Speech to text epic fail for articles

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So I was thinking; since I still had vista I would finally try out the voice recognition feature to help churn out articles quicker.

This is the result of one sentence.

"The in five wall to wall your all link to you to not all in all your life or I'll L O in an oral"


I didn't say any of this by the way. Not one word was recognised and I spoke clearly and used basic words, but I found it mildly amusing

All joking aside - does anyone successfully use it to dictate their articles?

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  • Profile picture of the author sam770
    I dont think the speach recignition can really work for blogs
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ITS-V View Post

    "The in five wall to wall your all link to you to not all in all your life or I'll L O in an oral"
    It's not much of a threat, anyway, if you don't mind my mentioning it: one should always L.O. in a oral anyway. Or so I've been led to believe.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    Yes it's a PITA but it's faster for me to use it because I write from what I'm thinking. So, I write 500 words in 5-10 minutes with the speech tool (it will get better at understanding you) and then it takes me 1-2 minutes to correct them. So, for me aat least it's much faster. Plus some of the stuff it writes is hilarious.

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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by ArticlePrince View Post

      Yes it's a PITA but it's faster for me to use it because I write from what I'm thinking. So, I write 500 words in 5-10 minutes with the speech tool (it will get better at understanding you) and then it takes me 1-2 minutes to correct them. So, for me aat least it's much faster. Plus some of the stuff it writes is hilarious.

      Sean
      Yes but how do you actually get it to type things? Did you spend time training it on words you say. It wrote that sentence I shared slower than a dead tortoise.
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      • Profile picture of the author jbpatlanta
        I know that when I started using dragon, it took a while to go back and fix all the mistakes.

        Now it is so good at recognizing my southern draw, I only spend a few minutes editing it.

        I doubted that the software could learn how I speak, but I am a believer now.

        Jon

        PS. I still dictate, but honestly when I am writing on the fly, I can type just about as fast as I can think and dictate.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
          Originally Posted by jbpatlanta View Post

          I know that when I started using dragon, it took a while to go back and fix all the mistakes.

          Now it is so good at recognizing my southern draw, I only spend a few minutes editing it.

          I doubted that the software could learn how I speak, but I am a believer now.

          Jon

          PS. I still dictate, but honestly when I am writing on the fly, I can type just about as fast as I can think and dictate.
          Oh so you have to dictate with Dragon as well? Well that could be a problem I'll need to tell Houston about because quite honestly, like you, I can type faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradCarroll
    I guess I am a freak of nature: not only do I type faster than I speak, but my thinking is much better when I type than when I've got my mouth open. An obvious lesson for me, if for no one else...
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by BradCarroll View Post

      I guess I am a freak of nature: not only do I type faster than I speak, but my thinking is much better when I type than when I've got my mouth open. An obvious lesson for me, if for no one else...
      I find my writing has a different voice when I type than when I talk. I don't know if I type faster than I talk, but I prefer, most times to type instead of doing Speech to Text.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by BradCarroll View Post

      I guess I am a freak of nature: not only do I type faster than I speak, but my thinking is much better when I type than when I've got my mouth open. An obvious lesson for me, if for no one else...
      Brad I didn't want to say anything but ----> FREAK hahaha. I'm just messing with you. I totally hear what you're saying. I do a lot of mmm and rrrrr's when I actually do podcasts and presentations.
      My mind needs time to catch up, even when I'm talking slowly. I blame the fact I was raised in a old English pub from birth. The smell of hard liquor and pipe smoke obviously effected my brain from a young age. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Ouroboros
    I tried it for several days once only to discover that it doesn't understand my southern drawl. I finally found that I could type faster than I can correct errors.

    If it were intelligible enough to decipher later after a brainstorming session I could live with it, but what it transcribes vs what I say have little resemblance.

    I'll hold out for DNS or stick with the 10 finger technique.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post

      I tried it for several days once only to discover that it doesn't understand my southern drawl. I finally found that I could type faster than I can correct errors.

