How to Sell Thousands of Copies of Your Excellent Ebook...Without a List or Your Own Traffic

by V12
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So, you've done your research, found a hungry market with a desperate need and you've produced an excellent ebook to fill that need. The problem is this: none of the websites you've approached are interested in a JV. Some of them haven't even answered your emails. What next?

1) make a list of big websites related to your niche which have a free ezine/newsletter or similar for their subscribers. They usually have an opt-in form somewhere on the homepage, or you'll get a pop-up as you enter/leave. The more subscribers to their opt-in ezine, the better.

2) get some copies of your ebook printed as a physical book by using lulu.com or a similar Print-on-Demand service. You could have just one copy printed if you liked but it gets cheaper with quantity. Don't go crazy though. You shouldn't need too many, unless you want to give copies to friends, family etc.

3) find the snail-mail address of your potential JV partner. Use a service such as WHOIS to do this. If you can't find an address, email them to ask for it. If you still can't get it, move on to the next JV partner.

4) write your JV proposal inside the front cover of the book. Use this advice from copywriting legend Ted Nicholas:

"The best ink colour to use for signature, margin notes and arrows, etc., is reflex blue. When you mark up the letter and sign the original, use a felt tip pen."

i.e. write it in reflex blue using a felt tip pen. Personalise your message. Tell them how you love their site and that you feel the book they are holding would be great for their subscribers. Ask them them if they would like to do a JV with an ebook version. Include all your contact details, including phone number. Make it as easy as possible for them to contact you.

5) In your proposal, offer the potential JV partner at least 60% commision on each sale, even more if possible. This is to increase your chances of getting in. Of course, tell them your proposed selling price.

5) send your physical book out to them using a courier company such as FedEx, DHL, UPS etc. This will ensure that it gets looked at. Who doesn't love to open a parcel?

Now let's look at some numbers.

If you send your proposal to someone with 10,000 subscribers, assuming they sell to just 5% of their subscribers, with a $37 ebook and 60% commission to them, you would get $7,400 from that JV.

5% is very low for someone emailing their own list, and you could find someone with a list of 100,000 or bigger. Play with the numbers, it gets interesting!

If you have your own ebook which you know is top quality and you're struggling to market it, this might just be the way to make it pay.

Abdul.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
    Cool. Have you tried it? Or do you know anyone who has?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
      Very interesting post. $37 seems a bit high for an ebook, but if it's good enough, it would demand it.

      I don't do much with lists, but I know a lot of people here do, and make a lot of money from it. I'll keep checking this thread to see what people are adding to this, I'm very curious
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug Olson
        If you made a physical book would you have to get it copywrighted or would they do that for you?
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        • Profile picture of the author V12
          Doug,

          As I understand it, in the UK where I am based, copyright is automatic for any piece of work created by anyone. There are no forms to fill or anything like that. I would put my full name and the copyright symbol on both the ebook and the physical book to make it clear.

          I'm not a lawyer (lucky me) so please do your own research on this.

          Abdul.
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          Ignore this post.
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      I'm still writing my first ebook so no, I haven't tried it myself yet.

      I do know someone who's tried it. In fact, I got the idea from him. He's a UK publisher and a multi-millionaire, so I guess it does work :-)

      Abdul.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    Thats actually a really good idea, very unique and will def grab the attention of the person you wish to JV with. In fact I am going to use this tactic for my new ebook launch thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      Originally Posted by SeanSupplee View Post

      Thats actually a really good idea, very unique and will def grab the attention of the person you wish to JV with. In fact I am going to use this tactic for my new ebook launch thank you!
      You're welcome. Let us know how you get on!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Opportunex, do you know if you can get Lulu or an equivalent to ship express directly from their print factory instead of coming via yourself?

    The reason I'm wondering is if this is possible, it would give you the opportunity to reach potential partners all over the world, and your own location wouldn't be a constraint.

    For example, I'm in Australia and international postage is nasty. But, if a book could be shipped directly that would be different. Of course, you wouldn't get the handwritten note included, but it would still potentially work.

