Disturbing Flippa Auction

by Adie
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I just found out an auction regarding a smoking-related domain and the seller is asking for $800,000. I don't think this is a typo and I think he is serious. And the listing closes 5 in months.. Though I respect the seller's choice of BIN, I think his price is beyond imagination... not even a premium domain...
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  • Profile picture of the author TheKing
    may be the product is getting good amount of sales
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      Originally Posted by punjabi View Post

      may be the product is getting good amount of sales
      LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..
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      • Profile picture of the author skibbz
        Originally Posted by Adie View Post

        LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..
        This guy must be living in a dream, The site must have
        (1) A large amount of clients
        (2) a proven track record of sales well beyond $800,000 within even a 5 year span for anyone to even consider it.

        he must be playing around to seek attention...lol
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          I'm getting a warning from ZoneAlarm when trying to visit the site! I've attached a screenshot.
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          • Profile picture of the author Adie
            Originally Posted by Myles Sinclair View Post

            I'm getting a warning from ZoneAlarm when trying to visit the site! I've attached a screenshot.
            The warning that you are getitng is from the redirection site. here is a direct link:
            https://flippa.com/auctions/123280/Pro-Smoking-Lobby

            LOL, zonealarm is tough...makes my connection so slow so I quit using it..
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
          Living in a dream maybe... but I like dreams...even the unrealistic ones . That said, I have had some interest in it. Nothing more than tire kicking I think but that's cool.

          Originally Posted by skibbz View Post

          This guy must be living in a dream, The site must have
          (1) A large amount of clients
          (2) a proven track record of sales well beyond $800,000 within even a 5 year span for anyone to even consider it.

          he must be playing around to seek attention...lol
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        Originally Posted by Adie View Post

        LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..


        This post made my day!! hahahahahaha!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
          Hi guys, I own this domain and tbh am pretty surprised at most of the comments. I didn't realise it would raise the hackles so much and the abuse I've copped for posting it has been pretty amazing. Definitely an eye opener. But I'll keep my manners in.

          It's actually a genuine auction/sale and here's the situation. When you list a sale at Flippa you only get the option to nominate one price and one time frame (6 mths was the max so I chose that). Now, I don't know how it's going to go so I've priced it high and allowed a lot of time to go by to see how it goes. That makes business sense as I think I can drop the price if nothing happens. I'm just trying to feel out the market. No point in underselling it I reckon.

          For the record when I registered it in 08 a big "This is a premium domain" sign came up so as far as I know it is a premium domain. Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous. The initial idea was to see what support for a smoking lobby there was. And that's still the purpose. Getting it off the ground has been an interesting experience but, that's another story. What I can say is the pc crowd are in full swing and I see them chipping away at our civil liberties. Some might be happy to relinquish them but I'm not.

          From my perspective if it sells, fine, if it doesn't, fine. But within the next six months I plan to pitch it to different companies who have a vested interest in smoking. If someone with more clout than I decides to take it off my hands, great, otherwise I'll just keep going with it. All I lose is the listing fee so it's worth a shot.

          Anyway, hope that sheds some light.
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            Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

            Hi guys, I own this domain and tbh am pretty surprised at most of the comments. I didn't realise it would raise the hackles so much and the abuse I've copped for posting it has been pretty amazing. Definitely an eye opener. But I'll keep my manners in.

            It's actually a genuine auction/sale and here's the situation. When you list a sale at Flippa you only get the option to nominate one price and one time frame (6 mths was the max so I chose that). Now, I don't know how it's going to go so I've priced it high and allowed a lot of time to go by to see how it goes. That makes business sense as I think I can drop the price if nothing happens. I'm just trying to feel out the market. No point in underselling it I reckon.

            For the record when I registered it in 08 a big "This is a premium domain" sign came up so as far as I know it is a premium domain. Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous. The initial idea was to see what support for a smoking lobby there was. And that's still the purpose. Getting it off the ground has been an interesting experience but, that's another story. What I can say is the pc crowd are in full swing and I see them chipping away at our civil liberties. Some might be happy to relinquish them but I'm not.

            From my perspective if it sells, fine, if it doesn't, fine. But within the next six months I plan to pitch it to different companies who have a vested interest in smoking. If someone with more clout than I decides to take it off my hands, great, otherwise I'll just keep going with it. All I lose is the listing fee so it's worth a shot.

            Anyway, hope that sheds some light.
            Hi,

            Thanks for joining warriorforum and you are welcome. No offense if your case has been discussed here, after all, we cannot control the Internet. Once you post something on Flippa where people are buying and selling websites and domains, expect some criticism. You can't just say you don't care. People are making money with Flippa (like me) and if there's anything strange happens (like your auction), expect some reactions.

