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I hate Amazon-Adsense is much better!

by joshgreen
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OK I know this will make some of you angry especially amazon affiliates,but the truth is I dont care.This is just for all those newbies out there who are starting out with amazon.Beware amazon will never help you reach your goals.Yeah thats true.Whats the point of writing a review,getting lots of clicks and no sales?I have over 67 websites all ranking on the first page with 80% of them on the first three spots on google.Results:very poor sales.Now dont say that I cant write a review.My reviews are quite well written.Getting over 400-500 clicks/day and no sales is quite frustrating.I even tested it out using hubpages and I couldnt even make a single sale there.This proves that Amazon is a waste of time.For me the best way to monetize is by using adsense(I make around $70 each day).So my advice to newbies:Try adsense,forget amazon.
Then I would advise you to go for clickbank.

For newbies:If you want to try amazon,I dont mind go on!Maybe after 6 months you will be sorry for not listening to my advice.

The best money makers for me:Adsense and Clickbank
Can amazon make you lots of money?:NO WAY!IT NEVER WILL!
#amazonadsense #hate
  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    LOL i love these kinds of posts. Amazon didn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.

    PS adsense sucks :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author joshgreen
      Originally Posted by stevecl View Post

      LOL i love these kinds of posts. Amazon didn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.

      PS adsense sucks :-)
      I haven't heard of anyone who makes loads of money with Amazon
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  • Profile picture of the author caseycase
    Hey Josh,

    I actually make money using both. I guess it just depends on your approach!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Listen up, you tested something and it didn't work for you.

    Fine, don't do it. Do something that works for you.

    But here's the thing, don't mess up all the newbies that have been
    working hard for months building their amazon sites.

    I made about $900 last month using Amazon Associates program.

    Care to explain how I did so if amazon didn't work.
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    • Profile picture of the author joshgreen
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Listen up, you tested something and it didn't work for you.

      Fine, don't do it. Do something that works for you.

      But here's the thing, don't mess up all the newbies that have been
      working hard for months building their amazon sites.

      I made about $900 last month using Amazon Associates program.

      Care to explain how I did so if amazon didn't work.
      $900!!!
      I know thats good!BUt I make more with Adsense over $2000.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by joshgreen View Post

        $900!!!
        I know thats good!BUt I make more with Adsense over $2000.
        Amazon is not my main source of income. Clickbank is

        I crossed the 6k mark on clickbank last month

        I think you haven't come across me on the forum before.
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        • Profile picture of the author joshgreen
          Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

          Amazon is not my main source of income. Clickbank is

          I crossed the 6k mark on clickbank last month

          I think you haven't come across me on the forum before.
          Ok thats nice,but I have a question.If you make so much with clickbank then why do you bother with amazon?Clickbank is good so why dont you just concentrate on clickbank?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
            Originally Posted by joshgreen View Post

            Ok thats nice,but I have a question.If you make so much with clickbank then why do you bother with amazon?Clickbank is good so why dont you just concentrate on clickbank?
            Umm, it's called multiple sources of income????? Duh

            And I work with amazon because it is so fricking easy to make sales with and the conversion rates are through the roof.

            Any other questions?
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            • Profile picture of the author joshgreen
              Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

              Umm, it's called multiple sources of income????? Duh

              And I work with amazon because it is so fricking easy to make sales with and the conversion rates are through the roof.

              Any other questions?
              Ok Mohammad,maybe I need some advice from you.

              Are you using your own website?
              Do you promote expensive items?
              Do you rely on the search engines or any other sources?
              Do you make micro niche sites or huge ones?
              Are you ranking on the first page for your search terms?
              Do you rank for product names or generic long tail keywords?
              Whats is your monthly search volume(Per website)?
              Do you experience something like this: over 500 clicks but no sales?

              Thanks in advance.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
                Originally Posted by joshgreen View Post

                Ok Mohammad,maybe I need some advice from you.