    Maybe another way to do it is go via CreateSpace, get your book on Amazon and then order it as a gift - Amazon.com Help: Designating Orders as Gifts

    Then, Amazon will include a message and even gift wrap it for you. That's GOT to get attention - everybody loves presents!
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    • Profile picture of the author shabit87
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      Opportunex, do you know if you can get Lulu or an equivalent to ship express directly from their print factory instead of coming via yourself?

      The reason I'm wondering is if this is possible, it would give you the opportunity to reach potential partners all over the world, and your own location wouldn't be a constraint.

      For example, I'm in Australia and international postage is nasty. But, if a book could be shipped directly that would be different. Of course, you wouldn't get the handwritten note included, but it would still potentially work.

      Maybe another way to do it is go via CreateSpace, get your book on Amazon and then order it as a gift - Amazon.com Help: Designating Orders as Gifts

      Then, Amazon will include a message and even gift wrap it for you. That's GOT to get attention - everybody loves presents!
      Maybe you could outsourse this job to a fulfillment company or if you have a friend or relative in the states, have them do it. I'm sure you could also use CL or elance to find someone to do it. If its really that big of a deal, consider making it an audio book and using kunaki (think thats how you spell it) to ship it out for you in CD audio form.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cole Knight
        This is a very good idea and definitely something that could help get you noticed and find a partner. Hope someone try's it out and discusses their results.
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      Opportunex, do you know if you can get Lulu or an equivalent to ship express directly from their print factory instead of coming via yourself?

      The reason I'm wondering is if this is possible, it would give you the opportunity to reach potential partners all over the world, and your own location wouldn't be a constraint.

      For example, I'm in Australia and international postage is nasty. But, if a book could be shipped directly that would be different. Of course, you wouldn't get the handwritten note included, but it would still potentially work.

      Maybe another way to do it is go via CreateSpace, get your book on Amazon and then order it as a gift - Amazon.com Help: Designating Orders as Gifts

      Then, Amazon will include a message and even gift wrap it for you. That's GOT to get attention - everybody loves presents!
      Kezz,

      As I understand it, Lulu don't do any printing. They use print-on-demand partners, so in effect they are dropshipping.

      You could always find a POD service close to your JV prospect and if they offer dropshipping, get them to print and post the book. E.g. look for 'print on demand new york'.

      You could have your JV proposal printed in the book itself, personalised to the recipient but this would have far less impact.

      Personally I feel the investment in the books is negligible when compared to the potential returns. Even a $19.95 ebook selling 1000 copies, with you getting 40% would return you $7980.

      BTW, Lulu do have a POD partner in Australia. If you find a JV partner in Australia, your costs would come right down.

      Hope this helps.

      Abdul.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kezz
        Originally Posted by Opportunex View Post

        BTW, Lulu do have a POD partner in Australia. If you find a JV partner in Australia, your costs would come right down.
        That's not a bad idea too. I think I know who the printer is actually, I think it's McPherson's print group.

        Although....I have to wonder how much extra attention a nice gift wrapped package might get too.

        I mean, how much more awesome are most presents before you unwrap them. There's just something about wrapping paper that takes you back to being 8 years old on Christmas morning hoping to get the toy you've been dreaming of.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
    Neat idea. Anything that gets you more JV partners has to be good.

    re: none of the websites you've approached are interested in a JV. Some of them haven't even answered your emails. What next?

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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      Roy,

      I've looked at your sig and I really liked what I saw. Great stuff.

      Abdul.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
        I have to admit, as one of those people who generally ignore JV requests (been burned so many times) something like that would get my attention.

        Even if it doesn't work you're on the right track. I hate to use the tired old 90s term, but it's definitely "thinking outside of the box". I'm interested to see how this turns out for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
        Originally Posted by Opportunex View Post

        Roy,

        I've looked at your sig and I really liked what I saw. Great stuff.

        Abdul.
        You're welcome Abdul.

        Glad you liked it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Soapyshoe
    Originally Posted by Opportunex View Post

    If you send your proposal to someone with 10,000 subscribers, assuming they sell to just 5% of their subscribers, with a $37 ebook and 60% commission to them, you would get $7,400 from that JV.
    Or you could create a WSO
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgalloway
    I like the idea (anything different to get through), but I have to take exception to this part of your post:

    5% is very low for someone emailing their own list, and you could find someone with a list of 100,000 or bigger. Play with the numbers, it gets interesting!
    You're talking about 500 sales from a list of 10000 people, and in my experience (with my own list and my guru clients), that would be an exceptional response.