            I believe you are new to domaining and I'm giving you that a great excuse, but consider this a learning and an eye opener. I understand that your domain has something to do with what is happening in your area about smoking but the thing is, people don't care. For instance, there are hundreds of people dying every month because of aids, I can't just pick a "howtoavoidedyingfromaids.com" and offer it for $500,000. Does people in your area are searching for google on how to stop smoking? How many of them do this? Any earning potential or any product to sell to these people to monetize your domain? There are lots of questions......

            The cost of the domain depends on how many people are actually searching for products related to that domain....... and I don't see any one searching for "pro smoking lobby" on google....

            Take a look at these most expensive domains sold and compare yours...

            Most Expensive Domain Names ever SOLD

            Originally Posted by David Louis Monk View Post

            If this domain is likely to go big, you should also buy up the .net .org .biz etc domains to ensure the value of the domain name is retained. There will be copycats climbing on board and taking advantage.

            If you get $1000s for the sale the price of the competing domains would make a more valuable package if you say these are included.
            If this domain has an earning potential, I can register the rest of the extensions and easily outrank the .com for free using my knowledge in SEO.. and the one that paid $800,000 need to spend another couple of thousand dollars and use all of his resources to outrank my .net.. LOL. (That's if this is a good domain - but it's not)
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              Originally Posted by Adie View Post


              Those top couple sold say a lot about our society
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            • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
              Originally Posted by Adie View Post

              Hi,

              I can't just pick a "howtoavoidedyingfromaids.com" and offer it for $500,000. [/URL]


              Yes you can. Nothing whatsoever stopping you doing it.

              I see real life bricks and mortar businesses listed at way above their real value but it doesn't stop people making an offer.

              I really can't see whats disturbing about offering a domain at a high price , I certainly won't be losing sleep over it.
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            • Originally Posted by Adie View Post

              Take a look at these most expensive domains sold and compare yours...

              Most Expensive Domain Names ever SOLD
              FYI, one of my former business partners (Kelly) is the guy who owned autos.com and sold it in 1999.
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                Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

                FYI, one of my former business partners (Kelly) is the guy who owned autos.com and sold it in 1999.
                Hi Steve,

                Good to hear that.. I sold a blog before to one of the biggest online companies and until now I'm still proud knowing that once I established a site that become popular today....

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          • Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

            Hi guys, I own this domain and tbh am pretty surprised at most of the comments. I didn't realise it would raise the hackles so much and the abuse I've copped for posting it has been pretty amazing. Definitely an eye opener. But I'll keep my manners in.

            It's actually a genuine auction/sale and here's the situation. When you list a sale at Flippa you only get the option to nominate one price and one time frame (6 mths was the max so I chose that). Now, I don't know how it's going to go so I've priced it high and allowed a lot of time to go by to see how it goes. That makes business sense as I think I can drop the price if nothing happens. I'm just trying to feel out the market. No point in underselling it I reckon.

            For the record when I registered it in 08 a big "This is a premium domain" sign came up so as far as I know it is a premium domain. Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous. The initial idea was to see what support for a smoking lobby there was. And that's still the purpose. Getting it off the ground has been an interesting experience but, that's another story. What I can say is the pc crowd are in full swing and I see them chipping away at our civil liberties. Some might be happy to relinquish them but I'm not.

            From my perspective if it sells, fine, if it doesn't, fine. But within the next six months I plan to pitch it to different companies who have a vested interest in smoking. If someone with more clout than I decides to take it off my hands, great, otherwise I'll just keep going with it. All I lose is the listing fee so it's worth a shot.

            Anyway, hope that sheds some light.
            I understand your idea in theory but I think you are basing your sale on the hopes that the laws get super ridiculous here in Oz and it causes a big fuss and everyone turns to the Internet and all of a sudden you have a very potentially profitable domain.

            I would really try and sell that idea in your auction listing, you need to educate to potential buyers why your site is something they should be interested in.

            Also no offense but the site looks tacky and amateurish, for that price tag people would expect to see a professional looking site.

            What I would do is shell out a few hundred bucks and get a really swish looking site with professional logo and graphics, the whole works and at least make it look expensive.

            But hey your generating some interest so you must be doing something right

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              Thanks for the feedback Tristan. I normally design my sites from the ground up (mymoviescripts.com is an example of one I reckon looks ok) but decided to do a wordpress theme so people could post comments. I will definately give it a redesign though and fill out the Flippa description...and pull the price back. Thanks again.
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              Originally Posted by Tristan Bull View Post


              What I would do is shell out a few hundred bucks and get a really swish looking site with professional logo and graphics, the whole works and at least make it look expensive.

              But hey your generating some interest so you must be doing something right

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              Good point.... also consider setting up a link to an online petition and then issuing some press releases.. do a face book group etc... pretty soon you'd have a valuable commodity
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            Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

            Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous.
            It's not just in Oz. There's a law in Seattle which says you can't smoke within a certain distance of a building's entrance, and that distance is more than half the width of the street. So there are several square miles of downtown Seattle where it's actually illegal to smoke at all, because you're ALWAYS too close to a building's entrance.