      If it were intelligible enough to decipher later after a brainstorming session I could live with it, but what it transcribes vs what I say have little resemblance.

      I'll hold out for DNS or stick with the 10 finger technique.
      Now the question Ouroboros: Was this trial before or after 6 beers?

      I think you should do podcasts. I think they would be highly entertaining. I would sub to your itunes channel in a heart beat!
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    That's a pretty good one! Have you tried Dragon Dictation, though? It's usually spot on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by AFI View Post

      That's a pretty good one! Have you tried Dragon Dictation, though? It's usually spot on.

      I'm going to investigate Dragon next...it's on my list. I've heard some really good things about it too.
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      • Profile picture of the author donhx
        Originally Posted by ITS-V View Post

        I'm going to investigate Dragon next...it's on my list. I've heard some really good things about it too.

        DNS is ideal. I have used it since version 6... it's now at version 11. It used to be as bad as Vista voice recognition, but it is near perfect now. You do need to do a little training so the program recognizes your inflections, accent, etc, but it's minimal in version 11.

        More training is needed for you rather than the program. It takes a few weeks to be able to learn to compose your thoughts and speak them in a logical and cohesive way. I suggest you work from an outline at first until you get the hang of being able to freely express yourself in a way that makes sense in writing.

        Nobody can type faster that you can dictate using DNS. A really good typist can do 60 wmp, 3600 words an hour if they can sustain it. Almost anyone can do 9600 words per hour with DNS if they know what they want to say.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
          Originally Posted by donhx View Post

          DNS is ideal. I have used it since version 6... it's now at version 11. It used to be as bad as Vista voice recognition, but it is near perfect now. You do need to do a little training so the program recognizes your inflections, accent, etc, but it's minimal in version 11.

          More training is needed for you rather than the program. It takes a few weeks to be able to learn to compose your thoughts and speak them in a logical and cohesive way. I suggest you work from an outline at first until you get the hang of being able to freely express yourself in a way that makes sense in writing.

          Nobody can type faster that you can dictate using DNS. A really good typist can do 60 wmp, 3600 words an hour if they can sustain it. Almost anyone can do 9600 words per hour with DNS if you know what they want to say.
          Thanks Don, this is actually quite encouraging. Truth be told I want to and expect to do everything at 100 miles per hour and I need to rectify that when it comes to training with software like this. I actually think now it may help my presentation skills in general - what do you think? I have some talks lined up for the next few months so this may be quite helpful train with in order to slow down and compose thoughts.
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          • Profile picture of the author donhx
            Originally Posted by ITS-V View Post

            Thanks Don, this is actually quite encouraging. Truth be told I want to and expect to do everything at 100 miles per hour and I need to rectify that when it comes to training with software like this. I actually think now it may help my presentation skills in general - what do you think? I have some talks lined up for the next few months so this may be quite helpful train with in order to slow down and compose thoughts.
            I think it helps both your writing and presentation skills in these ways:

            1. DNS requires that you organize your thoughts better in the beginning so you can dictate in bursts. This forces more organization on your presentation, always a plus for presenters.

            2. It is always good to "write like you speak" so when you dictate you rid yourself of the formalism in written text, something that is often a barrier to good communication.

            3. When the time for the presentation comes, you are already comfortable with verbalizing your material because that's the way you created it.

            By the way, you can also record what you want to say on a digital recorder, and DNS will convert that into text just as if you were dictating directly. When I create presentations I sometimes like to get the creative juices flowing so I go for a car ride or a walk and dictate into my recorder as I go. This creative aspect often makes my presentations better.
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            • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
              Originally Posted by donhx View Post

              I think it helps both your writing and presentation skills in these ways:

              1. DNS requires that you organize your thoughts better in the beginning so you can dictate in bursts. This forces more organization on your presentation, always a plus for presenters.

              2. It is always good to "write like you speak" so when you dictate you rid yourself of the formalism in written text, something that is often a barrier to good communication.

