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Re: Your Refund?

by Feeder
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Wow, just got this in my inbox today. Fortunately I have a "junk" inbox where I subscribe to lists like they're going out of style. This certainly fits, as it's complete junk. From the "Auto Traffic Avalanche" list:

RE: Your Refund?

- it's Mike.

I'm currently compiling a list of vendors with
whom you might have had difficulty in getting a
refund.

It would help me if you could give me any information
towards this.

I plan to send this out to all of my subscribers so
they know who to look out for in the future.

I basically want to differentiate the excellent
vendors with high quality products from the rubbish
that is out there.

Anyway, this guy is one person who I'd put in that
category.

==> (Crappy Product Link)


He's a genuine, real guy. I've met him.

He really knows his stuff - it's awesome.

And believe me, his new product will rock
the online world. But it is a little controversial...

Look here:

==> (Crappy Product Link)


Best,

Mike

P.S. The guy using this has been banking over $4,000
a day for 13 months with this. I'm being deadly serious.

==> (Crappy Product Link)
What a shady, shady, email. My intelligence was actually insulted. "Hey. I'm compiling a list of untrustworthy vendors and products. You know, so you can trust ME and all of my partners. Oh by the way, here's a link to an INCREDIBLE system which is banking over 4k a day. You can totally trust this guy since I said you can. Honest! Oh, and in about a month or two I'll be sending you a list of my competition...err...untrustworthy vendors / products."

It's unfortunate that many marketers are getting more and more desperate with their emails. I'm starting to see tactics like this a lot.
#refund
  • Profile picture of the author dougp
    Originally Posted by Feeder View Post

    Wow, just got this in my inbox today. Fortunately I have a "junk" inbox where I subscribe to lists like they're going out of style. This certainly fits, as it's complete junk. From the "Auto Traffic Avalanche" list:



    What a shady, shady, email. My intelligence was actually insulted. "Hey. I'm compiling a list of untrustworthy vendors and products. You know, so you can trust ME and all of my partners. Oh by the way, here's a link to an INCREDIBLE system which is banking over 4k a day. You can totally trust this guy since I said you can. Honest! Oh, and in about a month or two I'll be sending you a list of my competition...err...untrustworthy vendors / products."

    It's unfortunate that many marketers are getting more and more desperate with their emails. I'm starting to see tactics like this a lot.

    I think you're overreacting as I've seen worst email practices. With that being said, im not sure if he actually plans to compile a list of unethical vendors, or if he's just saying that. There are always two sides to every story, and it wouldn't be wise to listen to a person without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Doug,

      Normally, I'd agree with you. If someone actually sent that email, though, I don't see any way to view it other than as presented by the OP. That ranks way up there on the list of "Stupid Email Tricks."


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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    LOL.. That is actually some sick marketing though... I had one guy who was giving out a pic of himself (Which I guess he usually doesn't..) and then offering his friends affilaite product.


    You won't find pictures of me splashed across my websites. The truth
    is I'm a bit of an ugly mug and I get a bit embarrassed about that
    sort of thing - which is why I'm feeling slightly nervous typing
    this email...

    Hit the link below, scroll down to the bottom of the page and
    you'll see my picture.

    BUT what you'll also see is me giving [NAME] a
    glowing testimonial..
    Now, that's a good e-mail tactic, in my opinion..

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  • Profile picture of the author xInd
    I agree completely.
    What happened to just being honest, straight up, REAL?
    It's like you said -- we sign up to mailing lists like they are going out of style. Why?
    Are they? NO. They are just so often full of garbage that we need to sift through 15 mailings to find 5 different sentences or links worth paying attention to.