            For what it's worth, I think what you're doing is precisely what you ought to be doing, and all the people complaining seem to forget that the pro-smoking lobby is likely sponsored by multi-billion-dollar corporate interests.
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            • Profile picture of the author Adie
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              It's not just in Oz. There's a law in Seattle which says you can't smoke within a certain distance of a building's entrance, and that distance is more than half the width of the street. So there are several square miles of downtown Seattle where it's actually illegal to smoke at all, because you're ALWAYS too close to a building's entrance.

              For what it's worth, I think what you're doing is precisely what you ought to be doing, and all the people complaining seem to forget that the pro-smoking lobby is likely sponsored by multi-billion-dollar corporate interests.
              I understand that this keyword is important but then again, in domaining business, what important is the data. We are talking about the historical data and nothing else... You can't tell someone who wanted to get pregnant to buy this "get pregnant medicine" for $5,000 because you believe that it has a great potential to make you pregnant even without evidence, without clinical study, without approval of bureau of drugs, etc.. And yes, there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of women in the planet who wanted to get pregnant and they are desperate too... Offering without proof is swindling....

              "pro smoking lobby" - broad global searches = 10 / monthly searches = 20 - only the dumb of dumbest will pay even $1,000 for this domain.....

              Do I need to explain myself? Even this thread reaches 10000 posts, I'll stay with my argument...
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              • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
                Originally Posted by Adie View Post

                I understand that this keyword is important but then again, in domaining business, what important is the data. We are talking about the historical data and nothing else.
                Just to clarify, there are domain buyers who do require "data", but the largest pool of domain buyers do not. They buy based on intrinsic value of the domain name.

                I've been a full time domainer for 7+ years. The majority of the domains I've sold (thousands) have zero or almost zero "data". No traffic, no backlinks, no rankings, no monetization. I'm referring mostly to the sub 1K market though, as well as some 5-figure sales. When one is asking 5 figures or more for a domain, it either has to be an exceptional domain name in itself, or one that does have external strengths like traffic, etc.

                Whether or not the OP sells this domain set for such a premium price depends more on the ability to catch the eye of a buyer that can't live without it. Extremely unlikely, but kudos to the OP for starting at the top just to get the feedback and eyeballs he needs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
        Originally Posted by Adie View Post

        LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..
        I looked into this a little further, and at first it did appear that the .net was available according to some whois lookups and such. But interestingly, the auction lists several domains included, which does include the .net... And you know what? They are already registered even though some lookups show them as available.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.
      Ya, they should start telling people how much they can charge for their own property. After that, they could make it mandatory that if you make over a certain amount, you must give some of your money to people that didn't make that much with their Flippa auctions.

      Why does this all sound so eerily familiar?
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      • Profile picture of the author garyv
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Ya, they should start telling people how much they can charge for their own property. After that, they could make it mandatory that if you make over a certain amount, you must give some of your money to people that didn't make that much with their Flippa auctions.

        Why does this all sound so eerily familiar?
        Sorry, but this is absolutely nothing like that LOL - There's no way in hell you're going to get a million people driving by your shack if you decide to sell it for 10 million dollars more than it's worth.

        And the reason I said it should be stopped, is because if everyone started using this tactic to get traffic, then it would diminish the purpose of flippa. Just like traffic seekers have destroyed many other sites on the internet.
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        • Profile picture of the author candoit2
          Originally Posted by garyv View Post

          Sorry, but this is absolutely nothing like that LOL - There's no way in hell you're going to get a million people driving by your shack if you decide to sell it for 10 million dollars more than it's worth.

          And the reason I said it should be stopped, is because if everyone started using this tactic to get traffic, then it would diminish the purpose of flippa. Just like traffic seekers have destroyed many other sites on the internet.
          I go to flippa every day and I never saw this auction, and wouldn't have given it more than a glance if I did.

          The only reason I paid any attention to it was because of this thread.

          Running around to forums and drawing attention to the auction only encourages others to use it as a traffic method themselves.

          The more debate and fuss made about the auction only creates more buzz and traffic to the person's site.

          If anything those who are worried and predicting about Flippa's demise or eventually being over run with these types of listings are creating a self fulfilling prophecy IMO.

          Let people sell whatever price they want, and if you don't like it, then don't advertise it for them. :-)

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          • Profile picture of the author garyv
            Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post


            If anything those who are worried and predicting about Flippa's demise or eventually being over run with these types of listings are creating a self fulfilling prophecy IMO.

            Let people sell whatever price they want, and if you don't like it, then don't advertise it for them. :-)

            Aaron

            First - I'm not the one that started this thread - nor would I. But it doesn't matter, because someone always does, which is why people use the method. And I never predicted Flippa's demise, I said it would diminish their purpose. And those type of things happen because of those that use these methods - not because people predict it will happen.

