Is Clickbank Ripping Me off?

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Around 2 weeks ago I made a clickbank purchase through my own hoplink more as a test than anything else because my clickbank sales for that account had suddenly stopped over 6 months ago and I wanted to check to see if my hoplinks were working.(Clickbank is now taking $5.00 from my account every pay period.)
However, as expected the sale never appeared in my clickbank account.
I then submitted a ticket to clickbank to find out why. (I've copied the content further below)
In following up their suggestions I find that my cookies are being accepted and that as far as I'm aware there is no such software or programs installed which would do as they've suggested and if there was...the cookies would not have been able to be viewed on my PC anyway.
I've since followed up on the ticket and I'm waiting for a reply but Maybe someone here can offer any suggestion?
Sean
Clickbank ticket content: I had noticed recently that i had not been making any sales through any of my promotions so although the practice is frowned upon, on 13/9/2010, after deleting my browser cookies, I made a purchase through my own affiliate hoplink in order to test the security of my links. However it's now been 5 days and the transaction has not appeared in my account. Could you please check the following transaction number because I fear foul play. CB receipt number (Removed) Clickbank response:


COMMENTED: CBCSR (Tiffany W): 2010-09-20 11:58AM Comment:
Hello, Thank you for your inquiry! I show that following HopLink is set up and functioning correctly and when tested, you nickname and Tracking ID appear at the bottom of the order form. The reason your affiliate account could not be credited for your purchase was because settings or programs on your computer prevented our system from setting the cookie used to track affiliate referrals. Tracking HopLinks and affiliate credit with cookies is 100% accurate in the vast majority of cases. For some customers, however, cookies do not work for tracking. In these rare instances, customers either have cookies turned off in their browser, have utilized new browser security and/or privacy parameters, or have other software installed on their computer that prevents ClickBank from setting a cookie at all. Because we know that some customer's computers will not accept the affiliate cookie, we have also developed a new "back-up" technology that can accurately track HopLinks and award correct affiliate credit for most instances where cookies are not set. This new technology works hand-in-hand with our current cookie-tracking system to ensure proper credit is awarded to referring affiliates. The cookieless back-up system has time frame limitations in which the customer must purchase however, and cannot last up to 60 days like a cookie does, but it has been shown to be effective in most cases where a cookie cannot be placed due to the customer's browser settings. This is why, in some cases, if a customer has cookies disabled or a software installed that prevents the cookie from being deposited, and the purchase does not take place within the time frame of the back-up system tracking, it may affect the commission tracking. This is a very rare occurrence and does not seriously affect your success as an affiliate. One thing you can to prevent rare cases such as this is to make sure you are using up-to-date HopLinks that have been encrypted using HopLink Shield. Having up-to-date, encrypted HopLinks greatly reduces the chance of your HopLinks being diverted by spyware programs that prevent cookies from being deposited. To encrypt your HopLinks with HopLink Shield, please visit:
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

    Is Clickbank Ripping Me off?
    I think not.

    You lost money because of their incompetent affiliate tracking, but the money you lost went to the vendor, not to Clickbank.

    Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

    Clickbank is now taking $5.00 from my account every pay period.
    That's easy to put right: just re-set the payment threshold in your account to $10 and they'll send you a check (or make a direct deposit) for most of the balance on 1st October.
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    • Profile picture of the author kellio48
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I think not.

      You lost money because of their incompetent affiliate tracking, but the money you lost went to the vendor, not to Clickbank.



      That's easy to put right: just re-set the payment threshold in your account to $10 and they'll send you a check (or make a direct deposit) for most of the balance on 1st October.
      Thanks for the reply. I had already reset my payment threshold to $10 but now I have to ask myself whether all the hoplinks on all my sites are working because none of them have been converting and they are all under the same clickbank account and nickname?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt MacPherson
    Not sure if you did this but make sure you test in multiple browsers. Just to rule any browser specific setting out. Heck, test on multiple computers and OSs if you have that available to you.

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      That's easy to put right: just re-set the payment threshold in your account to $10 and they'll send you a check (or make a direct deposit) for most of the balance on 1st October.
      Not if the affiliate has not yet passed the 5 credit card rule at clickbank - if you don't pass that, CB keeps the money. Pretty convenient.

      Problem with that rule for new affiiates is that paypal ayments are not counted and increasingly people pay with paypal.

