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17 years ago

Of course it's possible, since many are doing it.

Income needs vary by person- $20,000 is not enough to live on if you have to pay your own bills. It's less than $1700 a month.

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anomaly

17 years ago

Alminc,

I have no doubt that its possible ... i think the think to consider is unless you are extremely lucky it won't happen overnight ... it takes time to develop your skills and your presence on the web ... but it can be done I have no doubt

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Hamida Harland 17 years ago

Alot of people build up to a full time income online while doing IM just part time - I wouldn't have quit my job until I had replaced my offline income.

I don't think there's any one 'perfect' business model for part timers though - most business models can be done part time, and if not there's always outsourcing.

Tim Gorman is a great example of someone who built a five figure online business while working only a few hours a day (and he has less time than most, being in the army). Just goes to show what one can do when they put their mind to it.
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matthewd

17 years ago

I do it. I am in college and go to school most of the day and then study quite a bit in the evenings.

When I have time, I work, but I am making a full time income working only part time... heck, during finals, I usually go 2 weeks with only working maybe 30 minutes/day.

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13YearsOld

17 years ago

It takes far longer to set-up but, depending on your work ethic, it's possible to set up an internet business working on it part-time. It would also depend on how much you want to make.

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JonathanBoettcher

17 years ago

I waited until I was making more than 50k online before I quit offline.

It's definitely possible.

As for choosing your model? There are tons of them out there. You need to pick one that meshes with your likes & skills. There's a really good example of something easy to get into right here:

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AskJesusLeon

17 years ago

The nice thing about working part time is that you can continue to work in your J.O.B until you reahed a certain level with your mlm business then you could do your mlm business full time if you choose

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nitrospawn

17 years ago

i believe is possible if you need a few pm me

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Alminc

17 years ago

Thank you guys for your responses. It's good to get some advice from
people that already have built an online business while still having
a full time offline job.

4 - 5 thousands a month online income is my goal in order to quit my job,
but that's not easy to achieve.

I wander if you who did it worked mostly as affiliates, or did you
create your own products already part time? Some business models
are harder to do when you have just 2 hours a day.
What did you do:
blogging, article marketing, affiliate marketing, PPC, SEOed websites,
adsense sites, your own ebooks, videos...? What worked best for
you while working part time?

How much of your daily task did you outsource?

I fully agree with 'davebo':

3) You setup a businesss that runs passively-If you can only work 2 hours a night, you are forced to setup a business that doesn't need you to be involved day/day. That way, when you do leave your job, you are already in the habit of outsourcing tasks you shouldnt' be doing.

But it's not possible to outsource everything. I am outsourcing article
writing, social bookmarking, graphics. What did you outsource and
what did you do yourself?

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livingdreams

17 years ago

Hi Alminc,

I like your ATTITUDE!!! $40,000 - $50,000 every single month (or more) every single month

How long have you been marketing towards your goal? if you are using a Lead Traffic Generating System and have a CASH FLOW progam as your primary business can be making $250,000 in your first year!

Let me show you what I do; 2 hours a day to earn a 5 figure a month income.

This is for REAL, Alminc. You will be using what the top earners are uses to earn a 6 and 7 figure income. Check it out, I GUARANTEE you will not be disappointed. Most network marketers (97%) FAIL in this industry.

Copy me... and you will be in the top 3% with the BIG DOGS!TargetTrafficMarketing.com WORKS! No HYPE or BS. We don not preach that, just the honest truth and lots of FREE value for your business to go to the next level.

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Originally Posted by Alminc

Thank you guys for your responses. It's good to get some advice from
people that already have built an online business while still having
a full time offline job.

40 - 50 thousands a month online income is my goal in order to quit my job,
but that's not easy to achieve.

I wander if you who did it worked mostly as affiliates, or did you
create your own products already part time? Some business models
are harder to do when you have just 2 hours a day.
What did you do:
blogging, article marketing, affiliate marketing, PPC, SEOed websites,
adsense sites, your own ebooks, videos...? What worked best for
you while working part time?