                Are you using your own website?
                Do you promote expensive items?
                Do you rely on the search engines or any other sources?
                Do you make micro niche sites or huge ones?
                Are you ranking on the first page for your search terms?
                Do you rank for product names or generic long tail keywords?
                Whats is your monthly search volume(Per website)?
                Do you experience something like this: over 500 clicks but no sales?

                Thanks in advance.
                I admit that I am no expert on amazon but I sure can answer you questions

                Are you using your own website?
                Yes, i create review type amazon sites.

                Do you promote expensive items?
                I promote products in $300-800+ range

                Do you rely on the search engines or any other sources?
                My main source of traffic is Google but I also generate traffic from Ezine Articles, Web 2.0 properties, social bookmarking, guest blogging, video marketing etc.

                Do you make micro niche sites or huge ones?
                I do both, As of right now I have 7 amazon sites and 5 of them are micro niche sites while 2 are huge markets.

                Are you ranking on the first page for your search terms?
                Yes, I rank for many of my search terms but google provides around 60% of my site traffic.

                Do you rank for product names or generic long tail keywords?
                I try and rank for both. Most of the times I try and rank for [product name] review, [product name] discount, [product name] for sale etc. I rank for long tail keywords if they show high commercial intent.

                Whats is your monthly search volume(Per website)?
                You mean the keyword searches???

                According to google keyword tool, the keyword I rank for are receiving about 24,000 searches a month and 24,000 / 7 = 3428 searches per website but I think that number is hugely inflated by the google keyword tool because I get around 1000 visits to each of my websites (from google). I do however generate about 800-900 visitors using other traffic methods.

                Do you experience something like this: over 500 clicks but no sales?
                Yes it happens sometimes on my digital camera review website and I think it's because of all the competition. People visit my site and look at the price (around 1k or more) and hit the back button to research even more. They spend some time researching and then end up buying from someone else's site.

                I don't know for sure what happens here but this the best I can think.

                EDIT: I really recommend that you go have a look at this thread by Daniel Brock right here:

                http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...print-you.html

                It's pure gold if you want to make amazon work for you.
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                • Profile picture of the author joshgreen
                  Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

                  Damnit, I accidently closed my browser after typing answer to all those questions. I'll get started again. wait just a minute.
                  No worries.Take your time
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                • Profile picture of the author mattjay
                  Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

                  I admit that I am no expert on amazon but I sure can answer you questions


                  Yes, i create review type amazon sites.


                  I promote products in $300-800+ range


                  My main source of traffic is Google but I also generate traffic from Ezine Articles, Web 2.0 properties, social bookmarking, guest blogging, video marketing etc.


                  I do both, As of right now I have 7 amazon sites and 5 of them are micro niche sites while 2 are huge markets.


                  Yes, I rank for many of my search terms but google provides around 60% of my site traffic.


                  I try and rank for both. Most of the times I try and rank for [product name] review, [product name] discount, [product name] for sale etc. I rank for long tail keywords if they show high commercial intent.


                  You mean the keyword searches???

                  According to google keyword tool, the keyword I rank for are receiving about 24,000 searches a month and 24,000 / 7 = 3428 searches per website but I think that number is hugely inflated by the google keyword tool because I get around 1000 visits to each of my websites (from google). I do however generate about 800-900 visitors using other traffic methods.


                  Yes it happens sometimes on my digital camera review website and I think it's because of all the competition. People visit my site and look at the price (around 1k or more) and hit the back button to research even more. They spend some time researching and then end up buying from someone else's site.

                  I don't know for sure what happens here but this the best I can think.

                  EDIT: I really recommend that you go have a look at this thread by Daniel Brock right here:

                  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...print-you.html

                  It's pure gold if you want to make amazon work for you.
                  i am starting to make a litte money with amazon and adsnese. this post was very helpful to me. Thanks for sharing this with us
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            • Profile picture of the author dika
              Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

              Umm, it's called multiple sources of income????? Duh

              And I work with amazon because it is so fricking easy to make sales with and the conversion rates are through the roof.

