Plagiarism of forum posts

16 years ago

Sad really when you think about it.

You would think that if they were really into internet marketing, knew their stuff and thus were deserved of their credability - then they would be able to make their own posts.

Or maybe they just don't know their stuff..

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dsmpublishing

16 years ago

Hi

i wouldn't bother either it would feel like a complete waste of time complaining about it. Though it would annoy me if it was my own work - people like that though will never make it online.

I would complain if it would make a major difference to my business for example i always complain when i find out people have copied my autoresponder sequence which has happened a few times in the past or if someone copied my articles etc.

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Kella Bella

16 years ago

You can call him out it's really up to you but I find when someone does that.......they don't really see it's wrong or dishonest so not like they will admit it anyways or stop it.

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Dennis Gaskill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kella Bella

You can call him out it's really up to you but I find when someone does that.......they don't really see it's wrong or dishonest so not like they will admit it anyways or stop it.

Someone who does that will steal content from anywhere, maybe your own website.

Sometimes I'll make an issue of it and sometimes I won't. It depends on my mood and how much time I have available. What you do is up to you. Whatever feels right to you.

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Kella Bella

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Someone who does that will steal content from anywhere, maybe your own website.

Sometimes I'll make an issue of it and sometimes I won't. It depends on my mood and how much time I have available. What you do is up to you. Whatever feels right to you.

I never said I don't think it's wrong. I don't do anything like that. My point was the person doing it obviously doesn't think it's wrong so other than complaining about them to mods my point was there's really no point in telling them it's wrong. Anyone with any common sense already knows it is and if they then decide to do it usually calling them out isn't going to have any effect on their behavior is what I meant.

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Dennis Gaskill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kella Bella

I never said I don't think it's wrong. I don't do anything like that. My point was the person doing it obviously doesn't think it's wrong so other than complaining about them to mods my point was there's really no point in telling them it's wrong. Anyone with any common sense already knows it is and if they then decide to do it usually calling them out isn't going to have any effect on their behavior is what I meant.

Yeah, I actually misread your post when I commented. I thought you said you didn't think it was wrong. I edited my comment about that out, but forgot to remove the quote. I actually meant to just reply to the OP at that point. Sorry about that. Don't hate me, I just thanked you in another thread.

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Kella Bella

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Yeah, I actually misread your post when I commented. I thought you said you didn't think it was wrong. I edited my comment about that out, but forgot to remove the quote. I actually meant to just reply to the OP at that point. Sorry about that. Don't hate me, I just thanked you in another thread.

Sokay I saw after I responded that you edited it. And I don't hate you. I'm new here still but I find that you really have some great posts and I already have a lot of respect for you :-)

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Dennis Gaskill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kella Bella

Sokay I saw after I responded that you edited it. And I don't hate you. I'm new here still but I find that you really have some great posts and I already have a lot of respect for you :-)

...and now I've given you that shiny button you wanted, but you'll have to go find it in another thread.

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Kella Bella 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

...and now I've given you that shiny button you wanted, but you'll have to go find it in another thread.

I saw it I saw it! Me likey too! Thanksa mucha-hehe
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Kerry Finch 16 years ago

I know some people who have different 'identities' in different forums, so there is the possibility that this is the same person posting the same material. If it is good and worthwhile information I would be inclined to move on and channel some positive energy rather than 'calling them out'.

If what they are posting is crap, you can either challenge their post, advise a mod or again, move on to something positive.

Life's too short.
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Andyhenry

16 years ago

That's funny.

So we'd all better be careful what we post here then?

I suppose if I post something here in order to help someone and some different people get helped from it - that's a good thing.

It's just a shame if some idiot is handing out advice pretending they're an expert so that they can sell gullible people stuff on the back of it.

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Dennis Gaskill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

That's funny.

So we'd all better be careful what we post here then?

I suppose if I post something here in order to help someone and some different people get helped from it - that's a good thing.

It's just a shame if some idiot is handing out advice pretending they're an expert so that they can sell gullible people stuff on the back of it.

It goes deeper than that, Andy. Some members here are swiping content from blogs and other places and posting it here as their own words. And I found someone swiping a post from here and submitting it as their own work to one of the article directories. I notified the guy whose words were stolen so he could decide for himself if he wanted to report it or not.

Shows you the value of this forum. People steal from it and people steal from elsewhere hoping to build a reputation here. Too bad the reputation they're building isn't a good one. They likely won't realize that until it's too late.

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edhan

16 years ago

Sounds to me that someone doing this is taking credit for the stuff being written. It is like my article directory, the original author from ezine directory written to me saying that the article published in my article directory by the author had stolen from him. He had provided me with the proof in the ezine directory so I helped him to remove the article from my article directory.

