Is this the end of HTML sites?

16 years ago

Sites with a social aspect might be favoured more (first I've heard but it'd make sense), although the vast majority of the web is still static (I guess by "HTML" you mean static? Since dynamic Web 2.0 is still ultimately just [X]HTML..)

So yeah - erm, nope. "HTML" sites aren't at an end.

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Bill Farnham

16 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

I quite don't get it yet, can anyone explain me how its going to be?

I think the ingredient you may be missing is the notion of Googles first page (and their other serps) as being extremely valuable virtual real estate.

It does Google no good to serve up sites that have a shedload of backlinks and yet nobody goes there. And when they do try to put them up on the first page they become 'back button specials'. Google scores hitting the back button with a lot of weight.

So sites that rank and allow the searcher to find what they are looking for (as opposed to jumping right back to the search page) will keep their ranking due to providing quality as defined by those searching for the keywords.

In other words, don't just give Google what you think Google wants, give those who are searching the content they are looking for.

HTML has little to do with it.

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lukemeister 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

In other words, don't just give Google what you think Google wants, give those who are searching the content they are looking for.

And the circle is complete. Content is still king?...
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N4PGW

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

And when they do try to put them up on the first page they become 'back button specials'. Google scores hitting the back button with a lot of weight.

~Bill

Just a side note about the "back button specials." Years ago, I had a site that ranked on the first page of Google for a very uncommon term. I was demonstrating something to my father which involved my accessing the site and backing back to the page I had come from. The side effect was that while we were watching, I 'bumped' my sited right off the front page. I had no relationship to IM at the time, so it was no loss to me. We just laughed about it, but I discovered an important lesson I keep in my mind, even today, many years later.

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coco28

16 years ago

Most of my internet viewing is done at work, either reading stuff related to my work or at lunchtime when I read the online papers. My work's firewall blocks stuff like the popular social sites and I have no sound, so can't watch video. So, when at work, the only content I can view is the old fashioned, information rich, text based content. And thats the way I like it.

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16 years ago

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netkid

16 years ago

@neodarth, interaction is even being done on opt in and squeeze pages. Have you ever seen the new crop of opt in and squeeze pages that allow comments below? And what about the videos on these pages including alt tags?

The smart IM'rs are wise to the Google caffiene and going that route now to have their squeezes and opt ins still rank in the good graces of Google.

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jbode

16 years ago

Originally Posted by netkid

@neodarth, interaction is even being done on opt in and squeeze pages. Have you ever seen the new crop of opt in and squeeze pages that allow comments below? And what about the videos on these pages including alt tags?

The smart IM'rs are wise to the Google caffiene and going that route now to have their squeezes and opt ins still rank in the good graces of Google.

I actually think that allowing people to leave comments lowers conversions on optin page

I'd take a higher optin over site interaction any day

Most squeeze pages don't rank high in Google anyways... they have very little content (especially my simple headline squeeze pages)

...I won't go over board making your sites 'interaction friendly'
instead go with 'conversion friendly'

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netkid 16 years ago

@Jbode, very true. Squeeze pages and opt ins should be used for destination pages anyway. All other efforts should be made to direct traffic to it as opposed to those pages themselves getting high rank. I agree.

I do, however believe HTML sites are going the way of blogs. I teach face to face seminars about setting up a blog as opposed to HTML sites. They are easier to manage and get favorable treatment from the search engines. I even have experienced webmasters coming to my seminars to learn blogging. They want to transition their services to blogs
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bgmacaw

16 years ago

Don't buy the hype being generated by someone who has a ebook/course/whatever to sell.

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Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Don't buy the hype being generated by someone who has a ebook/course/whatever to sell.

Good catch, lol.
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- Matt Morgan 16 years ago
  
  Is this the end of HTML sites?
  
  That reminds me in 1998-99 some people saying "will 2000 be the end of the world?"
  