              Any other questions?
              Definitely agree with the concept of multiple sources of income.

              let me ask you a question too: Do any of these well known sources includes an exclusivity clause that doesn't permit to use it with other sources in the same page. I'm mostly interested in a combination of adsense, amazon, and CJ or avangate in the same site.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
                Originally Posted by dika View Post

                Definitely agree with the concept of multiple sources of income.

                let me ask you a question too: Do any of these well known sources includes an exclusivity clause that doesn't permit to use it with other sources in the same page. I'm mostly interested in a combination of adsense, amazon, and CJ or avangate in the same site.
                Not any that I am aware of and even if they do it really doesn't affect me because I don't promote clickbank products on a website but I do it via email marketing (my main focus is list building).
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                • Profile picture of the author traceye
                  Look here's the thing. You can make really good money with Amazon. You can make really good money with Adsense. But they don't use the same formula.

                  Most sites that rake it in with Adsense, are information based sites. You provide lots of articles and info about your 'niche', position your ads correctly and voila the money rolls in.

                  Amazon is a different game. You need product tightly focused, review sites to make good money with them. Think about what people wanting to know before they get out their credit card: how much it is, how it works, what other people are saying about it etc.

                  It's a different ball game.

                  I personally find it much easier to make money with Amazon than I do with any other affiliate programs. And I'm sure other warriors find it easier to make it with Clickbank products. It's all about the right formula. Crack that, and you'll be laughing.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Here is what I love about the net.

    Generally, if you write a low key post, factual article based on personal experience, it won't get read much, and probably won't get many comments.

    If you write a post with attitude, you'll tend to get a lot more comments, which often leads to more readers. And you'll get people who have other experience contrary to yours contribute too.

    Here is a funny example: I wrote an article about "men and women". Part of the article was about women having to make men wrong. It's just part of our culture right now. You can see it all through sit coms, and see it all over the grocery stores where couples shop for example. Of course, I get women sending me emails mostly and a few comments about how WRONG I am about this. The men, they giggle and say thanks.

    If I wrote a lamo article about how men and women are different, then who cares. Hopefully this kind of thread leads to sharing more of what's working for each of us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caiden
    Fact is we all experience different levels of success with different business models. I myself have never done great with Amazon but I know many do! Each to their own.
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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Guys,

    Josh + Amazon == a big no no.

    Just look at his past threads:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...s-stories.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ease-help.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...n-results.html

    ...and now this one.

    How's it going Josh?
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    • Profile picture of the author joshgreen
      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      Guys,

      Josh + Amazon == a big no no.

      Just look at his past threads:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...s-stories.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ease-help.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...n-results.html

      ...and now this one.

      How's it going Josh?
      I am sorry if I am hurting anyone but the thing is I get quite frustrated if I dont get paid for my hard labour.I mean seriously what would you guys do if you were in such a position?

      Ok Adsense works for me and so does clickbank but why not Amazon?I mean whats wrong with amazon?Why no sales?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ofthemix
        Originally Posted by joshgreen View Post

        I am sorry if I am hurting anyone but the thing is I get quite frustrated if I dont get paid for my hard labour.I mean seriously what would you guys do if you were in such a position?
        There are a lot of people in that position, and some haven't made any money at all. The key is to test and modify until you get it right. If someone is making $10K a month on Amazon and you're making $0 a month on Amazon, that clearly says that they're doing something you're not.

        I don't make a ton of money on Amazon, but I have worked it into a steady fairly passive income stream for myself. I also use Adsense on all of my Amazon review sites and make money from that too. It's a win/win situation.

        As mentioned before, it's a great idea to monitize in a bunch of different ways. Some products, whether listed on Amazon or not, are just better for Adsense income. One great example is office furniture. Your odds of making income from Adsense on a site about office furniture is a ton higher than your odds of making sales with Amazon.