      There have been clickbank tracking problems for a long time - my solution is not worry about them. I don't use CB any more:p
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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Not if the affiliate has not yet passed the 5 credit card rule at clickbank - if you don't pass that, CB keeps the money. Pretty convenient.

        Problem with that rule for new affiiates is that paypal ayments are not counted and increasingly people pay with paypal.

        There have been clickbank tracking problems for a long time - my solution is not worry about them. I don't use CB any more:p
        I passed the rule quite some time ago.
        While it's ok to suggest that I don't use clickbank, I have at least 5 sites marketing only clickbank products and to take them down and waste all the work in putting them together would be sheer folly.
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    • Profile picture of the author kellio48
      Originally Posted by Matt MacPherson View Post

      Not sure if you did this but make sure you test in multiple browsers. Just to rule any browser specific setting out. Heck, test on multiple computers and OSs if you have that available to you.

      Matt
      Thanks for the suggestions Matt. Clickbank is indicating that my PC is at fault when it clearly isn't because I can view the cookies on my hard drive and have just tested them yet again.

      Unfortunately I'm not in a position to be able to test on other computers but when I test them on other browsers I get the same positive result which suggests an error in clickbank but I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to admit it.

      They just sent me an update in which they suggested I change my marketing techniques. What a joke!
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    I just went to the site in your sig. The CB order page showed your affiliate ID fine.


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    • Profile picture of the author kellio48
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      I just went to the site in your sig. The CB order page showed your affiliate ID fine.


      Andrew
      Thanks Andrew I realize that but it's not being processed by Clickbank.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        When you check you link (as you use it) is your affiliate id showing at the bottom? Wondering if this is an occasional glitch or a frequent occurrence.

        I understand about the sites - but if you have 5 sites and have reached the "inactive" $5 per month status, something isn't working well.

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    I passed the rule quite some time ago.
    While it's ok to suggest that I don't use clickbank, I have at least 5 sites marketing only clickbank products and to take them down and waste all the work in putting them together would be sheer folly.
    There is never going to be any way to tell. About once every few months without exception I get a dry spell of 4 days without any sales whatsoever. I gave up trying to figure out why now I am moving more into Amazon.

    CB really does not give a **** who gets paid IMO, it's all the same to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      When everything is working well I love CB. When things aren't working well or when sales seem to slump I curse them to the moon!

      How many sales were you making on average before your experiment went awry? Like, how well was stuff converting? Sale per 100 hops, 150 hops, 25 hops? Have you thought of getting in touch with the vendor to see who got credit for the sale just for S&G's?

      I know that things had been hinkey for a while for me... periods of drought for 2-3 days followed by good days.
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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        When everything is working well I love CB. When things aren't working well or when sales seem to slump I curse them to the moon!

        How many sales were you making on average before your experiment went awry? Like, how well was stuff converting? Sale per 100 hops, 150 hops, 25 hops? Have you thought of getting in touch with the vendor to see who got credit for the sale just for S&G's?

        I know that things had been hinkey for a while for me... periods of drought for 2-3 days followed by good days.
        I did ask the vendor who received the credit for the sale and he told me that I did, but I clearly didn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

          I did ask the vendor who received the credit for the sale and he told me that I did, but I clearly didn't.
          WOW!!! That adds a whole new twist to things! Unless, of course, the vendor was bsing you. Maybe you could forward this information along to CB and see what they say.
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          • Profile picture of the author kellio48
            Originally Posted by bretski View Post

            WOW!!! That adds a whole new twist to things! Unless, of course, the vendor was bsing you. Maybe you could forward this information along to CB and see what they say.
            Hmmm. The vendor is a well respected and popular WarRoom member who would have too much to lose by BSing me, however in light of the responses I've had from CB's support, I think I'll contact him again.
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            • Profile picture of the author bretski
              Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

              Hmmm. The vendor is a well respected and popular WarRoom member who would have too much to lose by BSing me, however in light of the responses I've had from CB's support, I think I'll contact him again.
              There are quite a few vendors here who are just plain ole "good people" who have helped me a lot. I don't want to "out" them even if for a good reason but let it be said that a vendor for two of my highest converting products is a WF member and a hell of a guy.
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              • Profile picture of the author kellio48
                Originally Posted by bretski View Post