How much of your daily task did you outsource?

I fully agree with 'davebo':

But it's not possible to outsource everything. I am outsourcing article
writing, social bookmarking, graphics. What did you outsource and
what did you do yourself?

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Alminc 17 years ago

Hahahahaha...well, livingdreams, I meant ' 4-5 thousands a month',
I typed '40-50 thousands' by mistake .

Congratulations on your 5 figure monthly earnings!
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Sean A McAlister

17 years ago

Originally Posted by livingdreams

Hi Alminc,

I like your ATTITUDE!!! $40,000 - $50,000 every single month (or more) every single month

How long have you been marketing towards your goal? if you are using a Lead Traffic Generating System and have a CASH FLOW progam as your primary business can be making $250,000 in your first year!

Let me show you what I do; 2 hours a day to earn a 5 figure a month income.

This is for REAL, Alminc. You will be using what the top earners are uses to earn a 6 and 7 figure income. Check it out, I GUARANTEE you will not be disappointed. Most network marketers (97%) FAIL in this industry.

Copy me... and you will be in the top 3% with the BIG DOGS!TargetTrafficMarketing.com WORKS! No HYPE or BS. We don not preach that, just the honest truth and lots of FREE value for your business to go to the next level.

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Robert

This is a great illustration of what I am talking about and WHAT NOT TO DO, who are you and how can I trust that you will not waste my time like every other person who makes the same claim. your first post in a form you know nothing about. With all due respect.

It would be one thing if I have seen you around....heard about your product from other people...but I dont.

so...what makes you different from 97% of all the other Internet Marketers out there?

The top 3% hang out here...new guys included...who are learning!

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Kyle Tully

17 years ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're not working part-time then you're doing it all wrong!

I reckon if you actually looked at the average "full time" IMers day, and broke it down into productive and non-productive tasks, you'd see 95% (or more) are only "working" part-time anyway.

So why not embrace it and decide to only work 5 hours a day?

Parkinson's law says work expands to fill the time allocated to it. If you choose to work 12 hours, you'll magically find 12 hours worth of "work" to do. The flip side is that work must also contract in a similar fashion. If you choose to work 5 hours you'll make sure you get all your real work done in 5 hours.

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Alminc

17 years ago

Kyle,

When you have a full time job, you come home at 17:30 already tired.
You need to rest at least 1 hour so you can start working online 19:00.
After 2 - 2,5 hours you have to go to bed because you must get up early
and go to your job tomorrow.

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Kyle Tully

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Kyle,

When you have a full time job, you come home at 17:30 already tired.
You need to rest at least 1 hour so you can start working online 19:00.
After 2 - 2,5 hours you have to go to bed because you must get up early
and go to your job tomorrow.

I was making a general statement about the IM lifestyle. 5 hours was just an example, you do what you can

But I'd argue that you can find more than 2 hours a day -- at least for short bursts of time.

I used to get up at 4am, do IM for 2 hours before going to the gym for an hour, leave for work at 7am and get home at 7pm, eat dinner and then work till about 10pm.

Hard to maintain that kind of a schedule long-term, but for 6-8 weeks at a time I was getting a good solid 4 hours of work done each day. Doesn't take long to break free of your job when you put that kind of effort in.

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Sean A McAlister

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Kyle Tully

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're not working part-time then you're doing it all wrong!

I reckon if you actually looked at the average "full time" IMers day, and broke it down into productive and non-productive tasks, you'd see 95% (or more) are only "working" part-time anyway.

So why not embrace it and decide to only work 5 hours a day?

Parkinson's law says work expands to fill the time allocated to it. If you choose to work 12 hours, you'll magically find 12 hours worth of "work" to do. The flip side is that work must also contract in a similar fashion. If you choose to work 5 hours you'll make sure you get all your real work done in 5 hours.

Kyle....here in lies a healthy debate....