I can understand the feeling of having your article being used by others and not crediting your effort for producing the article.

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sbucciarel

Banned 16 years ago

You aren't allowed to call him out here. TOS violation and hey ... is it really important enough to bother with. I mean, obviously this character doesn't have any coherent thoughts of his own ... just some stupid little nitwit, but who cares really what he does until he starts ripping off people's products or articles.

The problem with him is, he probably will rip off products and articles. He's a thief.

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Frank Donovan

16 years ago

Those who claim that "calling him out" would be a waste of time, seem happy enough to contribute their time and thoughts to this thread.

If the OP considers it worthwhile to frequent a forum, how is contributing to that forum a waste of time?

And I don't see how it would contravene any TOS to just post in the particular thread something along the lines of: "Hey, I noticed this exact post in another forum last week, by someone else. Guess it's not just great minds that think alike.."

That way, the OP would be doing a service to the other forum members as well as gently pricking the bubble of the offending poster.

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Mrs S

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Those who claim that "calling him out" would be a waste of time, seem happy enough to contribute their time and thoughts to this thread.

If the OP considers it worthwhile to frequent a forum, how is contributing to that forum a waste of time?

And I don't see how it would contravene any TOS to just post in the particular thread something along the lines of: "Hey, I noticed this exact post in another forum last week, by someone else. Guess it's not just great minds that think alike.."

That way, the OP would be doing a service to the other forum members as well as gently pricking the bubble of the offending poster.

Frank

I like that suggestion Frank. Thanks.

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Kay King

16 years ago

. Some members here are swiping content from blogs and other places and posting it here as their own words. And I found someone swiping a post from here and submitting it as their own work to one of the article directories.

And they think no one knows....and then wonder why their posts are deleted or why they're banned here.

All the guy is doing is following the general trend in online marketing--pretend you know stuff, pretend you produced you stuff through your own work, and pretend it is all original.

Do con artists have the right to be morally outraged when someone tries to scam them?

Right - but you're here, aren't you - with all us con artists?

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Michael Mayo

16 years ago

I agree with Kerry. It could be the same person. Although if it isn't then I
would have to agree with Frank.

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Originally Posted by Kerry Finch

I know some people who have different 'identities' in different forums, so there is the possibility that this is the same person posting the same material. If it is good and worthwhile information I would be inclined to move on and channel some positive energy rather than 'calling them out'.

If what they are posting is crap, you can either challenge their post, advise a mod or again, move on to something positive.

Life's too short.

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Those who claim that "calling him out" would be a waste of time, seem happy enough to contribute their time and thoughts to this thread.

If the OP considers it worthwhile to frequent a forum, how is contributing to that forum a waste of time?

And I don't see how it would contravene any TOS to just post in the particular thread something along the lines of: "Hey, I noticed this exact post in another forum last week, by someone else. Guess it's not just great minds that think alike.."

That way, the OP would be doing a service to the other forum members as well as gently pricking the bubble of the offending poster.

Frank

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Kay King 16 years ago

It would have been better if he acknowledged who originally posted the message.

Not really - forum posts belong to the original poster (copyright) and, in some instances, to the forum owner (depending on the terms on the forum).
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mmurtha

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

And I don't see how it would contravene any TOS to just post in the particular thread something along the lines of: "Hey, I noticed this exact post in another forum last week, by someone else. Guess it's not just great minds that think alike.."

That way, the OP would be doing a service to the other forum members as well as gently pricking the bubble of the offending poster.

Frank

Exactly!

I was just sitting here thinking while reading the thread that others can be warned about people like that content thief.

The sad thing is, how many people will he laure in posing as an expert when he really is not, and how many people will be harmed by his actions. I'm not referring to the people he stole content from - it's the newbs I worry about. They will follow anyone if it sounds good.

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kyrious

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mrs S

I think I've seen it all today - I was hanging out at another IM forum and a guy there is posting things that sound vaguely familiar. Then today I know that I've seen his post here on the WF. So I look it up - and it's a word for word copy which looks to be written by a completely different person.

Looks like this one guy surfs the forums and then snags other people's posts to post as his own.

Great way to build your credibility hey!

Question is - would you call him out on it? I have flagged his posts as plagiarized to the mods at the other forum.

i have a friend who done the same thing copying other's post on another forum but he's account was deleted because the site owner knows if you are copying your post from other forum

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Lloyd Buchinski

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mrs S

Question is - would you call him out on it? I have flagged his posts as plagiarized to the mods at the other forum.

