You're not making money, cuz you're not trying!

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I keep seeing threads where people are complaining about not making money online. There's a simple solution to that. Stop browsing and chatting, get to work.

I've had times where I haven't made any money, it wasn't because the money wasn't out there to be made or because a method was dead...it was because I didn't put forth the effort.

If you pour all your effort into making things work, you will get results. Eventually through your testing, you'll find something that works. You just have to be consistent.

I started article marketing about 3 weeks ago. I wrote maybe 10 articles and waited for sales...they weren't coming in. I was about to give up. Thankfully, I didn't I started to wonder why I wasn't making sales...so I researched and I tweaked things. I kept making little changes until I saw results...yesterday, I earned $95 as a result.

You can't be lazy, making money online is like any job...you have to work, otherwise, you don't get paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    I keep seeing threads where people are complaining about not making money online. There's a simple solution to that. Stop browsing and chatting, get to work.

    I've had times where I haven't made any money, it wasn't because the money wasn't out there to be made or because a method was dead...it was because I didn't put forth the effort.

    If you pour all your effort into making things work, you will get results. Eventually through your testing, you'll find something that works. You just have to be consistent.

    I started article marketing about 3 weeks ago. I wrote maybe 10 articles and waited for sales...they weren't coming in. I was about to give up. Thankfully, I didn't I started to wonder why I wasn't making sales...so I researched and I tweaked things. I kept making little changes until I saw results...yesterday, I earned $95 as a result.

    You can't be lazy, making money online is like any job...you have to work, otherwise, you don't get paid.
    There is truth to this, imagine having a real job and explaining to your boss why you are on forums all day? Here you are the boss. Maybe limit forum/non-work to 20-30 minutes a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
      Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

      There is truth to this, imagine having a real job and explaining to your boss why you are on forums all day? Here you are the boss. Maybe limit forum/non-work to 20-30 minutes a day.

      Very true. As much as forum browsing is interesting, it is also very addictive! I limit my time to 30 minutes - twice a day! Under Doctor's orders!
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    Good job on getting results. I completely agree, every single person that says they've been doing IM for years with no success usually has done almost nothing. Very frustrating. Why bother to learn it all if you aren't going to use it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    You're exactly right. You snooze you lose. Some people think there's a magic button that when pressed money will come pouring in. Yes maybe true 7-9 years ago but now that more people has entered the online world they are our competition and you always need to be the first one to get the word out or someone else will make the money. But so true that it takes hardwork and persistence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    I was around 10 years ago, that was some of the easiest money to be made. I could basically spam anywhere..lol...but I didn't, I made nice income but I know it could have been a heck of a lot more. When I made good cash, I would relax...that was my mistake. Times have changed, you can't relax anymore, if you want to make money, you have to be productive even if it's just giving your business 30 to 60 minutes each day....Do something.
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  • Profile picture of the author obx08
    Doing something is the biggest issue. I believe times have changed but the myths havnt. We hear many people talking about how they work 20 min a day and make 1k a day. That really was true at one point...I was one of those people. Now it has changed so much. You can still make 1k a day...but it will take a heck of a lot more time than 20min. Its something i often forget and wonder why im not making any income...then when i realistically evaluate myself I realize I only spent 30min on something and expect it to bring in money. If i dedicated hours...Im positive it would
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by air360 View Post

      Doing something is the biggest issue. I believe times have changed but the myths havnt. We hear many people talking about how they work 20 min a day and make 1k a day. That really was true at one point...I was one of those people. Now it has changed so much. You can still make 1k a day...but it will take a heck of a lot more time than 20min. Its something i often forget and wonder why im not making any income...then when i realistically evaluate myself I realize I only spent 30min on something and expect it to bring in money. If i dedicated hours...Im positive it would
      There's no way that anyone could have made $1k per day working just 20 mins even back then, UNLESS they were either basically outsourcing their entire operation or using paid advertising on a massive scale. The IM salesletters tend to twist and bend the truth to where almost everyone falls for the half-truths contained within them, and it's a sad and unfortunate fact that the majority of newbies fall for this sort of crap hook, line and sinker.

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  • Profile picture of the author le dangles
    I completely agree. Not taking enough action is by far one of my biggest problems. I spend too much time reading forums and chatting and not actually getting things done. Once I actually started pumping out articles and working on my main landing pages I started to see some money roll in.

