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why do people write articles? so they can put adsense near it? or are they saying to submit these articles?

why pay someone to write the articles? why not just scrape them?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    Originally Posted by laganja View Post

    why do people write articles? so they can put adsense near it? or are they saying to submit these articles?

    why pay someone to write the articles? why not just scrape them?
    Some may say that people write articles so that directories like EZA can put adsense near it.

    If you can't write an article for yourself because:

    (a) You don't have the time
    (b) You don't have the knowledge
    (c) You don't have the ability

    You can pay someone to do it.

    But, as I tell all my competitors, just scrape articles it works fine
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Murphy
      Not only can you outsource article writing, you can pretty much outsource the submission process as well..
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      • Profile picture of the author laganja
        Originally Posted by Lady NaNa View Post

        Not only can you outsource article writing, you can pretty much outsource the submission process as well..
        how much traffic or SEO improvements can this bring?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by laganja View Post

          how much traffic or SEO improvements can this bring?
          People don't really do that for traffic (or, if they do, they're sorely disappointed, and pretty quickly).

          They do it for backlinks, as they imagine - typically not quite appreciating that all article directory backlinks are non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks which are almost the lowest of the low, in backlink terms. Some people even look at the page-rank of the directories' home pages and imagine that's the "sort of backlink" they're getting.

          The reality is that one, decent, context-relevant, higher-PR blog comment with a backlink is worth several thousands (some would say even tens of thousands) of times the link-juice of one of their article directory backlinks. But many people don't appreciate this - and of course there's a whole industry of people out there (and occasionally even in here) selling them "spinning software" and "submitting software" and reinforcing their convenient delusions all the time.
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          • Profile picture of the author laganja
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            People don't really do that for traffic (or, if they do, they're sorely disappointed, and pretty quickly).

            They do it for backlinks, as they imagine - typically not quite appreciating that all article directory backlinks are non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks which are almost the lowest of the low, in backlink terms. Some people even look at the page-rank of the directories' home pages and imagine that's the "sort of backlink" they're getting.

            The reality is that one, decent, context-relevant, higher-PR blog comment with a backlink is worth several thousands (some would say even tens of thousands) of times the link-juice of one of their article directory backlinks. But many people don't appreciate this - and of course there's a whole industry of people out there (and occasionally even in here) selling them "spinning software" and "submitting software" and reinforcing their convenient delusions all the time.
            you read my mind. but getting high pr backlink is tough but not impossible.
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    • Profile picture of the author MariusJ
      Due to Google's recent algorithm change, article directories are getting dumped (March 2nd 2011). Is this the end of article marketing now? Maybe not entirely. But have a look at the alexa rank for the directories now. What a slam!

      So as far as article marketing goes, time will tell. I'd personally wait and see, and focus on more sensible writing activities such as improving site content. After all, that's what google are paying more and more attention to now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by MariusJ View Post

        So as far as article marketing goes, time will tell. I'd personally wait and see, and focus on more sensible writing activities such as improving site content. After all, that's what google are paying more and more attention to now.
        That is (part of) article marketing.

        Some people imagine that article marketing is article directory marketing. :rolleyes:

        I'm "just saying" ...
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        • Profile picture of the author MariusJ
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          That is (part of) article marketing.

          Some people imagine that article marketing is article directory marketing. :rolleyes:

          I'm "just saying" ...

          Point well taken...
          I personally call that blogging
          Most people probably would as you say, include that in the article marketing category.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by MariusJ View Post

        Due to Google's recent algorithm change, article directories are getting dumped (March 2nd 2011). Is this the end of article marketing now? Maybe not entirely. But have a look at the alexa rank for the directories now. What a slam!

        So as far as article marketing goes, time will tell. I'd personally wait and see, and focus on more sensible writing activities such as improving site content. After all, that's what google are paying more and more attention to now.
        There were different degrees to which different article directories and Web 2.0 properties were impacted. It goes back to quality...but, they all weren't collectively 'dumped'...some were impacted more than others.
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        • Profile picture of the author arttse
          I think google targeted any article (on a random basis) that was associated with directories. I believe they did this to teach them a lesson so the directories can lift their game.

