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Allen Graves Walks The Walk

by Steven Wagenheim
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Allen Graves asked me to try out his article directory. Said it should perform
just as well as Ezine Articles if not better.

So I took him up on his offer.

To compare apples to apples, I submitted an article to EZA on Nov 4.

I submitted the SAME exact article to Allen's directory the next day, Nov 5.

The views gotten from the article submitted to Allen's directory are almost
twice as many as the views from EZA.

Now, here is what I discovered.

At the start, EZA's views are quicker. but die out faster.

Allen's directory starts slow but then continues to rise over time.

So for whatever reason, my articles must be either ranking higher in the
SEs or, because maybe there aren't as many articles to go through, they
are easier to find.

Again, I can't really explain the better performance but it's there.

So my hat's off to Allen. He said I'd get just as good results if not better
and he was right.

So now I have to start submitting more articles to his directory.

Naturally, this may vary depending on your niche, so by all means, do
the same test. Submit the same article to EZA and Allen's directory and
see which one performs better. Give it about 2 to 4 weeks because as I
said, Allen's directory is slower out of the gate.

Hope this helps somebody.
#allen #graves #walk #walks
  • Profile picture of the author Tenzo
    Thanks for posting your results. Can you post the URL of Allen's site? Or would you prefer if interested people contacted him directly?

    Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Tenzo View Post

      Thanks for posting your results. Can you post the URL of Allen's site? Or would you prefer if interested people contacted him directly?

      Thanks again.
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      I'd prefer if you just contacted Allen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Can somebody please tell me where I have insulted another Warrior
    with my post?

    I just received an infraction for insulting another Warrior.

    My God, I can't believe some of the stuff that I have to deal with.

    Here I am stating that somebody's directory performed for me and that's an
    INSULT?

    Know what? I give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
      Infractions are a strange beast - they manage to disappear all by themselves

      I think that the same study over a longer time period and with a larger batch of articles (and perhaps different niches) would yield very interesting results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by KarlWarren View Post

        Infractions are a strange beast - they manage to disappear all by themselves

        I think that the same study over a longer time period and with a larger batch of articles (and perhaps different niches) would yield very interesting results.
        We'll await your results Karl with baited breath! []

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    • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
      I checked Allens directory yesterday. I think it's a promising concept. (Apart from the design maybe, but that can be improved over time.)

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Know what? I give up.
      Steven, that doesn't sound like you.

      But I agree it's hard to understand why that post received an infraction.

      Ralf
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

        I checked Allens directory yesterday. I think it's a promising concept. (Apart from the design maybe, but that can be improved over time.)


        Steven, that doesn't sound like you.

        But I agree it's hard to understand why that post received an infraction.

        Ralf
        Get kicked around by certain people here long enough and you'll understand
        why I said that. It's easy to say to somebody "doesn't sound like you" until
        you understand that they've had that stick poked in their side for almost
        2 years now. It's getting tiresome.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Get kicked around by certain people here long enough and you'll understand
          why I said that. It's easy to say to somebody "doesn't sound like you" until
          you understand that they've had that stick poked in their side for almost
          2 years now. It's getting tiresome.
          I understand that.

          Unfortunately it's always that way: the more exposure (attention) someone has, the more people use him as target for negative campaigns. It's frustrating, but nothing that can be prevented.

          The good side is: the more you get slapped, the more attention you obviously have - which is good for business.

          I know that doesn't really help on the emotional side, but what can one do except continuing on his path...

          Ralf
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      • Profile picture of the author Emailrevealer
        I'd like to check out Allens site. Can you post the link?










        Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

        I checked Allens directory yesterday. I think it's a promising concept. (Apart from the design maybe, but that can be improved over time.)


        Steven, that doesn't sound like you.

        But I agree it's hard to understand why that post received an infraction.

        Ralf
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark McWilliams
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      I just received an infraction for insulting another Warrior.
      Someone gave me one a while back for a similar invalid reason!... :confused:

      Thanks for the post though Steven, nice to see some different results from
      other warriors sites/products! And looking on the plus side of things, you'll get
      more links back to your sites from various other sites too. (Article Directory)

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    How do you know if you receive an infraction?

    I guess this post could be deemed promoting your buddy's site just like the Harlan thread. Pretty silly though in my opinion.

    I guess I'll check Allen Graves sig for the link to his article directory.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      How do you know if you receive an infraction?

