What Do You Think of Rehashed Information?

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For some reason I've been seeing a lot of comments about "rehashed" content lately. Most of it is derogatory, and often coming from folks still trying to establish themselves in IM.

Like most folks I reckon, I like original content, and I've written a ton of it myself. I can appreciate those who prefer originality and new thinking about time-worn topics.

On the other hand, there are only so many ways to describe things. If you read enough on one subject it's going to all seem like rehashed information. This is true whether you're reading websites, ebooks, print books, or magazines. When you know a topic well enough, it's always the same old in different words.

Newbies can take a big clue from that. If you're finding the information in products you buy is something you already know...

...maybe that's a big clue that you know enough to start taking action!

You're going to learn some things by reading, and some things by doing. If you're reading the same old things, it's time to start doing.

And as far as rehashed content goes, there's room for everyone. Different writers and different styles of writing appeal to different people. And while the thrust of each "rehash" may be very similar, I almost always find at least one or two points that give me food for thought.

Besides, there's duplication in every industry, online and offline. It's called competition. You shouldn't expect it to be any different in IM.

The next time you feel like complaining about rehashed information, think how it would be if there were only one maker of pizza, only one boy wins girl movie, only one of anything with no other products competing.

I like having choices. What about you?
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Nicely said Dennis I am a fan of rehashed info ( PLR ) You just have to know when to use, where to use it, and how to use it. Only unique content on my blog. But for other tasks rehashed info has its uses. I like the way you broke it down good post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Yeah, generally speaking, rehashing is a myth, though there are exceptions.

    I think a better term would be re-angling.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I'm not a big fan of hash.

    Wait...

    What was the question?
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  • Profile picture of the author you2life
    If one method is called rehashed just becasue it was produced by, for example, 100 marketers using different words; it can also be used thousand times by just applying unique twists to it rather crying over buying something you had read.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    If people really think about it, All information for the most part is rehashed.

    Its just presented and organized differently than before.

    As a graphic designer, one of the things we are taught is that designing is simply taking the elements that you know or have been exposed to, but arranging them in new and different ways. Thus, the more elements you have been exposed to and know about, the more elements you can pull from and add to your graphic design work.

    Now, I know you are talking about content, but in my opinion its almost the same.

    Very, very few people come up with something totally new and unique, they just put a great spin or presentation and then repackage.

    They may have 1 or 2 unique ideas maybe, who knows, either way nothing is completely unique. We are limited to 26 letters in the english alphabet and all people use those same letters (if they speak or write english) and they just arrange them in ways that are different than others. But the letters used are all re-hashed.

    I know what I said may sound kinda funny, but its another way to look at things. Honestly, how far can people go with this type of stuff? They can't re-invent the wheel, its already been invented. All they can do, is take bits and pieces of information and rearrange them.

    Now, if some new technology, knowledge or information arises, then yes, that can be considered not re-hashed.

    I promise I am not drinking, smoking or taking any drugs............!
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    There is nothing new under the sun...

    Well, there are computers, and everything outside of the Milky Way, but everything else has been talked about at some point previous.

    It is hard to make a new product based on information that is totally new, but I can assure you that my interpretation of that information may permit you to take new insight about the information you have never realized in the hundreds of times you had seen that information before.

    I have people refund because they say that I completely rehashed known information, yet if you already had the information in a format that was useful to you, why did you buy my product in the first place?

    You are not looking for new information; you are looking for new insights about existing information, right?

    If you want something truly new, travel to planet Xectarious Troy... (If you haven't seen the satellite images yet, they are awesome... Check it out at the link I gave you...)


    "Rehashed" is the favorite drop word of people who think "knowledge" is more important than "insight"...

    Yet, those who truly value "insight" will beat everyone else to the top of the ladder of success...

    Think about that last sentence...

    It really has the potential to change your life forever for the better...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      There is nothing new under the sun...

      Well, there are computers, and everything outside of the Milky Way, but everything else has been talked about at some point previous.

      It is hard to make a new product based on information that is totally new, but I can assure you that my interpretation of that information may permit you to take new insight about the information you have never realized in the hundreds of times you had seen that information before.

      I have people refund because they say that I completely rehashed known information, yet if you already had the information in a format that was useful to you, why did you buy my product in the first place?

      You are not looking for new information; you are looking for new insights about existing information, right?

      If you want something truly new, travel to planet Xectarious Troy... (If you haven't seen the satellite images yet, they are awesome... Check it out on Google at the link I gave you...)


      "Rehashed" is the favorite drop word of people who think "knowledge" is more important than "insight"...

      Yet, those who truly value "insight" will beat everyone else to the top of the ladder of success...

      Think about that last sentence...

      It really has the potential to change your life forever for the better...
      Actually there is nothing new under the sun, because all the elements that will ever exist are already in existance. They just change forms and states....

      Computers are just the same old elements arranged in a new way....
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

        Actually there is nothing new under the sun, because all the elements that will ever exist are already in existance. They just change forms and states....

        Computers are just the same old elements arranged in a new way....

        I agree with you 100%, but every time I have ever used the quote

        There is nothing new under the sun.
        Some Jackwad who has a bone to pick with me shows up to tell me they did not have computers when Solomon put pen to paper to write that, and Jackwad points out that people did not discover galaxies outside the Milky Way until the modern times...

        So, I stole Jackwad's words before he could try to beat me over the head with them... LOL

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        • Profile picture of the author Neil M
          I have gone through a lot of products that were rehashed information and it doesn't bother me. I generally know it's going to be mostly rehashed which is why I skim read and look for tidbits of new information.

          My other thing is this...just because some guru's have taken info and turned it into their super special information product they don't actually own that information. It's not the same as if I own this car and I have the title I am the only one who can sell it. It's just information and is there for the taking.

          The reason people continue to rehash information, especially about IM is because there are new people coming into it everyday and they need to learn the basics. So why can't I be the one to teach them? If I taught a 4th grader math I would be rehashing information. It's the same thing.

          I think the key to make it worth purchasing and not refunding is putting your own twist/personality/system into it.

          Just thought I would add my two cents. Thanks OP for the good post.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by docdizzle View Post

            My other thing is this...just because some guru's have taken info and turned it into their super special information product they don't actually own that information.

            Ideas are eternal and owned by everyone.

            Words strung together as sentences are owned by the person who penned them.

            I hope this is what you were saying?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by docdizzle View Post

            My other thing is this...just because some guru's have taken info and turned it into their super special information product they don't actually own that information. It's not the same as if I own this car and I have the title I am the only one who can sell it. It's just information and is there for the taking.
            Um...that depends on what you mean by "information," doc. If you mean ideas you are correct. Ideas can't be copyrighted. If you mean you can take someone else's words, then you are incorrect. That would be theft of someone else's intellectual property and that can cost you fines, penalties, and even jail time.
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            • Profile picture of the author Neil M
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Um...that depends on what you mean by "information," doc. If you mean ideas you are correct. Ideas can't be copyrighted. If you mean you can take someone else's words, then you are incorrect. That would be theft of someone else's intellectual property and that can cost you fines, penalties, and even jail time.
              Yes dennis that was what I meant. I mean the concepts and ideas aren't owned by anybody. I understand that you can't take somebodies exact words and claim them for yourself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
          Some Jackwad who has a bone to pick with me shows up to tell me they did not have computers when Solomon put pen to paper to write that, and Jackwad points out that people did not discover galaxies outside the Milky Way until the modern times...
          They just dont see the big picture..........

          Plus I do not think they ever read this... Dont freak out on me......

          Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
          If the internet is not knowledge increasing and people running to and fro, then I do not know what is...............
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Barnes
    Dude, like 80% of all the cheep products out there are Rehashed Information!!

    I hate that!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Lazy
      I think i've read this post somewhere else....


      Just kidding man, great info.
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      • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
        Not unusually, I went to my favorite Border's bookstore this evening for a cup of coffee and to look at books and magazines.