When you refer to the "average" IMer's day are you indicating that a Full Time IMer only works 5% of the time?

Because I would have to disagree....You see, This business is 95% Networking. And to answer the OP's question....

If you only have 2-3 hours a day to build your IM Business, The best thing that you can do...is Take 95% of that time, for 3 months and Network...

And I don't mean playing on Twitter all day. although those forms of social sites are a definite piece to the puzzle

It is what you and We all are doing right now. We are networking. AND....if you think this is anything else...you are wrong. This wonderful group of people is a Living Growing Network of endless possibilities...and there are select others at the same level in various genres.

If you are a Full Time IMer, then you are a networker. Discussions dominate most of the marketing mix .

Even if you are simply promoting and affiliate product, or writing an article you still need to have a conversation with the person you are sending the email too...They always say...send an Autoresponse email as if you are sending it to your best friend.

Success can be and is exponential due world wide reach.

The are tons of relationships that are built...through this forum that come through the PM Door when you least expect it. And if you ARE NOT "wasting" 95% of your time networking then your business will suffer.

The only way to become known is to interact. Interaction is the way to the money.

Sean

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Kyle Tully

17 years ago

Originally Posted by The IM Reporter

Kyle....here in lies a healthy debate....

When you refer to the "average" IMer's day are you indicating that a Full Time IMer only works 5% of the time?

Because I would have to disagree....You see, This business is 95% Networking. And to answer the OP's question....

If you only have 2-3 hours a day to build your IM Business, The best thing that you can do...is Take 95% of that time, for 3 months and Network...

And I don't mean playing on Twitter all day. although those forms of social sites are a definite piece to the puzzle

You know what that is.....it is what you and We all are doing right now. We are networking. AND....if you think this is anything else...you are wrong. This extrodinarily wonderful group of people is a Living Growing Network of endless possibilties.

If you are a Full Time IMer, then you are a networker and talking in forums all day means that you can be exponentially more successful because of the world wide reach.

The are tons of relationships that are built...through this forum that come through the PM Door when you least expect it. And if you ARE NOT "wasting" 95% of your time networking then your business will suffer.

The only way to become know is to interact. Interaction is the way to the money.

Sean

That's true to an extent. But interaction in and of itself is worthless.

At the end of the day IM basically comes down to traffic and conversion.

You need something to sell and you need people to see your offer. Whether it's your own product or an affiliate product, whether it's PPC, SEO of JV traffic... it doesn't really matter... but it's all traffic and conversion.

Networking is fine, but if it's not leading to traffic or conversion then it's pointless.

I'd say most newbies on here "networking" aren't leading to either of those outcomes, so it is a waste of time. The fact that most people on here don't make any significant money online is testament to that.

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Sean A McAlister

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Kyle Tully

That's true to an extent. But interaction in and of itself is worthless.

I'd say most newbies on here "networking" aren't leading to either of those outcomes, so it is a waste of time. The fact that most people on here don't make any significant money online is testament to that.

Perhaps they are listening to the wrong advice.

A newbie is a newbie by its very meaning...it is assumed that the "Newbie" is not making money. But the way to start making money is why they are here.

Useless information, and a broad based presentation of results with no substantiated data to back it up.....is not the correct thing the person who is trying to improve themselves should be hearing.

Let me ask you a question,

What's at the "Core" of generating Traffic?

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Kyle Tully

17 years ago

Originally Posted by The IM Reporter

A newbie is a newbie by its very meaning...it is assumed that the "Newbie" is not making money. But the way to start making money is why they are here.

I didn't say most newbies aren't making money -- I said most people aren't making money.

e.g. I just got an email from a guy, been a member here for years and still isn't making any significant money online.

Why not? He doesn't have anything to sell! He's not in the market. But he does have lots of "friends" and has done lots of "networking". In fact, many people would recognize the name and assume he was making money based on his contacts and "profile" on the forum.

Originally Posted by The IM Reporter

Let me ask you a question,

What is at the 'Core" of generating Traffic?