          Im pretty sure there would have been some quality articles that got the chop and some pretty shonky articles that maintained their rankings.

          Just spend 5 minutes browsing through directories to see some of the very poorly written articles that get published these days.



          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          There were different degrees to which different article directories and Web 2.0 properties were impacted. It goes back to quality...but, they all weren't collectively 'dumped'...some were impacted more than others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      There are many reasons why you should write articles:

      First, to reach great online exposure, from 10,000 to 80,000 targeted buyers every week online.
      This is one of the best reasons I know to write and submit how-to articles to TOP article directories like EZA.

      Second, you can promote your products for free. You register to article directories and then submit your articles to them.

      Another reason is that when you submit many articles, you become known as an expert. People love(and want) free information so your potential buyers appreciate that and will eventually trust you enough to buy from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author dezchamps
    Great articles make for great content. For your site to become and 'authority' you need great content that is all relevant. If you can't write articles, or reviews yourself, you need to find someone to write them for you. Someone who doesn't scrape. Buy some PLR articles.
    Even if you have a store site, products need descriptions and reviews.
    Content content content.
    It's not all about the article marketing, it's about making a decent site!
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  • Profile picture of the author traianturcu
    You usually create articles in order to create backlinks for a money site.

    These backlinks can either serve to boost your page rank or to direct natural traffic by providing valuable content.
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    • Profile picture of the author MariusJ
      Originally Posted by traianturcu View Post

      You usually create articles in order to create backlinks for a money site.

      These backlinks can either serve to boost your page rank or to direct natural traffic by providing valuable content.
      Thanks to f*&king google's new changes, that all seems to be down the tubes now. Backlinks will need to come from better sources. Article directories are ker-plonk.

      Argh! I'm getting too old for all this!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by MariusJ View Post

        Backlinks will need to come from better sources. Article directories are ker-plonk.
        They always were, really - for the purpose to which most of their users are mistakenly trying to put them.

        Even in their heyday (about 3 - 4 years ago?) article directory backlinks were always non-context-relevant PR-0 backlinks anyway - just about the lowest of the low.

        The truth is that depending on article directories for backlinks was never a very viable business model for the overwhelming majority of the people who tried it, anyway. It was always the "rinse and repeat", "writing for clicks" model - which was never a "real business". :p

        The difference is that now those people have Google to "blame" for their own dependence on something that was never really going to work for most of them anyway.

        Maybe one day they'll even get as far as setting up a business that isn't dependent on Google for its primary income?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Ellison
    If you're going to go to the trouble of actually writing an article, make it good, and BLOG it. Use social media to your advantage and spread the word so that the traffic all comes to you directly. It's much more beneficial that just submitting them to directories. I only submit my weaker content to directories nowadays.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    There seems to me to be a general misunderstanding of the difference between article marketing and blog posts.

    If the articles you submit to directories are the same as the posts (or pages) you put on your blogs (or websites) then you are making a huge mistake.

    I am convinced that this is the main reason why most reasonable writers fail at article marketing. They are submitting website content to article directories in the belief that they are marketing something. Or they are attracting visitors looking for decent content to their websites only to give them post after post of marketing articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author StonerJay
      Scraping means that you'll get duplicate articles that are (sometimes) found all over the internet. This is not good from an SEO stand point.

      In terms of what you can do with totally unique articles they're extremely useful for:

      1) Use them as content on your own websites.

      2) Use them to build article & web 2.0 links (squidoo, hub pages etc) around the net.

      Article writing can be very tedious (especially if you're trying to write about a niche like "antique coffee tables" and also quite time consuming - so yes many people outsource their article writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author garben2011
    Originally Posted by laganja View Post

    why pay someone to write the articles? why not just scrape them?

    Is that a serious question?!

    Kind of surprised nobody addressed that bit. If they did I missed it when reading the responses so... forgive me.

    This just completely boggles my mind.

    Why do people come online with this mentality?

    This is what I hear in my head when I read why not just scrape them?