    Remember that the open rate is going to be some fraction -- maybe 25-50% on a relatively small/new list, and usually worse as the list gets bigger/older. And then you'll get a percentage of those to buy -- 1%-10%. So for a 10000 list I think it's more realistic to expect 20-50 sales rather than 500 . . .

    Obviously this varies with the list and the relationship the owner has built with it, the relevance of the offer, etc. But 5% of the subscribers is unrealistically high, IMHO . . .

    Best,

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    • Profile picture of the author dirtyjazzhands
      This is a pretty cool idea that if nothing else would get you some attention. And who doesn't want to see a hard copy of their own work in print?

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      • Profile picture of the author dirtyjazzhands
        Originally Posted by Doug Olson

        If you made a physical book would you have to get it copywrighted or would they do that for you?
        Originally Posted by Opportunex

        Doug,

        As I understand it, in the UK where I am based, copyright is automatic for any piece of work created by anyone. There are no forms to fill or anything like that. I would put my full name and the copyright symbol on both the ebook and the physical book to make it clear.

        I'm not a lawyer (lucky me) so please do your own research on this.

        Abdul.
        Neither am I a lawyer, but here in the US when you create a work and put it into printed form (I'm not so sure about eBooks...) it is automatically has copyright protection. As the author of the work, you are the copyright holder and are free to place copyright notice and symbol without registering that with the Library of Congress. However, should an issue arise (such as copyright infringement), having your material registered would be a big benefit.

        Again, not a lawyer, but a creative person who's done quite a bit of research!

        --Josh
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        • Profile picture of the author peter_act
          Opportunex,

          Your post is very timely

          I've got my e-book coming out shortly, which I want to make a hard cover as well, so people can put it on their bookshelf as a reference manual, instead of sitting on their hard drive among all the other fogotten PDFs.

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          1) make a list of big websites related to your niche which have a free ezine/newsletter or similar for their subscribers. They usually have an opt-in form somewhere on the homepage, or you'll get a pop-up as you enter/leave. The more subscribers to their opt-in ezine, the better./Quote

          I've just joined the Directory of Ezines, so this bit already done.

          Quote:
          2) get some copies of your ebook printed as a physical book by using lulu.com or a similar Print-on-Demand service. You could have just one copy printed if you liked but it gets cheaper with quantity. Don't go crazy though. You shouldn't need too many, unless you want to give copies to friends, family etc./Quote

          I was wondering how I would get my hard cover book printed on demand.

          3) find the snail-mail address of your potential JV partner. Use a service such as WHOIS to do this. If you can't find an address, email them to ask for it. If you still can't get it, move on to the next JV partner.

          Great idea, I'll do this.

          5) In your proposal, offer the potential JV partner at least 60% commision on each sale, even more if possible. This is to increase your chances of getting in. Of course, tell them your proposed selling price.

          I was wondering about the commission - for a $37 e-book I don't think any JV partner would take it on at 60% - not enough in it for him. At that price I would put it on Clickbank.
          My book will be $97, as I am adding enough bonuses to bring it up to that level. Also it is a substantial volume, at over 200 A4 pages.

          5) send your physical book out to them using a courier company such as FedEx, DHL, UPS etc. This will ensure that it gets looked at. Who doesn't love to open a parcel?

          Abdul.[/QUOTE]

          Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

          For example, I'm in Australia and international postage is nasty. But, if a book could be shipped directly that would be different. Of course, you wouldn't get the handwritten note included, but it would still potentially work.

          Maybe another way to do it is go via CreateSpace, get your book on Amazon and then order it as a gift.

          Then, Amazon will include a message and even gift wrap it for you. That's GOT to get attention - everybody loves presents!
          Kezz, I'm in Oz too, Canberra to be precise. If you find out anything more on this give me a PM

          Opportunex, I've sent you a PM
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    • Profile picture of the author Randy Smith
      Originally Posted by paulgalloway View Post

      I like the idea (anything different to get through), but I have to take exception to this part of your post:



      You're talking about 500 sales from a list of 10000 people, and in my experience (with my own list and my guru clients), that would be an exceptional response.