                There are quite a few vendors here who are just plain ole "good people" who have helped me a lot. I don't want to "out" them even if for a good reason but let it be said that a vendor for two of my highest converting products is a WF member and a hell of a guy.
                I fully agree with you. I have no doubts about the the guy at all in that he was prompt in replying to my query and to give support to his product.
                In other posts he's highly recommended by other warriors which is one of the reasons I bought his product.
                As a matter of fact I could have bought it as a WSO but as I mentioned I wanted to test my hoplink knowing at the same time that the commission I receive on the sale would compensate for any difference in price in buying as a WSO.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I did ask the vendor who received the credit for the sale and he told me that I did, but I clearly didn't.
            That's interesting - and I don't what reason the vendor would have for not giving accurate facts. Most vendors are anxious to see affiliates promote their products and will help when they can. If you didn't get the credit - and the vendor didn't get the money....where is it? Will be interested to see what explanation you get.

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  • Profile picture of the author magicmarcus
    as an affiliate marketer sometimes these things happen.

    there is NO perfect tracking system... they all have thier issues.

    this is kinda like the issue of "click fraud" where sometimes you dont get the perfet clicks. so many people complained about this... but if everone has the same issue and we really cant do anything about it... all it does is drive the prices down... thats how the market works.

    the thing to remember is that everyone has these issues and you just have to factor it into your percentages as part of "the game."

    stressing about it just wastes time

    instead focus on getting more people to the site, building lists, and sending good offers.

    but of course always watch your numbers and if something looks funny... try to see whats going on.

    hope that helps clickbank is a great company and they are not out to get ya.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellio48
    Update: I contacted the vendor again who apologized that he misunderstood my question the first time and now informs me that the sale came in without an affiliate ID.
    In reviewing his order page I can clearly see my CB nickname with affiliate at the bottom of the page, however CB is trying to tell me that my computer is not allowing cookies for that page which I think is just an excuse. I think the person answering the ticket just doesn't know the answer.

    What concerns me is the question; What if all the hoplinks associated with that Clickbank nickname/account are doing the same thing on all my site visitors PC's?

    I haven't had a sale from that nickname/account in over 6 months!
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    • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
      Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

      Update: I contacted the vendor again who apologized that he misunderstood my question the first time and now informs me that the sale came in without an affiliate ID.
      In reviewing his order page I can clearly see my CB nickname with affiliate at the bottom of the page, however CB is trying to tell me that my computer is not allowing cookies for that page which I think is just an excuse. I think the person answering the ticket just doesn't know the answer.

      What concerns me is the question; What if all the hoplinks associated with that Clickbank nickname/account are doing the same thing on all my site visitors PC's?

      I haven't had a sale from that nickname/account in over 6 months!
      Here are some of the questions you can ask yourself.

      - Where was the traffic coming from?

      - If the traffic was coming from search engines, is your site still ranked high in the search engines?

      - If the traffic was coming from article marketing, are they read by the consistent number of readers?

      - Did the market change?

      - Did the vendor change his sales letter?

      There's got to be a loophole if CB has nothing to do with it.

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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        Hi Joe. I don't think you read the full post. In a nutshell, I made a purchase from my own hoplink in order to test it but Clickbank has not credited my account with the sale and are blaming my browser settings or a program on my PC which is stopping them from accessing the cookies.......
        If you really want to help read the start of the thread.

        Cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        It's OK. It only concerns that account.
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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        But...if i didn't receive the commission for the sale....and the vendor didn't.....who did?
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    My bad... Forgive me. You mentioned that you haven't had a sale in 6 months and I thought there must've been something that has or was changed since then. My mistake. : )
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    Should I say it?

    No, think not.

    Seems obvious though.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellio48
    ClickBank is now more or less telling me that the affiliate commission has gone to the vendor. At least that's my interpretation of the following message I recieved in reply to my query:

    "In the rare instances that a cookie containing the affiliate's unique HopLink information cannot be placed on the customer's computer, ClickBank's back up system uses all the information available to accurately track HopLinks and award correct affiliate credit for most instances where cookies are not set. With our back-up tracking, ClickBank, unlike other online retailers, has added an additional layer of protection for our affiliate's referrals.

    As you can see, it is an incredibly rare occurrence for a referral to be unable to be tracked by one of our tracking systems and even more rare for the referral to not be able to be tracked by both. These are cases where there is just not enough information for our back-up tracking to track the referral, though we have searched all the information we have.