    To a certain extent reading forums and networking with other people will help you build the basic knowledge for starting your on-line business or making money by marketing other products. But actuallly taking action, experimenting, and tweaking your marketing campaigns is what really will bring you success in the end!
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    You're not making money, cuz you're not trying!
    Mm, this suggests that all you need to do is try.

    I don't think that's going to be true in all cases - there are definitely people who will never make any money online no matter how hard they try.

    In reality, it's no different from offline business. Some succeed, some fail and for those who succeed, trying is just one part of a much more complex picture.

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    Neil, I can't express how much I disagree. Trying is everything. If you never even try how will you know that you failed?
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    If you never even try how will you know that you failed?
    I definitely agree with that.

    Trying is everything.
    But not that.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author aduttonater
      This is true, I always find myself drifting off into a movie, or getting caught up in and IM conversation. The truth is that if you don't focus on building your business then it will never get built, and you will never make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    Maybe I should clarify a little.

    I'd wager that almost everyone on here who has had a modicum of success has worked their butt off on projects that ended up being dead ducks.

    It wouldn't have mattered how hard they tried, a bad idea is a bad idea.

    The good news is that many people can spot those clunkers and move on. But not everyone can or will.

    The "everyone will succeed if they act" mantra is a milder form of "you too can make $1,000 per day" which is easier to accept not to be true.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author aduttonater
      yea I've been in a few businesses and realized they were clunkers. I moved on and found what was best for me. I'm sure there is more out there to discover as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by Neil Morgan View Post

      Maybe I should clarify a little.

      I'd wager that almost everyone on here who has had a modicum of success has worked their butt of on projects that ended up being dead ducks.

      It wouldn't have mattered how hard they tried, a bad idea is a bad idea.

      The good news is that many people can spot those clunkers and move on. But not everyone can or will.

      The "everyone will succeed if they act" mantra is a milder form of "you too can make $1,000 per day" which is easier to accept not to be true.

      Cheers,

      Neil
      This is the "cold water in your face" reality, right here. "Just take action" is akin to "do what you love." Really bad advice if you "just take action" on a lousy plan, or when "doing what you love" is something without a market of buyers.

      Platitudes make us feel better. They're uplifting. And sometimes they play nicely with reality. Sometimes, though, they don't. The trick is embracing the former and ignoring the latter.

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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Ratliff
        Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

        This is the "cold water in your face" reality, right here. "Just take action" is akin to "do what you love." Really bad advice if you "just take action" on a lousy plan, or when "doing what you love" is something without a market of buyers.

        Platitudes make us feel better. They're uplifting. And sometimes they play nicely with reality. Sometimes, though, they don't. The trick is embracing the former and ignoring the latter.

        John
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        If you're "trying" to make bacon with biscuit mix, you aren't gonna end up taking home the bacon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    Gosh, I'm not doing a good job of sounding my usual positive self in this thread

    No-one on here wants new people to succeed more than me which I hope comes across in my threads and posts.

    You definitely DO need to try, and try very, very hard. But do keep an eye on reality at the same time. There's a little voice at the back of your head that's sometimes worth listening to. I'm not saying "give up", I'm saying "try something else".

    As my wonderful old Grandpa used to say "If at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again".

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    All I'm saying here is that failure is not possible without trying. You have absolutely zero chance of succeeding if you don't try. However, you must have a sound plan...but what happens to that plan when you don't put it into action? It's worthless.

    Trying can mean the world. Trying is not the only thing, trying is everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    Lousy plans aren't lousy...lol. I look at everything as a learning experience and try to snatch positives from it all. Those "lousy" plans help you learn. If you're not capable of learning then of course you need to move on. Tweak, Tweak, Tweak those lousy plans until they become good plans. If you don't have a mentor in place, this is almost your only option.

    Tweaking is a result of trying....

    It all boils down to you executing a plan...lousy plan or not....The least you could do is try.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

      Lousy plans aren't lousy...lol. I look at everything as a learning experience and try to snatch positives from it all. Those "lousy" plans help you learn. If you're not capable of learning then of course you need to move on. Tweak, Tweak, Tweak those lousy plans until they become good plans. If you don't have a mentor in place, this is almost your only option.

      Tweaking is a result of trying....

      It all boils down to you executing a plan...lousy plan or not....The least you could do is try.
      I wasn't trying to throw cold water on your OP here. I'm 100% with you on the sentiment of taking action. But we owe newbies better than just making broad blanket statements on this forum. So Neil and I were just qualifying your otherwise excellent suggestion.