    If we all just started being ourselves a little more, offering what we actually have to contribute without any hype (or any "I'm not one to spread hype BUT") or BS, then we would reduce a lot of e-waste and save a lot of people's time...
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  • Profile picture of the author kbs
    Let's do some math on this one. $4000/day X 30 days X 13 months = 1.5M

    If I made 1.5M in a year, I sure as hell wouldn't bother passing on my success secrets to anyone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by kbs View Post

      Let's do some math on this one. $4000/day X 30 days X 13 months = 1.5M

      If I made 1.5M in a year, I sure as hell wouldn't bother passing on my success secrets to anyone else.
      Anyone know the name of the 13th month? I might actually be 5 or 6 years younger than I thought!
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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

        Anyone know the name of the 13th month? I might actually be 5 or 6 years younger than I thought!
        Nice one DG
        Phew! i can relax now i'm not turning 40 next year after all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

        Anyone know the name of the 13th month?
        What? You've never heard of Decembruary?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
          Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

          What? You've never heard of Decembruary?
          I <3 Decembruary! I can ALMOST pronounce it too!
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          • Profile picture of the author rich_henderson
            It's true email marketing does seem to be getting more extreme these days although a few veterans will prob tell us this has been going on 20 years ago in the offline marketing world.

            Having said that, unsubscribe is only one click away, well ok maybe 2, and if enough people unsobscribe maybe he/she will stop..... a big maybe

            I remember 6 years ago when I got started online, it was a good tactic to go subscribe to everything as you could learn some really cool marketing methods, it would appear now the only reason to subscribe is to learn some spammy "questionable" methods
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        • Profile picture of the author DogScout
          Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

          What? You've never heard of Decembruary?
          July was named after Julius Caesar, August for Augustus, so figured it was Tiberary, Caliguary (or Gaiusary) or Neruary:p
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  • Profile picture of the author Talltom1
    Well, give this cheesehead a little bit of credit. I spotted at least two words with multiple sylables. Words like 'differentiate', 'controversial', etc. so he at least made it through sixth grade....


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    • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
      Originally Posted by Talltom1 View Post

      Well, give this cheesehead a little bit of credit. I spotted at least two words with multiple sylables. Words like 'differentiate', 'controversial', etc. so he at least made it through sixth grade....


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  • Profile picture of the author Feeder
    Maybe I did overreact a bit. (I did wake up in a bad mood this morning, and this happened to be the first email I opened.)

    Just seems so shady. I'd never do this with any of the lists I run. Unfortunately I can almost guarantee that the email will convert like crazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by Feeder View Post

      Maybe I did overreact a bit. (I did wake up in a bad mood this morning, and this happened to be the first email I opened.)

      Just seems so shady. I'd never do this with any of the lists I run. Unfortunately I can almost guarantee that the email will convert like crazy.
      Normally I advocate a bit of calming when it comes to some of these email marketing tactics - but the subject line and the intro - I call BS.

      It just feels like BS.

      Granted, maybe he really is gathering a "list" - but if so, and he plans on publishing it, he will open himself up for liabilities.

      Because of that...I would say BS

      Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
    My personal favorite are the guys who pop in your inbox like this:

    "Subject: Notification of Payment Received

    "Body:
    Hey Firstname, we have an amazing system that will get you notifications like this every day.

    I personally know a guy who does this for a living and makes over 8k a second!

    And you don't need ANY knowledge, ANY experience or ANY mental capacity!

    Seriously! We taught a retarded chimp with diarrhea to use this autopilot cash system, and with 12 minutes he had made 50 grand!!!! Right before pooping his pants!!!!

    Click here to get it now!!

    ===>Crappy Product Link"

    WOW REALLY?! I CAN MAKE MONEY WITH THIS!!! OMG LET ME BUY IT NOW!


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    • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
      Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987 View Post

      My personal favorite are the guys who pop in your inbox like this:

      "Subject: Notification of Payment Received

      "Body:
      Hey Firstname, we have an amazing system that will get you notifications like this every day.

      .....