That's pretty much what I would do. I have reported spam here a couple of times and no more than 5 min later, refreshed the page and it was gone.

Most decent forums wouldn't want that kind of stuff happening. Forums really are a lot of work though.

My new theory is that people without the talent to put up a site of their own have to settle for posting links on a forum.

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Kaz Moriarty

16 years ago

All the guy is doing is following the general trend in online marketing--pretend you know stuff, pretend you produced you stuff through your own work, and pretend it is all original.

Do con artists have the right to be morally outraged when someone tries to scam them?

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StacyHolmes

16 years ago

Good job Mrs. S

I've been seeing this lately too. I doubt it's the same guy. Must be the latest and greatest in lazy IM.

All I can do is shake my head because that person is very sad. If they can't write their own ideas, then they have no ideas and they're literally an idea vampire. They are dooming themselves to misery because they will never learn and be able to master the necessary work to become successful on the Net.

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MassiveMarketer

16 years ago

It would have been better if he acknowledged who originally posted the message.

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butters 16 years ago

Hehe, I see this a lot I just provide a link to the original article in their post . 2 second google search is all it takes.
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milo_pl

16 years ago

It could be a primitive automated forum posting tool, not really a person...

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Gasen

16 years ago

You could contact the original poster with a link to the dup post. If the OP is merely using different names at different forums, no harm is done. If the post was stolen, the OP can then decide to take action.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Gasen

You could contact the original poster with a link to the dup post. If the OP is merely using different names at different forums, no harm is done. If the post was stolen, the OP can then decide to take action.

I agree. I'd ask the person privately first, just in case it is the same person using two different forum names.

And if it isn't then maybe there's a chance they'd think twice about continuing their activities, especially if it's in a popular forum.

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Rod Cortez

16 years ago

I think I've seen it all today - I was hanging out at another IM forum and a guy there is posting things that sound vaguely familiar. Then today I know that I've seen his post here on the WF. So I look it up - and it's a word for word copy which looks to be written by a completely different person.

Looks like this one guy surfs the forums and then snags other people's posts to post as his own.

Great way to build your credibility hey!

Question is - would you call him out on it? I have flagged his posts as plagiarized to the mods at the other forum.

RoD

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Scott Ames

16 years ago

I think I've seen it all today - I was hanging out at another IM forum and a guy there is posting things that sound vaguely familiar. Then today I know that I've seen his post here on the WF. So I look it up - and it's a word for word copy which looks to be written by a completely different person.

Looks like this one guy surfs the forums and then snags other people's posts to post as his own.

Great way to build your credibility hey!

Question is - would you call him out on it? I have flagged his posts as plagiarized to the mods at the other forum.

Ok I'm kidding .. Sorry in a silly mood right now.

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Kay King 16 years ago

I agree. I'd ask the person privately first, just in case it is the same person using two different forum names.

Nope - you can simply post in the thread - "this was good when it was posted on ....., too".
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  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  Nope - you can simply post in the thread - "this was good when it was posted on ....., too".
  
  Hey Kay,
  
  This was good when it was posted on the Warrior Forum....
  
  Rod "Coffee-Makes-Me-Silly!" Cortez
  
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  Dennis Gaskill 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by milo_pl
  
  It could be a primitive automated forum posting tool, not really a person...
  
  Even if that were true, it's NOT an excuse for stealing. Whoever owns the tool knows what it is doing, and can be held responsible for it.
  
  @ RoD - I'm glad you reported it. If everyone takes the responsibility to report thieves, some of them may figure out it isn't working and change their ways. At the very least it slows them down and may help newbies to realize the internet is still small enough to get caught stealing and help keep them from starting down that dark path.
  
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Michele Buch

16 years ago

There are people who don't like to make waves or who consider plagarism of posts distasteful, but not bad enough to take the time to call it out, and so do nothing.

Although I respect their beliefs, I think that if you want a quality forum, it is the responsibility of the members to take action when something isn't right.

At the very least, the moderator should be informed, but I prefer the method of posting comments on the forum (such as Kay King and Frank Donovan have suggested) so that the forum members are aware.

If you have the time, it would be thoughtful to let the original poster know about the plagerism through a privite message.

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Online Bliss

16 years ago

Although I respect their beliefs, I think that if you want a quality forum, it is the responsibility of the members to take action when something isn't right.

This is why this Forum outshines every other forum.
Abuse, and bad language etc. is not tolerated here.
However I see it on almost every other forum.
We should speak up (take action) when needed.

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uniquecontent

16 years ago

I think it is against copyright law. Anyone should ask first to original writer before using his contents anywhere.

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