        Would you believe I noticed multiple magazine titles on photography, several on woodworking and the good Lord Himself only knows how many discussing various aspects of entertainment?

        In the "writing" book section there were several on how to market a novel--useful only after you've read one of the multiple titles purporting to instruct you on writing said novel.

        Moving to the business section I ran out of fingers and toes trying to count how many books, that just by buying, reading and following the simple instructions, could turn me into a crackerjack salesman, manager or consultant...

        Lets not even get into the self-help, motivational and pop-psychology area. Their numbers are legion.

        As many of these books have gone to multiple printings and editions I suspect there is now and always will be a market for "rehashed" information.

        One author's style may resonate with you while another, saying essentially the same thing, leaves you cold. Yet both have followings.

        Go figure.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      @ Steve - I think your analogy between written content and graphics is a valid comparison. You get it.

      @ Bill - Great post, especially this point: Yet, those who truly value "insight" will beat everyone else to the top of the ladder of success...

      Originally Posted by Kevin Barnes View Post

      Dude, like 80% of all the cheep products out there are Rehashed Information!!

      I hate that!!

      Kevin, if 80% of what you buy is rehashed, what are you missing that makes you keep buying information on the same subjects? If you already know what everyone is teaching, why are you still buying and reading instead of taking action and moving forward? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm trying to understand.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Kevin, if 80% of what you buy is rehashed, what are you missing that makes you keep buying information on the same subjects? If you already know what everyone is teaching, why are you still buying and reading instead of taking action and moving forward? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm trying to understand.

        Dennis....

        Dissect his sentence...

        I will save you the time...

        Originally Posted by Kevin Barnes View Post

        80% of all the cheep products out there
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Dennis....

          Dissect his sentence...

          I will save you the time...
          I noticed that first time around, Bill.

          I thought something constructive/instructive may come from my follow up though. If not for Kevin, then perhaps for others with similar thoughts.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            I noticed that first time around, Bill.

            I thought something constructive/instructive may come from my follow up though. If not for Kevin, then perhaps for others with similar thoughts.

            I knew you did Dennis...

            I just felt the need to point it out to your audience...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Barnes
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Kevin, if 80% of what you buy is rehashed, what are you missing that makes you keep buying information on the same subjects? If you already know what everyone is teaching, why are you still buying and reading instead of taking action and moving forward? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm trying to understand.
        lol.. I like you dude! Yeah, I do just fine. I don't think I will ever know everything. It's more about keeping a pules on things.. and how people package and market their products..

        Yes I spend a ton of money.. but I can afford it. Think Rush or Glenn Beck spend hours reading everything? Nope. They pay people good money to filter through everything and only give them the best info.

        That's kinda why I keep buying products.. From my perspective, 80% of the products I purchase are rehashed.. and yes, I hate that crap.
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Kevin, if 80% of what you buy is rehashed, what are you missing that makes you keep buying information on the same subjects? If you already know what everyone is teaching, why are you still buying and reading instead of taking action and moving forward? I'm not being a wise guy, I'm trying to understand.

        This is the essential question, isn't it? In real estate they are called "looky loos," in the auto industry they are called "tire-kickers" and in retail they are called "window shoppers." People get into the habit of evaluating options but never take action. It's a very bad habit.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by donhx View Post

          This is the essential question, isn't it? In real estate they are called "looky loos," in the auto industry they are called "tire-kickers" and in retail they are called "window shoppers." People get into the habit of evaluating options but never take action. It's a very bad habit.
          This bad habit is especially destructive in IM, I have at least several friends who are like that and it pains me to no end when I see them floundering and "kicking tires" on different programs and techniques, so to speak.

          Unfortunately, no matter how much I talk and advise them, sometimes to the point of being blue in the face, they just don't understand what I'm getting at. They listen to me, but they don't truly understand; it's like it goes in one ear and right out the other almost immediately.

          I've pretty much given up now; they'l have to dig themselves out of their own quagmire if they want to make a real change.

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            Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

            This bad habit is especially destructive in IM, I have at least several friends who are like that and it pains me to no end when I see them floundering and "kicking tires" on different programs and techniques, so to speak.

            Unfortunately, no matter how much I talk and advise them, sometimes to the point of being blue in the face, they just don't understand what I'm getting at. They listen to me, but they don't truly understand; it's like it goes in one ear and right out the other almost immediately.

            I've pretty much given up now; they'l have to dig themselves out of their own quagmire if they want to make a real change.

            Paul
            It's definitely a learning experience for them, Paul. And You'll just have to let them learn like we all did. I know it's painful to watch them flounder and wonder what the hell to do, but eh, it's really their own fault for finding the shiny objects so... shiny.

            They'll come around when they're tired of not making any money

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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

              It's definitely a learning experience for them, Paul. And You'll just have to let them learn like we all did. I know it's painful to watch them flounder and wonder what the hell to do, but eh, it's really their own fault for finding the shiny objects so... shiny.

              They'll come around when they're tired of not making any money

              -Sean
              Exactly, Sean. It was really painful initially to watch them flounder, but now I know that this is for the best because I can't really help them anyway if they do not want to be helped.

              They'll either come around or give up altogether, but this is a decision they have to make for themselves.

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                Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                Exactly, Sean. It was really painful initially to watch them flounder, but now I know that this is for the best because I can't really help them anyway if they do not want to be helped.

                They'll either come around or give up altogether, but this is a decision they have to make for themselves.

                Paul
                And as soon as they are ready to make the decision to go with it, they'll hang on every word you say. They'll be ready to soak up all your knowledge like sponges because they're ready to make it.

                But they will just need to understand that when they do make it, and in order to make it, they need to be the boss at home, because this is a job as much as anything else is. IT requires work, and dedication.

                I mean, 5 of the six years I've been doing this I didn't make jack-diddly. In the last month I've near doubled what I had before in the terms of sites and the like, and I haven't properly monetized it all yet. But, its growth. Hopefully in 2011, within the first few weeks, I'll be making more money than ever before.

                IF not, it's also trial and error. I'll get it down-pat and perfect eventually. Then I'll find a way to make it better from there too.

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                  Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

                  And as soon as they are ready to make the decision to go with it, they'll hang on every word you say. They'll be ready to soak up all your knowledge like sponges because they're ready to make it.

                  But they will just need to understand that when they do make it, and in order to make it, they need to be the boss at home, because this is a job as much as anything else is. IT requires work, and dedication.

                  I mean, 5 of the six years I've been doing this I didn't make jack-diddly. In the last month I've near doubled what I had before in the terms of sites and the like, and I haven't properly monetized it all yet. But, its growth. Hopefully in 2011, within the first few weeks, I'll be making more money than ever before.

                  IF not, it's also trial and error. I'll get it down-pat and perfect eventually. Then I'll find a way to make it better from there too.

                  -Sean
                  Sean, I can wholly concur on this. In the beginning, I can verify that I worked harder than I ever did at any job I had before, and in addition to that the "pay" was spotty, inconsistent and often non-existent.

                  It is probably the hardest job that you never had (since technically speaking, this isn't a job). There is a silver lining though, as things do improve after that difficult start-up phase, and once you get past that things improve considerably.

                  The only problem here is that many people never get past this initial phase, because it is hard work and can be very discouraging in terms of the lack of results. You'll likely experience a relatively long dry spell, after which things will 'suddenly' seem to magically improve very quickly. This sudden turn of events isn't good luck, it's just all your hard work finally catching up and bearing fruit for you.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
                    Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                    Sean, I can wholly concur on this. In the beginning, I can verify that I worked harder than I ever did at any job I had before, and in addition to that the "pay" was spotty, inconsistent and often non-existent.

                    It is probably the hardest job that you never had (since technically speaking, this isn't a job). There is a silver lining though, as things do improve after that difficult start-up phase, and once you get past that things improve considerably.