      I guess this post could be deemed promoting your buddy's site just like the Harlan thread. Pretty silly though in my opinion.

      I guess I'll check Allen Graves sig for the link to his article directory.
      Ron, Allen, while a nice enough guy, is not my buddy and I get nothing out
      of this other than just to report that EZA isn't the only game in town even
      though I personally believed it was. I was extremely skeptical, but the
      results speak for themselves.

      What this has taught me is that I need to be more open minded about
      things because there was a time I wouldn't have even bothered trying.
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    • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
      Originally Posted by richt1971 View Post

      We'll await your results Karl with baited breath! []

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      Not me sunshine taking a looooooong break from IM and work in general once my current to do list is finished.

      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      How do you know if you receive an infraction?

      I guess this post could be deemed promoting your buddy's site just like the Harlan thread. Pretty silly though in my opinion.

      I guess I'll check Allen Graves sig for the link to his article directory.
      I think the system sends a PM to the infractee.

      Silly indeed - but each to their own. Others can see the infraction in the icons below an individual post. Clicking the icon reveals the reason - and the infractor.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      I guess this post could be deemed promoting your buddy's site just like the Harlan thread. Pretty silly though in my opinion.
      Whoever infracted Steven probably just jumped the gun. This post is nothing like Harlan's. Steve is not pretending to help members, he actually is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
    Steven,

    What about click-throughs to your site? Better than at EZA?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Chris Hunter View Post

      Steven,

      What about click-throughs to your site? Better than at EZA?
      According to my AWStats, the CTR is the same, as it should be. It's
      the same article doing the same good, or bad job. So if the CTR is the
      same, then getting more views is going to get you more sales.

      So far, this particular product is now converting at about 3%, which for me
      is great. Most of the stuff I promote is around 1 to 2% tops. So I am very
      pleased with this campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
    Great! Thanks for the info, Steven!
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    Ok, sure. You can follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/Chris_Hunter ;)

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  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    Allen's directory is amazing! I'm embarrassed to say -- I've been a member for over a month and haven't submitted.

    He really is all about the writers. You'll also find amazing article writing tips + get his article marketing book free. I've read (and ghostwritten) tons of article marketing ebooks -- his is the best.

    It's Website-Articles.net Exclusive Article Submission Platform

    As for the design, what in the world do you have against it Ralf? Lol. It's really cool in my opinion and totally focused on the author and not making the owner money. I'm not getting on you, just curious about what you would change

    Thanks for reminding me that I have to take advantage of my membership, Steven.

    *blush*

    Do keep us updated on your programs Steven -- it's always good to find more than one avenue for submissions
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    • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
      Originally Posted by Jenn Dize View Post

      As for the design, what in the world do you have against it Ralf? Lol. It's really cool in my opinion and totally focused on the author and not making the owner money. I'm not getting on you, just curious about what you would change
      There's one crucial change I'd suggest:

      right now the width expands to your total window width. I have a large monitor and thus the lines are extremely long. As we know in IM long lines aren't good for readability, so I'd definitely change to a fixed width design for the main content area.

      The rest is a matter of taste of course. To me it looks a bit old fashioned. It clearly puts content first - which is an excellent choice. Doing that calls for a modern looking web 2.0 design.

      A web2.0 design would even help positioning the directory. The claim is:
      We're simply changing the way article directories do business.
      Now imagine a fresh look like apple.com (a very typical web2.0 look) instead of the told article direcory style. That would fit the claim perfectly.


      But again: good directory and promising concept!

      Just my 2 cents.

      Ralf
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
        Originally Posted by Ralf Skirr View Post

        right now the width expands to your total window width. I have a large monitor and thus the lines are extremely long. As we know in IM long lines aren't good for readability, so I'd definitely change to a fixed width design for the main content area.
        Just curious- if that is too wide for you, why do you have your browser window so big?

        What is the point of Allen fixing his site width at, say, 800 pixels while your browser window is 2000 wide? Is there some great benefit to having lots of empty pixels?

        I'm sure if he made it fixed width, somebody else would complain it was too narrow on their screen.

        This is a bit like calling the TV station to complain that their shows look too big on your 100 inch TV.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ralf Skirr
          Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

          Just curious- if that is too wide for you, why do you have your browser window so big?

          What is the point of Allen fixing his site width at, say, 800 pixels while your browser window is 2000 wide? Is there some great benefit to having lots of empty pixels?