        Moral of the story, success on Amazon is LARGELY due to the products you choose to promote. I have several sites built exactly the same way. Some get Amazon sales like the product is getting ready to disappear from the market forever. Other niches don't get a single sale despite getting just as many clicks.

        If you think that your reviews are brilliant, then it's probably the products that you're promoting that are keeping you from making money from Amazon. As a rule of thumb, I give a site a month's worth of promoting before I write it off as a dud for Amazon affiliate sales. IMO, one of the least productive things you can do is continue to waste time on a site that isn't making you any money.

        Yeah, a month is a ton of work for $0 return. But hey, that's something we all have to go through in this affiliate marketing game. It takes a while to build up a portfolio of great paying sites. And as disheartening as it is to know that you just wasted all of your free time and a month of your life working on a fruitless effort, you have to keep your eye on the prize. With every success you get under your belt that starts generating you practically passive income, you're one step closer to your dream of *insert your goal here*. If you give up, you'll never get there.
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        • Profile picture of the author ccd
          I'm a newbie (in spite of my WF join date) so I'm certainly not attempting to influence anyone one-way or the other. Just thought I'd add my brief experience to date for other newbies to consider, because I'm having somewhat different results from that of the original poster in this thread.

          I started just last month to make a serious effort marketing Amazon products. I've created several websites, all less than 5 weeks old. Some of the sites are review type sites, with in-depth product reviews (most reviews are over 1000 words). And on other sites, my copy is just flat-out trying to sell my visitor on the product to get the click through to Amazon.

          I'm taking a combination approach to see which method works best - review or blatant selling (so far 'sell' seems to be edging out 'review').

          With miniscule traffic to my young websites, so far this month I have about 150 click throughs to Amazon, with 19 sales.

          An impressive number? Certainly not.

          An encouraging number? It is to me. Enough to keep my nose to the grindstone!

          The early indication to me is that being an Amazon associate might be very profitable for me as I build traffic to my websites. Only time (and lots of work) will tell.

          Again, just offering my newbie experience to date, FWIW.
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          • Profile picture of the author robertphillips
            Originally Posted by ccd View Post

            I'm a newbie (in spite of my WF join date) so I'm certainly not attempting to influence anyone one-way or the other. Just thought I'd add my brief experience to date for other newbies to consider, because I'm having somewhat different results from that of the original poster in this thread.

            I started just last month to make a serious effort marketing Amazon products. I've created several websites, all less than 5 weeks old. Some of the sites are review type sites, with in-depth product reviews (most reviews are over 1000 words). And on other sites, my copy is just flat-out trying to sell my visitor on the product to get the click through to Amazon.

            I'm taking a combination approach to see which method works best - review or blatant selling (so far 'sell' seems to be edging out 'review').

            With miniscule traffic to my young websites, so far this month I have about 150 click throughs to Amazon, with 19 sales.

            An impressive number? Certainly not.

            An encouraging number? It is to me. Enough to keep my nose to the grindstone!

            The early indication to me is that being an Amazon associate might be very profitable for me as I build traffic to my websites. Only time (and lots of work) will tell.

            Again, just offering my newbie experience to date, FWIW.
            This is a good point Chris, I find just going for the kill so to say with amazon products works best for me too.

            Just write about the benefits of the product and why they should just buy it lol.

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      • Profile picture of the author RemingtonSteele
        Originally Posted by joshgreen View Post

        ...but the thing is I get quite frustrated if I dont get paid for my hard labour.
        In the business world, you don't get paid for your time and effort; you get paid for your results.
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  • Profile picture of the author harro1
    yeah, amazon payouts are way too less
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Adsense is actually a bit out dated. Other ad groups are paying more per click/view/purchase/action, etc. The lack of customer service has opened the door to competitors with better programs. If they are able to correct whatever is wrong, I am comfortable making less with adsense. If not, I am as comfortable changing the code on my sites and making more than adsense pays. (Besides, right now, they are paying zero to me... doesn't take much to beat that. Lol).