      And I don't agree that you should follow a lousy plan stubbornly until you make it work. That's throwing good effort after bad. Investigate, look for plans that work (which you determine by the preponderance of positive feedback and success stories), and emulate those. One of the worst things a newb can do is concoct a plan willy-nilly and spend weeks or even months "taking action" on it just because it's what he likes doing. Unless he's looking for something to do without respect to making money doing it. Nothing wrong with that, then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clubland
    I totally agree with Neil Morgan.

    Also, newbies these days get told false incomes in a short amount of time.

    Newbies need to get told that it needs hard work, as in anything you endeavour to do in life.

    I didn't start in IMing, i actually started an offline business. Yes, the offline business is hard work, but isn't everything in life.

    No matter what you want in life, or what you do in life. The same rules apply. I wasn't blessed in life with a great education, i had to work hard in everything i do and have done. Marriage is the same thing, hard work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Borgny
      I could'nt agree more and I belive one must stick to one metod at a time and concentrate on it.
      Spending time reading emails and forums is no work its education. There is enough money out there to be made for everybody
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  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    very true, many people give up soon, most of them want to earn very quickly..... but it takes time and hard work..
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  • Profile picture of the author thebasta
    I THINK THAT ANOTHER GOOD WAY TO GET RESULT IS STOP BUYING PRODUCTS AND TRY TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING YOU KNOW UNTIL NOW.. WHEN YOU ARE BUYING MAKE MONEY PRODUCTS AND PRODUCTS, YOU ARE INFORMATION OVERLOAD AND GET CONFUSE....FOR EXAMPLE NOW I REALIZE THAT IF WOULD IMPLEMENT THE FIRST E BOOK I READ ABOUT SEO 2 YEARS IN HALF AGO, I WOULD HAVE SOME WEBSITE RANK #1, BUT WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE MAGIC PILL OR THE SHORTCUT TO MAKE QUICK MONEY.AND THE INTERNET MARKETERS ARE MAKING A THEM SELF RICH SELLING YOU THERE E BOOKS...

    GREAT ADVICE BILL.... NOW I HAVE FIGURE ALL MY IDEAS AND I KNOW THAT IN A FEW WEEKS I'M GOING TO BE WRITING A SUCCESS HISTORY IN THE WARRIOR FORUM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Housestacks
    his is the life that all entrepreneur's choose. There is success and failures. We as newbies come to this forum for education and to learn something new - is that not what this forum is all about? Everyone should spend some time on education even the pro's.

    I am a professional in another trade but the basics always come up. I am sure we can all agree on that.

    We all have and will have our failures. Without failing we can never have the success's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
    I agree that taking no action, then whining about your lack of magical instant success, is a terrible approach to IM. But some people may just not know how to do IM right. Maybe they have been trying, or haven't been trying and are "whining" on forums to get better ideas on what they should be doing.
    I wouldn't be so quick to judge someone who expected success without much work; they are just in need of guidance.
    Also these people may be putting in the work, but they are taking the whole "work harder, not smarter" approach and thus are failing anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author iainliddle
      Originally Posted by Devid farah View Post

      I agree that taking no action, then whining about your lack of magical instant success, is a terrible approach to IM. But some people may just not know how to do IM right. Maybe they have been trying, or haven't been trying and are "whining" on forums to get better ideas on what they should be doing.
      I wouldn't be so quick to judge someone who expected success without much work; they are just in need of guidance.
      Also these people may be putting in the work, but they are taking the whole "work harder, not smarter" approach and thus are failing anyway.
      Im completely new to internet marketing and have been trying to make money online for 5 months now with no luck atall. The problem i have is i dont know where to start? i dont want to be cheeky but could any1 tell me how they made there first 10 bucks online? and if that was the turning point for them to go on to succeed in IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        Originally Posted by iainliddle View Post


        Im completely new to internet marketing and have been trying to make money online for 5 months now with no luck atall. The problem i have is i dont know where to start? i dont want to be cheeky but could any1 tell me how they made there first 10 bucks online? and if that was the turning point for them to go on to succeed in IM.
        There are a lot of ways to "make your first 10 bucks online" - and it's an awesome feeling when you do make that first few dollars!
        It does require perseverance though. Choose your favorite method of IM, be it affiliate marketing or blogging with adsense, and stick with it. That will get you your first few dollars and many more!
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      • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
        Originally Posted by iainliddle View Post

        Im completely new to internet marketing and have been trying to make money online for 5 months now with no luck atall. The problem i have is i dont know where to start? i dont want to be cheeky but could any1 tell me how they made there first 10 bucks online? and if that was the turning point for them to go on to succeed in IM.

