So You Want to Create a New Niche Website But Don't Know Where to Start?

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Over my short period in internet marketing I have come to notice that despite all of the information available both freely and through various paid courses, many people still struggle to get their head around both the overall concept in general as well as the finer details that together brings success.

Many people have tasted some sort of success but struggle to move from micro niche sites making only dollars a day to a piece of virtual real estate that you can build a real business around. They get caught up with a process without seeing the bigger picture.

I am currently assisting a Warrior who is passionate about his niche but is struggling to get solid results. We thought that it would be beneficial to other new internet marketer's if we shared what we were discussing and learning to hopefully help them get a foot in the door as well.

As a marketer, I make a great engineer. I love numbers and stats but you have to forgive my poor writing and communication skills. If something doesn't make sense then just hit me up and I'll try and reword it into English!

So you want to create a new website to monetise but don't know where to start?
Unlike many, I don't start off with a monetisation method in mind and go looking for sites to target. Limiting yourself to a set monetising method already cuts your potential markets and keywords to only a small slither of what is really available. Getting in your head from the start that you are going to make nothing but an AdSense site means that you will miss all of the products on Amazon and EBay; there might be CPA offers available that are perfect for certain keywords in a niche or high paying Click Bank products. Your content is also limited.

Say you make a site about weight lifting, if you were to monetise solely by AdSense then you can target certain weight lifting products but the ads being presented are going to be about the niche in general, usually not about the product. A user after reviews or wants to know where to buy Mega-x hyper-viper 5000 weight benches will not be as likely to click on a new protein powder than on a link to Amazon that gives them more information about where they can buy the Mega-x HV5000.

If you are getting 100 people a day viewing that page then your sales copy should be good enough to sell a weight bench every day. That will be worth more than the 5 to 10 AdSense clicks.

Another problem with limiting yourself to AdSense is the markets that have a generally low CPC. Many people who have followed the AdSense manuals are encouraged to skip those words. Instead of skipping the word find another way to capitalise on it. There might be a high converting Amazon product that will fit right in. Maybe you can capture the users' email address and send them a PLR product or your own product in return. Sell them related products or services down the track.

If you are making a site for Amazon products don't ignore the related keywords that are asking for information about the niche. Your site might be about the Mega-x HV5000 mentioned earlier but while researching you find that someone is looking for Mega-x HV5000 exercises. They obviously already own the product but might be interested in AdSense ads or joining another mailing list about those exercises. Create your page for that term targeted for those other methods.

Finding Your Niche Market
The amount of markets available is practically limitless. Nearly everyone can be profitable in one way or another. Have a look around the house; read the newspaper; watch TV. If you don't have a passion in anything in particular than just write down anything and everything you can think of. If you do have hobbies and interest in some topics, write them down at the top of your list.

Do not get your mind set on a niche until you know you can get traffic to it. You have to learn to let go of something that will never work. If you really want to make a site about the Mega-x HV5000 but the competition is too tough or the search volume is too low and it limits your ability to expand in the future, forget about it. Move onto the next potential as quick as possible. It will take a while but once you find a site with truly easy competition you will keep looking for weaknesses in keywords and markets that you shouldn't be worrying about.

The key to a successful website is quality traffic. Your niche must have the potential to get this traffic and it is the first step in qualifying your niche. I won't enter a market unless I know it can get 1000 unique visitors per day. This traffic doesn't have to come straight away as the site launches. It doesn't have to come from 1 keyword but if a site I do launch does have success then I want to know that I can improve on it with little extra work. It will give you room to expand.

Just to recap -
  • Be open to various monetisation methods.
  • Do not focus on a niche if it isn't working or going to work - know when to walk away.
  • Create a list of markets and niches that you can think of. Prioritise with what you enjoy or know about.
  • Keep in mind you want a large potential of traffic - say 1000UV/day.
Let's Get Some Keywords
Once you have your list of niche ideas it is time to start moving through the list to generate potential keywords. The tool you use for keyword research really doesn't matter. They all just tie into Google's database so the results will always be similar. I like to use Domain Samurai at the moment because I make wide use of the domain search feature. It is free too!

Create a new project for your research and enter in your first niche as the keyword. Move over to keyword research and from the base niche keyword check Google Synonym Tool, Include Additional, and Google Search Keywords. Generate your keywords.