          I'm sure if he made it fixed width, somebody else would complain it was too narrow on their screen.

          This is a bit like calling the TV station to complain that their shows look too big on your 100 inch TV.
          Chris,

          I'm doing a lot of stuff in my browser window besides reading
          articles and I'm moving and resizing windows a lot between 2
          monitors.

          Fixed width layouts actually are quite popular and considered
          good usability. Have you noticed that most sales letters use
          it?

          Email marketers sometimes even break lines at 35 characters
          for easy reading.

          Regarding the TV example: I would never complain, I watch
          DVDs sitting in my bed looking at a 2.70 m screen.

          The web site formatting would not apply to a TV screen as TV
          is rarely used to read lengthy text. And if it was, the text
          would get bigger (which makes reading easier) but it would not
          have plenty more words per line.

          I doubt that anybody would complain that an article doesn't
          spread to 2000 pixels.

          The most flexible solution while maintaining good readability
          would be a design that sets minimum and maximum width and
          allows flexibility within.

          Ralf
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Coverdale
            Steven,

            I give you an anti-infraction for the good info you have given here. I know it doesn't do anything in the stats but at least you know theres a lot more people thanking you for your posts than getting "offended" by it.

            People can be very petty.
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    Very cool, Ralf! Stuff I would never think of, but it all makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Way to go Allen...I'm glad to hear this directory is taking off. I've been keeping my eye on it for some time.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazzyjeff
    Thanks Steven,

    I am going to attempt the same test with my article on EZA and Mr. Allen's site. I will reveal the results in a future post. Hope my results will help others on this forum.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    <edited July 2009>

    I have made the pages a fixed widt now. And I am in talks with another Warrior to redesign the site once again - hopefully to a more web 2.0 style

    </edit>

    Holy cow, I've been out all day with the wife and kids and I came back to find this thread. Thanks for the kind words, Steven...and everyone else.

    I'll not speak about my site for obvious reasons...but I'd say that the infraction you received Steven was just as much aimed at me as it was at you. I've been closely watched by this person since I made my stupid mistakes back when I was playing around with Patrick.

    I learned my lesson, but some people are still hanging on to those days and believe that anyone who speaks nicely of me are plotting something evil. LOL

    Anyhow, thanks for the kudos and good luck with your future submissions. I'm honored to have you as a member of my already kick-butt author base!

    Oh yea, one more thing - I wonder if you'd have received an infraction had you started a thread about how EzineArticles.com is just as good as...oh...say, articlesbase. I doubt you would have been questioned at all. Ya think?

    Thanks Steven.

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    thanks steve, i may check them out. I have been having great luck with articledahsboard and goarticles lately and was looking for another option to add to the arsenal
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  • Profile picture of the author Canada
    Thanks for bringing this directory to my attention. I've been trying to get back to basics, as I really need to start making some tangible income vs. just paying for my "hobby", but I've been reluctant to begin submitting articles again to EZA. I think I'm going to give Allen's directory a try, and substitute his directory for EZA in my process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Okay here is a breakdown of numerous articles I have submitted to both. I won't give the actual links because I don't want it to be seen as self promo but heres some to compare, I will even include some of my first articles which were crap lol.

    EZA WA Date Published
    Article 1 66 83 May 5th 2008
    Article 2 169 502 May 7th 2008
    Article 3 73 94 May 19th 2008
    Article 4 24 26 Nov 11th 2008

    And the list goes on. Very very few that I have published with EZA in the long run outdo WA stats and I find the CTR on WA is usually higher (less bleeding areas on the page.) And these samples are all in very different niches and are by far low performers.
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  • Profile picture of the author oregongal
    I for one want to thank Steven! I am a recent member of Allen's article directory and find this info extremely useful. It has also spurred me on to start a comparison to my articles on Ezine and those on Allen's site. None of them on Allen's site are a month old yet though, so I feel like I'll know more after a month to six weeks. Thanks again Steven!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Man..I am like Jenn Dize. I pay for this thing, but have not submitted. I was just about to get rid of the membership. I will keep it now and start to submit.
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  • Profile picture of the author mudmat
    Has his article directory been up for a while or is it totally new?

    Hmm.. How can Allen's article directory be better than EZA?
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by mudmat View Post

      Has his article directory been up for a while or is it totally new?