            Using a website for something other than it's intended purpose to gain traffic and sales, will ultimately diminish that website's purpose. It's not rocket-science. Just ask Myspace or Craigslist.
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        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        Ya, they should start telling people how much they can charge for their own property. After that, they could make it mandatory that if you make over a certain amount, you must give some of your money to people that didn't make that much with their Flippa auctions.

        Why does this all sound so eerily familiar?

        If you think buying a used car for $1000 and selling it for $50,00 just because you think your car worth that much then go for it... but do not offer it in public who knows the real price of the car... Yes, people can charge whatever property they have for whatever amount they want but asking public to buy it is another story.....

        Originally Posted by AaronJones

        Let people sell whatever price they want, and if you don't like it, then don't advertise it for them. :-)
        Sorry but if I am one of the owners of Flippa, I would ask the seller to explain why he is offering such unbelievable price, otherwise I will delete his auction for some reason. I don't want my business to look bad for people who understand the real business.... It's like the other forum out there - I was a very active member before, but ever since I noticed a lot of people doing stupid things, I left.... see the decline of the membership of that forum and what's left there are people who are doing stupid things with adsense and things like that. Heck, I even read the last post of of a known member here saying goodbye in that forum too for the very same reason....
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        • Profile picture of the author candoit2
          Originally Posted by Adie View Post

          Sorry but if I am one of the owners of Flippa, I would ask the seller to explain why he is offering such unbelievable price, otherwise I will delete his auction for some reason. I don't want my business to look bad for people who understand the real business.... It's like the other forum out there - I was a very active member before, but ever since I noticed a lot of people doing stupid things, I left.... see the decline of the membership of that forum and what's left there are people who are doing stupid things with adsense and things like that. Heck, I even read the last post of of a known member here saying goodbye in that forum too for the very same reason....
          Adie, are you stopping anything by complaining on this forum about what goes on at other forums?

          Has the person with the listing gained exposure and traffic to their site from your energy?

          Who is getting what they wanted?

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          • Profile picture of the author Adie
            Originally Posted by AaronJones View Post

            Adie, are you stopping anything by complaining on this forum about what goes on at other forums?

            Has the person with the listing gained exposure and traffic to their site from your energy?

            Who is getting what they wanted?

            Aaron
            I am not complaining; I am comparing 2 similar things. Heck, I can register all domains I want and tell people to buy this and buy that because this has huge potential - do you people really want this to happen?

            I work with facts and data, not with just assumptions.....
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            • Profile picture of the author Adie
              Originally Posted by voicetec View Post

              wow...guys i'm a newbie marketer and this tread has deffo opened my eyes...

              the opportunities on the internet just seem endless....
              What "opportunities" on this thread are you referring to? Selling crap domain? LOL
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      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.
      Agreed. I think it's just a way to get folks to the site which apparently working if you are all checking it out. haha.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
      Mmmm, I wouldn't have thought about that if you hadn't mentioned it...

      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.
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    Hmm, after looking at the website, I'd have to say that I have no clue as to the intentions of this person. You're right it's disturbing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Hmm, after looking at the website, I'd have to say that I have no clue as to the intentions of this person. You're right it's disturbing.
      Tt's hard to read other people's mind.. LOL... I think he just need traffic from Flippa..
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      • Profile picture of the author Vogin
        Here's a suggestion:

        The owner wants to get a traffic boost before he'll actually list it for a more reasonable price, so he'll keep it up for a while and then re-list it...

        On the other hand, you only need one guy out of, say, 3 billions people connected to the Internet who would buy it, so... Never ever underestimate what customers are capable of.

        Would you mind PMing me the URL of the auction? I'd like to see how this peculiar auction turns out...
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        • Profile picture of the author Adie
          Originally Posted by Vogin View Post

          Here's a suggestion:

          The owner wants to get a traffic boost before he'll actually list it for a more reasonable price, so he'll keep it up for a while and then re-list it...

          On the other hand, you only need one guy out of, say, 3 billions people connected to the Internet who would buy it, so... Never ever underestimate what customers are capable of.

          Would you mind PMing me the URL of the auction? I'd like to see how this peculiar auction turns out...
          Here:
          http://doiop.com/flippa
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Adie View Post

            lol ... apparently he listed it as an auction and no bidders so it went private.
            Interesting to see he deleted all 4 comments, which were probably something like ... what are you smoking dude?
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              lol ... apparently he listed it as an auction and no bidders so it went private.
              Interesting to see he deleted all 4 comments, which were probably something like ... what are you smoking dude?
              haha, that's funny. It wasn't listed as an auction though so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Comments were along the lines of a sticky 0 key. Also funny but not relevant. "What are you smoking dude" would at least have been on topic.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

                haha, that's funny. It wasn't listed as an auction though so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Comments were along the lines of a sticky 0 key. Also funny but not relevant. "What are you smoking dude" would at least have been on topic.
                Glad you saw the humor ... no offense intended. I wish you luck with your auction.
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    It could be that he has a large list of subscribers to his newsletter, which makes the site worth something. But he doesn't mention it, just the potential.