    Looking around the net, I see quite a few 'players' swapping out adsense code for other ad networks. I am willing to bet money is a main factor in that. Once upon a time, it was sort of 'expected' and an 'in' thing to have Adsense on your site. Apparently not anymore. With huge gains in net revenue and marketshare, Paypal stock goes down based on news of a possible Google partnership? Someone knows something, or has the whole world gone mad all of a sudden?

    Google is not 'the guys' anymore. They have turned into the 'man'. And an unforgiving, mean, stingy and callous one at that. Google 'ad networks', I think you will find better options quite easily. Use Bing if you are uncomfortable using Google to find their replacement. Lol.

    Besides, notice the results Google has returned lately? Sites gaming the system are on top. Sites I am looking for and have any content seem to always be on page 5,6 or 7. Lately I just skip right to page 5 if I am using Google. Bing, Yahoo, Dogpile and every other SE produces quality content results 1st. Google claims content is what will get you ranked, but why the do I see 4-5 sites that violate several of Google's no-nos on page one of every search? Because they have 10,000 manipulated back-links and 10,000 fake social bookmarks? Many now even have zero content! Must be some secret. Give them a year, two at the most. Between do as I say - not as I do, the worst customer service on the net, obvious incongruities and sidewiki, a whole lot of folk just do not use them anymore for anything. Internet marketers more and more get their traffic from other sources. The most successful marketers I know get less than 10% of their traffic from Google search, AdWords or the Content Network. Writing is on the wall. They had a good run, but a couple years more at best.

    (So how do you really feel, Mark?)

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  • Profile picture of the author commonjoe
    To date, I do not see how guys make money with Amazon. My site includes sales pump them, and the ear of the Commission. But I say I am very well read on AdSense. I can not say the same thing on Amazon.
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    Adsense and CPA providers (PeerFly, MaxBounty, CJ) are the best revenue generators for the right marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author robertphillips
    There no question you can make money using both methods. Each site needs to be a little different on how you approach your vistors those.

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  • Profile picture of the author Najat Engineer
    there is a formula for everything, you might didn't find the amazon formula but someone else might did! find what's working for you and keep doing it whether it was adsense or something else..

    for me I think amazon is great because people end up buying more stuff than what I actually send them to buy! and that's the power of amazon..

    good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Charleskidd
    Amazon is harder to make money then with clickabnk or adsense. The way to do it is have different traffic sources and many amazon sites. I do it that way, also social marketing but its a bit harder now a days. Right now I'm at $4oo a month with amazon but its because I need better rankings and more traffic. You have to be patient with sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author traceye
      Originally Posted by Charleskidd View Post

      Amazon is harder to make money then with clickabnk or adsense.
      Since when?

      Perhaps that's the case for you, but I have a very different experience. For me Amazon is far EASIER to make money from.
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Originally Posted by joshgreen View Post

    This proves that Amazon is a waste of time.For me
    You should have left the period out - "amazon is a waste of time for you".

    If your not making any sales - and your getting lots of traffic - maybe you need to take a look at your whole business model?

    My opinion - Amazon is the best affiliate program out there. They offer a wide selection of products, and a huge selection of banners and widgets. Its like having a warehouse of stuff at your disposal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    I know I'm late to the party.....I just had to add my 2 cents! Compared to Clickbank, Amazon is a walk in the park!

    As mentioned in an earlier post, as long as you setup your site so it is a "review" style site and minimize the distractions on your site so that the reader focuses on the reviews, you should do great!

