How to avoid plagiarism?

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Hi!

I'm new to the warrior forum, I often heard about it, now looked at it myself and apparantly its the biggest forum for internet marketers, that's why I think at least you are able to answer my question

The problem is I dont want to get into trouble due to plagiarism. What is legal to copy and what isn't?
and more importantly:

what is accepted by the competitors?
(I don't want to get a bad reputation, since I want to do some JV's with them, and actually, I like them since I learned from them, too so I have no intention to hurt their business)

I mean, knowledge doesn't miracously fall into somebody's lap, everybody learned from somebody or somewhere.
So may I use what I learned in a seminar to sell my own products?
May I use what I researched in the internet?
May I use what I learned from other products, like ebooks videos etc?

Of course, I don't just copy directly what I want to "use". I want to combine the little "truths" from various knowledge sources and want to create a "new" product that describes the topic and solves the customers problems in my personal, own way, all the information would be conveyed through my personal perspective.
It's not my intention to "copy&paste" my competitors texts to save work. I DO put effort into it, i'll do it differently in my own way, still, my question is may I do that, even if a lot of my knowledge comes from competitors products?
(well the most knowledge comes from free sources, but my best ideas are based upen my competitors ideas which I processed further)
I also found out a lot by myself by combining different sources, discarding the mistakes and only taking the best from each source, I could make even a more high quality product than my competitors...
Is it wrong to do that? I mean, nobody has to tell me that all my competitors (doesn't even matter in which niche) invented everything themselves...

What is accepted to "re-use" from others and what is sooo unique that it's not?
If an idea is that unique, may I at least take it with reference to the competitor and comment on it/elaborate on it? (cause the elaboration was my "intellectual work" the problem is, I have to present my competitors idea, so I can show how I elaborated on it)
what if that idea is contained in a charged product? May I elaborate on it even if I risk to reveal fee-required information from my competitor to my customers?

I'm not asking how to get away with plagiarism, I'm asking how can I build upon other peoples ideas without pissing them off?
Do you have any strategies on that? I think most of you have to deal with this, since, no matter how unique your product is, as long as you have competitors you must have something that is similiar, else you wouldn't identify each other as "competitors"

So what are your thoughts on this?

I 'd gladly give a concrete example if necessary.
#avoid #competitor #plagiarism
  • Profile picture of the author johnny_h
    It sounds like you're taking enough care not to plagiarize that you probably won't have any problems with products that you release. If you're not blatantly copy & pasting, and using ideas that you've learned from various sources in conjunction with your own experience, you shouldn't have any trouble.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesburchill
      First caveat - I'm NOT a lawyer

      Typically though, the 25% rule is a fair guide. That is, if you change and/or adapt more than 25% of the content it becomes original.

      However, it does sound like you are taking the first step correctly -- AWARENESS. And that will go a long way to helping you avoid getting on the wrong side of the copyright laws.

      If you want to be 100% certain of avoiding issues, START OVER and write your own stuff from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author grannywriteswell
    One of the easiest ways to avoid plagiarism is to paraphrase the things you have learned - put them in your own words. This will also have the advantage of helping your own personality come across in your products, which in turn will make them more unique and sellable.

    The key thing is to give value to your client and no-body can achieve that by simply copying someone else's ideas. But if you take an idea you learned at a seminar for example, and then added your own spin and thoughts to it, and maybe included a couple of personal stories on how that idea worked for you - then you will be giving value to your clients as well - the skill you learned AND your experience with it.

    Best of luck
    Ellen
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    • Profile picture of the author capaloha
      A friend of mine is a college professor. He detects plagiarism by typing sentence fragments into google (under quotes). You'd be amazed how many times a phrase will come back with multiple links.

      I figure this is a pretty good test for yourself as well.

      Try it.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForeignProfessor
        Originally Posted by capaloha View Post

        A friend of mine is a college professor. He detects plagiarism by typing sentence fragments into google (under quotes). You'd be amazed how many times a phrase will come back with multiple links.

        I figure this is a pretty good test for yourself as well.