    It is also important to note that in such cases, ClickBank does not keep the money you would have earned from the sale. ClickBank makes no more money from such cases as we do from any other sale. The reason for this is that ClickBank only ever takes 7.5% plus $1.00 as our transaction fee from the retail price of any sale. On sales where there is an affiliate, the net profit (the profit left after our transaction fee) is split between the affiliate and the vendor. On sales where the customer was not referred by any affiliate, the entire net profit goes to the vendor.

    ClickBank does not take the money an affiliate would have earned because the order shows the net profit is supposed to go directly to the vendor. Therefore, ClickBank does not earn additional more money from the very rare times when our systems are unable to track an affiliate's referral.

    As you can imagine, ClickBank actually loses money in the long run each time an affiliate referral cannot be tracked because affiliates may choose to no longer promote the product. Because of this, we take every possible measure to make sure that our affiliates are properly credited with the sales they refer and are always looking for more ways to make our tracking systems the best affiliate tracking systems used by any online retailer.

    While our systems approach 100% accuracy, even one missed commission can affect the accounts of our affiliates, and can also damage ClickBank's reputation in the online community. This is why ClickBank takes HopLink tracking so very seriously".
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

      ClickBank is now more or less telling me that the affiliate commission has gone to the vendor.
      Does this vindicate my view at the start of the thread, in post #2 above?! :rolleyes: :p

      Seriously, I suspect that this was indeed what happened here (and I do agree with your interpretation of what you received).

      Few people here are quicker to criticise Clickbank in public than I am, but even I don't imagine that they themselves are swallowing people's affiliate commissions in these cases. I think their affiliate tracking is considerably worse than they claim. I think they're an absolute nightmare to deal with when something goes wrong (you've actually done well, to get this far with them!). I think their entire attitude and behaviour around "customer service" is frankly appalling. I think they have an instinctive attitude of "Whatever has gone wrong, nothing is ever our fault or our problem". But I really don't think they're crooks who are deliberately stealing other people's money.

      Just my perspective as one of their frequent critics.
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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Does this vindicate my view at the start of the thread, in post #2 above?! :rolleyes: :p

        Seriously, I suspect that this was indeed what happened here (and I do agree with your interpretation of what you received).

        Few people here are quicker to criticise Clickbank in public than I am, but even I don't imagine that they themselves are swallowing people's affiliate commissions in these cases. I think their affiliate tracking is considerably worse than they claim. I think they're an absolute nightmare to deal with when something goes wrong (you've actually done well, to get this far with them!). I think their entire attitude and behaviour around "customer service" is frankly appalling. I think they have an instinctive attitude of "Whatever has gone wrong, nothing is ever our fault or our problem". But I really don't think they're crooks who are deliberately stealing other people's money.

        Just my perspective as one of their frequent critics.
        Hi Alexa.
        Yes you are and were quite right.
        What concerns me is that we as affiliates have no way of knowing if our hoplinks are being successfully tracked by CB unless the commission appears in our accounts.
        For all we know we could be selling products where the commission is going directly to the vendor as in this case.
        Anyway I've written to the vendor again explaining the situation and requested him to pay the commission directly to my PayPal account.
        I can't see any reason why he won't conform to the request in that if he doesn't I'll simply make a further request for a full refund and stop promoting his products.
        While I realize that it's not his mistake he could be making one to refuse my request.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

          What concerns me is that we as affiliates have no way of knowing if our hoplinks are being successfully tracked by CB unless the commission appears in our accounts.
          Yes, I agree. And this is what, to me, makes their "general attitude toward customer service", consistent denials that there's a problem even when they sometimes end up admitting or half-admitting later that there is, such a big issue. Because they come across as unreliable and untrustworthy in that way, and I do understand that people can imagine they're stealing too - though I remain sure, myself, that they're really not.

          I thought it was a little ironic that they made a comment to you about their public reputation! :p

          Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

          For all we know we could be selling products where the commission is going directly to the vendor as in this case.
          I don't want to panic you, but 2 different vendors of 75% commission products have told me that overall they pay out a net 55% rather than 75% because although they sell nothing themselves that they know of, sometimes the affiliate cookies just aren't tracked reliably. And there have been one or two very similar public comments on the board here from vendors, too. (A year or so ago).