    Also the auction closes in 5 months, so he's not in a hurry for the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuruGazette
    FWIW there is a whole industry out there that just focuses on buying and selling domain names. No traffic, income or content needed. And yes sometimes the sales are very large. This isn't hearsay btw, I've sold my own share of domains only over the years.
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    TBH the concept is an ok one though I reckon it would be better served as a FB fanpage.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
    If this domain is likely to go big, you should also buy up the .net .org .biz etc domains to ensure the value of the domain name is retained. There will be copycats climbing on board and taking advantage.

    If you get $1000s for the sale the price of the competing domains would make a more valuable package if you say these are included.
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      Thanks David, great idea. It's now a package.
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        Hi Adie, yes I'm pretty new to selling domains and appreciate your insights. I don't mind the criticism though, particularly if it's constructive. I was just a bit surprised. I guess it's better than being completely ignored.
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        • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
          Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

          Hi Adie, yes I'm pretty new to selling domains and appreciate your insights. I don't mind the criticism though, particularly if it's constructive. I was just a bit surprised. I guess it's better than being completely ignored.

          Good luck with the auction i hope someone comes and offers you $300,000 and goes a way thinking they got a bargain.

          Then when you sell it you can create a $3000 course about how you made $300,000
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    if this disturbes you then you dont get out enough!
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      Originally Posted by Frank Ayres View Post

      if this disturbes you then you dont get out enough!
      You got that right
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      Originally Posted by Frank Ayres View Post

      if this disturbes you then you dont get out enough!
      If it does not concern you then I understand that you are not doing business with Flippa.....
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I dont think he has any intention of selling it.

    For what its worth, Ive seen massive boosts in Google's rankings via backlinks from flippa.
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    • Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I dont think he has any intention of selling it.

      For what its worth, Ive seen massive boosts in Google's rankings via backlinks from flippa.
      Well if he doesn't plan on selling it he should prob plan on monetizing it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
    Hey, I have every intention of either selling it or monetizing it. And the price is floating around until I feel it's about right. Have relisted for 500k, added the .net, .org, .info, .biz domains and filled out the Flippa discription.

    >also consider setting up a link to an online petition and then issuing some press releases.. do a face book group etc

    Great point.

    Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate it. One day I hope to post a comment about how much it sold for. First things first though.
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    I think you're forgetting this package includes prosmokinglobby.biz. What a steal!
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    I might make a nice big sign for people when I register domains for them saying "wow this is a premium domain, you better buy the set"

    Could work wonders for my marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author Kathy_T
    I'm really glad I found this thread, since it has shed quite a bit of light on the business of offering domains for sale.

    I've never sold any of my websites, but when I talked to someone last year about possibly selling one of them (drop ship site that has a track record of sales and income), he told me to look into Flippa.

    When I first went to Flippa, I was stunned by what some people were asking for their sites, and thought that there was no way they would warrant such a high price tag!

    It truly never occured to me that there might be any reason to list a site there other than: "Ok, I've worked on this site, but I've done all I can with it - so now it's time to sell it and move on..."

    Goes to show you how naive I am!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    This thread is going too long and this is the thing I can only say... If your domain has large search volume, then you can sell it for the amount whatever you want. But if your domain has no monthly search data, be ashamed to your self. people are not buying the "potential" thing. They are buying real figures.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      This thread is going too long and this is the thing I can only say... If your domain has large search volume, then you can sell it for the amount whatever you want. But if your domain has no monthly search data, be ashamed to your self. people are not buying the "potential" thing. They are buying real figures.....
      Adie, if the thread's going on too long then all you have to do is stop reading it. I'm learning a lot from everybodys posts.

      And people buy or invest in potential all the time. How many new artists would we hear if no one invested in potential? I'm a fan of Richard Branson and he invests in potential all the time. Of the thousands of companies he owns most don't make a dime but at least three are multi-billion dollar companies. Live and let live I reckon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Perkins
    Anyone feeling up to making a fake flippa account and bidding on it? $50.00 says the guy s***'s his pants when he sees he got a bid.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
      Originally Posted by Will Perkins View Post

      Anyone feeling up to making a fake flippa account and bidding on it? $50.00 says the guy s***'s his pants when he sees he got a bid.
      Check out the Just Sold link on Flippa. Provides an interesting insight into what's selling.
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      • Profile picture of the author Will Perkins
        Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

        Check out the Just Sold link on Flippa. Provides an interesting insight into what's selling.
        I can't right now, but just think about it. Being a seller and actually getting a bid on a "fake" auction more/less.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
          > You're the seller right? Good luck getting your 500 grand for a site that has no face value whatsoever

          Yep, I'm the seller. That's why there's a long lead time. Hopefully enough to give it a face.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

        Check out the Just Sold link on Flippa. Provides an interesting insight into what's selling.
        FYI, there are dozens of fake profiles who registered starting this year and selling craps while the same people buying their auctions just to boost their ratings... If you are dealing with Flippa ever since it was created, you'll know what I mean....