                    The only problem here is that many people never get past this initial phase, because it is hard work and can be very discouraging in terms of the lack of results. You'll likely experience a relatively long dry spell, after which things will 'suddenly' seem to magically improve very quickly. This sudden turn of events isn't good luck, it's just all your hard work finally catching up and bearing fruit for you.

                    Paul

                    Some people just don't have the patience to wait around six years though (although I'll say that six years might have been a bit much), learning and growing their information base until when it all does finally come together, it can come together in a big way.

                    Another thing is finding the method that works best with you, personally. I hate writing articles, but I love creating websites. It seems only fitting that I'd make sites that I intend to flip, instead of writing articles for something I Care nothing about.

                    One way to really help your friends in the meantime, while they're kicking those tires, would be to make sure they know what they enjoy doing online, or even on the computer. Somehow we can make it tie into IM and make that a strongsuit for them.

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                      Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

                      Some people just don't have the patience to wait around six years though (although I'll say that six years might have been a bit much), learning and growing their information base until when it all does finally come together, it can come together in a big way.

                      Another thing is finding the method that works best with you, personally. I hate writing articles, but I love creating websites. It seems only fitting that I'd make sites that I intend to flip, instead of writing articles for something I Care nothing about.

                      One way to really help your friends in the meantime, while they're kicking those tires, would be to make sure they know what they enjoy doing online, or even on the computer. Somehow we can make it tie into IM and make that a strongsuit for them.

                      -Sean
                      Sean, everyone develops at their own pace, and what might have taken you 6 years could possibly be accomplished in 9 months by someone else who is more focused and motivated.

                      You're right though, trying to drag yourself in a direction that you have no interest in is likely to delay your progress considerably. I detest article writing myself (for marketing purposes), and I highly doubt that I'd be where I am today if I had concentrated on article marketing in the beginning and forced myself to go in that direction.

                      I'll be sure to utilize your advice when talking to my friends so as to ensure they actually pick something that they like doing, as I know this will considerably increase their chances of success.
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                        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                        Sean, everyone develops at their own pace, and what might have taken you 6 years could possibly be accomplished in 9 months by someone else who is more focused and motivated.

                        You're right though, trying to drag yourself in a direction that you have no interest in is likely to delay your progress considerably. I detest article writing myself (for marketing purposes), and I highly doubt that I'd be where I am today if I had concentrated on article marketing in the beginning and forced myself to go in that direction.

                        I'll be sure to utilize your advice when talking to my friends so as to ensure they actually pick something that they like doing, as I know this will considerably increase their chances of success.
                        And there you're hitting on another point, which can really make the learning curve for IM either 6 months or 6 years. Motivation and Focus. Like sal and Alan have both stated in this thread now, most people are looking for that push-button amazing life-fixer.

                        But that's all the motivation they really have. Yeah, they want to make money online, but they want it handed to them. I was there, and I tried the crappy ways of doing things, and my motivation was crap for it.

                        Hell, I could be a poster-boy for bad motivation, shiny-object syndrome, and plain ol' not taking the proper amount of action.

                        Maybe that should be my product, just talking about my failures and how people can avoid them. Hmmm.

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                          Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

                          And there you're hitting on another point, which can really make the learning curve for IM either 6 months or 6 years. Motivation and Focus. Like sal and Alan have both stated in this thread now, most people are looking for that push-button amazing life-fixer.

                          But that's all the motivation they really have. Yeah, they want to make money online, but they want it handed to them. I was there, and I tried the crappy ways of doing things, and my motivation was crap for it.

                          Hell, I could be a poster-boy for bad motivation, shiny-object syndrome, and plain ol' not taking the proper amount of action.

                          Maybe that should be my product, just talking about my failures and how people can avoid them. Hmmm.

                          -Sean
                          That kind of motivation usually isn't sufficient to make any headway in IM. It's what I'd call "lazy" motivation that comes from having a "lottery/windfall" mindset. I think the majority of us have gone through this phase, and it's easy to see how this comes about when you analyze the blind sales copy in many of the newbie-targeted IM products. Notice all the emphasis on things being easy, quick, fast, painless, instant, mechanical, turnkey - recognize a pattern here?

                          Read enough of these sales letters and you start to almost automatically think like that on an unconscious level.

                          It's unfortunate that so many IM products have this type of sales copy, and they play a very real part in defining our perceptions and expectations of IM. Ultimately, it delays and hinders our progress. Of course, the majority of us eventually get past that doe-eyed stage, but for some people it may take a lot longer to make that breakthough.

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                        • Profile picture of the author sal64
                          lol...

                          I recall reading a sales letter by Jimmy D. Brown where he asked if all those info products on my hard drive had made me rich yet.

                          Now that really resonated with me at the time. It was time to stop buying products - rehashed or not - and start applying.

                          Wow: You gotta stop buying and you gotta start applying! I like that

                          From then on, I followed his advcie religiously... and that was to forget yall the magic bullets and start focusing on the 3 cores of your business: list building; product creation; marketing to your list.
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                          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                            Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

                            lol...

                            I recall reading a sales letter by Jimmy D. Brown where he asked if all those info products on my hard drive had made me rich yet.

                            Now that really resonated with me at the time. It was time to stop buying products - rehashed or not - and start applying.

                            Wow: You gotta stop buying and you gotta start applying! I like that

                            From then on, I followed his advcie religiously... and that was to forget yall the magic bullets and start focusing on the 3 cores of your business: list building; product creation; marketing to your list.
                            This is the crucial realization that should occur sooner rather than later for internet marketers.

                            There'll always be new products out there that you can learn from, but the key is to start taking action and applying what you already know. Information acquisition will not make you a single dime if it isn't applied and implemented, and this is something all new internet marketers will have to learn, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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                            • Profile picture of the author sal64
                              Paulie, I spent 3 years running a membership site for aspiring authors, and the biggest challenge over 90% of members had was info overload. And I always told them to acquire knowledge on a need-to-know basis. Only acquire it when you need it.

                              And this I believe cuts to the core of the problem... people trying tolearn too much and getting nothing done. I was just as guilty as anyone when I started out.

                              Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                              This is the crucial realization that should occur sooner rather than later for internet marketers.

                              There'll always be new products out there that you can learn from, but the key is to start taking action and applying what you already know. Information acquisition will not make you a single dime if it isn't applied and implemented, and this is something all new internet marketers will have to learn, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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                              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                                Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

                                Paulie, I spent 3 years running a membership site for aspiring authors, and the biggest challenge over 90% of members had was info overload. And I always told them to acquire knowledge on a need-to-know basis. Only acquire it when you need it.

                                And this I believe cuts to the core of the problem... people trying tolearn too much and getting nothing done. I was just as guilty as anyone when I started out.
                                Sal, we've all been guilty of this at one point or another. It's a tempting notion to aspire to learn everything you possibly can about something before doing anything, and we have all bought into this myth before.

                                Not only is this detrimental to taking action, we also don't realize that a lot of knowledge and expertise can only be gleaned through taking action, and not from reading books and watching videos on the subject matter.

                                We should strive to spend more time implementing techniques/methods rather than learning about them, if we want to make the kind of 'breakthrough' progress that we all dream about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by Kevin Barnes View Post

      Dude, like 80% of all the cheep products out there are Rehashed Information!!

      I hate that!!

      How did you come up with 80%?

      99% of statistics are made up on the spot.

      I hate that!

      Dennis, you hit it on the spot. If everything is rehashed to peeps, they need to stop buying and start doing.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        99% of statistics are made up on the spot.

        147% of people who say crap like this are full of crap!!

        I hate that!!! LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    I tried making up my own alphabet so I could be more original, but I can't find a computer keyboard with my characters-so I guess I'll just have stick with these boring old ones.

    Great thread, and I really like your point, Dennis, that if a newbie reads a course and says to herself "man, I already know this-I'm learning nothing here"-then perhaps she should realize she has knowledge worth enough to take action.