      Hmm.. How can Allen's article directory be better than EZA?
      It has been online since 2005.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Gallivan
    Hi Steven

    I'm so glad you posted this. I was looking at the site in question over the weekend and have also spoken to Allen about it. I think it looks a great site and am thinking of joining.

    Now that you have tested an article there and I respect and value your opinion on it with the test you did, I think I'm going to jump in as soon as I can.

    Please don't ever give up Steven, we all need you here and I still need you here or I'll never improve my articles. If I can get to even half as good as you are at article writing I'll be pleased. I'm learning from you all the time and will get there one day.

    Best wishes

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      He Allen,

      You are doing a great job. I'll join soon.

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    Whoever gave Steven an infraction needs a serious kick in the butt!

    Allen, I can't wait to try your directory out. I've tons of articles to submit!
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Hey Steve..

    Thank you VERY much for sharing your results... it's good of you, many people could have kept this one under their hat and mined for gold quietly...

    You rock, dude!!

    Peace

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      Jay, I've found that this is all part of the "Wagenheim Experience"......

      He continually gives back to this community.


      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Hey Steve..

      Thank you VERY much for sharing your results... it's good of you, many people could have kept this one under their hat and mined for gold quietly...

      You rock, dude!!

      Peace

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    It used to tell you who gave you an infraction...
    But yeah it was probably Allen's stalker who no one else on the forum likes either...
    So your ok hehe...
    Probably because you didn't fill that "PIAB" order for him Allen LOL

    Allen is a cool guy that will help you if he can...and provides killer information in the handbook he has out...and does a great job running his article site...
    Anyone wants to give me an infraction for saying that go ahead...but I will call you out on it hehe...
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    I'm thinking about giving this directory a shot, since I've never really heard of it previously.

    The thing I want to know though, is it worth the $10 monthly membership? Have you seen the results that make it worth that? The only reason I ask, is that I've never seen an article directory charge a membership fee (except EZA's new Premium Membership deal)
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Website-Articles.net doesn't want the general public to think of them as a paid directory...rather a paid article marketing education site with an exclusive directory that can be used by the members.

    So the membership fee is for the ongoing information and education that you receive. The directory is just a bonus for the members.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    To be honest, I was a member of two article directories and YouTube before signing with EzineArticles.

    With a video I get on average 5 visitors a day from by the way.

    Everyone under the sun said how good it was for sending traffic so I signed up EZA. Wrote a cracking article, submitted, waited 7 years for approval, and now get 4 viewers a day (average) for that article.

    4 viewers as opposed to my 5 visitors??

    I thought I had to be a really bad writer or something because everyone was using EZA for worldwide promotion but now it seems.. I was right all along to doubt them.

    Also, I think that's the first time I'd been led the wrong way by a group of Warriors.

    EZA is great for backlinks and I do understand the power of getting your article published but with other directories and video I can more or less guarantee a good bunch of uniques each day.

    By the way, the article I tested in EZA was a 4 step tutorial with a killer resource for 8 more free steps.

    Louis

    P.S. before the usual bunch start telling me how the owner of EZA should ban me for bad-mouthing I want to state: EZA is a great directory but I find other sources better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Ratliff
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Allen Graves asked me to try out his article directory. Said it should perform
    just as well as Ezine Articles if not better.

    So I took him up on his offer.

    To compare apples to apples, I submitted an article to EZA on Nov 4.

    I submitted the SAME exact article to Allen's directory the next day, Nov 5.

    The views gotten from the article submitted to Allen's directory are almost
    twice as many as the views from EZA.

    Now, here is what I discovered.

    At the start, EZA's views are quicker. but die out faster.

    Allen's directory starts slow but then continues to rise over time.

    So for whatever reason, my articles must be either ranking higher in the
    SEs or, because maybe there aren't as many articles to go through, they
    are easier to find.

    Again, I can't really explain the better performance but it's there.

    So my hat's off to Allen. He said I'd get just as good results if not better
    and he was right.

    So now I have to start submitting more articles to his directory.

    Naturally, this may vary depending on your niche, so by all means, do
    the same test. Submit the same article to EZA and Allen's directory and
    see which one performs better. Give it about 2 to 4 weeks because as I
    said, Allen's directory is slower out of the gate.

    Hope this helps somebody.
    Shame on you for trying to post useful information Steve, LOL

    I gotta test this now.