    New products are always coming out so saturation is not even an issue....And I just love the 24-hour cookie! If they ever got rid of it....Well, then I'd really HATE Amazon! My unrelated sales are sooo much higher than the related ones!
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    • Profile picture of the author marketguy
      here is my take.

      it depends on your business model.

      i use adsense, simply because my sites will still be relevant in 10 years and i want to create a semi-passive income.

      with amazon, you will have to write review sites with every product you wanna promote and products people actually want change very frequently. that means, that your work is never done.

      in summary, if i build a site with information about say "classic guitars", that information will always be current.

      if, on the other hand, i build a review site for "apple i-pad", the information will be useless in say six months (if even that).

      i would imagine, that amazon has larger potential short term, but that is not what I want.

      to each his own.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cash37
        It all depends on what you are promoting and how well you write.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
        Originally Posted by marketguy View Post

        here is my take.

        it depends on your business model.

        i use adsense, simply because my sites will still be relevant in 10 years and i want to create a semi-passive income.

        with amazon, you will have to write review sites with every product you wanna promote and products people actually want change very frequently. that means, that your work is never done.

        in summary, if i build a site with information about say "classic guitars", that information will always be current.

        if, on the other hand, i build a review site for "apple i-pad", the information will be useless in say six months (if even that).

        i would imagine, that amazon has larger potential short term, but that is not what I want.

        to each his own.
        How about build a site for BBQ Grills, Lawnmowers etc. ?

        Would people still be looking for lawnmowers 10 years from now????

        Ipad niche is very competitive anyway

        You can pick seasonal niches markets or long term niche markets. Both exist and you are the one who chooses between both.

        EDIT: Also, what if you have a content site on ipad tips???

        Won't it get outdated after a couple of years (if ipad goes out of trend)

        Like I said, it's upto you.
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        • Profile picture of the author marketguy
          Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

          How about build a site for BBQ Grills, Lawnmowers etc. ?

          Would people still be looking for lawnmowers 10 years from now????

          Ipad niche is very competitive anyway

          You can pick seasonal niches markets or long term niche markets. Both exist and you are the one who chooses between both.

          EDIT: Also, what if you have a content site on ipad tips???

          Won't it get outdated after a couple of years (if ipad goes out of trend)

          Like I said, it's upto you.
          you make a very valid point. you could build sites with niche keywords, rather than micro niches, those sites would require considerable work to get ranking though. i could imagine, that once you do get to rank highly with a site like that, that the upside is tremendous.
          maybe once i have more experience under my belt with my micro niche sites, i'll tackle one of those.
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  • Profile picture of the author itzpaul
    Great information share guys. Thanks I think everything works if you make it work. People need to learn how to adapt to the situation and still excel and succeed regardless of the setbacks that you encounter.
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  • Profile picture of the author tprincejr
    My Amazon store has a adsense banner on it. If the banner is related to the products in the store. People will click it. The Adsense does as well as the store.
    I use both.
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  • Profile picture of the author musiclyons
    Hi Josh:
    Thanks for the info on Amazon. I have been trying to sell using Amazon also and have had only a few sales with a lot of traffic. Not doing much. What are you using for your adsense sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @Mohammed;

    Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq
    There are warriors making over 10k a month using amazon.

    Give me a minute and I will find them out for you.

    EDIT: Ok here we go:

    PaulaC is the 10k warrior I was talking about.

    ChrisGuthrie made $60,151.68 using amazon in the last 12 months.

    He talks about it here: Lessons Learned from earning $60,151.68 in past 12 months with Amazon Associates

    Daniel Brock is totally crushing it. Go see his income proof on this salesletter at Dan Brock's Profitzon - Amazon Affiliate Marketing Revealed


    The secret key this Gurus not talk about is; how they make that?

    -how they get traffic and ranking?
    -how they find good converting products?
    -what type of rewrite content they have,500 words,800 words,1000 words, far more for one product review???

    - they write self or doing outsourcing (they have money to do that outsourcing for writer and seo)
    -when amazon has for big ticket items very well large product information, these Gurus must write better content on their sites as amazon to make sales???

    - they doing listbuilding or only have a good theme to get high ctr to amazon???


    Daniel Brock has written a good simply tutorial about make money with amazon here,he wrote that he make product reviews about 300 words long on a 5 products page as an example (website with only 5 pages)???