    The complaint about rehash always makes me think of blues snobs that think white rock bands like Led Zep and the Stones are guilty of "ripping off" the original blues artists that inspired them. If that's true then those "original" artists were "ripping off" whoever came before them, etc. There's a lot of truth to the old saying "there's nothing new under the sun"-not 100%-but mostly true-which is why a really original artist or writer always stands out so much-but even they owe a debt to those who inspired and taught them.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

      if a newbie reads a course and says to herself "man, I already know this-I'm learning nothing here"-then perhaps she should realize she has knowledge worth enough to take action.
      A newbie who reads a course and says "i already know this, I am not learning anything here", will continue to buy more wso's.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        A newbie who reads a course and says "i already know this, I am not learning anything here", will continue to buy more wso's.
        This is really unfortunate, because that is a pretty clear indicator that they should stop buying anything more, and should instead start focusing on implementation instead.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        A newbie who reads a course and says "i already know this, I am not learning anything here", will continue to buy more wso's.

        That is what I call real insight.

        That is exactly what I was talking about when I said:

        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        "Rehashed" is the favorite drop word of people who think "knowledge" is more important than "insight"...

        Yet, those who truly value "insight" will beat everyone else to the top of the ladder of success...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Ok about a month ago I published an article on my blog on jailbreaking iPad 4.2 using redsn0w jailbreak tool.

    About 2 weeks ago, some Mac magazine (I think it was MacLife but I am not sure) published an article teaching the same thing.

    Did they rehash off of me?

    Same goes in IM. The concepts are SAME and so is the plan of action many times.

    Rehashing is over rated
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I actually had a huge conversation with a fellow "warrior" about this and here is part of what I told him:
    Hmm, let's see do you watch news?

    CNN, Fox, MSNBC maybe?

    So if CNN reports something then Fox shouldn't have the right to report the same news on their channel? And if they are doing so then the information on Fox is crap and rehashed?

    But here's the difference.

    On Fox, you have Bill O' Riley presenting the conservative view of things and on CNN you have Rick Sanchez being a little moderate but still on the left end of the stick.

    Now if you say information is different then how about this:

    Let's assume a magazine publishes an article on "how to install a modchip on your PS3"

    Now if I have a PS3 related blog then can I study the information from that article and publish an article or video of my own on how to do that?

    Now you better say yes or else I will have to call Sony and tell them to create a new PS3 just for me so I can write an article on changing a modchip
    Simply put, there are only so many ways of doing something.

    I am running a 5 figure a month business and to be honest, I don't have any "SECRETS".

    Now like Dennis said, if you are starting to come across "rehashed" information then I think it's time to start taking some action and to STOP consuming information.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      I actually had a huge conversation with a fellow "warrior" about this and here is part of what I told him:
      Simply put, there are only so many ways of doing something.

      I am running a 5 figure a month business and to be honest, I don't have any "SECRETS".

      Now like Dennis said, if you are starting to come across "rehashed" information then I think it's time to start taking some action and to STOP consuming information.
      You're absolutely right, if you keep coming across information that you consider as "rehashed", then it's probably a very clear sign that you've been consuming way too much information on the topic, which isn't a good thing at all if you're still failing to take action.

      There's really nothing new under the sun when it comes to techniques/systems. As people have mentioned above, there can be insights gleaned from the way people interpret and disseminate information, and this should probably be the only reason why you should seek out more information products in IM - if you're still not able to properly grasp the concepts/techniques disseminated in order to be able to implement then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    With many topics I have found that I can understand how one person
    explains it more easily than others.

    I flash back to my first college statistics class. I enrolled in and
    dropped that class TWICE, two consecutive semesters because
    within 2-3 weeks I could see that I just wasn't getting it. The
    third time that I enrolled, I got a professor by the name of Marsha,
    whom I still remember to this day even though that was roughtly
    30 years ago. She explained the exact same material, and probably
    used the same book, but I got it when she explained it.

    I also often have to hear some things over and over again before
    they sink in. I even read certain books over and over again until
    they become a part of my thinking.

    So, I have absolutely no problem with rehashed materials, as
    long as it's accurate!


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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      With many topics I have found that I can understand how one person
      explains it more easily than others.

      I flash back to my first college statistics class. I enrolled in and
      dropped that class TWICE, two consecutive semesters because
      within 2-3 weeks I could see that I just wasn't getting it. The
      third time that I enrolled, I got a professor by the name of Marsha,
      whom I still remember to this day even though that was roughtly
      30 years ago. She explained the exact same material, and probably
      used the same book, but I got it when she explained it.

      I also often have to hear some things over and over again before
      they sink in. I even read certain books over and over again until
      they become a part of my thinking.

      So, I have absolutely no problem with rehashed materials, as
      long as it's accurate!


      Willie
      Great point, Willie. Sometimes when the material is complex and intricate, listening/reading it repetitively can help tremendously, and so does getting exposed to the viewpoints and approaches of others, as it helps us to gain a fresh new perspective that might help us comprehend things better.

      The only caveat is that the information has to be accurate, and this can be a little hard to determine especially in the IM niche, which is fraught with misinformation and half-truths.

      As an aside, I can completely identify with the issues you had in college, because I had the very SAME trouble with my Calculus 2 class! I had to drop out twice as well, because I just wasn't able to truly comprehend what the professor was teaching, and it was coming across as abstract and arcane. It was such a relief when I took the class again for the 3rd time, and this was where everything 'clicked' and it seemed like I had a whole new window into what I previously had trouble grasping.

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    • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      With many topics I have found that I can understand how one person
      explains it more easily than others.

      I flash back to my first college statistics class. I enrolled in and
      dropped that class TWICE, two consecutive semesters because
      within 2-3 weeks I could see that I just wasn't getting it. The
      third time that I enrolled, I got a professor by the name of Marsha,
      whom I still remember to this day even though that was roughtly
      30 years ago. She explained the exact same material, and probably
      used the same book, but I got it when she explained it.

      I also often have to hear some things over and over again before
      they sink in. I even read certain books over and over again until
      they become a part of my thinking.

      So, I have absolutely no problem with rehashed materials, as
      long as it's accurate!

      Willie

      That's exactly it Willie and I wrote an article not long ago about this in another forum. Some people you can learn from, because their dynamic of teaching to you is better suited to your needs. It's like people in general, some you click with and some you don't. Some products you're going to learn from and some you won't, all depends on the person pitching and your chemistry with them.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimG
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      With many topics I have found that I can understand how one person
      explains it more easily than others.

      I flash back to my first college statistics class. I enrolled in and
      dropped that class TWICE, two consecutive semesters because
      within 2-3 weeks I could see that I just wasn't getting it. The
      third time that I enrolled, I got a professor by the name of Marsha,
      whom I still remember to this day even though that was roughtly
      30 years ago. She explained the exact same material, and probably
      used the same book, but I got it when she explained it.

      I also often have to hear some things over and over again before
      they sink in. I even read certain books over and over again until
      they become a part of my thinking.

      So, I have absolutely no problem with rehashed materials, as
      long as it's accurate!

      Willie
      Willie,
      My thoughts exactly. I'm all in favor of rehased information especially when it can take a difficult subject and break it down into caveman concepts that I can understand, implement and ultimately profit from.

      Everyday there are more and more people exposed to things like adsense, PPC, article marketing, file uploading, wordpress...and the list goes on.

      If we were asked by any of those folks about those subjects we would essentially be providing rehashed information but to those virgin ears it would be a new and exciting realm of information.

      Beauty is often times in the eye of the beholder.

      Respectfully,
      Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    Kinda like the new 'offline businesses' used to be called 'business development', and before that 'Sales and Marketing'.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by digichik View Post

      Kinda like the new 'offline businesses' used to be called 'business development', and before that 'Sales and Marketing'.
      10-12 years ago, teaching offline businesses to use the net
      was probably more focused on the "IM" niche but internet
      experts.

      Now, things are somewhat cycling back in that direction :-)

      You're right, it's not new although many of the tools and tactics are.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Dennis,

    You may be onto something here. You mean to tell me that Dominos Pizza, Pizzahut, Shakeys, and Papa Johns aren't all EXACTLY the same "rehashed" pizza?