    Why not just scrape article content you have no rights to from the work of other authors who actually take the time to write a quality article based on their own knowledge or research on the topic OR who paid an author to write a quality article from experience or research?

    Do you really have to ask such a question? Honestly?!

    And I know I will probably be blasted for this but in my opinion... any person shouldn't even be writing articles about topics they are not an expert on. If a person is willing to put in a lot of time and do real research then okay possibly you might be a bit qualified to write an introductory article about a topic. Obviously, it depends on the complexity / importance of the subject material. If you aren't an expert on a subject then find someone who is to write a real article. I don't mean find someone to steal content from I mean hire them to write a real article for you.

    It makes me laugh when I see content writing services offering to write on subjects ranging from how to get your ex back to how to cure insomnia to mesothelioma to just anything and everything. I wonder how many of these expert writers even had a clue what mesothelioma is before they discovered people were building adsense sites around the word?

    I may be getting slightly off-topic but I feel it ties in directly and needed to be said.

    Here is a great example and this is recent news.

    It is a discussion about the recent Google Content Farm Update. Part of the discussion focuses on how searching for level 4 brain cancer finds articles on eHow in spot #1.

    The author of that article also wrote articles on "How to Put a Lid Switch on a Whirlpool Washer", "How to Fix the Toilet Flush" and "How to Trim Calla Lilies".

    So, what is wrong with that, you might ask?

    Should a person searching for level 4 brain cancer really be finding an article written by someone who is obviously just doing keyword research very much like many people do when building adsense or affiliate websites?

    This is the part so many people are missing with this whole content problem. Everyone is so focused on how to find great keywords, how to write articles quickly, how to make money that they never stop and ask themselves should I be writing articles on these topics where in fact someone's life could depend on it?! Am I really qualified to be writing articles on these topics?

    End of rant (for now).
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by garben2011 View Post

      Is that a serious question?!

      Kind of surprised nobody addressed that bit. If they did I missed it when reading the responses so... forgive me.

      This just completely boggles my mind.

      Why do people come online with this mentality?
      I'm with you all the way. I'm ashamed to say that I thought all those things and didn't bother to reply saying them, which I should have done. You're right - obviously. Thank you for posting.
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    • Profile picture of the author garben2011
      Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

      Any reasonably competent writer can research and write a cogent article on level 4 brain cancer or any other subject.
      I agree that on the Internet nearly everyone believes this.

      However, I do wonder why they are not writing for medical journals and perhaps helping develop training materials for surgeons and other medical staff?

      Of course, online anyone can research and write a well-written article. The point is would they do that normally? Like would that author show up at a medical convention on level 4 brain cancer and expect to be taken seriously?

      I think this is one of the things that all depends on how a person views it. Some will see what I am saying, what the true problem is with online content and the real issue Google is trying to find a solution to and some will not see that point. It is a case of authority. Personally, if I am looking for information on level 4 brain cancer I want it to be from a trained medical professional or some other person who is actually qualified to be talking about the subject. I think most people outside of the Internet marketing world would certainly view this the same way.

      If they are saying hey I researched this information and here is an overview of level 4 brain cancer. I am no medical expert but this is what I have found on the topic and you can find more information at these professional sites and went on to list universities and hospitals and cancer treatment clinics and such.... then I fully agree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preston T.
    here come the new CB products that teach you how to get around article slaps. I say that the first one shows up on CB marketplace within 10 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author bretski
    Originally Posted by laganja View Post


    why pay someone to write the articles? why not just scrape them?
    Yeah, I was surprised that I had to read all the way down through the thread to find someone else address this point.

    Why work to earn money when you can just get a gun and hold up a bank?

    Why buy food when you can just go out to a restaurant and "dine and dash"?
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    As x3xsolxdierx3x pointed out, the article directories are not dead. Some of them have been largely impacted by the Panda change, but they are definitely not dead. There will always be a market for well-written, well-researched, genuinely helpful articles. As long as the directories can make it so that ONLY those types of articles get approved, they will be back in Google's good graces.

    However, you also don't have to depend solely on the article directories to have a good article marketing campaign. Look to do some guest writing on other websites, make sure that the articles on your own site are high-quality.