        I have been doing IM for exactly the same lenght of time as you (5 months) and have made some sales. Before starting did you learn the required skills and did you have a specific strategy? Without any of these, I think it will be extremely hard. Basically you need to be aiming at something in order to achieve it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Often its better to say..

    "Dont just do something, stand there"

    Effort wont always equate to earnings. Its much more complicated than that. What I believe makes the difference is education, learning, and knowledge.

    Only once you have that, can you apply "purposeful effort" which brings the most important aspect of all...

    RESULTS.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

      Lousy plans aren't lousy...lol. I look at everything as a learning experience and try to snatch positives from it all. Those "lousy" plans help you learn. If you're not capable of learning then of course you need to move on. Tweak, Tweak, Tweak those lousy plans until they become good plans. If you don't have a mentor in place, this is almost your only option.

      Tweaking is a result of trying....

      It all boils down to you executing a plan...lousy plan or not....The least you could do is try.
      I'm sorry to be the devil's advocate, but although I agree with your sentiment, I also feel that these platitudes are too wishy washy for most people to act on responsibly or to really mean anything.

      For example, you say a lousy plan can't be lousy (meaning it's good, as long as it's a plan.)

      Well, what if you came to me asking how to make a quick $50k this month, and I replied... "go rob a bank. here's the vault codes, here's a shotgun, here's your security pass, here's where to park the car..."

      Would that still be a good plan? Assuming you don't get shot or arrested, and that you have no morals or guilty conscience, then sure, it's the perfect plan, right?

      I know this metaphor is taking it a bit far, but the point remains... just trying to act on any old plan is futile.

      Sure, trying is great, but trying alone means nothing... just like trying a "good plan" means nothing either.

      The answer is to formulate a relevant plan that you can execute and predict a certain outcome... and then try without fail to achieve that goal.

      Then fix the inevitable problems, set backs and complications... then continue with your plan.

      When you do that, you're not really "trying", rather "executing."
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      • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
        If all it took was to work hard and take action then I could just buy a shovel and dig till I drop.

        I can knock up a quick Amazon type site and take some money quite easily. The steps are really simple ... Find a niche, write some content and reviews, build a site, do some SEO and get some targeted traffic to that site and push the visitor towards the products. That is all I need to do, nothing else.

        There are many inexperienced marketers doing exactly that, following those exact steps and still not earning a penny no matter how hard they try, and no matter how many sites they build.

        From the perspective of the inexperienced, my plan is identical to what they are doing themselves.

        The only action to take is to figure out why it works for me and so many others, but not for them. Unfortunately, this IMO seems to be the only action they don't take.
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        • Profile picture of the author goindeep
          Exacto-Mondo Bill! I like you're work analogy. It is spot on. I also think adding to this is; people should try to figure out the cause to the non-action. Because there could potentially be something really serious that is holding them back.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      They say that a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. Usually attributed to Confucius, I believe. Unfortunately, history lost four very important words - "in the right direction"...

      If you head out in the wrong direction, you may eventually circle back to your starting point, but the only way you would reach your destination is blind luck.

      Say you wanted to walk from the Pacific to the Atlantic. You set off from Malibu, trying your darnedest. But you end up walking in circles until you're ready to collapse.

      You grab a nearby stranger, and ask them how far it is to the Atlantic. "Dude" they say. "You're still in California, man!"

      "But I've been trying to get to the Atlantic for days. I'm about to collapse..."

      "Dude, you're still in Malibu. You must not have been trying very hard..."

      Instead, what if the stranger said, "Dude, get on this highway and follow it towards the sun until your shadow disappears. Rest a bit, then follow your shadow until the sun goes down."

      With that feedback, you could eventually go from the Pacific to the Atlantic.

      Better yet, the guy says "Dude, hop a plane to Panama, and go to the west end of the canal. Follow the canal, keeping it on your right side. The next big body of water you see will be the Atlantic."