This first run will be used to find various micro niches inside your niche. It will also help you find what the real world uses to find the market. Sometimes what you call an item or service is different to a large percentage of people. This is particularly true across different Countries.
Click on Analyse Keywords to be taken to the Keyword screen. This is what Google thinks is relevant to your market. Keep the Match Type set to Broad - we aren't looking for keywords yet, just starting points, seed keywords I guess the term is.

Go through your list and add any good looking seed words to new tabs. The very top of your list will be some very broad terms that you will learn over time not to produce any decent exact keywords from. Look at the 2 and 3 word combos with a broad search of 2000+. These seed words will be used to create more similar keywords so don't waste your time by doubling up. "Red Widget" will produce the same results as "Widget Red". It will usually get the highly searched keywords that the seed "red widget reviews" would produce so there is no point in seeding "red widget reviews".

You want seed words that contain unique combinations.

You must use some common sense that can't be taught but the next steps will help you master this first step. Experience really does help and once you have tried a few times you will understand. Always keep the process in your mind the next time you do something.

If your list of seed words is small or the search volume is low then skip that niche and move onto the next one. No point wasting more time on it when there are plenty more to choose from!

Once you have gone through and tabbed out all of the seed words you can switch the match type over to Exact. Select the filter under Total Searches to 78. This will give you a list of all words that gets searched 2400/month for your main niche keyword. I wouldn't go any lower than that. There are so many easy keywords available that you will kick yourself down the track wasting your time on them.

Save the list of filtered results to a text file for later use. This text file will contain all potential keywords for your niche. Once save, remove the keyword from Domain/Market Samurai and move onto the first seed word one that you created a tab for.

With the seed selected do keyword analysis on the word but this time change the "Include Additional Results" to "Ignore Additional Results". It is unlikely the additional keywords will be any different to the ones you had earlier so it will just clutter the results.

Generate your fresh set of keywords and move onto analysing them, i.e. change the match type to exact match and set the total results filter to 78. Save the remaining keywords back to your master list.

Repeat the process for all of the seed words you got out of the initial analysis. Your potential keywords list should have quite a few results in it now and each one should get you at least a bankable amount of traffic.

Are the Keywords Worth Pursuing? - Competition Analysis
This is probably the area where most people fail when researching a potential niche and/or keywords. The goal for a marketer who relies on organic traffic is to get into the #1 spot on Google for their targeted keyword. The next best result is landing somewhere on the first page. This is achievable for most keywords after an appropriate amount of work is put in but for beginners who haven't tasted success it is best to aim for the words that are very easy to rank well for.

Firstly, the number of pages with the words in the title, URL, description, or contain the phrase etc are not your competition. They can give you a guide to what's out there but it gives no indication of the difficulty to rank well for a keyword.

A page will rank well for a keyword based first on its relevance and secondly on its trust and authority. Relevancy can be achieved by anyone, trust and authority cannot.

The basic way a modern search engine works is that when a search is initiated it creates a pool of results that are relevant to a term and then re-sorts those results based on its trust. The final result is what the user sees.

PageRank (PR) is a representation of a page's trust for the Google search engine. PageRank is generated through backlinks to the page (BLP). On-site SEO as well as the type of backlink creates the relevancy (I won't get into an argument at the moment about anchor text or content creating this relevance).

Our competition is everyone above the position we want to achieve - the top 10 of Google results.

Know that on-site SEO factors can be achieved very easily so not a deciding factor.

Knowing that PR and BLP are key factors to a well ranked page, we now look for sites where the PR and BLP are low. There are several tools that will do this - Market Samurai (paid), Traffic Travis (free), and SEO Quake Firefox Plug-in (free).

With your list of potential keywords that you created earlier, move through each one in your software of choice and start looking at the top 10 results. Focus on nothing but the PageRank and Backlinks to the Page.
You don't have to do this but I add the data to an Excel spread sheet for each keyword in my list. Each row is a new keyword. The first column is for the keyword; the next 10 are for the PR to the page of the top 10 results; the next 10 are the BLP to the top 10. I then have a column for the average PR and the average BLP. I create conditional formatting to highlight the average PR cell (green) for any keyword with an average top 10 PR of less than 2. I do the same for keywords with an average BLP of less than 20.