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- Jeff Henshaw 16 years ago
  
  Although HTML sites are static but not dynamic
  
  I think that some including me would take issue with that. HTML and (X) are what you make of it (them).
  
  Personally, if a site is a sales page (whatever code it is written in), then I would prefer static. For certain interactive and other purposes, dynamic. Par for the course.
  
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dndoseller

16 years ago

I think eventually a socially active site with lots of web 2.0 activity pointing to it will just be easier to rank with, like using WordPress and keyword domains helps now. These are all factors in a weighted average.

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JohnMcCabe 16 years ago

Have you ever looked at the source code for a blog page? Sure looks a lot like HTML to me...
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- Digital Storm 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe
  
  Have you ever looked at the source code for a blog page? Sure looks a lot like HTML to me...
  
  haha - yeah, I agree it's html... Just because a blog is more user friendly doesn't make it "html free" unless it's 100% flash....
  
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  JohnMcCabe 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Robert Barnard
  
  haha - yeah, I agree it's html... Just because a blog is more user friendly doesn't make it "html free" unless it's 100% flash....
  
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  Which isn't always that user-friendly. My wife likes to enter online contests and sweepstakes while she watches TV, and flash sites drive her crazy sometimes.
  
  Many flash forms won't function with form fillers like Roboform. Along with really silly design mistakes, like making your form captions the same color as your background, forgetting to include a submit button, etc. Granted, these are not inherent flaws of flash, but they seem to happen much more often in that format.
  
  One flaw that is inherent in flash is that the final product sometimes doesn't play nice with browsers other than the one it was designed in. There have been many times a flash form has hung up her laptop, requiring a three-finger salute to get things moving again.
  
  That's one reason I believe some variant of html will be around for a long time to come - at least until I can get Dennis's astral thingie working...
  
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  Dennis Gaskill 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe
  
  That's one reason I believe some variant of html will be around for a long time to come - at least until I can get Dennis's astral thingie working...
  
  Reboot, John, reboot.
  
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Derwin

16 years ago

I do not think that HTML sites will be end. Although HTML sites are static but not dynamic but they are not gong to be end.On the other side web 2.0 websites getting popularity in dynamic side and people can design and create their own websites in minutes like blogs on word press. In this view we can say that these website became more popular than HTML static websites.

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netkid 16 years ago

@John McCabe, Well the fact is, CSS and PHP, which is the language of Wordpress, all refers to HTML code! LOL
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- JohnMcCabe 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by netkid
  
  @John McCabe, Well the fact is, CSS and PHP, which is the language of Wordpress, all refers to HTML code! LOL
  
  Exactly. CSS, PHP, perl, javascript, whatever, all essentially are methods of manipulating html code when used to create a web page. Or maybe that should be "display a web page"...
  
  So the question isn't really whether HTML is dying. It's really whether some methods of producing HTML that are fading away.
  
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  netkid 16 years ago
  
  I think what the OP meant was straight HTML sites are dying.
  
  Like my "conventional webmaster" that I use told me how tedius it is to make flash based sites with hand coding of a static site with Dreamweaver.
  
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bgmacaw 16 years ago

Originally Posted by insomniacl

HTML5 is coming around and will be even more powerful.

Now if you can just get those corporate IT departments to stop forcing people to use IE6....

Corporate IT just won't let IE6 die
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TristanPerry 16 years ago

Originally Posted by insomniacl

Web 2.0 is HTML. HTML5 is coming around and will be even more powerful.

HTML5 is HTML too

Just like Windows 7 is still Windows
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Matt Morgan 16 years ago

Originally Posted by insomniacl

Web 2.0 is HTML. HTML5 is coming around and will be even more powerful.

We will probably be in treat for some new and cool features with HTML5
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- Dennis Gaskill 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Matt Morgan
  
  We will probably be in treat for some new and cool features with HTML5
  
  Yes, like drop shadows, rounded corners, etc. -- after the browsers catch up. Then again, how many years has it been in the making? It could come soon, but don't hold your breath.
  