      Trying isn't everything. Knowing when to quit trying, regroup and do something else is important, too

      In fairness to the OP, though, to complete that journey of a thousand miles Confucius talked about, you still have to take that first step.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Effort wont always equate to earnings. Its much more complicated than that. What I believe makes the difference is education, learning, and knowledge.
      One of the better quotes I've heard on this came from a project management instructor I had once:

      "Doing things right is no substitute for doing the right things."
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  • Profile picture of the author dialseo
    I'm finding this forum to be invaluable in progressing with IM. I've been on opposite ends, as web developer and marketer to other projects but now I'm ready to build my own online empire.

    Thanks for the words of inspiration folks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
      I'm not trying to rub anyone the wrong way here but I don't think some of you guys are understanding my point.

      I understand that you have to have the right plan in place. I know that you must be educated.

      I don't believe the right plan will just fall from the sky....I don't think knowledge will just pour into your brain from nowhere...lol.

      How do we obtain the right plan? How do we get the knowledge we need to be successful?

      Everything stems from effort. Effort is indeed the building block. Without effort you have nothing. Nothing at all. Therefore, I'm still standing behind my belief that effort is indeed everything.

      Effort enables us to learn, Effort allows us to seek the right plan/product....we must take action....action is effort.

      I started this thread because I know there's people out there who was guilty of the same things I was guilty of....sitting there wondering where's the money? You have a good plan, you even have the education...but you sit there and read the forums all day, checking stats and emails.....but where is the effort that you actually put into your business? You put more effort in forum posts, chatting and checking emails than you do writing articles or whatever you're trying to do.....that's why you don't make the money you think you should make....use your time wisely.
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      • Profile picture of the author emailer
        Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

        I'm not trying to rub anyone the wrong way here but I don't think some of you guys are understanding my point.

        I understand that you have to have the right plan in place. I know that you must be educated.

        I don't believe the right plan will just fall from the sky....I don't think knowledge will just pour into your brain from nowhere...lol.

        How do we obtain the right plan? How do we get the knowledge we need to be successful?

        Everything stems from effort. Effort is indeed the building block. Without effort you have nothing. Nothing at all. Therefore, I'm still standing behind my belief that effort is indeed everything.

        Effort enables us to learn, Effort allows us to seek the right plan/product....we must take action....action is effort.

        I started this thread because I know there's people out there who was guilty of the same things I was guilty of....sitting there wondering where's the money? You have a good plan, you even have the education...but you sit there and read the forums all day, checking stats and emails.....but where is the effort that you actually put into your business? You put more effort in forum posts, chatting and checking emails than you do writing articles or whatever you're trying to do.....that's why you don't make the money you think you should make....use your time wisely.
        I totally agree. Most of the people who can't make money are actually not putting any effort into it. They just read forums, emails hoping that the money will come to their hands.
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        • Profile picture of the author windwhirl
          I have to agree with Neil Morgan. Trying is not everything. I once tried to to work but got tempted with forums along the way, so the day ended without being able to finish what I started.. not being able to do my work. So there, trying could be a good started but is not everything. A number of days having that same result made me decide to just identify working hours from non working hours. Strict implementation is the key and before you know it, you're making much more than you expected.
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        • Profile picture of the author Haphiza
          You do have to keep trying and change things that are not working. By doing this you will eventually come across something that works.

          Haphiza Baboolal
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Yes, I agree. Making money is intentional. Thank you for the post.
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    • Profile picture of the author wassnerwone
      I cant sit here and not post anything on here due to the fact that i am new. I am not making much doing IM however i have just started.

      I know there will be a lot of learning. the biggest thing i have done is exactly what this thread is all about.

      TAKE ACTION.

      i have learned and failed and tried again. i think i know about what i am doing now and haven't been spending as much time on here as i did when i first started out.

      I think it will take time for any newbie to learn enough to get going but at some point you will haev to catch on and make moves to make money
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    • Profile picture of the author Page-One
      My 2 cents:

      1. Work. It takes hard, consistent work to succeed at this. Don't throw up a great site, do some on-site SEO, then expect 24 hours of off-site SEO to bring a traffic avalanche. Pump some off-site SEO toward your site every day you live and breathe.
      2. Flexibility. If after all the hard work, the payoff is too low or even zippo, don't keep repeating what isn't working. You know...the old definition of insanity: to keep on doing what isn't working, each time expecting a different outcome. So if you've worked hard and given it a decent chance to succeed...yet it ISN'T succeeding, stop immediately and re-assess. What should you change? What can you "tweak"? What are you NOT doing that those succeeding are doing?
      3. Focus. Don't be distracted by TV, surfing the Net (especially Facebook, friends and neighbors), or even scads of time on the good old WF. And focus also means not jumping from one I.M. option to another. If you're focused on Facebook, then don't try simultaneously to focus on Amazon or CPA or list building or Adsense or....you get the idea.
      4. Attitude. If you're going to do this, refuse to listen to naysayers. And the biggest naysayer is inside your own head. If you think you can't, you're right. If you think you can, you're also right. A few years ago, I fought a three-year battle against aggressive cancer. I knew it could beat me, but I wasn't about to give that dragon an inch or live in fear and be intimidated. I would focus totally on fighting back and living.
      5. Learn. Internet Marketing isn't a solo endeavor. The more you network with others...especially those who are succeeding...the better your results. And don't be in too big a rush to become a "guru" or confine your learning to what they say. You can learn amazing things from absolute newbies if you keep your ears on.
      6. Give. The nature and one great goal of I.M. is to generate profits...to bring in money. But the way this universe is set up is that the more you give, the more you get...and the more you try to get, the less you have. You've heard it a gazillion times, but it's true: Help enough people to get what they want, and you'll end up getting what you want.
      OK...maybe that was more like 6 cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave90210
        How long should you give something when you decide it's not working?


        Originally Posted by Page-One View Post

        My 2 cents:

        1. Work. It takes hard, consistent work to succeed at this. Don't throw up a great site, do some on-site SEO, then expect 24 hours of off-site SEO to bring a traffic avalanche. Pump some off-site SEO toward your site every day you live and breathe.
        2. Flexibility. If after all the hard work, the payoff is too low or even zippo, don't keep repeating what isn't working. You know...the old definition of insanity: to keep on doing what isn't working, each time expecting a different outcome. So if you've worked hard and given it a decent chance to succeed...yet it ISN'T succeeding, stop immediately and re-assess. What should you change? What can you "tweak"? What are you NOT doing that those succeeding are doing?
        3. Focus. Don't be distracted by TV, surfing the Net (especially Facebook, friends and neighbors), or even scads of time on the good old WF. And focus also means not jumping from one I.M. option to another. If you're focused on Facebook, then don't try simultaneously to focus on Amazon or CPA or list building or Adsense or....you get the idea.
        4. Attitude. If you're going to do this, refuse to listen to naysayers. And the biggest naysayer is inside your own head. If you think you can't, you're right. If you think you can, you're also right. A few years ago, I fought a three-year battle against aggressive cancer. I knew it could beat me, but I wasn't about to give that dragon an inch or live in fear and be intimidated. I would focus totally on fighting back and living.
        5. Learn. Internet Marketing isn't a solo endeavor. The more you network with others...especially those who are succeeding...the better your results. And don't be in too big a rush to become a "guru" or confine your learning to what they say. You can learn amazing things from absolute newbies if you keep your ears on.
        6. Give. The nature and one great goal of I.M. is to generate profits...to bring in money. But the way this universe is set up is that the more you give, the more you get...and the more you try to get, the less you have. You've heard it a gazillion times, but it's true: Help enough people to get what they want, and you'll end up getting what you want.
        OK...maybe that was more like 6 cents.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Dave90210 View Post

          How long should you give something when you decide it's not working?
          Long enough for it to work if it's going to work.

          I recommend people continue article marketing for 90 days before they even try to figure out whether it's working.

          But you can generally tell whether an AdWords campaign is working in a matter of hours.
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          • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            Long enough for it to work if it's going to work.

            I recommend people continue article marketing for 90 days before they even try to figure out whether it's working.

            But you can generally tell whether an AdWords campaign is working in a matter of hours.
            I guess this is why I like ranking sites as opposed to article marketing, I'd hate to spend 3 months writing (something I hate anyway) before I found out the articles didnt work and didnt convert into site visitors.

            I'm always puzzled why anyone would want to write for article directorys anyway, it's like having one extra shield in the way of your offer.

            Edit: I do use directorys but not for my Shakesperean posts, just backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author donb01
    LOL there goes my hopes of sitting around the house watching tv and becomming a millionaire from internet and daydreaming of being rich ie "the secret"

    You just gave out the ultimate secret of success

    Nothing good happens without effort and at times struggle
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    Lol, that's right on the money. Alot of people spend 9/10th's of their day browsing on how to make money when they usually already know the answer. It's usually through persistence and tweaking.
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  • Profile picture of the author lightraymarketing
    There are plenty of ways to make money online! All you have to do is seek them. Seek and you WILL find. I'm so sure of that I guarantee you will have success! You just need to stick with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author nelaffiliate
    Good advice!