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Dennis,

      You may be onto something here. You mean to tell me that Dominos Pizza, Pizzahut, Shakeys, and Papa Johns aren't all EXACTLY the same "rehashed" pizza?

      Rod "Coffee-Made-Me-Do-It" Cortez
      Great point, Rod. Let's not even get into what Starbuck's, Coffee Bean, Seattle's Best, Tully's and Caribou are doing ripping each other other off with "rehashed" coffee that all looks the same!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Dennis,

      You may be onto something here. You mean to tell me that Dominos Pizza, Pizzahut, Shakeys, and Papa Johns aren't all EXACTLY the same "rehashed" pizza?

      Rod "Coffee-Made-Me-Do-It" Cortez
      Of course they are, Rod. They are arranged differently and sold by different vendors, but they contain the same ingredients, just like ebooks contain the same ingredients but are worded differently by different authors.

      It's all so unnecessary. We just need one pizza maker, and one writer, and one point of view... :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Of course they are, Rod. They are arranged differently and sold by different vendors, but they contain the same ingredients, just like ebooks contain the same ingredients but are worded differently by different authors.

        It's all so unnecessary. We just need one pizza maker, and one writer, and one point of view... :rolleyes:
        Now that's a pretty scary thought....I'll take "rehashing" any day over the solitary scenario which you've just described!
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  • Profile picture of the author joan2009
    That's exactly how I think about rehashed information. I appreciate people who writes good stuff even if it's rehashed. Some rehashed are better than the original.
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    99.999% of the concepts are already out there, so just about everything is rehashed. I don't see the problem, personally.

    The concepts remain constant, but the message varies according to the author.

    Give the market what it wants. What's the big deal? It allcomes down to point of difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    In one sentence, I think it is all about different strokes for different folks.

    BTW, it is one of the secrets of success in internet marketing, article marketing...

    For example, you can use 5 keywords to write 5 rehashed articles in 5 rehashed ways.

    Rehashed information means "In My Own Opinion" which is most probably not your own opinion.

    One more thing before I go, every messenger has his own message.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Dennis,

      This could be another of those threads where people talk at cross purposes because they have different definitions of the word "rehashed" (just like the public's 'idea' of what spam is and the government's 'legal definition' of it).

      As some people have pointed out, there is a clear distinction between rehashing something (bordering on plagiarism) and collating ideas and presenting your own unique view. And is rewriting PLR also rehashing?

      I like to look at the matter in terms of translation.

      When I first came to Turkey, I would give friends and students Turkish translations of some of my favourite books. I used to get a bit hurt when the uniform reaction was, "Why do you like such a crap writer?"

      I now realise that the translations were awful. The core material was great but the interpretation was awful. There are few very good translators around (and the market encourages that by paying only a few dollars a page).

      When I find a translator who can do a really good literary translation, I will buy all his/her translations and give them to my friends.


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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I think there's a big difference between "rehashed" information as in the Rehash King method of just rewording the same old stuff and putting a new name on it and selling it and information that is presented by competitors in the same niche based on their own experiences and their own take on a topic.

    With the latter, there may be some similar information in both products, because some facts will be the same, there's going to be differences in writing style, differences in opinions and some facts ... a different twist ... some things you hadn't read before, etc.

    I've read tons of ebooks on web flipping and none of them has been exactly the same and I've learned something new from each of them. That's just one example. There are plenty more.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I think there's a big difference between "rehashed" information as in the Rehash King method of just rewording the same old stuff and putting a new name on it and selling it and information that is presented by competitors in the same niche based on their own experiences and their own take on a topic.

      With the latter, there may be some similar information in both products, because some facts will be the same, there's going to be differences in writing style, differences in opinions and some facts ... a different twist ... some things you hadn't read before, etc.

      I've read tons of ebooks on web flipping and none of them has been exactly the same and I've learned something new from each of them. That's just one example. There are plenty more.
      I agree, Suzanne, there's bound to be some duplication and overlap of content, because the core subject being covered is the same.

      The crucial thing especially with IM products is being able to write about the information from personal experience, and not just by rewriting and combining information which you haven't actually implemented before.

      Fortunately, you can usually tell quite easily from the style of writing whether it was written from personal experience or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart S
    Rehashed information to someone, may be new information for another person so it's hard to distinguish I guess, but it's always something to consider. So I think you always have to be careful if you are going to call someone out for it because while it may not benefit you, it may someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hexor
    For those forumers who want a synonym for rehashed, it is re-used or rework.
    @Topic, yes, it is very clever to rehashed information but not all, just get only some information from the old information and then jumble it and combine with another words,phrases,sentences and paragraphs, just assure that you dont copy ALL his work because it is Plagarism
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Hexor View Post

      For those forumers who want a synonym for rehashed, it is re-used or rework.
      @Topic, yes, it is very clever to rehashed information but not all, just get only some information from the old information and then jumble it and combine with another words,phrases,sentences and paragraphs, just assure that you dont copy ALL his work because it is Plagarism
      It may not be plagiarism, but it still won't be very helpful especially in IM if you're just using other people's words and insights in a slightly different form.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by orvinmarcantel24 View Post

    Ohh!! I haven't a lot of comment about Rehash; I don't know well enough.

    Have a sweet dream!!!
    talking about dreams, tell me about your website thats in your sig. that looks interesting ?

    he's gone ? and a quick search shows multiple people (I found 4 in 4 minutes) rehashing that same sig link, surley they do not all own the same site ? sweat dreams
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I'll tell you the worst kind of rehashing.

    It's taking really good posts (like the sort we have in the War Room but also on other forums too) and then rewording them into an ebook and selling for $27.

    Those are the tactics that the Rehash King is famous for
    Not sure who the rehash king is but if someone is really doing that they should be reported so they get the boot. Maybe it already happened.

    I like what Suzanne wrote about flipping. There are many products on flipping, product creation, Amazon affiliate marketing, etc. As long as each person adds their own twist or angle to it then I don't consider it rehash.

    How many ways are there to tell people they can lose weight by eating less and exercising yet there are about a kabillion products out there on weight loss. So the overweight fella sits in McDonald's blaming the author for rehashing the same info he's read before but never took action.

    That's why people get angry about "rehashing" because they're looking for the magic pill to make money online, lose weight, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Dennis,

      I agree, and for some acumen I've been seeing a lot of comments about "rehashed" agreeable lately. Best of it is derogatory, and generally advancing from association still aggravating to authorize themselves in IM.

      Like best association I reckon, I like aboriginal content, and I've accounting a ton of it myself. I can acknowledge those who adopt boldness and fresh cerebration about age-old topics.

      On the added hand, there are alone so abounding means to call things. If you apprehend abundant on one accountable it's activity to all assume like acquired information. This is accurate whether you're account websites, ebooks, book books, or magazines. When you apperceive a affair able-bodied enough, it's consistently the aforementioned old in altered words.

      Newbies can booty a big clue from that. If you're award the advice in articles you shop for is article you already know...

      ...maybe that's a big clue that you apperceive abundant to alpha demography action!

      You're activity to apprentice some things by reading, and some things by doing. If you're account the aforementioned old things, it's time to alpha doing.

      And as far as acquired agreeable goes, there's allowance for everyone. Altered writers and altered styles of autograph address to altered people. And while the advance of anniversary "rehash" may be actual similar, I about consistently acquisition at atomic one or two credibility that accord me aliment for thought.

      Besides, there's duplication in every industry, online and offline. It's alleged competition. You shouldn't apprehend it to be any altered in IM.
      The abutting time you feel like accusatory about acquired information, anticipate how it would be if there were alone one maker of pizza, alone one boy wins babe movie, alone one of annihilation with no added articles competing.

      Know what I mean?

      ~Bill

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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Bill,

        I guarantee nobody will be able to rehash that. It's like one of those rotating black and white spirals that hypnotise you.