Yes yes JV's, "networking"... I'm not discounting that at all.

All I'm saying is it needs to be leading somewhere -- and for most people this doesn't seem to be the case. Doesn't matter if you're best mates with Mike Filsaime unless you have an offer he can send his traffic to.

What does a typical IMers day look like?

Wake up, check email, check forum, buy latest product, make a half assed attempt at implementing it, check email, check forum, buy another product.

Maybe one day they finally create a product. But rather than spend their time testing conversions, monetizing their network, driving traffic etc, they continue to check email, check forums, buy latest product.

My point was if people focused more on creating products and driving traffic, rather than email, forums, and buying stuff, they'd make a lot more money in a lot less "work" time.

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1stn4most 17 years ago

you are correct- I am a newbie and I find myself getting lost in email and forums- fortunately I have stopped buying things-but the distractions are infinite. Finding a daily routine is difficult-but maybe there is no typical day and maybe that's the fun of IM.
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- Kyle Tully 17 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by 1stn4most
  
  Finding a daily routine is difficult-but maybe there is no typical day and maybe that's the fun of IM.
  
  Actually I think this is one of the pitfalls on IM.
  
  Thinking there is "no typical day" and just taking things as they come.
  
  People want to move as far away from their job "lifestyle" as possible, and that often means moving away from structure and routine -- which I think is a mistake.
  
  A solid routine -- especially first thing in the morning -- can make you SO much more productive.
  
  I promise if you dedicate just 1 hour each morning to either creating a product or driving traffic to a product/offer you WILL be successful. Once your hour is up you can check email and get on the forums and network -- but get some productive work in before anything else.
  
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Sean A McAlister

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Kyle Tully

I didn't say most newbies aren't making money -- I said most people aren't making money.

e.g. I just got an email from a guy, been a member here for years and still isn't making any significant money online.

Why not? He doesn't have anything to sell! He's not in the market. But he does have lots of "friends" and has done lots of "networking". In fact, many people would recognize the name and assume he was making money based on his contacts and "profile" on the forum.

Ok...so he doesn't have a product. Well his network of people can help him find one. And, once he gets moving along, he can perhaps write a few sentences in a .doc file...save it for later (building a product) and then let all "His Friends" know about his excitement.....that he finally accomplished his goal. And I would bet that because he was a good dude and met a lot of good people he would make some sales.

Yes yes JV's, "networking"... I'm not discounting that at all.

So you think JV's are the way....

Let me ask you a question...
What is at the "Core" of obtaining a JV?

All I'm saying is it needs to be leading somewhere -- and for most people this doesn't seem to be the case. Doesn't matter if you're best mates with Mike Filsaime unless you have an offer he can send his traffic to.

You don't have to rub shoulders with Mike Filsaime. That is like thinking you walk right up to any CEO and say "Hey IM Sean....."

But what you do have access to ...are a lot of equally successful people who ARE making realistic money...working their way up in which you can work with.

What does a typical IMers day look like?

Wake up, check email, check forum, buy latest product, make a half assed attempt at implementing it, check email, check forum, buy another product.

Maybe one day they finally create a product. But rather than spend their time testing conversions, monetizing their network, driving traffic etc, they continue to check email, check forums, buy latest product.

My point was if people focused more on creating products and driving traffic, rather than email, forums, and buying stuff, they'd make a lot more money in a lot less "work" time.

You had said it came down to Driving Traffic and Conversions....
Find an Existing Product with an already proven converting page and market it...but this is hard too...because everyone else is doing it.

If you have 2-3 hours per day and tired, you should not be wasting your time buying stuff. Ask good questions like this...you will get all the useful information you need...provided we all work together and offer VIABLE solutions. And realize that this takes time...to do it right.

People that keep buying products that are "junk" in hopes of making money a shorter, quicker easier way...are wasting their money.

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Build relationships, take notes on a daily basis, give yourslf 6 months part time...Don't force it, ....Don't waste money...and ask the right questions.