    We all need to start taking this as a business. Imagine if you were working with an Information Technology business on a daily basis. If your job was basically to write articles on a daily basis or do backlinking, how would you go about it?

    Would you tell your boss that you don't have time to complete all the things you need to do?.... No, you won't. So treat this like an office job and do what you need to do to get results.

    Create an office like space at home and start working.... you will see good results when you are persistent.
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      If a person can buckle down and focus on just one traffic generation strategy and on one conversion strategy... that's when the magic starts to happen.

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      • Profile picture of the author DavidMaddux
        There are some great points made throughout this thread.

        Mark Twain once said (with a coy smile on his face, I'm sure) "Continuous improvement is always better than delayed perfection."

        Speaking for myself only, I know I spent way too much time "delaying perfection" by trying to make sure everything was perfect first. In sales that's called "getting ready to get ready", and it can steal all of your productive time.

        On the other hand, once I started "trying", I was able to "continuously improve", learn and grow with confidence.

        I'm still far from "perfection" but "continuously improving" everyday, because I'm actually "trying".

        Does anyone else find these forum threads cathartic?

        Best wishes.
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      • Profile picture of the author miroskala
        All I do for my success is hard work... There is no success yet because I've just started... But everytime I was browsing this forum as a guest I spotted a thread like this one - with people advising not to go around and look for a miracle, better get to work...

        That's probably why this is my first post here...

        The other reason is that I joint the Warriors one hour ago...

        So hello to everyone and to your success (and mine as well:p)

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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by miroskala View Post

          All I do for my success is hard work... There is no success yet because I've just started... But everytime I was browsing this forum as a guest I spotted a thread like this one - with people advising not to go around and look for a miracle, better get to work...

          That's probably why this is my first post here...

          The other reason is that I joint the Warriors one hour ago...

          So hello to everyone and to your success (and mine as well:p)

          Miro

          Good luck guys.

          Read and implement, then read some more and then implement some more.

          This place is a gold mine and one marketer I know in here just launced a 20k a month online business membership just from using a WSO.

          Pretty cool ey...but you have to work to get to that level of course.
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          • Profile picture of the author marketanalyzer
            Originally Posted by celente View Post

            This place is a gold mine and one marketer I know in here just launced a 20k a month online business membership just from using a WSO.

            Pretty cool ey...but you have to work to get to that level of course.
            completely agree with this. internet is a vast world. so it gives you plenty of diversified opportunity. in my practical experience i have also seen lots people build their own businesses over the internet just from scratches.
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  • Profile picture of the author myrnasy
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    I keep seeing threads where people are complaining about not making money online. There's a simple solution to that. Stop browsing and chatting, get to work.

    I've had times where I haven't made any money, it wasn't because the money wasn't out there to be made or because a method was dead...it was because I didn't put forth the effort.

    If you pour all your effort into making things work, you will get results. Eventually through your testing, you'll find something that works. You just have to be consistent.

    I started article marketing about 3 weeks ago. I wrote maybe 10 articles and waited for sales...they weren't coming in. I was about to give up. Thankfully, I didn't I started to wonder why I wasn't making sales...so I researched and I tweaked things. I kept making little changes until I saw results...yesterday, I earned $95 as a result.

    You can't be lazy, making money online is like any job...you have to work, otherwise, you don't get paid.
    Excellent post! When you got information, when you have read something worthwhile, actualize it and make it a reality.

    I've experienced once reading a very informative article about making money online and I felt excitement in doing it, but I never initiated a move, maybe because I was indolent or 'twas due to hectic schedules. At the end, I realized I gained nothing but unsatisfied. So, I read again articles relating to money making in the Internet and started making some efforts. My efforts are evetually worthy and there's a great progress.
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Great that is some motivational thread for anyone that still wondering the formula to make money online, as you said there will be no $$ coming in if we only dreaming, start some action to make it happen.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Bill, you have a great attitude for the online moneymaking environment.

    Even though you're relatively new at this, you have already made real money online. It's all about figuring out how to do things a certain way in order to get the results you want. Oh, and sticking with it and not quitting when things don't work out as planned.
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  • Profile picture of the author alcarrerra
    I agree 100% ... I need to work harder !
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Bill, you didn't rub me the wrong way, and I did get your point. I just didn't buy it when you said 'trying is everything' and I don't buy it when you say 'effort is everything'.