          Good luck resolving this situation with the vendor. I can see him not being too comfortable about it, but I suspect that if you prove to him what Clickbank have said on the subject, he might agree ... :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
            Hello, I don't think you are getting ripped off. I think I lost quite a few sales because of Clickbank's poor affiliate tracking. Sometimes, I see in my analytics that a person has hit the submit order button but the sale doesn't appear or been registered.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
      Sounds like they have had some pretty strong challenges (legal threats) come down the pipe regarding the tracking inconsistencies. Companies don't write things like this unless they smell trouble, and I'm pretty sure they smell trouble.

      Honestly people, find a product worth promoting, promote it profitably and then create a product of your own to promote in the same niche. You'll make more money and not have to deal with the suspicions and half-confessions anymore.

      Clickbank is a vendor's dream, with the inconsistent tracking giving them more money in their pocket, and an affiliate's nightmare with the inconsistent tracking and the denials and half-truths. Which would you like? Dream or nightmare?

      Learned that lesson a long time ago, just thought I would put that out there.

      James


      Originally Posted by kellio48 View Post

      ClickBank is now more or less telling me that the affiliate commission has gone to the vendor. At least that's my interpretation of the following message I recieved in reply to my query:

      "In the rare instances that a cookie containing the affiliate's unique HopLink information cannot be placed on the customer's computer, ClickBank's back up system uses all the information available to accurately track HopLinks and award correct affiliate credit for most instances where cookies are not set. With our back-up tracking, ClickBank, unlike other online retailers, has added an additional layer of protection for our affiliate's referrals.

      As you can see, it is an incredibly rare occurrence for a referral to be unable to be tracked by one of our tracking systems and even more rare for the referral to not be able to be tracked by both. These are cases where there is just not enough information for our back-up tracking to track the referral, though we have searched all the information we have.

      It is also important to note that in such cases, ClickBank does not keep the money you would have earned from the sale. ClickBank makes no more money from such cases as we do from any other sale. The reason for this is that ClickBank only ever takes 7.5% plus $1.00 as our transaction fee from the retail price of any sale. On sales where there is an affiliate, the net profit (the profit left after our transaction fee) is split between the affiliate and the vendor. On sales where the customer was not referred by any affiliate, the entire net profit goes to the vendor.

      ClickBank does not take the money an affiliate would have earned because the order shows the net profit is supposed to go directly to the vendor. Therefore, ClickBank does not earn additional more money from the very rare times when our systems are unable to track an affiliate's referral.

      As you can imagine, ClickBank actually loses money in the long run each time an affiliate referral cannot be tracked because affiliates may choose to no longer promote the product. Because of this, we take every possible measure to make sure that our affiliates are properly credited with the sales they refer and are always looking for more ways to make our tracking systems the best affiliate tracking systems used by any online retailer.

      While our systems approach 100% accuracy, even one missed commission can affect the accounts of our affiliates, and can also damage ClickBank's reputation in the online community. This is why ClickBank takes HopLink tracking so very seriously".
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Haven't we all had the thought that Clickbank is ripping us off?

    I am fairly certain they have had (have still?) tracking issues. I doubt they intentionally shave as their gain would be very small (only those money left in account from newbies).

    The real inconvienient truth is probably that 90% of Clickbank products convert like crap for 90% of traffic.

    I think you really NEED to build a relationship trough a list to get a decent conversion rate. Don't have time to learn that skill at the moment, but certainly will later.

    On the other hand, being a vendor is were the real money is at. If you have sold just 20 of the same product, you know there is demand, why not make your own product? (IM niche excluded).
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  • Profile picture of the author wpiercy
    Alexa Smith FTW! I also caught the "ClickBank's reputation in the online community" comment as well. They monitor the forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    both clickbank and commission junction are theives thats why i stopped dealing with them
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    So how do i tell if my cookies are being accepted by clickbank?
    In 2 years ive made 3 sales.
    I havent even made the 5 point threshhold yet.
    I just purchased(from another pc)a friend,the chocolate cake recipe to see if it would stop the 2 dollar every payment thing.
    So now im going to lose another( $37.00)about 29.00 by now,unless i make some more sales fast.

    Ya know,i think saturday ill go out and find 5 people with different credit cards and buy the chocolate cake recipe.Then ill reimburse them.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellio48
    Here is a twist!
    As mentioned earlier, I asked the vendor to pay the commission on the sale directly into my PayPal account on the assumption he'd have no qualms about doing so.