    Article marketing serves several purposes - one of the biggest being that you can establish yourself as an expert by doing it. If you are constantly churning out high-quality, informative articles (regardless of where they actually get published), people will see you as an authority in your niche.

    If you hate to write, don't have time to write, or just aren't very good at writing (hey, many people aren't!), then it's time to outsource your writing to a professional who will do more than just slap a few keywords together.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    Never scrape articles! Google is really cracking down on this. Every article must be unique. People do write articles to make money, but they also write articles to teach and give something back to the reader. Truly high quality articles will basically create (repeat customers.) These are people who will continually come back to read more and you actually make more money in the long run by creating an audience. It depends on what type of business you want to create.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by sarahberra View Post

      Every article must be unique.
      Well, please don't share that opinion with any of the people who syndicate my articles, and largely through whose traffic and backlinks I've been making a living for a couple of years. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by laganja View Post

    why do people write articles?
    Why do people make websites?

    And why pay someone to make them? Why not just take one you like?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Is that a serious question?!
      Thank you. If I'd gotten to the end of this thread and no-one had addressed that, I'd have been tempted to write off every person who posted in it as deserving of the ban hammer. Wouldn't have done it, but the temptation would have arisen.

      Ken Caudill nailed it: You write articles to communicate with human readers. The other effects are secondary to that. Unless you're writing for the SE spiders, in which case you're not writing at all. You're hiding keyphrases in word salad (or, as Ken described it: Crap) and hoping Google never notices.


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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      The reality is that one, decent, context-relevant, higher-PR blog comment with a backlink is worth several thousands (some would say even tens of thousands) of times the link-juice of one of their article directory backlinks. But many people don't appreciate this - and of course there's a whole industry of people out there (and occasionally even in here) selling them "spinning software" and "submitting software" and reinforcing their convenient delusions all the time.
      I've seen analysis from people, whose authority on the subject I trust, that the backlinkers' beloved toolbar PR is actually a logarithmic scale. The actual rating i the toolbar is the exponent to which you would raise the number 10 to get the true rating (or at least a very rough approximation, which gets rougher with each step up the scale).

      So a PR0 link would be worth 10^0, or 1.

      A PR1 link would be worth 10^1, or 10. So a PR 1 link would contribute ten times as much to the ranking formula as the PR0 link.

      A PR2 link would be 10^2 or 100. So a link on a PR2 blog page would contribute 100 times as much to a sites ranking as that PR0 link.

      And so on...

      Originally Posted by garben2011 View Post

      I agree that on the Internet nearly everyone believes this.

      However, I do wonder why they are not writing for medical journals and perhaps helping develop training materials for surgeons and other medical staff?

      Of course, online anyone can research and write a well-written article. The point is would they do that normally? Like would that author show up at a medical convention on level 4 brain cancer and expect to be taken seriously?

      I think this is one of the things that all depends on how a person views it. Some will see what I am saying, what the true problem is with online content and the real issue Google is trying to find a solution to and some will not see that point. It is a case of authority. Personally, if I am looking for information on level 4 brain cancer I want it to be from a trained medical professional or some other person who is actually qualified to be talking about the subject. I think most people outside of the Internet marketing world would certainly view this the same way.

      If they are saying hey I researched this information and here is an overview of level 4 brain cancer. I am no medical expert but this is what I have found on the topic and you can find more information at these professional sites and went on to list universities and hospitals and cancer treatment clinics and such.... then I fully agree.
      One of the reasons I rarely cover medical topics is that my approach is similar to what you outline in your last paragraph. Unfortunately, articles like that don't have the appeal to mass audiences, and the audiences to which they would appeal often need more.

      While I am confident that I could produce an accurate, useful article on level IV brain cancer or just about any other medical topic, I'd be very afraid of the attendees at any medical convention that took me seriously. The same goes for any accepted medical journals like Lancet or JAMA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Frank
    Originally Posted by laganja View Post

    why do people write articles? so they can put adsense near it? or are they saying to submit these articles?

    why pay someone to write the articles? why not just scrape them?
    Are you serious?