I sort the data from lowest BLP to highest. If I have a bunch of keywords highlighted green then I know I am on a winner. Each of those keywords will be easy to dominate with little external backlinking. Make sure that the total traffic from your group of filtered keywords is enough to create a site out of (I am looking for 1000 uniques/day).

Here are a couple of screen shots from Market Samurai of keywords that I rank #1 for. It will give you an idea of what an easy keyword really looks like.

These filtered keywords will be the starting point of your new niche. If the traffic isn't there due to excessive competition then once again move onto a new one. If the traffic is there, don't discard the keywords that failed the competition filter. These words may still be achievable but just not ideal to get the ball rolling. As backlinks, age and authority increases with time these other words can start to come into play. Using a high broad match as the starting points for your seed words will also give you room to move and the potential for a lot of long tail phrases.

Before you commit on using the niche go through each keyword phrase and start creating a mental picture of the type of site you are going to create. Think of a way to monetise each phrase to try and get the ball rolling. Think of long term goals too. The keywords may make you lean towards something other than an affiliate or either a PPC type site.

I also recommend that you repeat the entire process for as many niches in your original list of ideas before proceeding. It won't be until you have seen the number of searches and competition levels of numerous keywords and markets before you get a real feel of what an easy niche really is.

Keep your mind open and realise that you now at least have a group of keywords with a lot of traffic potential to build your first niche site from.
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    Nice post - great info. Thanks! I just got the trial version of MS and will probably upgrade within the week. It's awesome stuff.

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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    There is a lot of valuable information in this post and you clearly spell it out for anyone to understand. Nice job!
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  • Profile picture of the author jbento
    Great post.

    Clear, very informative and no hype. Good job.



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  • Profile picture of the author Kieron
    Indeed, very well written and should of great assistance to new IMers, my compliments to you. Kieron
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  • Profile picture of the author silverwaterfall
    Thank you for all the detailed information. I'm going to spend much time re-reading to absorb it all. Your time is much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charleskidd
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    • Profile picture of the author edmltw
      Indeed, keyword research is CRITICAL for success online. Never, ever skip this step. You'll regret it deeply.


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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Thanks guys.

      Originally Posted by Charleskidd View Post

      Very detailed information. Great share and by now everyone should be using market samurai or keyword elite.
      I have never used Keyword Elite so can't comment on how it works but a lot of people don't know that the Keyword Research module of Market Samurai (and now Domain Samurai) is completely free. It is just the more advanced modules that cost money.

      The SEO competition analysis can quite easily be done with the SEOQuake plugin. Just search for your term and do the mass PR and Yahoo BLP check and note the results. It doesn't provide you a pretty picture like MS but the end results is the same. Just be careful with personalisation/localisation of the results. That is more of an issue when you are outside USA.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
          I thought I would bust in here to comment on this method of keyword research and talk about some of the results I've seen quite quickly following this tutorial.

          First, I will start by saying that I am in the warrior that Troy has been helping extensively with not just keyword research but a host of other things that I am still learning, including some weird issues I've been having with indexing and ranking.

          I think having a solid plan of attack when doing keyword research would have helped me tremendously in the planning stage of the niche I am currently struggling with.

          A little background information first. I've been working very hard on building an authority site in the travel niche and to be honest I'm not seeing great results with my efforts thus far. I think one of the primary reasons I have struggled so much up to this point is my keyword selection.

          My initial set of keywords were real low hanging fruit in terms of search volume but still had some pretty thick competition. My idea of competition analysis was way off when it comes to getting a new site's pages to rank.

          Following his KW research tutorial we have already uncovered at least 30+ keywords with beatable competition and over 2400 exact match searches. The front page competition on these keywords is full of mostly PR 1 and 2's with less than 20 backlinks which is far from the keywords I was initially targeting.

          Also, these keywords were found using just 1 of the categories on my site which leaves 7 other categories to explore.

          It really goes to show that with a little bit more research and the right tools that you can uncover keywords in just about any market. The travel market is pretty competitive and I never would have thought that I could find keywords with this kind of search volume and easy competition.

          So for anyone struggling to find those perfect keywords, they are out there and spending some time studying this tutorial will really help you uncover some gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mokai
    Great post, very detailed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    One thing that I forgot to mention that can be costly if you aren't prepared for it is to always check the Local Search Numbers once you have a keyword you like.

    If you aren't in a position to utilise a keyword that is only searched at another Country's server then you will struggle to get the traffic. The competition may also be slightly different to what you see locally.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vic Chan
      This totally rocks!!

