service if they forgot what day it is. Or you can provide an early discount if subscribe before the trial is over. I would also follow up via email even after the trial is over to ask them to subscribe, and mention the benefits of subscribing when doing so.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    You may have a disconnect:


    You are the Warrior Forum. But the forum is kind of dead, people get a lot of "Search Engine Journal says" type of articles.


    If I joined a forum, the curated articles would be the maraschino cherry, not the cake. The cake would be the forum.


    If I saw lots of "Search Engine Journal says" type of articles, I'd tell myself, why don't you go over Search Engine Journal and subscribe to them? I would never tell myself, pay Warrior Forum extra so I can see mini-summaries of articles in the Search Engine Journal... (or whatever journal last came up).


    The paid version gives you access to a lot of old things... very few new ones. Many of the old things are still applicable. But if I'm new to marketing, how do I know? I see 2013 date and think, why read this? Things must have changed a lot.


    And Savidge is right: If the way I got to sign up is my interest in dropshipping, I would want a lot of current droppshipping stuff to come my way... You have a droppshipping section and that's good. But, there, I have to go look through things, sort by myself. You pointing out to me good stuff would be worth my money.


    By pointing out I mean, email me stuff or just arrange the forum differently, by droppshipping topics... Which means, maybe, just this: your search function should be better. Right now, not so good.

    Maybe it means more than that. Bit it would make me think paying might just be worth my money.
    Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    I will just say this and you can take it for what it's worth.
    Ask yourself an honest question.
    Would you buy something that is broken?

    1.\Advertise the thing as it should be advertised.

    Dominate your niche with this stupid simple tool
    Ebooks, Training, Software. You name it-The ULTIMATE internet toolbox is at your disposal.
    Stop wasting time and money and make the right choice right off the bat.
    This is the War Room.
    Join Today.

    How ya gonna dominate the industry? It's filled with niches from bread tags to MMO

    2.Stop the free trial because it is not needed because you don't update it so it is all accessible and no reason to stay. Could be why nobody is staying.

    Offer a package f 3 ebooks chosen from the war room and give them to them if they register. Tell them about the value and why that is applicable to them. The War Room is your product sell the benefits.
    A feature is-Content from some of the best in the online world
    The Benefit is. Stupid simple formulas you can easily apply and get started right away..

    3.Update the content. You have access to the best and most brilliant minds so utilize that.

    4. You're personally doing a good job thanks for putting in the time. I am not ragging on ya just trying to be helpful.

    Always Onwards.
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      Originally Posted by WD Mino View Post

      4. You're personally doing a good job thanks for putting in the time. I am not ragging on ya just trying to be helpful.
      Absolutely worth repeating
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  • Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    If you're running a subscription service, and you see more users signing up for a free trial than users paying for a paid subscription, how do you convert these trial users into paid users?
    Offer special bonuses to sign up for paid subscription obviously...
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    maybe
    • not the right audience, that's why the conversion from trial to paid is lower, or
    • they don't get it, don't see the value

    lets focus on the 2nd reason, if that's the case, meaning we can have a specific education system to teach them the benefits , use case, case study, results of using our products

    Make sense?
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    • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      maybe
      • not the right audience, that's why the conversion from trial to paid is lower, or
      • they don't get it, don't see the value

      lets focus on the 2nd reason, if that's the case, meaning we can have a specific education system to teach them the benefits , use case, case study, results of using our products

      Make sense?
      Actually. This is a brilliant idea.
      Choose 3 freebie people off your list.
      Choose one strategy that is in the war room and give it to them.
      What results did they get within a suitable time period.

      It's the Ultimate Toolbox with strategies people can easily apply and get started right away.
      Prove it. Use the case studies to your advantage, get the list to follow along SHOW them the benefits and tell them their time of freebie seeking is over. If I say you can make thousands of dollars following one simple strategy and I prove it... That's good value.

      Always onwards my fellow Warriors!
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    Interesting topic
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