        Try it.
        This is exactly what I do I bust at least one or two students a semester
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    I think plagiarism is always there as long as the online world will not set a law about that. And also you can avoid plagiarism by starting with your own self.
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    • Profile picture of the author 83bob71
      thanks for the great comments!

      Yeah I'm going to use my own words absolutely!

      The reason why I'm asking is this:

      I'm working in the martial arts/qigong/esoteric niche.

      One of my competitors found absolutely great qigong exercises, that he sells (with a bunch of other stuff) through his products.
      The problem is, he doesn't talk much about certain problems that could occur to people dealing with xy health issues etc.
      I also know about some tweaks to that exercise.

      My idea would be to take that exercise and make it part of a membership program as a videoproduct, but with way more explaining about what's happening on the background of that exercise, that means, not just the step to step instruction but with much more theory behind it. So I need to show the actual exercise, cause without it, my theory has no meaning.

      The problem is:
      1. The exercise seems to be special, I couldn't find it on the net elsewhere so I would view it somehow as his property. (as opposed to common stances like the lotus position) (what's your opinion on this?)
      2. I can't change it that much so it couldn't be recognized anymore (due to it's simple nature)

      So what would you suggest me to do?
      a) just being honest, keeping the original name of the exercise and giving a reference to its inventor (or finder? =P), but risking him forcing me to take my product down or even suing me due to unallowed copyright infringement and I couldn't even deny that anymore as I admit it on video
      or
      b) trying to camouflage it as much as possible (invent a new name, mix some other stuff in it), and when the competitor finds out, just denying it and explaining its something different, I found elsewhere

      asking for permission is useless, as he would never want to risk giving away the value of his products to a nobody (which I still am, not having started yet in the market)

      This competitor is one of my closest, the audience he is targeting is very similiar to mine, that's why he would be a perfect JV and it would be cool not loosing him (it's hard to find a competent competitor/JV there)

      So how would you estimate this situation through the perspective of that competitor?
      Would you be cool with it?
      Any idea how what to do?

      At least from a legal point of view this should be ok, shouldn't it? (I know you're no lawyer but definately more experienced as I am)

      I'm trying to add value with my "intellectual property" (my ideas) to my products, but I have to show the exercise from somebody else as a reference. (TO be honest, it's not even the whole exercise, just a part of it)
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  • Profile picture of the author 83bob71
    That's true, but it's hard to come up with something new on a topic that existed for more than a couple of thousand years...
    even though most people would beleive this, there is an actual logic behind all that qigong and esoteric stuff, so there is no way I can just make something up.

    The only thing I can do is, observing certain things and integrating them in the system I learned, and teaching it in my own way.

    That's what I want to do, take the exercise and integrate it in the system I know, that apparantly is a bit more complex and advanced than that of my competitor...
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    • Profile picture of the author 83bob71
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      If you put what you know into your own words, you'll be fine. Your perspective is unique. Something as profound as qiqong is multi-faceted.
      Would you risk giving credit or rather disguise it as much as possible? (or something entirely different?)

      I know which the moral thing to do would be, but I rather want to know what has the lowest probability of giving me trouble, just in case...
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  • Profile picture of the author alycemackie
    It is hard to avoid that plagiarism unless people are disciplined enough not to do that. It will of course start from the hearts of the people.
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  • Profile picture of the author derrickschwan
    Your own, create an article from own thoughts then you can avoid plagiarism. Well anyway thanks for the reminder, thanks for the tips.
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    • Profile picture of the author 83bob71
      @jamesburchill: Thanks, that 25% rule makes me feel comfortable as I don't even copy 10% let alone 75%

      @grannywriteswell:
      that advice is awesome, I also thought this way, but there is only so much you can do to show somebody a simple qigong exercisein a unique way. (though I think my background knowledge will make up for it)

      @capaloha:
      Well, I'm not even talking about directly blatantly copying something! I just want to build upon the ideas of others...

      @Ken_Caudill:
      thanks that's motivating me to go ahead

      @derrickschwan:
      Ken_Caudill already gave me this advice in his first post

      go to Post #9 of this topic for my answer.

      This is how I'll do it:
      I take just a little part of their qigong exercise (the one that I can elaborate on the most) and bundle that with many other great exercises to a BIG exercise.
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