      You have my thanks Fraggler.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bicycle Cat
    Thanks for the little guide, mate. Heard the weather at Brissy is nice, better than down here in Melbourne!
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    This is exactly what I was looking for.. thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author sridhar
    Any chance you can shoot a screencast of the same (the Market Samurai part) Troy?

    I did watch your MS review videos and while the program features are covered, they do not show the process you described above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Sure thing, sridhar. It's on the to-do list. I will hopefully get something done this weekend.

    Originally Posted by Bicycle Cat View Post

    Thanks for the little guide, mate. Heard the weather at Brissy is nice, better than down here in Melbourne!
    Winter in Brisbane is the worse weekend of the year...hehe.
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  • Profile picture of the author VegasKid777
    Cool, thanks for this guide, I'm just getting started in internet marketing and it looks like I might have made a pretty big mistake if I continued on the path I was going.

    One question though on anazlying back links. A couple keywords I'm analyzing have one site in the top 10 with 1000+ backlinks and no other site has more than 100. Do you ever ignore things like that and get the average of the rest of the sites?

    Thanks again for this guide, I am certainly grasping the concepts of it as a total newbie so it should be great for those with some experience.

    Edit - Continued digging through my niche and would like to say thanks again as it looks like I have possibly found a good niche with very weak top 10 and high daily search count
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    I do take notice of sites that have an unusually large amount of links compared to the others on the page. If it is down towards the bottom I will have a quick look at them and see where the large number is coming from. A lot of the time it is due to a couple of sitewide links or sites from the same webmaster (same server).

    The links may also be totally irrelevant to the keyword.

    You can also look at other other sites and see if there is a reason the few links they have are pushing it above a site with 1000+. They may have a couple of high PR links which gives them a great boost. This is a rarity though.

    If a site has 1000+ links and a PR of only 2, those links are going to be poor. That is probably the quickest way to check.
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  • Profile picture of the author LocoDice
    Gday Fraggler,

    Good to see other fellow Aussies on this forum (I am an expat).

    I read your post very carefully, and think that this is excellent information. Even though I have heard some of it before, I find I often need my mind to have certain things validated by hearing it from other people that know what they are talking about before I believe things will work. There is just so much noise out there, I think this is a way my mind works to filter it all.

    I have seen the average PR 2 metric before, and think that is really sound advice.

    My question relates to BLD (Back Links to Domain).

    I too use the excellent (Australian made ) Market Samurai, and I noticed you reference BLP (Back Links to Page for the benefit of thread followers).

    It sounds sensible to look at average BLP of 20, but what about those sites with BLP's that appear okay but absolutely monstrous BLD's?

    I won't beat around the bush, I'm in the hotel space and there are some huge competitors out there (think,,, who have a huge amount of links to a domain but often very few to the actual long tail page they have for a particular hotel.

    I know you said you don't take this into consideration, but I would still be interested on your thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by mkterbynite View Post

      My question relates to BLD (Back Links to Domain).

      I too use the excellent (Australian made ) Market Samurai, and I noticed you reference BLP (Back Links to Page for the benefit of thread followers).

      It sounds sensible to look at average BLP of 20, but what about those sites with BLP's that appear okay but absolutely monstrous BLD's?
      I missed this message last week but if you are still chasing info this is what I have found.

      Amazon is probably the best example I have come across that follows the same guidelines - low backlinks to the page but high backlinks to the domain. These pages are usually in the top 10 because they are feeding off the domain authority and internal linking structure of the site. The pages' themselves aren't being promoted at all and don't appear to be on the radar for the website owners.

      Amazon product pages are very easy to over take and I use it as a good signal that a keyword has potential. This should be the same for other authority sites that have pages ranking for long tails.

      If you aren't sure just pick one term that has the high BLD competitor in the top 10 and see how you go. If you can do it with one then you can do it for many.
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        • Profile picture of the author jackieholmes
          Hi Fraggler

          I am so impressed with your generosity to provide such a very useful information as this. It really helps a lot of marketers who want to start up with their niche site especially for newbies...
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  • Profile picture of the author svencooke
    Thanks for the article Troy.

    It is very comprehensive and covers a lot. As you indicate it's all about setting up a process and following it through to identify areas where you will have most success.

    Best wishes to you
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