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  SledgeHammer 16 years ago
  
  Pure HTML sites are not dead and will never be. If you are having content rich SEO friendly HTML site; it will always fare higher.
  
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houseaz

16 years ago

I'm sorry but I've had this discussion with people who have claimed this but Google would essentially make themselves irrelevant by passing info people didn't want. Imagine searching for "chevy cars" and the first link being a hubpages or squidoo link? I don't think so. QUALITY content will always rule. And by quality I don't mean India or the Philippines rewrites.

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Haussingen Peter

16 years ago

it depends the content i think...even the web2.0 has good interaction.

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Dennis Gaskill

16 years ago

Oh yes, HTML is dead. It's all about The Cosmic Internet now. You don't even need a computer. You just log into your Universal Consciousness account and the answers come to you before you think of the questions. It's brilliant! Act quickly and be one of the lucky few to grab the special report, Is Everything Dead? at no cost.

Sorry, no offense intended. I couldn't help myself. You know how it is.

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neodarth

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Oh yes, HTML is dead. It's all about The Cosmic Internet now. You don't even need a computer. You just log into your Universal Consciousness account and the answers come to you before you think of the questions. It's brilliant! Act quickly and be one of the lucky few to grab the special report, Is Everything Dead? at no cost.

Sorry, no offense intended. I couldn't help myself. You know how it is.

As a proud member and in the name of the "Cosmic Internet brotherhood: 2012 the end of times" I must said.... no offense taken

Message send from my iThink Astral device

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neodarth

16 years ago

Yeah... As a completely ignorant on web coding I didn't get it right... (I can't tell the difference between html, xhtml, css they are like ancient greek for me)

What I was intended to ask is if all those web sites with 4-5 static pages the kind of "set up and forget" will no longer fall into Google's grace.

This is because I have a couple of those "overloaded flash" sites SEO optimized that were anchored on #2 for six months on Google, but a month or so ago they drop to #51 and below on Google, but on Yahoo and Bing they remains on #1.

That's make me wonder if I have to move my static sites to wordpress.

But what you guys said makes sense.

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Dennis Gaskill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

Yeah... As a completely ignorant on web coding I didn't get it right... (I can't tell the difference between html, xhtml, css they are like ancient greek for me)

What I was intended to ask is if all those web sites with 4-5 static pages the kind of "set up and forget" will no longer fall into Google's grace.

This is because I have a couple of those "overloaded flash" sites SEO optimized that were anchored on #2 for six months on Google, but a month or so ago they drop to #51 and below on Google, but on Yahoo and Bing they remains on #1.

That's make me wonder if I have to move my static sites to wordpress.

But what you guys said makes sense.

Google is putting more emphasis back on content, so sites as you describe here will suffer. It's for a lack of content though, not because of using HTML or being a static site. I have a static site that does great in Google, but it has about 300 or more pages of content.

PS - I got a kick out of your reply to my previous comment.

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postsorcius

16 years ago

no, html is not at the end, it's just getting better, for example html 5, can make your site more interactive, and it's HTML, so HTML will be here for more years .... it's the combination of elements that can make your site really nice and interactive, or just static, and old fashioned

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Arun Pal Singh

16 years ago

Nothing dies! Everything evolves.

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Nicola Lane

16 years ago

People seem to go so caught up in trying to work or game or out fox the search engines that they lose sight of what the search engines are actually trying to do.

Gain repeat custom by providing the results that the searcher wants

Most times a searcher does not care what sort of page or site comes up in the results, obvious exceptions are someone searching from an iphone does not want a flash page coming up in the results!

Think about it. If you are looking for the opening hours of your local library do you really care whether it is a static page, a facebook page or a PDF document? All you want to know is when the library is open.

Hope that helps

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Fun to Write 16 years ago

I have a high-ranking authority site that is html. So, I'll wait and see if its rankings have any drastic changes. Not worried yet, though.
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