        Let's take a look at recently sold:

        genesisnetdevelopment.com - $5,400K established web development business (not just site)
        photoshopcontest.com - $31,500 established website with $700/month earnings / very good domain
        coffeetoday.com - no question about this
        domain / established with $649/month profit = $10,400
        freelncr.com - established with $3,120 rev = $6,500
        christian-wallpaper.net - established / $108 per month = $2,800
        av.net - very good 2-letter domain = $2,500
        theiphoneappreview.com - established with &2,792 per month rev / $22,000
        ...and so on...

        while

        prosmokinglobby.com = (asking is $800,000) - revenue? traffic? keyword data? -(potential - yes LOL)
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    And by the way, it doesn't matter if it's talked about on the forum or not. That's not what makes this type of auction get traffic. It's a 6 month long auction, and if you browse auctions, and sort according to price, then this auction will sit right at the top of that page for 6 months. THAT is where the traffic comes from. It's not banking on the fact that someone is going to complain about it at some forum - (although that would be a bonus). But it doesn't need that. Sitting at the top of that page for 6 months will give it plenty of traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Forster
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      ... That's not what makes this type of auction get traffic. It's a 6 month long auction, and if you browse auctions, and sort according to price, then this auction will sit right at the top of that page for 6 months. THAT is where the traffic comes from.
      To be honest I didn't list it for that purpose. But it's hell of a tactic. I just wanted a reasonable lead time to give it the most chance of succeeding. A previous auction I listed saw the 30 days fly by in a blink so I thought I'd try a different approach with this one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by Jump2Now View Post

        To be honest I didn't list it for that purpose. But it's hell of a tactic. I just wanted a reasonable lead time to give it the most chance of succeeding. A previous auction I listed saw the 30 days fly by in a blink so I thought I'd try a different approach with this one.
        In reality, long auctions tend to get lesser attention. Why? because people don't want to wait... Listings within 3 to 5 days are sold before they ended.
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        • Profile picture of the author garyv
          Originally Posted by Adie View Post

          In reality, long auctions tend to get lesser attention. Why? because people don't want to wait... Listings within 3 to 5 days are sold before they ended.

          Not really true. A 6 month auction that has 3 days left gets just as much attention as a 3 day auction. The long auction is not always a good tactic, but it does give time to pick up followers of the auction.
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    Why do people play Lotto ?

    Same answers works here too ^^
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by Bragah View Post

      Why do people play Lotto ?

      Same answers works here too ^^
      In lotto, no one would care even you lost millions. Here, you are offering your product for people to buy...

      irrelevant comment...
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        Originally Posted by Adie View Post

        In lotto, no one would care even you lost millions. Here, you are offering your product for people to buy...
        I didn't realize they gave lotto tickets away.
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  • Profile picture of the author mott
    I'm having trouble coping with this thread!

    My first impulse at this auction is that the guy made a mistake listing it. My second would be to click the ad and see why it is for sale at that price. Since I would find no reason, I would still assume the ad was a mistake, or the seller is crazy.

    Then again, I can't see how this ad hurts anyone. And I go to Flippa all the time, buying and selling. His website will get traffic, heck even I went there, but so what? I can think of cheaper ways to get traffic than to be listed on Flippa.
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    Originally Posted by Adie View Post

    there are dozens of fake profiles who registered starting this year and selling craps while the same people buying their auctions just to boost their ratings
    This assertion is off the mark and not supported by our evidence on Flippa.

    We have an increasingly sophisticated array of tools that we use to identify duplicate accounts and shill bidding. We invest in actively policing this and suspend both buyer and seller accounts when we find they are fraudulently bidding to drive up a price. We furthermore block or remove any subsequent attempts by both existing and suspended/banned users to open new accounts on Flippa.

    I very much doubt that users could be bothered going to the effort and expense of creating fake auctions, bids and sales just to generate positive feedback – let alone the risk of having their account suspended when it is identified. It’s a costly proposition that is more easily and profitably achieved by real sales.

    Quick thanks for highlighting some great sales on Flippa – be assured that everything in our systems indicates that these are legitimate sales to individual and otherwise unrelated buyers and sellers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by AndrewAU View Post

      This assertion is off the mark and not supported by our evidence on Flippa.

      We have an increasingly sophisticated array of tools that we use to identify duplicate accounts and shill bidding. We invest in actively policing this and suspend both buyer and seller accounts when we find they are fraudulently bidding to drive up a price. We furthermore block or remove any subsequent attempts by both existing and suspended/banned users to open new accounts on Flippa.

