Am I doing something wrong?

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So, being new to this IM stuff, I'm wondering if I'm maybe doing something wrong.

My keyword phrase returns 1.2 million results. Is the search term to vague or the competition just really hardcore? And how long should it take to get page 1 on google with someone with this many results?
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  • Profile picture of the author lassmiranda
    The pure quanitity of search results regarding a certain keyword is no secure benchmark for the strength of the competition. If you want to know how really hard the competition on your keyword is, try the Google Keyword Tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
    The keyword search tool also says my competition is high

    I am just trying to promote a website for my own local service business. Things aren't going too well so I thought maybe IM would help me reach potential customers that I wasn't reaching before.

    PS: If anyone wants to help me, PM me and let's work something out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
    Originally Posted by idlplumb View Post

    So, being new to this IM stuff, I'm wondering if I'm maybe doing something wrong.

    My keyword phrase returns 1.2 million results. Is the search term to vague or the competition just really hardcore? And how long should it take to get page 1 on google with someone with this many results?
    It's really hardcore mate. Getting to the top of Google isn't that hard (although it requires a lot of work) but there're some proved methods on this forum that work every time.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      I think you are probably using the keyword tool to search for the wrong keywords. If you're local, keep your keyword local - for example "plumber mydistrictofLA"

      PM sent.
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      • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        I think you are probably using the keyword tool to search for the wrong keywords. If you're local, keep your keyword local - for example "plumber mydistrictofLA"

        PM sent.
        I'm not yet able to send PMs. You can email me at idlplumb@roadrunner.com.

        Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        I think you are probably using the keyword tool to search for the wrong keywords. If you're local, keep your keyword local - for example "plumber mydistrictofLA"

        PM sent.
        I'd be happy to help you out if Rosetrees can't. As she's a senior member here I would really recommend you hang onto her every word. I'm assuming you're a plumber and if there are 1.2 million competing pages in your locality, I'd say plumbing is saturated there. As thats probably not the case I think you just need to understand keyword research a bit better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lynette Crase
    Hi,

    If you want to learn how to do keyword research correctly then I suggest you go and take a look at The Challenge.

    The Challenge

    I am not affiliated with Ed Dale or The Challenge I just think that this is a great resource for new people and best of all it's free.

    Lynette
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  • Profile picture of the author xenergy
    1.2million is not that much. With some effective DIY SEO, You can easily appear on 1st page of google. I created a small free analysis about your website and sent it to your PM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by xenergy View Post

      1.2million is not that much. With some effective DIY SEO, You can easily appear on 1st page of google. I created a small free analysis about your website and sent it to your PM.
      1.2 million competing pages isn't much but 1.2 million plumbers in your town is. That was my point. Either the markets saturated or more likely he needs to understand keyword research better. IDLplumb, what area are you in and I take it you are a plumber? I'll have a look for you too.
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  • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
    Everyone here is really helpful. I can't thank all of you enough for your willingness to help.

    I may be using the wrong keywords, but I don't know. Like I said, I am new to IM. About a month ago, I didn't even know what SEO stood for, but I'm learning more and more every day.

    Richard - We do have a pretty big time difference, so hopefully Rosetrees and I can find a time that works for both of us.

    xenergy - I thank you for your analysis - I have yet to receive it, but will keep my eyes open.
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  • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
    Well, specifically I am in the "san fernando valley" - even more specifically north hollywood, but I also work in burbank, glendale, hollywood, van nuys, reseda, tarzana, encino, arleta, northridge, granada hills, studio city, sherman oaks, la crescenta, and a few others I can't think of at the moment.

    Should I be concentrating more on specific neighborhoods and try to create seperate pages for each one?

    And yes, I am a plumber.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by idlplumb View Post

      Well, specifically I am in the "san fernando valley" - even more specifically north hollywood, but I also work in burbank, glendale, hollywood, van nuys, reseda, tarzana, encino, arleta, northridge, granada hills, studio city, sherman oaks, la crescenta, and a few others I can't think of at the moment.

      Should I be concentrating more on specific neighborhoods and try to create seperate pages for each one?

      And yes, I am a plumber.
      Let me have a look today at how much and how good your competition are. Local stuff like this is often easy to target. I do this for some local people around my way and do the IM for a large global company in London to. Local stuff is far easier than global. I'll PM you my email and you can get back to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
    Thank you Richard!

    Oh, and if anyone on here needs any guidance in plumbing related topics, feel free to PM me and I'll try to guide you through whatever it is you need to do, repair, modify, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author alunmax
    Hi,

    Yes, you definitely need to focus on local keyword terms. If you look at a keyword research tool like Wordtracker you'll see that in the US it is very common for people to type in searches that include their home town or state. You'll have far fewer searches than you would for generic keywords but a fraction of the competition and as I'm sure your site shows your location then Google will love your site as a natural fit for those local keywords. So provided you optimise your pages properly, get the SEO right with tags, robots.txt file etc (get that done really cheaply at fiverr.com), Google should look favourably on your site.

    Good luck. Folks'll always need plumbers!

    Alun
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    Information in this thread is a bit misleading.

    For the record:

    The number of results in Google for a search term has NOTHING to do with how hard or easy it is to rank for

    To know how hard a term is to rank for, you need to look at the stats of the first 10 pages.

    Look at:

    Keywords in title
    Backlinks
    Anchor text of backlinks
    Keywords in domain
    Theme of website

    Etc..

    Number of search results is completely irrelevant. You can find search terms with 50mil results that you can rank for overnight but are not getting searched for so its pointless.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      Information in this thread is a bit misleading.

      For the record:

      The number of results in Google for a search term has NOTHING to do with how hard or easy it is to rank for

      To know how hard a term is to rank for, you need to look at the stats of the first 10 pages.

      Look at:

      Keywords in title
      Backlinks
      Anchor text of backlinks
      Keywords in domain
      Theme of website

      Etc..

      Number of search results is completely irrelevant. You can find search terms with 50mil results that you can rank for overnight but are not getting searched for so its pointless.
      Exactly, thats why I love Samurai's SEO competition module. I rarely judge competing pages now until I've run it through this which tells me all of the above except for the theme of a site. This very often contradicts the search result numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author alunmax
    Yes. Your chances of ranking for keywords are to do with the number of searches made (not search results) plus the number of sites competing for those searches. What you could also do is take a look at the sites on the first pages of the keywords you want to rank for and look at the keywords they're optimising their site around (via the view/source button). Spyfu.com is another good resource for checking out the competiton, and it has a free as well as a more powerful paid version.

    Alun
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  • Profile picture of the author AllyChurch
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    @ Richard Van, sorry to post in here but I can't send PMs yet.

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  • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
    So if I were to break it down to more specific neighborhoods, can I have a seperate "index" page for each and market them each as a separate website? Or maybe I can create a subdomain for each?

    What's the right move?
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  • Profile picture of the author idlplumb
    Anyone have any more input??
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