        You should do a WSO - "How To Protect Your Original Content By Making It UnReHashable!!"


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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          I dabbled in PUA for a bit and met this moderator from known forum to "sarge". Unfortunately this guy could not "approach" and therefore did not leave the starting blocks.

          On the forum he was a respcted PUA who gave tonnes of advise. The advice he gave was based on what he had read and not experienced. And while he gave advice, some of the information was effectively "lost". Because he had not experienced the methods first hand, he could not articulate with precision. 2 + 2 effectively became 2.05 + 2.02 and as a result it was leading people astray.

          The same thing happens with IM too unless the person does the work and has first hand experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Bill: At first, I thought you were drunk... Then I realized that drunks aren't nearly as lucid as you were in this post...

        Then it hit me... It is original content...

        BTW, you did hear that Google is implementing an original content penalty, didn't you?



        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Dennis,

        I agree, and for some acumen I've been seeing a lot of comments about "rehashed" agreeable lately. Best of it is derogatory, and generally advancing from association still aggravating to authorize themselves in IM.

        Like best association I reckon, I like aboriginal content, and I've accounting a ton of it myself. I can acknowledge those who adopt boldness and fresh cerebration about age-old topics.

        On the added hand, there are alone so abounding means to call things. If you apprehend abundant on one accountable it's activity to all assume like acquired information. This is accurate whether you're account websites, ebooks, book books, or magazines. When you apperceive a affair able-bodied enough, it's consistently the aforementioned old in altered words.

        Newbies can booty a big clue from that. If you're award the advice in articles you shop for is article you already know...

        ...maybe that's a big clue that you apperceive abundant to alpha demography action!

        You're activity to apprentice some things by reading, and some things by doing. If you're account the aforementioned old things, it's time to alpha doing.

        And as far as acquired agreeable goes, there's allowance for everyone. Altered writers and altered styles of autograph address to altered people. And while the advance of anniversary "rehash" may be actual similar, I about consistently acquisition at atomic one or two credibility that accord me aliment for thought.

        Besides, there's duplication in every industry, online and offline. It's alleged competition. You shouldn't apprehend it to be any altered in IM.
        The abutting time you feel like accusatory about acquired information, anticipate how it would be if there were alone one maker of pizza, alone one boy wins babe movie, alone one of annihilation with no added articles competing.

        Know what I mean?

        ~Bill

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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          BTW, you did hear that Google is implementing an original content penalty, didn't you?
          Don't worry, Bill.

          I'm wiping all my websites clean of OC and replacing it with Viagrow ads.

          The long copy sales letter kind.

          I'm too smart to let Google out fox me...

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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Bill: At first, I thought you were drunk... Then I realized that drunks aren't nearly as lucid as you were in this post...

          Then it hit me... It is original content...

          BTW, you did hear that Google is implementing an original content penalty, didn't you?
          Bill, did you see what the Google guys (presumably) are including in their description of you in the search results on the second page? I think we've pretty much come to the conclusion that the latter part of the description was inserted by them, as it is nowhere to be found on your thread....LOL!
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

            Bill, did you see what the Google guys (presumably) are including in their description of you in the search results on the second page? I think we've pretty much come to the conclusion that the latter part of the description was inserted by them, as it is nowhere to be found on your thread....LOL!
            What are you talking about here, Paulie? I did a quick search but I'm not seeing anything that looks odd. I did find that Wags wrote an article at EA that is titled Original Content Penalty though.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

            Bill, did you see what the Google guys (presumably) are including in their description of you in the search results on the second page? I think we've pretty much come to the conclusion that the latter part of the description was inserted by them, as it is nowhere to be found on your thread....LOL!

            We are beating them back on the search for the original content penalty...

            Still on page two of the search results, but now it reads:

            original content penalty - WarriorForum
            Dec 29, 2010 ... Originally Posted by paulie888 Richard, you're absolutely right. Bill picked a topic and scenario that is true for the most part, ...
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              We are beating them back on the search for the original content penalty...

              Still on page two of the search results, but now it reads:

              original content penalty - WarriorForum
              Dec 29, 2010 ... Originally Posted by paulie888 Richard, you're absolutely right. Bill picked a topic and scenario that is true for the most part, ...
              Bill, for unique content penalty, this is the description that shows up on page two -
              "Dec 29, 2010 ... Matt: Some dorkwad named Bill Platt spreading original content .... that is "Unique content penalty" myth, Myth, myth, myth....oh I give up. ..."
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Alan, I missed this post earlier... in my humble opinion, this is one of the most intelligent posts I've read here for a while.

      Your wieght loss analogy is 110% on the money.

      Our job is to determine what the market wants... then give it to them.

      Many IM'ers are waiting for that magic solution, instead of just getting on with it.

      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      Not sure who the rehash king is but if someone is really doing that they should be reported so they get the boot. Maybe it already happened.

      I like what Suzanne wrote about flipping. There are many products on flipping, product creation, Amazon affiliate marketing, etc. As long as each person adds their own twist or angle to it then I don't consider it rehash.

      How many ways are there to tell people they can lose weight by eating less and exercising yet there are about a kabillion products out there on weight loss. So the overweight fella sits in McDonald's blaming the author for rehashing the same info he's read before but never took action.

      That's why people get angry about "rehashing" because they're looking for the magic pill to make money online, lose weight, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    The IM niche: Have content people want to read, get their trust, then use that trust to sell them something.

    The diet/fitness niche: Exercise and eat well.

    The dating niche: Develop your personality and be confident.

    We've been doing nothing but rehashing since the beginning of time. We sell the writer, we sell the dream, we sell the differences that make *our* way the One True Path, and the *other* ways inferior. We practically never sell something new and revolutionary.

    Google just rehashed Excite. So it goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Edward Floyd
    I haven't written a product myself yet, but I'm okay with the idea of rehashed information. I've bought probably about $100 worth of WSOs in the past couple of weeks and I've learn HEAPS from them. Every single one has taught me something new and I'm sure a lot of it is rehashed - some of them even touch on similar things.

    But all of them bring new ideas to my mind and so I think they are worth my money.

    So as long as it's not a blatant copy of another's work then I think it's fine, but the person 'rehashing' should also add their own views and ideas ontop of whatever content they are basing their new work on.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Dennis, I think a lot of people are getting sidetracked here, debating the meaning of "rehashed"...

      The main point I got out of your post is that if the material is starting to seem repetitious, it's time to stop reading and start doing.

      Spending some time actually trying to do what you've read will accomplish a couple of things...

      First, you'll own the information, and know what you need to learn next.

      Second, you'll be able to spot who has walked the walk and who is full of beans.

      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      talking about dreams, tell me about your website thats in your sig. that looks interesting ?

      he's gone ? and a quick search shows multiple people (I found 4 in 4 minutes) rehashing that same sig link, surley they do not all own the same site ? sweat dreams
      Yep, looks like a rehash of Maverick Money Makers...:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        You hear often that it takes at least 7 (or some other magic number) of contacts before a person will buy something from you.

        Why would it not take multiple infusions of the same information presented in different formats for some people to internalize the information.

        (Talking about myself here, maybe other folks can get it in 3 times)
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Okay, I'll catch up with the thread all at once. First though, I ran out of thanks again, so if you made a "thank-worthy" comment and didn't get one, that's why.

          Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

          Dennis,
          This could be another of those threads where people talk at cross purposes because they have different definitions of the word "rehashed" (just like the public's 'idea' of what spam is and the government's 'legal definition' of it).
          I noticed that, Martin. I guess I should have spelled out exactly what I meant by "rehashed," but I thought the meaning was clear if taken in context. For the record, I was referring to products having the same basic concepts and ideas, not plagiarism. I'm never in favor of plagiarism or content theft.