At the end of 6 months you will have your own Report that you can Introduce to all your Friends at The Warrior Forum...or what ever niche market you chose.

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Ken Preuss

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Kyle Tully

I didn't say most newbies aren't making money -- I said most people aren't making money.

e.g. I just got an email from a guy, been a member here for years and still isn't making any significant money online.

Why not? He doesn't have anything to sell! He's not in the market. But he does have lots of "friends" and has done lots of "networking". In fact, many people would recognize the name and assume he was making money based on his contacts and "profile" on the forum.........

All I'm saying is it needs to be leading somewhere -- and for most people this doesn't seem to be the case. Doesn't matter if you're best mates with Mike Filsaime unless you have an offer he can send his traffic to.........

My point was if people focused more on creating products and driving traffic, rather than email, forums, and buying stuff, they'd make a lot more money in a lot less "work" time.

BINGO. Kyle you nailed it again. "Networking" is absolutely WORTHLESS if you're not:

1) creating products to sell
2) getting those products in front of eyeballs
3) converting those eyeballs to sales

In my experience most people replace this essential core activity with social activity.

Why? Well because it's safer and more enjoyable to be "social" than it is to put yourself out there to sell a product and potentially fall flat on your face.

The problem is that social activity does not fill your bank account.

Now....I will concede this. If the social activity is designed around working with others to implement the three things listed above (e.g. a JV with another marketer that is results-driven) then yes, "networking" is incredibly effective and certainly a way to take massive leaps.

But *only* on top of that 3-part foundation.

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Sean A McAlister

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken Preuss

BINGO. Kyle you nailed it again. "Networking" is absolutely WORTHLESS if you're not:

1) creating products to sell
2) getting those products in front of eyeballs
3) converting those eyeballs to sales

In my experience most people replace this essential core activity with social activity.

Why? Well because it's safer and more enjoyable to be "social" than it is to put yourself out there to sell a product and potentially fall flat on your face.

The problem is that social activity does not fill your bank account.

Now....I will concede this. If the social activity is designed around working with others to implement the three things listed above (e.g. a JV with another marketer that is results-driven) then yes, "networking" is incredibly effective and certainly a way to take massive leaps.

But *only* on top of that 3-part foundation.

Best regards,
Ken

Hey Ken,

I do not disagree with the above "3"....but before you can realize any of that you have to get people to talk to you and answer your questions.
How else would really ever know

-how to make the product
-get eyeballs on the product
-and covert the product.

Sure...if you have been in the business for a while you know this...but it all had to start with a 'Hello"...in one form or another.

I realize that there are products that help take the guess work out, but it comes down to the network to really provide the tools to get all the pieces of the puzzle together.

And if I only had a few hours per week, I would rather expedite the process of acheiving the above mentioned results through active Q&A....
Learn from others mistakes.....

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Sean A McAlister 17 years ago

I might add to the OP...keep asking targeted question. Offer some good input when you can. The effort will manifest itself.

You will meet new people, discover new things. Take what you get...small doses....digest it....and then implement tiny actions.

You have a your bread and butter now... and will slowly be cooking a feast. Patients and commitment my friend.
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Chri5123

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Is it possible to achieve a full time income working part time online ?

What I mean by 'part time' is following: You have a full time J.O.B. and
you only have 2-3 hours a day to work with your Internet Business.

What would be the best online business model for part time marketer?

What is the minimum income that can be considered as full time income
(in USA)?

How to compete with 'full timers', is it possible at all?

Almin

Hi Almin,

To answer your question:

YES!

How do I know?

This is how I started and before I became self employed I was going to work and making more money from IM in most weeks then I did from my job.

That is a wonderful feeling but does make it hard to concentrate at work!

Regarding the best online model I would suggest Bum Marketing although this is not for everyone as it does require a lot of work, but as I say this is how i started.

Get home from work force yourself to write 5 articles a day, keep an eye on where the sales are coming from, the best sellers research and create your own products.