    I truly and dearly hope this is not an attitude that this forum promotes. I came here with the idea that this forum was full of entrepreneurs willing to work hard and innovate.

    And then I see someone who legitimately thinks it's ok to steal posts from other people and pass them off as their own.

    Why don't you just go buy a book from Borders, rip off the cover, and glue a new one on with your name? Is that ok?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Thomas,
      I truly and dearly hope this is not an attitude that this forum promotes.
      Nope. Not even a little bit. People who advocate stuff like that too often or too loudly end up looking elsewhere for conversation.


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    • Profile picture of the author laganja
      Originally Posted by Thomas Frank View Post

      Are you serious?

      I truly and dearly hope this is not an attitude that this forum promotes. I came here with the idea that this forum was full of entrepreneurs willing to work hard and innovate.

      And then I see someone who legitimately thinks it's ok to steal posts from other people and pass them off as their own.

      Why don't you just go buy a book from Borders, rip off the cover, and glue a new one on with your name? Is that ok?
      what you mention are totally out of context situations. ripping off a cover and gluing is fruitless endeavour.

      your own definitions of what is morally right or wrong, and your attempt to change the attitudes of your prospect (me) please leave it out of the equation, if I wanted to hear preaching I would go to a church and steal the donations afterwards.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        your own definitions of what is morally right or wrong, and your attempt to change the attitudes of your prospect (me) please leave it out of the equation, if I wanted to hear preaching I would go to a church and steal the donations afterwards.
        There's a week's worth of free time. Go steal from the poor or something. Maybe mug some fellow students for their lunch money.

        It's one thing to ask a question like that. It's something else entirely to make clear that you know what you suggested is wrong and defend it anyway.


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        PS: I wonder what would happen if we blocked the whole university and I told the folks in the computer center who was responsible?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    I am beginning to suspect thast there is a space-time rift somewhere near my home. Because the only explanation I can find the the OP being taken seriously is that they are in an alternate universe.

    I mean really?? I've been watching this thread with horror - expecting it to be deleted shortly.

    The OP is a troll, aren't they?

    Please restore my faith in my own sanity and tell me that the are!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

      The OP is a troll, aren't they?
      You know, most of us spend all our lives being told "there's no such thing as a stupid question."

      And then we respond like this to some questions.

      "Is this really a serious thread? I despair for the state of the IM industry!"

      What if it is a serious question?

      Should we give the OP hell for asking it?

      Wouldn't it have been easier for the OP to just go scrape articles in the first place?

      Why, seriously, WHY should we punish these people for wanting to be educated in what they don't understand?

      Do we really want to discourage that?

      Yes, I'd rather be asked a more intelligent and thought-provoking question. But when we don't answer questions like these, a lot of people who - at the very least - ask questions are never going to get to anything intelligent and thought-provoking.

      I know it's really just a show of camaraderie and support to band together around what a stupid question this is. But if you're going to do that, you should lose your "there are no stupid questions" privileges. You should never be allowed to say that again.

      So if you honestly believe there are no stupid questions - and I do believe that - then you don't get to participate in these things.

      And if the OP is a troll, there's nothing fun about getting a serious answer to the question. What's fun is watching people freak out and be shocked by the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by laganja View Post

    why do people write articles? so they can put adsense near it? or are they saying to submit these articles?

    why pay someone to write the articles? why not just scrape them?
    I didn't comment on the scraping comment because there are sites (like some article directories) that allow what is technically 'scraping'.

    Of course, if that is not specifically addressed and allowed in the original site's TOS, there's another 's' word for the practice -- STEALING.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4Frankie
    Some people are just starting and are writing articles bloggs and find these subjects most times helpful and informative.
    Isnt that the way to learn?
    I know experienced Internet Marketers may think some of our questions are dumb but we do really appreciate your helpful comments after all isn't that what the forum is about?
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  • Profile picture of the author ELK
    What in the world happened here in this thread??

    A vast collection of great advice, horrible advice, good and bad ethics, and morals all wrapped up in one.

    My goodness.
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      ELK,
      What in the world happened here in this thread??
      Be vewwy quiet. We'we hunting twolls.
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