          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          talking about dreams, tell me about your website thats in your sig. that looks interesting ?

          he's gone ? and a quick search shows multiple people (I found 4 in 4 minutes) rehashing that same sig link, surley they do not all own the same site ? sweat dreams
          Busted! You must have nailed him, Pete. The post you quoted was gone by the time I came back to this thread today. I'm guessing the ban hammer fell. Good catch.

          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          Not sure who the rehash king is but if someone is really doing that they should be reported so they get the boot. Maybe it already happened.

          -snip-

          How many ways are there to tell people they can lose weight by eating less and exercising yet there are about a kabillion products out there on weight loss. So the overweight fella sits in McDonald's blaming the author for rehashing the same info he's read before but never took action.

          That's why people get angry about "rehashing" because they're looking for the magic pill to make money online, lose weight, etc.
          Alan, the "rehash king" is a nickname Imram Naseem picked up from another forum. I've never bought his products so I don't know if it's a deserved nickname or not, and I think he's been banned from the WF, although I have no idea why.

          You're probably right in some cases, about why people get angry about rehashing. There are probably a lot of individual reasons if for no other reason than there is no definitive description of what "rehashing" means.

          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Dennis,

          I agree, and for some acumen I've been seeing a lot of comments about "rehashed" agreeable lately. Best of it is derogatory, and generally advancing from association still aggravating to authorize themselves in IM.

          --snipped with my biggest shears---

          Know what I mean?
          Yeah, I know what you mean. Not sure everyone got it though. When I read your first paragraph I thought you must not have had your morning coffee yet. I read it twice before moving on. Then when I read the next sentence, I knew what was up. My only question is, did you use a spinner or was all that from your own twisted mind?

          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Dennis, I think a lot of people are getting sidetracked here, debating the meaning of "rehashed"...

          The main point I got out of your post is that if the material is starting to seem repetitious, it's time to stop reading and start doing.
          You got it right, John. That's exactly what I meant. That, and that there are only so many ways to express ideas, and that different people selling the same information means having options. Just think, if not for all the options it would be a lot harder to find the information we want. It's easier to find a needle in a haystack when there are a thousand needles than when there is only one.

          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          When I was in college I bought lots of mathematics books. All of them contained nothing but rehashed information.
          That's a great example, thanks.

          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          You hear often that it takes at least 7 (or some other magic number) of contacts before a person will buy something from you.

          Why would it not take multiple infusions of the same information presented in different formats for some people to internalize the information.
          That's a very good point. I often glean new information by rereading what I've already read. Some things resonate the first time we read them, some things take more exposure.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Yeah, I know what you mean. Not sure everyone got it though. When I read your first paragraph I thought you must not have had your morning coffee yet. I read it twice before moving on. Then when I read the next sentence, I knew what was up. My only question is, did you use a spinner or was all that from your own twisted mind?
            Dennis, that was an online spinner that did the honors.

            There's no way I could spell THAT good...

            ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    When I was in college I bought lots of mathematics books. All of them contained nothing but rehashed information.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      When I was in college I bought lots of mathematics books. All of them contained nothing but rehashed information.
      Didn't pi add a few billion figures after the decimal point a couple of years ago?


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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

        Didn't pi add a few billion figures after the decimal point a couple of years ago?


        Martin
        Oh, is that what everyone was referring to when they were talking about Pi 2.0?
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I'll tell you the worst kind of rehashing.

    It's taking really good posts (like the sort we have in the War Room but also on other forums too) and then rewording them into an ebook and selling for $27.

    Those are the tactics that the Rehash King is famous for
    That would not be hard to do at all, someone with a little time on his hands and an iota of initiative could quite easily accomplish this.

    P.S. I keep seeing this repeated reference to the Rehash King...is this some mythical, made up person, or does he really exist? LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      P.S. I keep seeing this repeated reference to the Rehash King...is this some mythical, made up person, or does he really exist? LOL
      Paulie, see my reply to Alan Peterson in my previous post.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Paulie, see my reply to Alan Peterson in my previous post.
        Thanks Dennis. I had a feeling it was him, but your post just confirmed my suspicions.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

          -snip-
          I guess it depends on what we mean by rehashing.

          For example, you buy some PLR and you are allowed to rewrite it.

          But you cannot just go buy a book in the bookstore and rewrite it. I cannot buy the "Truth About Abs" and rewrite it and put my own very similar book on Clickbank.

          It may have different wording but contain exactly the same ideas. I think that this is considered to be plagiarism because there is no substantial difference from the original. This is what I call rehashing.
          Hi Chris. I should have made it more clear what I meant by "rehash" but in a subsequent post I tried to clarify it. I wrote, "For the record, I was referring to products having the same basic concepts and ideas, not plagiarism. I'm never in favor of plagiarism or content theft."

          The main idea I wanted to get across is that if you're buying products about a certain marketing method and finding you know most of what is being taught, you may know more than you are giving yourself credit for and it's time to quit studying and start taking action.

          I also wanted to point out that multiple products saying basically the same things is called competition, and that's a good thing.

          You're right that you can't go buy a book and rewrite it, assuming you mean substituting words but keeping the same basic structure. You can, however, write about the same ideas in your own words and structure. Ideas cannot be copyrighted, it's the presentation of those ideas that can be copyrighted.
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    There is a lot of rehashed stuff out there, which I dont mind, after all if you dont know it already I dont suppose it matters where you learn it.

    What I dont like is product launches that claim to be all brand new but are really just a lot of information you already know. Instant Refund Time
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  • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I hate rehashed IM products.

    Now I know that most information is not new.

    But when it comes to internet marketing products, people seem to be looking for 2 things...(I'm ignoring software/tools here)

    1) guides and primers to educate them in a new area
    2) genuine new information: new techniques discovered and tested by a single marketer and revealed

    2) is genuinely new. It is the product of experience.

    Now what about rehashing?

    Rehashing is neither.

    Rehashing is producing a crappy WSO that does not get you up to speed in one area and nor does it reveal any decent techniques (the real money making techniques are held back, perhaps out of fear of competition).

    I think when people say "rehashed", they are really talking about something that is neither 1) nor 2). It is just pure fluff with nothing to learn from it unless you are a complete noob. And there are always better alternatives to purchase.

    Some Warriors make a career out of this. There is one who is banned from here who is known as the "rehash king" on the internet.

    There is another who has not posted lately but who is also gaining this reputation too.
    Well said .... It's not the re-hashed information per se that is annoying. It the claims by authors that the re-hashed information is "new", that really pisses me off.

    (rant over ..)
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    The OP asks what do I think of rehashed info?

    Tp be honest, there is always going to be rehashed content, especially when so many newbs are taught to sell how products in IM.

    That said, I see nothing wrong with something that seeks to impove a concept. For example, if a complex topic is broken down into steps.

    I create many products based on topics that are out there, such as setting up a blog. But I create them as tutorials, rather than an ebook. Why? Because the easier they are to follow, the more success my clients wil attain.

    That said, the rehashed info which teaches you nothing new and is merely a re-wrtie of another product... sucks big time.

    From a product creator's point of view, I always look for a better way to package info. And as someone else mentioned... every messemger has a unique message.

    I know that I have purchased many products which are rehashed by definition, but only 1 or 2 of them actually made sense for me to apply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      -snip-
      ... I see nothing wrong with something that seeks to impove a concept. For example, if a complex topic is broken down into steps.

      I create many products based on topics that are out there, such as setting up a blog. But I create them as tutorials, rather than an ebook. Why? Because the easier they are to follow, the more success my clients wil attain.
      That's an excellent approach. That's adding value.

      That said, the rehashed info which teaches you nothing new and is merely a re-wrtie of another product... sucks big time.
      Yes but, because you don't learn something new doesn't mean no one is. This goes back to what I said in the original post ... if you're discovering you're learning nothing new, maybe that's the time to quit reading and start doing.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Well, to be honest, Dennis... I guess I'd qualify for rehash King status also.

        All of my membership sites are based on rehashed content. However, I deliver that content using a different medium than most others.