      (unsubscribe)
      Same here, instant unsubscribe.
      More and more marketing emails are becoming like nigerian scams, how long before an email with a subject along the lines of:
      'you inherited $4,000,000'
      and the body starts:
      Dear [firstname]
      you may be waiting for your inheritance but a good friend of mine makes this amout every day...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ldimilo
    I dunno what the big deal is. The guys who send this stuff to their lists typically are going to send you stuff like this continuously. If you don't like it, unsubscribe. Regardless of whether it is ethical, unethical, poor salesmanship...whatever...to me, it seems like a complete waste of time and energy talking about it. (why am I writing this again...?)

    We can go on and on about tactics and strategies and give opinions about whether we would do it or not, whether it's right or wrong, how this marketer did this or that marketer did that and you unsubscribed because of it, but the reality is that ultimately the end result for that particular marketer is going to be all that matter...assuming that he doesn't cross the line in terms of legal stuff.

    Everyone seems to have opinions as to whether you should hype or be real. Everyone has opinions about what they would do or not do in their list marketing campaign. Everyone wants to say the right things about what they think they should be saying ("I would NEVER do that". Funny thing is, apparently these marketers don't belong to this forum or if they did, they wouldn't be real about their tactics because they would probably be butchered by a bunch of opinionated marketers who think that the "right" way is their way.....

    These types of tactics may not make friends with your fellow marketers but there are only two reasons why I think that someone would use them...

    1. They actually work.
    2. They don't work but some guru somewhere told them that they do work.
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    Sneaky, I'd say, but hey it got you to open the
    email... if only the crafted a better message,

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
    I guess sometimes experiments go wrong... really wrong.

    My advice would be to take this and learn from it - if it turned you off, make sure you don't do this kind of thing with YOUR lists. Keep an eye on this thread (and others like it) and note what other examples people give.

    Then my friend, you have the basis for a product. "What NOT to do with email marketing". (subtitle: How to INSTANTLY lose all your subscribers with zero effort!)

    Go ahead, you can use the title - it's not copyrighted.
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Originally Posted by Feeder View Post

    What a shady, shady, email. My intelligence was actually insulted.
    Scroll down to end of email. Click unsubscribe. End of story.

    I keep some rubbish coming to my email inbox as I like to see what crap they are trying to sell me and what techniques they use. But I cull the list of subscriptions regularly down to about 3 or 4, each having a different focus. Currently have one well known figure sending me 2 emails a day with 20 words of sales pitch and a link. So much for nuture the list with great content (I actually have a product of his which is fantastic and I use it on my sites, so it is not as though I am not on his tyre kicking list either).

    Edit - any marketer that does send me great content semi-regularly stays in my inbox and I am happy to read their marketing pitches. Example - got another content email from the Samuri dojo the other day. Always great to read their stuff and I own their product.
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  • Profile picture of the author MilesT
    Funnier all the time!

    Yeah, it may have been kinda weird, but the guy was trying gain trust, and honestly his timing could not have been better, so kudos for that.

    Everyone is crying about the "gurus" or the "cheaters" and he found a way to side with his list, gain trust and capitalize on their feelings. Great idea, lame content. Oh well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
    I just got an email from some list I guess I subscribed to back in January of this year. Was not about a refund but some check I was owed and the gist of it was one of those turn $25 into $22,000 investment schemes and the link goes to some MLM system of some sort.

    I unsubscribed from the email and strongly considered sending it off to Aweber as example of scam emails. I don't have a problem really with the gist of what the system is about I have a huge problem the way they portrayed the system in the email, including the subject line.

    It went beyond hype and if you read it in a certain way it could be considered a promise or guarantee that you put in $25 you will get $22,000 back each and every month. I have been around long enough and have enough marketing experience to fully see what's going on here, and what the intent is of this e-mail I just got.

    The thing is most people out there that doesn't have enough experience with online marketing and being exposed to it, more than likely will get sucked into it. Believing the promise of the e-mail even though the sales letter tells a different story, it even includes a video and it's obviously some sort of an MLM system just from looking at the webpage.

    The e-mail author obviously is coming from an aspect of greed then truly going with the intent of helping people and that's why those that run their business and their marketing with integrity will be around a lot longer than these guys send out these crap e-mails and offers.

    - T
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