      Remember that the open rate is going to be some fraction -- maybe 25-50% on a relatively small/new list, and usually worse as the list gets bigger/older. And then you'll get a percentage of those to buy -- 1%-10%. So for a 10000 list I think it's more realistic to expect 20-50 sales rather than 500 . . .

      Obviously this varies with the list and the relationship the owner has built with it, the relevance of the offer, etc. But 5% of the subscribers is unrealistically high, IMHO . . .

      Best,

      Paul
      That does seem much more realistic. - Honest figures from someone who knows what he's talking about!

      Well worth crunching the numbers for if you were thinking of going this route.


      Randy
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  • Profile picture of the author Paulie Ciara
    Great idea! I think if I were to do this, which I think I might, I'd offer more than 60%.

    If I know a potential JV has 200K subscribers in his list, I wouldn't be afraid to offer the report for 100% commission because I know that at even at a 2% conversion, I'd walk away with 4K new buying leads.

    He gets short-term profit, I get long-term profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      Originally Posted by vashie View Post

      Great idea! I think if I were to do this, which I think I might, I'd offer more than 60%.

      If I know a potential JV has 200K subscribers in his list, I wouldn't be afraid to offer the report for 100% commission because I know that at even at a 2% conversion, I'd walk away with 4K new buying leads.

      He gets short-term profit, I get long-term profit.
      This is also a great idea.

      Abdul.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hi Abdul,

    Good timing - I've just been doing exactly this. I took the physical proof copy of my latest book the our London Lunch (UK marketers meetings many UK warriors go to) last week and people there also liked this idea.

    It's a nice feeling to have your physical book in your hands.

    I used Createspace and paid for the extended distribution option which gets the book into lots of Amazons extended publishing and distribution partners. Of course I also made an ebook version which I can sell in many other ways and have some JV's lined up for that, but for the physical version I just point people to Amazon to get it now and it's available anywhere in the world without me needing to do anything.

    I ordered 50 initial copies so that I could attach a silver bar to them for friends and initial JV partners. It's about investing in silver, so I figured that would make sure they paid attention when it arrived

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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Hi Abdul,

      Good timing - I've just been doing exactly this. I took the physical proof copy of my latest book the our London Lunch (UK marketers meetings many UK warriors go to) last week and people there also liked this idea.

      It's a nice feeling to have your physical book in your hands.

      I used Createspace and paid for the extended distribution option which gets the book into lots of Amazons extended publishing and distribution partners. Of course I also made an ebook version which I can sell in many other ways and have some JV's lined up for that, but for the physical version I just point people to Amazon to get it now and it's available anywhere in the world without me needing to do anything.

      I ordered 50 initial copies so that I could attach a silver bar to them for friends and initial JV partners. It's about investing in silver, so I figured that would make sure they paid attention when it arrived

      Andy
      Yes, I'm sure a silver bar would get my attention! Best of luck with your book.

      Abdul.
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    the proof is needed
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by Opportunex View Post

    So, you've done your research, found a hungry market with a desperate need and you've produced an excellent ebook to fill that need. The problem is this: none of the websites you've approached are interested in a JV. Some of them haven't even answered your emails. What next?

    It seems to me if someone went through this path then they didn't really understand the concept of finding a hungry market.

    It's not just about finding a group of people who might be willing to buy your product.

    Before you create a product you need to find a hungry market THAT YOU HAVE EASY AND ECONOMICAL ACCESS TO.

    In other words you set up the joint venture with the list before you create the product.

    Or you test the pay per click. Or you find the list you can rent a mailing to etc etc.

    Don't start creating products until you already know how you're going to sell those products.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Andrew,

      I was thinking of going down the straight advertising route, and bypassing the JVs altogether, as I would have to give away too much in commissions.

      Advertising would be easy access to the market, and, depending on your budget, could be economical too.

      I sent you a PM, by the way.

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    Looks interesting Thanks
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