Regarding the how much money you make before you start considering it a full time income, well I waited until my IM income was making way more than my job, if you are answering on a legal basis for the U.S I am not sure.

I hope this helps!

Go For It!

All the best

Chris

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James Schramko

17 years ago

This is a great discussion - excellent IM Reporter and Kyle.

Here are my ideas.

Yes - you can earn six figures a year part time. I did.

To the people who say they are tired and it is hard - I know what you mean but you have to TEAR UP YOUR EXCUSE LIST - there are no excuses.

"if it meant to be it is up to me"

For my last few months working I managed to squeeze in two US plane trips from Australia so I could rub shoulders with people like Mike Filsaime.

It can be done. Just do it.

Here are two proven Business models:

1) play both sides - Both affiliate marketing and Create your own product.

You simply make a complimentary product to go with an already selling popular product and give your product as a bonus for people buying the other product and SELL your product to people who already have it.

That is a six figure a year business.

Another six figure a year business is get three or four offline clients and sell them websites, hosting and traffic services. You can outsource everything.

Join a membership Kyles (Tycoon) and learn it.

There are no reasons why you can't do it unless you look for them. if you cannot earn a living part time you will have little chance full time. The pressure and the lack of time focus will not help you.

Many of the greatest achievements from great people were done in part time situations.

Here is one of the biggest things I did to slice through the confusion. Decide clearly what you want to do and work out the steps. Once you have done that decide not to engage in anything outside that.

You need to make a TO DO list and a NOT TO DO list. Stick to it. Get off the millions of email lists and lock yourself in a room until you come out with a 20 page report. Just do it. No excuses.

You can put up a one page sales letter and free report within a week. So what are you waiting for?

Now ask people what they want and make it for them....

Oh - and forget about BUM marketing - it is way too slow and ineffective.

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naruq 17 years ago

Yes. You can definitely earn full-time Income working only 5-10 Hours per week in Internet marketing. In addition, It can take you less time to achieve full-time income then a traditional business.
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- Alminc 17 years ago
  
  IM basically comes down to traffic and conversion
  
  Well, that's a simple truth. Whatever you do it must result in website visitors, qualified subscribers and eventually sales.
  
  Here are just some of the inevitable tasks to acomplish in order to get
  visitors, subscribers and sales:
  
  - market and keyword research, extracting profitable subjects/products
  - building websites and optimizing them
  - building blogs and optimizing them
  - a series of link building tasks ( social bookmarking, article marketing, forum marketing,...)
  - a series of website promotion tasks (writing/submitting press releases, creating/posting videos,...)
  - content creation (writing articles, blog posts )
  - list building tasks (writing AR emails, setting up AR sequences)
  - creating free reports
  If you are selling your own products:
  - creating ebooks/videos/audios
  - writing sales letters
  - setting up sales pages and secure delivery system
  - setting up affiliate program
  - creating promotional material for affiliates
  .
  .
  ..... and so on. The TO DO LIST is long and you can't skip
  anything.
  
  Now, to me it seems that OUTSOURCING is the only way to
  successfully run this complete chain of business tasks.
  One person simply cannot acomplish all these tasks
  working only 2-3 hours a day, maintaining the flow and
  the quality at same time.
  
  I have been online for a few years now and I DO make money,
  but working all alone I cannot make more than $1000-$1500
  a month. I know I need to outsource some tasks and I did it,
  but I had very bad experiences with freelancers.
  Finding affordable and reliable writers, editor, posters... and
  establishing a long term business relationship with them
  is crucial but it's not easy at all.
  
  I wander how you are finding your workers (besides DP forums and
  freelance sites, I know them all) and how much you are
  paying them? Are you hiring them full time or per project ?
  
  Some useful outsourcing advices/tips would't hurt, so shoot .
  
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Chris Lockwood

17 years ago

You spend 95% of your time networking? I guess that would make sense if you're doing MLM, but otherwise, when do you get any real work done?