        It's a win for me and a win for the customer because they effectively get a coaching / training program for next to peanuts.

        And whilst we are on this topic... one of the best ever selling concept is based on rehashing info and delivering it in a unique format...

        The Idiot's Guide To books and the For Dummies books.

        The lesson here for noobs is to add value. The more you add, the mosr $$ you make.


        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        That's an excellent approach. That's adding value.



        Yes but, because you don't learn something new doesn't mean no one is. This goes back to what I said in the original post ... if you're discovering you're learning nothing new, maybe that's the time to quit reading and start doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If writers would only read content for comprehension before writing about a topic, then fewer people would complain about "rehashed" content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Sal - turning knowledge into step-by-step tutorials and including coaching is adding a TON of value to the mix. I'm sure you're adding your own insights as well. Sorry, but I can't award you rehash king status because of the added value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
    And to throw in my two cents here guys, the one place I can find rehashed content any day of the week is not here on our beloved forum, but on Ebay.

    I've bought many, many IM products over the last six years, and 97% of them have been unique and while may be identical, all have their own twist and turns on them. Except for anything I've snagged from Ebay. You've got everyone who thinks they're a resell-rights master on there selling the same product as everyone else.

    Blah to that. I found one, ONE gem on ebay years ago, written by Kabita Kalita, and it showed how to dominate google's top 10 slots with your webpages.

    I bought that back in 06. That technique still works today, it just requires a bit more work than it used to. But It can still be done. That is a fantastic product.

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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Colle
    Even though I am a big fan of and also love to say I like original content, deep inside I do know that every content is just original to the writer or producer. Because there is always going to be someone out there that must have some how thought like you or written something similar to yours. And for that person your content or product will be considered as rehash.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Colle
    Even though I am a big fan of and also love to say I like original content, deep inside I do know that every content is just original to the writer or producer. Because there is always going to be someone out there that must have some how thought like you or written something similar to yours. And for that person your content or product will be considered as rehash.
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    Even though I am a big fan of and also love to say I like original content, deep inside I do know that every content is just original to the writer or producer. Because there is always going to be someone out there that must have some how thought like you or written something similar to yours. And for that person your content or product will be considered as rehash.:p
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Robert Colle View Post

      Even though I am a big fan of and also love to say I like original content, deep inside I do know that every content is just original to the writer or producer. Because there is always going to be someone out there that must have some how thought like you or written something similar to yours. And for that person your content or product will be considered as rehash.:p
      That's true. And you know what? If you put out your product first and someone else puts out a similar product a year later, if someone finds the other guy's product first yours is the one that will seem like the rehash to the buyer, even though yours was out a year sooner.
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  • Profile picture of the author aandersen
    IMO there two distict schools of rehashing. The first, which I cannot stand, is what Chris Kent posted about here

    I hate these practices and I wish it could be stopped somehow, but it cannot and will not ever be put to an end. Even if we found a way to weed it out of the WSO section, people would still clean up reselling this stuff at DP and other forums


    The other form of rehashing, as many of you have already discussed here, is not rehashing at all, but rather reinterpreting and re-purposing information. Selling old ideas in a new if way, if you will.

    Of course, there's nothing wrong with it, it's been done for thousands of years and will still be done for many years to come.

    That being said, I know where a lot of this rehash animosity comes from....


    Most of this rehashed complaining stems from activity on the other forums. You know the ones I'm talking about. The place where the cool kids hang out and spend time talking about how lame the Warrior forum is.

    You see, the guys who chill on these forums are the true 1337 marketers, and not l4mz0rz like everyone here at WF. They "invent" ALL the real methods of making money, and anything posted anywhere else is just rehashed crap.

    In fact, they're sooo elite they have a whole massive section of their site dedicated to giving away information products--namely WSOs. Is it because they're desperately trying to find a way to make money quick (a.k.a. Silver Bullet Syndrome)?

    Of course not!

    They do it because information products are so useless they would be repulsed if anyone had to pay money for them.


    Originally Posted by coolkid1


    Hey guys I just picked up this product thought you'll might like it

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    hxxp://medifire.com/blahblah/
    snippet of sales page goes here
    ...
    Originally Posted by coolkid2

    What's it about, is it any good
    Originally Posted by coolkid1

    Have no idea, I've never even read it. I don't have time to try putting it in action because I'm too busy posting on this awesome forum
    Originally Posted by coolkid3

    Don't waste your time it's just about how to build a list, build relationships, create a product, do a preluanch, etc... Same ol' rehashed crap, I don't see how anyone would pay $17 for this. pure crap, can't believe I wasted my 45 minutes downloading all those videos
    Originally Posted by coolkid2

    Thank you so much for warning me, I almost wasted my time too


    The story of their members usually go something like this...

    Newbie joins WF

    Newbie buys a bunch of WSO and fails to make money

    Newbie post a bunch of newbie threads in the Main Discussion forum

    Newbie doesn't get the answers he was hoping for and figures out these methods require too much work

    Newbie keeps buying WSOs until he stumbles across one teaching some methods in the dark arts

    Newbie is intrigued about these opportunities to make easy money without working hard

    Newbie finds a new home in the other forum where he soon learns about how lame the WF and how everyone here is just ripping people off with their rehashed crap

    Newbie needs to fit in so he dubs himself a professional and starts practicing his WF bashing along with everyone else

    Time passes and Newbie still isn't making money, so he returns to the WF, but this practice of calling everything a rehash has stuck with him

    Newbie is still presenting himself as a professional and all the newer newbies look up to him and follow his lead

    The cycle continues...
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Sal, we've all been guilty of this at one point or another. It's a tempting notion to aspire to learn everything you possibly can about something before doing anything, and we have all bought into this myth before.

      Not only is this detrimental to taking action, we also don't realize that a lot of knowledge and expertise can only be gleaned through taking action, and not from reading books and watching videos on the subject matter.

      We should strive to spend more time implementing techniques/methods rather than learning about them, if we want to make the kind of 'breakthrough' progress that we all dream about.
      Periodically, we see threads from young folks asking if they should go to college or concentrate on IM, since the ones asking are inevitably 'making bank', 'crushing it' or some other expression of making money.

      (Yes, your honor, I do have a point. Yes, I'll make it now...)

      As anyone who has taken a class that involves chemistry, physics, something mechanical or electronic knows, you often memorize in the classroom and learn in the lab. Having a teacher tell you that mixing two chemicals is not a good idea has none of the effect of losing your eyebrows testing the statement.

      The same goes for anyone who has taken a programming course, or taught themselves to write code. Or graphic artists. Or...

      You can read all you want about the concepts, but unless you actually run your code or start stacking object in Photoshop, or whatever, you don't really know what you know for sure.

      If everything starts to sound rehashed, get your fanny out of the classroom and into the lab, dammit!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Paulie, I spent 3 years running a membership site for aspiring authors, and the biggest challenge over 90% of members had was info overload. And I always told them to acquire knowledge on a need-to-know basis. Only acquire it when you need it.

        And this I believe cuts to the core of the problem... people trying tolearn too much and getting nothing done. I was just as guilty as anyone when I started out.
        That's an astute observation, Sal. I gave someone advice a week or so ago along the same line. Told them they didn't have to everything before getting started, that they could learn as needed as they go along.

        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

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        You can read all you want about the concepts, but unless you actually run your code or start stacking object in Photoshop, or whatever, you don't really know what you know for sure.

        If everything starts to sound rehashed, get your fanny out of the classroom and into the lab, dammit!
        You nailed it, John. We can only learn so much by reading, the rest of our education comes from experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    I'll tell you the worst kind of rehashing.

    It's taking really good posts (like the sort we have in the War Room but also on other forums too) and then rewording them into an ebook and selling for $27.

    Those are the tactics that the Rehash King is famous for
    Brilliant idea-I can feel a ebook coming on-"Product Creation Gold: Secrets of Mining the Warrior Forum"-just kidding of course-that is a despicable tactic.
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