      I very much doubt that users could be bothered going to the effort and expense of creating fake auctions, bids and sales just to generate positive feedback – let alone the risk of having their account suspended when it is identified. It’s a costly proposition that is more easily and profitably achieved by real sales.

      Quick thanks for highlighting some great sales on Flippa – be assured that everything in our systems indicates that these are legitimate sales to individual and otherwise unrelated buyers and sellers.
      I am not belittling your system and yes, you are right - there is no evidence (after all we are not on court). But seeing how new auctions are being sold to new members is suspicious. I don't have any question or any problem with those established websites that are sold for I myself have sold a couple in the past, and I agree, they are legitimate and real....

      Those "guaranteed or money back" auctions are obvious and needs to be investigated...

      We discussed a lot in this forum about Flipping sites and what are the things the needed to be done before selling them to get more real and happy customers, but those "guaranteed or money back" things are just works of people who wanted to take the innocence of other people for granted. I am expecting massive refunds from these buyers once they reach 6 months without getting $300, $500, $600 and so on from each site they purchase through those auctions.....

      A serious businessman takes care of his customer and provides after sale support. It's not a good business if you sell your site and forget about it....

      No further argument.... and thanks for pointing that out.....

      Originally Posted by danthony View Post

      That's just crazy, doesn't even look like the site has a history of being profitable.
      Seller is not aware of that and basing his pricing on his own opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author mott
        Originally Posted by Adie View Post

        Those "guaranteed or money back" auctions are obvious and needs to be investigated...
        This is getting off the topic, but I think there are other problems with Flippa that are bigger issues than this. Such as people selling websites that include WP Robot for less than $140, which is against their terms. Same thing happens with this forum, and it's allowed. Plus other themes, plugins, etc. that are included in the sale, when the seller does not have the rights to sell.
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        • Profile picture of the author Adie
          Originally Posted by mott View Post

          This is getting off the topic, but I think there are other problems with Flippa that are bigger issues than this. Such as people selling websites that include WP Robot for less than $140, which is against their terms. Same thing happens with this forum, and it's allowed. Plus other themes, plugins, etc. that are included in the sale, when the seller does not have the rights to sell.
          I totally agree with you on this.... They are actually selling autoblogs and not niche sites with unique content.... Autoblogs means:

          wp-robot - sale against TOS
          possible adsense problem
          possible content copyright problem

          Other premium plugins...
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          • Profile picture of the author mott
            Originally Posted by Adie View Post

            I totally agree with you on this.... They are actually selling autoblogs and not niche sites with unique content.... Autoblogs means:

            wp-robot - sale against TOS
            possible adsense problem
            possible content copyright problem

            Other premium plugins...
            I agree to some extent about autoblogs. I saw one sold for $100 the other day. It was poorly made, the content didn't credit the author, it was a bad domain name, etc. So why did it sell? I assume because the buyer can get an illegal copy of WP Robot for $100, as well as other plugins & themes.

            Heck, I can do that all day long, put together an autobog with WP Robot in an hour and sell it for $50-100. But I have a conscience.
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              Originally Posted by mott View Post

              I agree to some extent about autoblogs. I saw one sold for $100 the other day. It was poorly made, the content didn't credit the author, it was a bad domain name, etc. So why did it sell? I assume because the buyer can get an illegal copy of WP Robot for $100, as well as other plugins & themes.

              Heck, I can do that all day long, put together an autobog with WP Robot in an hour and sell it for $50-100. But I have a conscience.
              ..aside from conscience we can't predict what happens when people who purchased these demands refund after sometime because the blogs did not live to its promises - to earn guaranteed $400/month through adsense.. LOL...and yes, flippa has no problem about that as long as the sellers/suckers are paying listing fees... how ironic....

              BTW, I just sold an old niche blog for $120 today. That blog is earning some $10-$12 per month but since I have no time to deal with it, I chose to sell it rather than letting the domain expired. The blog can double it's earnings if the new owner can post an article or 2 per week (even without promoting) just to refresh its content and search engine visibility.... Though the blog is old and I have proof of earnings, I did not say "guaranteed $500 per month or your money back" - this is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard from an auction....LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author Adie
          Originally Posted by mott View Post

          This is getting off the topic, but I think there are other problems with Flippa that are bigger issues than this. Such as people selling websites that include WP Robot for less than $140, which is against their terms. Same thing happens with this forum, and it's allowed. Plus other themes, plugins, etc. that are included in the sale, when the seller does not have the rights to sell.
          Looks like the "potential" thing is getting attention from Flippa..

          What is the Value of Websites for Sale with
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Adie View Post

            Looks like the "potential" thing is getting attention from Flippa..

            What is the Value of Websites for Sale with
            Good that they posted that. I hope it gets read because Flippa is literally overrun with these "huge potential" startups that have absolutely nothing going for them in the way of traffic or revenue or assets.

            $5100/mth Potential ! xxxxxxxxxxxx 100% Automated Site
            Also claims to be beautiful design, professional
            Actually, it's ugly and amateurish. An autoblog with no unique content, brand new, no traffic, no ranking, no income. Nothing.
            blah blah blah.