              3. When the time for the presentation comes, you are already comfortable with verbalizing your material because that's the way you created it.

              By the way, you can also record what you want to say on a digital recorder, and DNS will convert that into text just as if you were dictating directly.

              When I create presentations I sometimes like to get the creative juices flowing so I go for a car ride or a walk and dictate into my recorder as I go. This creative aspect often makes my presentations better.
              Thank you again, Don. I'm quite excited to try DNS now - and I will have another go anyway with Vista VR just to test really. DNS sounds like a much more 'intelligent' program if one works with it and 'trains' it.

              I love using my Dictaphone too but I often just do podcasts with it, never for speech/text articles. That said, I've never tried but it's great to know this is a function that you and some others have mentioned on this thread.

              As for point #2 I could not agree more. I think that is why some people read my stuff and think I'm actually in the room having a conversation with them. I personally much prefer reading articles and blogs with some 'voice character.' I'm more likely to retain the information in that style of writing.
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              • Profile picture of the author adamv
                Originally Posted by ITS-V View Post

                So I was thinking; since I still had vista I would finally try out the voice recognition feature to help churn out articles quicker.

                This is the result of one sentence.

                "The in five wall to wall your all link to you to not all in all your life or I’ll L O in an oral"


                I didn't say any of this by the way. Not one word was recognised and I spoke clearly and used basic words, but I found it mildly amusing

                All joking aside - does anyone successfully use it to dictate their articles?

                V
                I've tried Vista's speach recognition a couple of times and had terrible results with it. I have been using Dragon Naturally Speaking for a couple of years now and it works very well for me. I use it nearly every day and I'm very happy with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author excuzemee
    I use it and it's getting to know me better. Sometimes it does get wonky though. It's more of a dictation tool than speech recognition or voice to writer. You have to speak in dictation. first sentence. blah blah comma blah period new paragraph blah blah quotations number 4 blah blah blah end quotations period

    I used to lose my train of thought or run off in a different tangent until I got better speaking with punctuation.

    The software gets better the more you use it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by excuzemee View Post

      I use it and it's getting to know me better. Sometimes it does get wonky though. It's more of a dictation tool than speech recognition or voice to writer. You have to speak in dictation. first sentence. blah blah comma blah period new paragraph blah blah quotations number 4 blah blah blah end quotations period

      I used to lose my train of thought or run off in a different tangent until I got better speaking with punctuation.

      The software gets better the more you use it.
      This is very handy to know and I guess this is what I did wrong. I just want to speak and that's it. The time it takes to say, comma, full stop etc, I could have done three articles. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    I haven't tried Vista's built in speach to text function but I do prefer to use Dragon Naturally Speaking. Once you train it to recognize your voice it works efficently enough to avoid the dreaded L O in an oral.

    Respectfuly,
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by TimG View Post

      I haven't tried Vista's built in speach to text function but I do prefer to use Dragon Naturally Speaking. Once you train it to recognize your voice it works efficently enough to avoid the dreaded L O in an oral.

      Respectfuly,
      Tim
      LOL Honestly Tim, I nearly died when it brought up the 'L O in an oral' thing. I'm like, 'where did that come from?' HA! I literally talked to my own monitor and said, 'hey that's not what I said.'

      Interested to know more about the Dragon software but I'm still unsure whether it's straight speech or dictation speech?
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      • Profile picture of the author TimG
        Originally Posted by ITS-V View Post

        LOL Honestly Tim, I nearly died when it brought up the 'L O in an oral' thing. I'm like, 'where did that come from?' HA! I literally talked to my own monitor and said, 'hey that's not what I said.'

        Interested to know more about the Dragon software but I'm still unsure whether it's straight speech or dictation speech?
        It works welll enough for me without having to talk in a dictation type manner and I have an older version. As Donhx mentioned, the latest version is probably much, much better but I'm unqualified to comment on it since I don't own that version.

        Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    In both programs DNS and MS, when you are speaking this does not override the keyboard. You can always hit the keys for period, comma, etc. instead of saying the word.
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  • Profile picture of the author beempa
    On Windows 7, I love it. It works great for me -- but you do have to TRAIN the system to your voice and you really have to annunciate clearly with a head mic. I find that table mics don't work as well. My wife is Russian, therefore it doesn't work at all for her due to her accent, so it definitely doesn't work for everyone.

    I can write a 800 word article in about 10 minutes. The best part is that I am READING another article aloud and rewriting it at the same time by speaking in my own *tongue* so to speak. So while an article may read "The Chicago Bears defeated the Jets in dramatic fashion," -- I will say it differently aloud, such as "The Bears put a smack down on the Jets and rallied behind Cutler."

    When it's all done, I review it and then correct the mistakes, which takes about another 5 minutes. But I love it -- as I speak faster than I type -- much faster. It's not perfect -- but I have no problem doing this rather than pay someone to write it for me. Much better on the budget for blog postings and article marketing.

    I did try to hook up a youtube video for a review type of article -- but it didn't work out so well... so I still have to repeat what is said manually because on videos, people talk too fast for the speech recognition software I think. As I said, you do have to speak slowly and annunciate correctly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by beempa View Post

      On Windows 7, I love it. It works great for me -- but you do have to TRAIN the system to your voice and you really have to annunciate clearly with a head mic. I find that table mics don't work as well. My wife is Russian, therefore it doesn't work at all for her due to her accent, so it definitely doesn't work for everyone.

      I can write a 800 word article in about 10 minutes. The best part is that I am READING another article aloud and rewriting it at the same time by speaking in my own *tongue* so to speak. So while an article may read "The Chicago Bears defeated the Jets in dramatic fashion," -- I will say it differently aloud, such as "The Bears put a smack down on the Jets and rallied behind Cutler."

      When it's all done, I review it and then correct the mistakes, which takes about another 5 minutes. But I love it -- as I speak faster than I type -- much faster. It's not perfect -- but I have no problem doing this rather than pay someone to write it for me. Much better on the budget for blog postings and article marketing.

      I did try to hook up a youtube video for a review type of article -- but it didn't work out so well... so I still have to repeat what is said manually because on videos, people talk too fast for the speech recognition software I think. As I said, you do have to speak slowly and annunciate correctly.
      Ran out of thanks but I'll be sure to come back and thank when I get the quota back. I appreciate your input.

      My teen son has windows 7 - I wonder if it's an improvement or I'm just being an impatient little madam? I'll swing by the latter. Dare I borrow his sacred laptop to test it? :p

      My accent is not localised really. Not like British Northern or Liverpudlian. It's just basic. I think what I've learned from this thread is the fact I need to train whatever I decide to use and be patient.
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    When you unbox Dragon Naturally Speaking think of what you have in your hands is a tiny little infant(Lizard?), or Pokey Little Puppy, your call.

    It needs to be feed, watered, pooped and trained to play well with others.

    It will learn fast, very fast, but if you don't teach it to NOT paint on the walls and your other rules, then don't get all huffy if it does so AND poops on your furniture too.
    Like little pups or infants it doesn't like to be ignored. Oh, you can turn off your computer sure and think all is right with the world, but it is probably conspiring against you and laughing at you and grinning like a Possum eating Sh*t, when you try to use it without training that little Bas***d

    Dragon includes several texts for training. The more you use it AND correct it immediately, then the more accurate it will become.

    I like using it for voice notes I have recorded into an mp3 player/recorder I carry. If you have that feature on your cell phone, you can use that too, but, BIG BUT! you need to train it for each device.

    It can take you HOURS to get it to behave properly. Do the training upfront to avoid future frustrations. Keep in mind it will never be 100% perfect. We all can make mistakes, so go easy on it. NO time-out chairs! And don't ass-u-me it will catch odd words like, oh maybe Wladziu "Walter" Lee Valentino's (Liberace) Pink Lame Rhine-Stone Ostrich Cape.