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Sean A McAlister 17 years ago

good point Chris,

although I would consider mlm more like Multi-Level-Marketing rather than network marketing....but

unless someone has an open check book to pay for traffic I think it is harder to drive traffic to your site. That is the whole reason for Article marketing, linking etc. A good portion of linking is communicating on "do follow" blogs and sites, as well as forums.

Social "Networking" in and of itself explains the core of Internet Marketing.

You cannot say that it is not about "Networking"

And as easy as it is to find another product that is already made, one of the quickest ways to make sales is to get the word out. ....

Hubpages...Objective- get people to interact/get noticed/ why-drive traffic

Squidoo.....Objective- get people to interact/get noticed/drive traffic

Youtube...
etc...

So 95% of the time, after you have got the product you are networking to sell the product....And if you use Cpa Networks/ Affiliate Product for a quick start you can do that 2 hours which is 5% of a 40 hour work week.

Further more, CPA Networks...which are easy to set up on a blog will pay...with traffic. Networking drives traffic.

Again, unless someone has an open check book...then go straight for the PPC and start driving "paid for traffic" and sell away but I think that it was identified earlier that not everyone is making money yet with IM.
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Alminc

17 years ago

Let's all agree about this:

A strong marketer will never do a JV with a weak marketer unless they are
very close relatives.

JV between two weak marketers most often benefits none of them.

'Networking' is meaningful only if you are already strong enough (have a line of your own products, have a list of respectable size, have several profitable, high traffic sites,...) so that you can attract other equally
strong marketers and build strategic business aliances. Just 'making friends' on forums and social sites IS waist of precious time as long as
you are still making just a couple of dollars here and there. ESPECIALLY
if you have only 2-3 hours a day to acomplish your 'production tasks'.

So let's talk about the actual WORK and please post some tips on outsourcing.

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Sean A McAlister

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Let's all agree about this:

A strong marketer will never do a JV with a weak marketer unless they are
very close relatives.

JV between two weak marketers most often benefits none of them.

'Networking' is meaningful only if you are already strong enough (have a line of your own products, have a list of respectable size, have several profitable, high traffic sites,...) so that you can attract other equally
strong marketers and build strategic business aliances. Just 'making friends' on forums and social sites IS waist of precious time as long as
you are still making just a couple of dollars here and there. ESPECIALLY
if you have only 2-3 hours a day to acomplish your 'production tasks'.

great summary

and, your right, you have got to be efficient. As mentioned earlier, ask the right questions, and provide good insight when you can. The friendships develop on their own. Busy work is different that productive work.

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James Schramko

17 years ago

Alminc,

re:

"Now, to me it seems that OUTSOURCING is the only way to
successfully run this complete chain of business tasks.
One person simply cannot accomplish all these tasks
working only 2-3 hours a day, maintaining the flow and
the quality at same time."

I disagree with this. You can do all of these things and many people do get through the list.

If you have a small budget I have listed below some options for you:

Your list:

Here are just some of the inevitable tasks to acomplish in order to get
visitors, subscribers and sales:

- market and keyword research, extracting profitable subjects/products

This forum is full of ideas for PROBLEMS TO SOLVE but they look like - TRAFFIC, SEO, PPC, PRODUCT CREATION, Time EFFECTIVENESS etc.... This is a 5 minute job -

Answer: Sell SOLUTIONS people are already buying

- building websites and optimizing them

Answer: You can pay a small fee ($25 - $85?) for a wordpress blog to be built for you or you can take matters into your own hands and build your own sites with software like xsitepro. This should take 1 day.

- building blogs and optimizing them

Answer: Optimizing a blog should take a few hours the first time and after that a few minutes.

- a series of link building tasks ( social bookmarking, article marketing, forum marketing,...)

Answer: Outsource bookmark account creation. $75 and no time. Semi automate bookmarking with software or use Social bookmarking services poster and community websites submitter: digg.com reddit.com netscape.com propeller.com Del.icio.us Stumbleupon.com etc.. Allow 20 minutes per post.