    Thanks for the heads up Steve!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    I started posting articles on WA on the 11th August and have slowly built it up to 25 articles. I have some original articles posted but the majority are articles previously posted at isnare. I'm recycling my work to make the most of it. It's early days and the pick up is slow which is only to be expected. I think that the original articles are getting a little more traffic than the reprints but it's hard to tell. All of the articles posted more than a few days ago are getting some traffc.

    Currently I'm getting about 20 views a day with a ctr about the same as with EA. Ctr is not easy to determine as some of my links point to other articles but I am seeing visitors to my website too. All in all I'm pleased with the results which I believe will increase slowly and I'm adding about 1 article a day.

    To put this in context My first article at EA is dated October 2006 and I have a total of 144 articles. They have produced a total of just over 1 million views. Website-articles is producing 500 views a month to 60,000 a month from Ezinearticles. I think that WA is doing better than EA did for me at the start so I'm more than happy to keep posting articles there.

    I hope this helps.

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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Steve,

      FYI - WA integrates with StatCounter, Woopra and/or Google Analytics.

      You can get some killer information if you use it...including the things you mention above that you aren't so sure about.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
        Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

        Steve,

        FYI - WA integrates with StatCounter, Woopra and/or Google Analytics.

        You can get some killer information if you use it...including the things you mention above that you aren't so sure about.

        AL
        I am using statcounter which shows me a good deal of information but I can't see the links that visitors leave from. There is an "Exit Links" feature in the statcounter statistics menu but it's empty. Am I missing a trick ??

        Funny - I don't have an Exit Links on my other statcounter projects at all ???

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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Originally Posted by howdo-i View Post

          I am using statcounter which shows me a good deal of information but I can't see the links that visitors leave from. There is an "Exit Links" feature in the statcounter statistics menu but it's empty. Am I missing a trick ??

          Funny - I don't have an Exit Links on my other statcounter projects at all ???

          Steve
          Steve, shoot me an email and we'll figure it out.

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          • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
            The results that I get from EZA seem to depend upon the niche that I'm writing in and as I am interested in many things that's quite varied. Overall I get the best results from Article Dashboard and I've usually submitted there weeks later as an afterthought - silly me.

            Allen is one of the most knowledgeable article marketers that I've seen about and his handbook is the best information that I've read about article marketing. So I guess that it's worth paying to join his site for the information alone. Something I didn't do and maybe I will now that results are looking good.

            As for paying to submit articles, there are a handful of directories charging fees about and I have considered going down that road myself. The reason being that I would expect less articles (spam) and of a better quality. That would save me an awful lot of time that I could use to promote my directories more and provide a better service for authors, perhaps that is what Allen and his authors are finding now.

            P.S. Allen didn't pay me to plug his site or handbook!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author stacyfox
          Thanks for posting. I was on the fence about joining until I saw this post.

          By the way, does anyone else think that the "members as moderators" should be able to tag some people like Steven as "uninfractionable"? It seems crazy that people who post so much value should have to deal with cr*p when they develop stupid enemies.
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            Originally Posted by stacyfox View Post

            Thanks for posting. I was on the fence about joining until I saw this post.

            By the way, does anyone else think that the "members as moderators" should be able to tag some people like Steven as "uninfractionable"? It seems crazy that people who post so much value should have to deal with cr*p when they develop stupid enemies.

            It's the green-eyed monster. Very ugly stuff.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

              You mean like the stupid enemy that gave me an infraction for thanking Buddy?

              Some people's children.

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              Allen, don't you mean some people shouldn't have children?
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                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Allen, don't you mean some people shouldn't have children?
                You got that spot on.
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              Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

              You mean like the stupid enemy that gave me an infraction for thanking Buddy?

              Some people's children.

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              Taking 15 days to answer a post is called bumping.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Besides being a TB fan, Allen is a good guy

    He has a great directory that is set up to directly benefit writers....because he is a writer. Anyone that is article marketing that isn't putting at least some of their content there is missing out.
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  • Profile picture of the author cballi
    Thanks for posting this Steve.

    I joined Allen's directory about a month ago mostly to get ahold of his AM guide but have still not posted an article. This is the kick in the behind I needed - off to post my first article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Francis
    funny thing steve my articles are ranking higher then ezine articles with articles base and isnare right now. Same keyword in the title..
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Thank you Patricia, and Steve...the exit links are showing now.