    Does Dan Brocks method works great the same for cb products or is there an difference between make sales with cb products and make sales with amazon products?????

    These questions they are answered, thats their business secret.

    So when you don't know these things you will not make big bucks with amazon like these guys.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong there.


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      The secret key this Gurus not talk about is; how they make that?

      -how they get traffic and ranking?
      -how they find good converting products?
      -what type of rewrite content they have,500 words,800 words,1000 words, far more for one product review???

      - they write self or doing outsourcing (they have money to do that outsourcing for writer and seo)
      -when amazon has for big ticket items very well large product information, these Gurus must write better content on their sites as amazon to make sales???

      - they doing listbuilding or only have a good theme to get high ctr to amazon???


      Daniel Brock has written a good simply tutorial about make money with amazon here,he wrote that he make product reviews about 300 words long on a 5 products page as an example (website with only 5 pages)???

      Does Dan Brocks method works great the same for cb products or is there an difference between make sales with cb products and make sales with amazon products?????

      These questions they are answered, thats their business secret.

      So when you don't know these things you will not make big bucks with amazon like these guys.
      Please correct me if I'm wrong there.


      best wishes
      marco005
      Those sort of questions are answered in quality Amazon WSO's.

      -how they get traffic and ranking? Usually via SEO, which isn't rocket science. Write good content and back it up with LSI keywords and get backlinks from quality sources.

      -how they find good converting products? Look at the overall review rating from consumers. If it has at least 4 stars and over 20 reviews then it's likely to be good converting.

      -what type of rewrite content they have,500 words,800 words,1000 words, far more for one product review??? The length depends on what you are reviewing, but typically about 500 words is right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Josh, I know exactly what you mean. Amazon is frustrating. I gave them a go for a very short while so I can't say much beyond the fact that it didn't make any sales during that test period. Amazon's commission rates just put me off, but their brand can generate sales for those willing to spend time marketing it.I am sure if you have a site on widget A and promote Amazon's widget A products and you have good traffic, there is no reason why can't make sales.

    But I know how frustrating the tiny commission rates can be. I use to promote an affiliate product where a 4 to 6 sales a month use to generate $200 to $350 and now I have a product where I need 12 to 14 sales to do the same amount because of the lower commission rates. To do the same on Amazon, I would need to do 40 to 50 sales a month on products of similar value. I would only give Amazon a go if the traditional affiliate products don't work.

    Edit: did actually make a few sales through Amazon, but the commissions were so low I don't think I ever reached the payment threshold.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Both AdSense and Amazon suck. Other offers usually pay much better for the average Warrior.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
      Originally Posted by brettb View Post

      Both AdSense and Amazon suck. Other offers usually pay much better for the average Warrior.
      I have to agree with brettb. JVZoo and Clickbank pay 50+% Commission.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

        I have to agree with brettb. JVZoo and Clickbank pay 50+% Commission.
        When you take into account refund rates and conversion rates, are you JVZoo and CB as good though? Another thing is that with JVZoo/CB you don't get commision if someone buys something else through your link like with Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjshu99
    Ive made a few sales off my squidoo sites. Nothing worth mentioning. I found it to be a lot of work for small change. I hear guys mention they make thousands a month but is that sales or commissions? My experience is most people shopping online go straight to Amazon for the product and reviews. To earn $10000 a month you would need $125000 in sales at the 8% rate. Im not saying it cant be done by an individual.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by cjshu99 View Post

      Ive made a few sales off my squidoo sites. Nothing worth mentioning. I found it to be a lot of work for small change. I hear guys mention they make thousands a month but is that sales or commissions? My experience is most people shopping online go straight to Amazon for the product and reviews. To earn $10000 a month you would need $125000 in sales at the 8% rate. Im not saying it cant be done by an individual.
      What sort of priced products were you promoting?

      Those guys make that in commision. I don't think most are at the 10k level though as that would require a consistant $333/day.
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