Keep your forum time to one hour per day only if it is market relevant.

Outsource your article writing completely $5- 12 per article. Get ten seed articles and re-write them. Allow an hour to make them different. Automate submission via Article Marketing Automation or Submit your article ($ 50 p/m). If you cant afford that yet just submit to EZA, Goarticles and Squidoo. Allow 30 minutes per article for all three.

- a series of website promotion tasks (writing/submitting press releases, creating/posting videos,...)

Answer: Just make some screen capture videos or Animoto videos and distribute via TubeMogul.com - Online Video Distribution and Analytics - Allow 1 hour each video.

- content creation (writing articles, blog posts )

Answer: Outsource articles and blog posting or pre-date posts.

- list building tasks (writing AR emails, setting up AR sequences)

Answer: Allow a few hours per site. Buy PLR a/responders save time. Join a competitor and re-write the sequence to make it 100% unique.

- creating free reports

Answer: Pay someone $100 or write it yourself. If you are not a writer - talk into your computer and then send it off for a transcription. Interview an expert. Allow half a day fr a report.

If you are selling your own products:
- creating ebooks/videos/audios
- writing sales letters
- setting up sales pages and secure delivery system
- setting up affiliate program
- creating promotional material for affiliates

Answer: Allow a few days to make an ebook by adding pictures and words to a document then making it a PDF. For videos you can do screen recordings or powerpoint or face to camera. Allow a day to product this, edit and load to server.

The sales letter can be simple to start with and grow later. Just list it in main chunks. Who is it for , why, results , proof, testimonials, guarantee, what to do now, P.S - allow a few hours.

Outsource your affiliate program to clickbank. Allow 40 minutes to setup.

Outsource graphics for affiliates to designer - allow $100.

If you do everything yourself you will have a product up and running in a week or at the latest a month.

Creating products is a great way to get moving forward. Successful people do the things others won't.

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17 years ago

It is very possible to achieve full-time income with a part-time business, but you will have to be patient. The more time you are able to devote to your online business, the faster you will get where you want to be. I know that sounds obvious, but to expect to be earning full-time money for part-time work in 3 months is expecting way too much.

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Debbie Songster

17 years ago

you are correct- I am a newbie and I find myself getting lost in email and forums- fortunately I have stopped buying things-but the distractions are infinite. Finding a daily routine is difficult-but maybe there is no typical day and maybe that's the fun of IM.

I see a lot of this when I help people.
You can listen to, watch and read all the material you want - on forums or through purchased products.

If you don't have a clear goal, a business model to work with and a detailed plan - you may as well stay in bed.

A "Daily Routine" is made up of implementing your business plan - pure and simple. Anything other than that is a waste of time.

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Alminc

17 years ago

James,

Thank you very much for your long and detailed answer.

You make it so clear that there is no excuse for not making it.
I really like your and Kyle's attitude: 'Set up clear goals and then
make it one way or the other but it must be done!'

I am going to create weekly TO DO list for each day of the weak
and then divide daily tasks into ' My Tasks' and ' Outsourced Tasks'.

Then I will do 'My Tasks' 2 hours a day and manage the outsourced tasks
1 hour every other day.

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James Schramko

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

James,

Thank you very much for your long and detailed answer.

You make it so clear that there is no excuse for not making it.
I really like your and Kyle's attitude: 'Set up clear goals and then
make it one way or the other but it must be done!'

I am going to create weekly TO DO list for each day of the weak
and then divide daily tasks into ' My Tasks' and ' Outsourced Tasks'.

Then I will do 'My Tasks' 2 hours a day and manage the outsourced tasks
1 hour every other day.

It could be the Sydney Water?

That sounds like real progress AlminC.

You could update this thread every few days to keep yourself motivated and let others see this really is possible.

I am happy to keep encouraging you if you need extra help on any aspect of the roll-out.

Regards

James

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