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  • Profile picture of the author k0zm0zs0ul
    How on earth did I miss this thread? Thanks Steve for posting it!
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    • Profile picture of the author nursewriter
      Just wanted to chime in and say that I recently joined Allen's article directory. It is great!

      I read his handbook and am in the process of reading it again. I have wondered for a long time what article marketers are not telling me about getting article views and traffic to their sites.

      Allen gave me the secrets that no one else is willing to share. I was totally blown away be the information provided in his article marketing handbook.

      The great thing is, he doesn't tell you that it's going to be easy. He is quick to point out that if you really want to make a lot of money with article marketing, you have got a lot of work to do!!!

      I am in the process of revamping my article marketing methods right now and I can't wait to see the results!

      Thank you so much Allen!

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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Steven,

    Interesting that your click-through rate is the same. I would think that not having any adsense or banners on your article pages would give you a much higher click-through rate than EZA.

    If the results traffic-wise are the same then I would think Allen's membership site is a no-brainer...especially since you have more control, no advertisements, and can add video/images.

    However, article marketing is a big 'hit 'n miss' game, and I think you'd really need to study this over the course of 100s of article submissions to make a real conclusion.

    I'd love to see your results in a month or two after submitting to both.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    You are very welcome, Lucinda. Please keep me updated!

    Scott, it's only my word, but I do see hundreds of articles get those high CTRs every day. That's what gave me the intestinal fortitude to challenge Steven in the first place. LOL. I knew he'd be completely aboveboard, so I felt comfortable.

    With the tools available, it's more hit than miss, at least compared to the other directories that I have used.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      For anyone that hasn't already figured it out, Allen knows his "stuff" when it comes to article Marketing.

      You get the best of both worlds with him really. This is because he gives tips that help improve rankings/views/clicks, but at the same time tells you ways to do it that are acceptable to directory owners. BECAUSE HE IS ONE!

      I've endorsed every product of his that I have ever seen. Not because we are buddies, but because they are just good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      You are very welcome, Lucinda. Please keep me updated!

      Scott, it's only my word, but I do see hundreds of articles get those high CTRs every day. That's what gave me the intestinal fortitude to challenge Steven in the first place. LOL. I knew he'd be completely aboveboard, so I felt comfortable.

      With the tools available, it's more hit than miss, at least compared to the other directories that I have used.

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      AL, would you recommend submitting to both your directory and EZA...or just to yours?

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I recommend submitting to the places that will get your articles both ranked the highest and seen by the highest number of prospects.

    There's a lot more to it, though.

    Each member has their own unique list of places to submit, based on their niche and a few other factors. In just about every case, EZA is on that list...in some cases, WA is not.

    If they have completed submitting to their list of sites and they wish to additionally submit to WA in order to take advantage of the features, they are encouraged do so.

    So I guess the answer to your question is...both.

    AL

    p.s. Thanks Jeremy. You're stuff isn't too shabby either!
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Umm, I resemble that remark! LOL

    Thanks, Buddy
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    Hey Allen, I didn't know you were a fellow Floridian
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I wanted to update this thread without being accused of bumping. So this is the only way I can do it, by editing an old post.

    Website-Articles.net is now adding a new dimension to our article marketing service - article promotion!

    We are opening a new division of the company called Promote My Article!. This service will take your content submission and submit it to several of the top-rated article directories. You will then choose one of the article directories we have submitted the article to, and we will then begin building niche-related backlinks to the article.

    This will not only boost your article ranking, but will also increase the link juice of the article page and send even more juice to your money sites.

    This will save our members a great deal of time setting up and maintaining linking pyramids and complex wheels.

    Not only that, we will be changing things up frequently based on the results obtained by specific linking strategies.

    Current members are grandfathered in. Future members are soon going to have to pay a little more than we charge at this moment. (Hint, hint)

    More to come on this! We are looking to launch ASAP and compete with the mass article submission services who spam your article to hundreds of article directories. The difference? We do niche-related submissions (which are much more powerful these days) to blogs, social sites, article directories, then aggregate your RSS, bookmark and ping all the links for you!

    Please disregard the following two posts, I apologize for them, and feel free to ask any questions or make comments - good or bad - on our service.

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    Yup!

    I live north of Tampa, Florida...south of Ocala. Beautiful country out here. I love it.

    We should all get together and do a weekend at Disney/Universal Studios. There are quite a lot of Florida Warriors.

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