      Intelligent, directed effort coupled with observation and thinking are indeed essential. But brute effort isn't everything.

      Say someone starts out with article marketing. They really, really try, straining with the effort. But their articles suck, the resource boxes are uninspiring, maybe even nonfunctional.

      If trying and effort were indeed everything, that person could be assured of success just by continuing to pump out crappy articles. We both know that isn't likely to happen.

      Heck, maybe we just need to redefine effort to include pauses for analysis and identification of the reasons for a lack of success. Include focused learning and skill improvement. Include thinking. Add all those to brute effort, and we might be getting somewhere.

      Lest you think I'm arguing to pass the time, I do agree that many of the people throwing up their hands in surrender have never put up a real fight to start with. There was a fellow awhile back who claimed he'd been working on IM for three years without making a penny. A closer look revealed that the guy had put up two thin websites and submitted 6 articles. He wasn't really trying, he was playing at being an "Internet Marketer'...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    JohnMcCabe,

    You don't get better at anything until you put forth the effort. I'm a firm believer that practice makes perfect. If a person has the motivation, drive and puts for the effort everything you've said will fall under that but the person has to want to do it....I keep stressing that knowledge just won't fall from the sky....the perfect article isn't going to write itself....you have to want to research and find out how to write good articles and that comes from effort.

    effort is the foundation.....without it, you will fail....
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

      JohnMcCabe,

      effort is the foundation.....without it, you will fail....
      We're getting closer, Bill. I can agree with this, especially the back half.

      But like a solid building, the foundation is only part of the whole. You also need walls, a roof, etc. To make those work, you need good materials and some directed skill in using them.

      Raw materials + skills + planning - effort = failure

      Effort - raw materials - skills - planning = failure

      Effort + raw materials + skills + planning = eventual success, barring some external force.
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Exactly! And usually internet marketing requires more effort and more time invested (at least at the beginning) than a regular job. People think IM is some "push button" key to success. No way, you have to work, A LOT and SMART! If you put in those 10,000 hours I doubt you will be whining that you aren't getting any sales and conversions.
    Originally Posted by Bill_Lawrence View Post

    I keep seeing threads where people are complaining about not making money online. There's a simple solution to that. Stop browsing and chatting, get to work.

    I've had times where I haven't made any money, it wasn't because the money wasn't out there to be made or because a method was dead...it was because I didn't put forth the effort.

    If you pour all your effort into making things work, you will get results. Eventually through your testing, you'll find something that works. You just have to be consistent.

    I started article marketing about 3 weeks ago. I wrote maybe 10 articles and waited for sales...they weren't coming in. I was about to give up. Thankfully, I didn't I started to wonder why I wasn't making sales...so I researched and I tweaked things. I kept making little changes until I saw results...yesterday, I earned $95 as a result.

    You can't be lazy, making money online is like any job...you have to work, otherwise, you don't get paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Ist sig link rubs me the wrong way. :| Though I am sure it 'sells' well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
    Ive got to admit that I'm one of the laziest SOB,s online.

    It is true though, once you have a formula that works, its just a case of putting the effort and work in to make more.

    This isnt hard !

    Compared to some jobs I,ve had, this is childs play, physycally and mentally. The only hard part about it is the being in danger of boredom.

    2 things .... system/formula + effort.

    Take away one of those and it fails.

    I went to a Tech college when I was younger studying Electrical engineering, the first week of the first year was harder than what I have learnt online. The Big difference online is you dont really have anyone to go through the motions with, this makes it seem far far more difficult than it is when you inevitably become unsure of whether you are going about things the right way. This is why I have said numerous times "dont overthink" your online strategy.

    IE - Find a simple but solid system (there are many) and then put effort in by means of seo, on-site seo and site promotion by other means. Nothing more to it from what I have seen. ................ Oh, then scale it up
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    Good points! It's all about trying things and continually tweaking your methods until you find what works. Just never give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
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    You're BOTH on the right track and saying essentially the same thing.

    Putting forth effort is absolutely required.

    Putting that effort forth on a solid path is required.

    My addition:
    Fail spectacularly, but quickly.
    Adapt and overcome.

    All success.

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  • Profile picture of the author jeanniegiordano
    It can be hard sometimes to come up with the right business model. Once you find something that works for you, it's all about scaling and pushing the envelope. The most important thing is persistence, and lots of willingness to try different methods until something shows hope.
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