            Flippa is rampant with these type of listings. And sadly, people buy them, believing the hype, and then they sit on servers collecting digital dust.
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            • Profile picture of the author Adie
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Good that they posted that. I hope it gets read because Flippa is literally overrun with these "huge potential" startups that have absolutely nothing going for them in the way of traffic or revenue or assets.

              $5100/mth Potential ! xxxxxxxxxxxx 100% Automated Site
              Also claims to be beautiful design, professional
              Actually, it's ugly and amateurish. An autoblog with no unique content, brand new, no traffic, no ranking, no income. Nothing.
              blah blah blah.

              Flippa is rampant with these type of listings. And sadly, people buy them, believing the hype, and then they sit on servers collecting digital dust.
              I think this thread is one of the reasons why they realized that thing....
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            Originally Posted by Adie View Post

            Looks like the "potential" thing is getting attention from Flippa..
            Kudos where kudos is due: we've had the "potential" post on the boil for a while, this thread (along with a few email/twitter dialogues and one or two listings that clearly pushed the bounds of reasonability) did indeed give it a nudge out the door. Hopefully readers found it useful - the number of comments seem to indicate this may be the case!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    That's just crazy, doesn't even look like the site has a history of being profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author ethernity
    The domain is worth the registration fee and nothing more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by ethernity View Post

      The domain is worth the registration fee and nothing more.
      One of your 3 most important posts.. LOL

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  • Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck buddy. That domain isnt worth anything. Good joke though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    If he gets $800,000 for that I will be listing a lot of my domains for sale for at least a few Million each LOL

    But hey you never know stranger things have happened he might get and offer of $25,000 which I am sure he would be happy with..

    Peanuts to a big corporation if they really want the name.

    If it were me I would at least maybe develop it a bit and try and get some members for a pro smoking lobby group at least it would be more than just a domain then.

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  • Profile picture of the author st271
    He'll never ever sell it for that price. Waste of a listing fee. I could only get $3,100 for a site on Flippa making me just over $100 a month.
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  • Profile picture of the author gwedge
    Well even as an avid non smoker I can see the logic behind Jump2now's idea. The cigarette companies have always had money to burn (pardon the pun) and spent fortunes on sponsoring sports events to get their name in front of the masses. If his site were to get a big enough support as a lobbying platform I could see them wanting to take it off his hands for their own benefit. Talk about a targeted audience!

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  • Profile picture of the author mott
    Just a thought, again...I admit that I create new websites and try to sell them on Flippa, based on potential. That's because I don't build them to use for 6 months and then sell; I build them to sell right away, since that is what I enjoy and do best.

    I think it is up to the buyer to do their homework and see if the potential is there. I guess my point is, I can't sell anything else except potential with a brand new site. I can point out the features, but potential seems to be the selling point.

    Also about autoblogs...I have no problem with them if full credit is given to the person who writes te articles. I don't like spinning someone else's articles to make them unique.

    And as I said, my biggest problem with some sellers is when they sell things they don't have the licenses for, and violate TOS. I don't do that, even though that kind of cheating appears profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    that kind of cheating appears profitable
    This is the only thing they know.. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I have a few autoblogs which have more PR and traffic than that, don't really get the point of this thread or what the OP wants. There's nothing about that domain/site which is even remotely worth anything. IMO. Much luck selling tho
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    That is great, is this even real?? lol worth a laugh at least
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    We are the ones who are giving this guy even more attention than he deserves. This domain nor any others like it are worth even $1000 without any sales/traffic. You rarely see a domain which is 3 words long that has sold for more than $1000. Certain 2 word domains can do so and a rare 3 word might hit the thousand dollar mark however this flippa auction is really just a huge joke
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by FreshDomains View Post

      Certain 2 word domains can do so and a rare 3 word might hit the thousand dollar mark however this flippa auction is really just a huge joke
      Well, I remember being a newbie and buying a bunch of crap domains and thinking they were worth something. A lot of people have done it. He is a newbie to domaining and he may be overestimating the worth of the domain but there's no need to be insulting about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything

    To You.



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  • Profile picture of the author Linda_C
    Amazing how many people comment before reading the comments. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Kev Stevenson
    Surely it's naive not to see some potential in such a domain.

    Pro-smoking lobbies are often 'fronts' for multi-billion dollar tobacco companies.

    As Mr Darklock also sez...
    the pro-smoking lobby is likely sponsored by multi-billion-dollar corporate interests
    I understand that if you only analyze search, visitor and earnings data - such potential value may not be immediately apparent.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1SEO
    Listing a domain at $800,000 certainly gets people talking about it so a lot more exposure than if he'd priced it low.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I can't believe this thread is still active.. anyway... I'm still holding on my words and I apologize if I had some hard comments above..
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