    However, he has offered me a full refund! I had explained to him that I am happy with the product and want to keep it. In most cases that would be OK as I'd get to keep the refund and the product but....the product is a WP plug in which can be used on multiple sites but can't be activated unless the CB receipt number is entered on each individual Word Press site.
    So if I take his offer he can cancel the receipt number thus making the plug in inoperable on any future new sites. (I think)
    Of course I can accept the refund and buy the product once again through my own hoplink but how do I know the whole thing will not reoccur?
    Oh the dilemma!!

    Update:
    I just checked my email and found that the vendor has jumped the gun and issued a refund through Clickbank without my request to do so... and...clickbank has subsequently closed the support ticket!!!
    Does that suggest that the vendor might have something to hide??
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    What I don't understand about this apparent tracking problem is this -

    If the affiliate nickname was showing at the bottom of the order page how then can a cookie failure be blamed for the affiliate not getting the sale?

    If the affiliate nickname is showing on the order page and the sale completed immediately then surely cookies are not required for tracking.

    Have I missed something?

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    • Originally Posted by howdo-i View Post

      What I don't understand about this apparent tracking problem is this -

      If the affiliate nickname was showing at the bottom of the order page how then can a cookie failure be blamed for the affiliate not getting the sale?

      If the affiliate nickname is showing on the order page and the sale completed immediately then surely cookies are not required for tracking.

      Have I missed something?

      Steve
      The fact that it's showing on the page doesn't tell you a thing about what's going on in the database.

      Based on some testing, I am pretty sure Clickbank shaves/steals from affiliates. They'd better work this out or they're setting themselves up for a big class action suit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
        Originally Posted by SurviveUnemployment View Post

        The fact that it's showing on the page doesn't tell you a thing about what's going on in the database.

        Based on some testing, I am pretty sure Clickbank shaves/steals from affiliates. They'd better work this out or they're setting themselves up for a big class action suit.
        No but it does tell you that a cookie is not required to match the affiliate to the sale. The affiliate should already be linked to this transaction.
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    • Profile picture of the author yves
      Originally Posted by howdo-i View Post

      What I don't understand about this apparent tracking problem is this -

      If the affiliate nickname was showing at the bottom of the order page how then can a cookie failure be blamed for the affiliate not getting the sale?

      If the affiliate nickname is showing on the order page and the sale completed immediately then surely cookies are not required for tracking.

      Have I missed something?

      Steve
      Yes, I was confused about this part too!

      Kellio, I have had the same bother with clickbank and believe me, you just won't get anywhere with the "support" tickets.

      What I did, even though it is extremely laborious, is to open a new account and change all the hops. If you were getting a significant amount of sales, it's worthwhile to do this and you should see the sales coming in again.

      Otherwise, there's not much you can do unfortunately.

      Good luck

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      • Profile picture of the author kellio48
        Originally Posted by yves View Post

        Yes, I was confused about this part too!

        Kellio, I have had the same bother with clickbank and believe me, you just won't get anywhere with the "support" tickets.

        What I did, even though it is extremely laborious, is to open a new account and change all the hops. If you were getting a significant amount of sales, it's worthwhile to do this and you should see the sales coming in again.

        Otherwise, there's not much you can do unfortunately.

        Good luck

        Yves
        Yves.
        I have thought about doing that but as you say it will take a lot of work over around 8 sites with posts,pages,images and widgets all containing hoplinks.
        The other things to consider are; getting over the 5 card rule again and the direct deposit rule.
        Because I live in Australia in a region which has no mail delivery I sometimes have to wait for ages to receive checks and the checks are canceled after a certain period of time if not banked, and I'm a regular traveler who spends much of my time "on the road".

        As a matter if interest, the product referred to (a WP plugin) has now been deactivated on the 2 sites it was installed on which means that the vendor still has complete control over the product even after it's been paid for.
        I liked the product and would have liked to keep it or even re-buy it but now I'm extremely reluctant to do so.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by yves View Post

        I have had the same bother with clickbank and believe me, you just won't get anywhere with the "support" tickets.
        Agreed - I just can't see anyone with any real experience of trying to deal with Clickbank dissenting from this opinion.

        Originally Posted by yves View Post

        What I did, even though it is extremely laborious, is to open a new account and change all the hops. If you were getting a significant amount of sales, it's worthwhile to do this and you should see the sales coming in again.
        Many people have done this and found it extremely and immediately beneficial. Including some of my article-writing clients, last year. One had an average of 10+ sales per day which suddenly and dramatically disappeared; on opening a new account exactly as Yves suggests, his sales promptly picked up from their totally unaccountable zero to 10/11 per day, on average, again. This has happened to too many people here for it to be coincidence: I remember a year or so ago seeing many threads here in which many Warriors reported exactly the same. However much Clickbank apologists like to dismiss it as "silly" and "illogical", it's worth trying.

        Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author kellio48
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Agreed - I just can't see anyone with any real experience of trying to deal with Clickbank dissenting from this opinion.



          Many people have done this and found it extremely and immediately beneficial. Including some of my article-writing clients, last year. One had an average of 10+ sales per day which suddenly and dramatically disappeared; on opening a new account exactly as Yves suggests, his sales promptly picked up from their totally unaccountable zero to 10/11 per day, on average, again. This has happened to too many people here for it to be coincidence: I remember a year or so ago seeing many threads here in which many Warriors reported exactly the same. However much Clickbank apologists like to dismiss it as "silly" and "illogical", it's worth trying.

          This problem has absolutely nothing to do with the "dormant account charges".

          Good luck!
          You may well be right but while the thought is daunting the task will be laborious to say the least and there's every possibility that I'm going to lose the remaining balance which is still in the account.
          Only around $23 now that clickbank has been systematically reducing it by $5 a pay period for the past couple of months.
          Looks like I'm going to be having a busy weekend.
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          • Profile picture of the author Simon S
            Kellio48

            Do you have an update on the situation as I am in the same position as yourself. No sales in the last 3 months.

            I have gone from around the 40-50 sales per month to absolute zero with 3 health and fitness related websites. I have been called paranoid by people in this industry saying CB would never rip people off.

            As with you I have spent the last year building the sites and backlinks and just to toss them in the bin is something I don't relish at present
            as one of them is on page one with google for my main keyword with high search volume.
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            • Profile picture of the author kellio48
              Originally Posted by Simon S View Post

              Kellio48

              Do you have an update on the situation as I am in the same position as yourself. No sales in the last 3 months.

              I have gone from around the 40-50 sales per month to absolute zero with 3 health and fitness related websites. I have been called paranoid by people in this industry saying CB would never rip people off.

              As with you I have spent the last year building the sites and backlinks and just to toss them in the bin is something I don't relish at present
              as one of them is on page one with google for my main keyword with high search volume.
              Simon S
              No updates I'm afraid Simon. I did however write and explain the situation to the merchant who was happy enough to give me a refund as I didn't really want the product and only bought it through my own link as a test.

              Nor have I made any further sales through that account.

              I followed another member's advice and set up another CB account but I've moved away from CB somewhat to promote tangible products and haven't been promoting any CB products with the new account.
              I just don't trust CB anymore!!!!!
              Sorry I can't help you more.
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              • Profile picture of the author bigdan79
                Plenty of accusations and statements like "I should be making more money this week." But where is the cold hard, undisputable evidence? Like a video on youtube showing your browsing, making a purchase, and logging into your CB account that shows no record of the sale?
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                • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
                  Originally Posted by bigdan79 View Post

                  Plenty of accusations and statements like "I should be making more money this week." But where is the cold hard, undisputable evidence? Like a video on youtube showing your browsing, making a purchase, and logging into your CB account that shows no record of the sale?
                  There are plenty of them out there.

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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    No, ClickBank is not ripping you off they are just not giving you credit for the sale. It is not making them money to do that. They are just the worst affiliate tracking company in the industry. I never promote ClickBank products for that very reason.

    Shannon
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    This has happened plenty of times before. I believe that CB might be ripping people off, since most CPA businesses do. If they wouldn't, they would go out of business quickly. You can't really do anything about it, just live with it.

    In a way I think it is convenient for CB to have "bad affiliate tracking". This way they can always blame the system, not outright shaving.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
      My sales have been down significantly lately despite having more traffic than ever. I tried making a new account and saw no increase in sales.

      It's aggravating, but it is pushing me towards developing my own product(s) and that is the direction I need to move anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author Margaret Arumugam
        This may have something to do with the Nov 5 (and subsequent) updates CB did to their systems. My sales have been affected since that time.
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        • Profile picture of the author Christian Fox
          Originally Posted by Margaret Arumugam View Post

          This may have something to do with the Nov 5 (and subsequent) updates CB did to their systems. My sales have been affected since that time.
          Weird, that is exactly when my issues started also.
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