    When you use it and it errors, right then you will be best served to edit/add/correct that word error in the database and it will be correct the next time it analyzes those same word/s.

    DNS is really pretty darned slick.

    John "Mr Thick Skinned Big Butt Triceratops"
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by John M Kane View Post

      When you unbox Dragon Naturally Speaking think of what you have in your hands is a tiny little infant(Lizard?), or Pokey Little Puppy, your call.

      It needs to be feed, watered, pooped and trained to play well with others.

      It will learn fast, very fast, but if you don't teach it to NOT paint on the walls and your other rules, then don't get all huffy if it does so AND poops on your furniture too.
      Like little pups or infants it doesn't like to be ignored. Oh, you can turn off your computer sure and think all is right with the world, but it is probably conspiring against you and laughing at you and grinning like a Possum eating Sh*t, when you try to use it without training that little Bas***d

      Dragon includes several texts for training. The more you use it AND correct it immediately, then the more accurate it will become.

      I like using it for voice notes I have recorded into an mp3 player/recorder I carry. If you have that feature on your cell phone, you can use that too, but, BIG BUT! you need to train it for each device.

      It can take you HOURS to get it to behave properly. Do the training upfront to avoid future frustrations. Keep in mind it will never be 100% perfect. We all can make mistakes, so go easy on it. NO time-out chairs! And don't ass-u-me it will catch odd words like, oh maybe Wladziu "Walter" Lee Valentino's (Liberace) Pink Lame Rhine-Stone Ostrich Cape.

      When you use it and it errors, right then you will be best served to edit/add/correct that word error in the database and it will be correct the next time it analyzes those same word/s.

      DNS is really pretty darned slick.

      John "Mr Thick Skinned Big Butt Triceratops"
      Thanks so much! This was excellent and perfectly explains what I need to do. Not just with DNS but with any software.

      It's been a super long time since I had a baby of any kind but I'm sure the nurturing mindset will come back.

      This simple thread has actually presented a challenge to learn a program like DNS - if only to come back here in a few months time and say - I tamed the dragon. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Speech to text is getting better, but we need a better AI program. Sadly, very little work is done on AI now. Most people feel that artificial intelligence is science fiction, when it is a real science. If only we could get a brand new company to jump in. There is a market for this exciting product, but we need to interest new companies.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimG
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Speech to text is getting better, but we need a better AI program. Sadly, very little work is done on AI now. Most people feel that artificial intelligence is science fiction, when it is a real science. If only we could get a brand new company to jump in. There is a market for this exciting product, but we need to interest new companies.
      What's preventing a new company from entering the market? Is is the cost barrier? I thought we had lots of companies working/researching this market with the intent to bring out some innovative programs in the future. Your comments appear to have dimmed that excitement for me just a bit.

      Respectfully,
      Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    I find the speech recognition in Windows 7 to be a godsend, my production increases at least four-fold whenever I use it. In fact I'd go as far as to rate it as the greatest productivity tool since the computer itself. I'm dead serious.

    The results you had are likely the result of (a) a low-quality microphone and/or (b) not spending a few hours training the system (time you will make back rapidly as soon as you start to use it).

    With a high quality microphone and some time spent training the system I would estimate that I get about 95 - 98 percent accuracy from the Windows 7 speech recognition. Having been involved in a speech-recognition application development in the mid 1990's I find this to be astounding.

    FYI I always use Notepad and "talk" into that, I find not having the overhead of MS Word or Open Office really improves performance - in fact I can get great performance even on a little Netbook! After I have my text in Notepad I copy and paste into Word and then do may fancy editing and formatting. Still takes a quarter of the time than it would to type it manually, at least in my case.

    Bill

    P.S. The microphone does not have to be expensive, I use a Microsoft LifeChat headphone/microphone with excellent results. Now if only I could find a Bluetooth microphone with acceptable quality, I could walk around the house all day talking to my computer!
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