Did Everything Right But Still No Progress

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Hello Warriors,

About two months ago I decided to enter a competitive niche.

The products that I am trying to promote are written by a professional
in his field (niche). He has about 20 related products which is great for
upsells, etc.

Although his products are professionally written he has no time to promote.
This is where I came in.

We made a deal where I would promote his products for him and he would
help me out as far as writing some articles and press releases.

Had a blog set up by someone on the WF (great job), also had a squeeze
page made where visitors can sign up and receive a free ebook about the
topic. Another Warrior wrote some articles for me (again great job), had emails written and loaded into Aweber, bought some backlinks.

To promote I thought that I would start by submitting articles to
Ezinearticles. Took four tries to get the first article accepted. They
will not allow me to link to my squeeze page in the resource box, so
I send visitors to my blog where I have another opt-in form.
Tried to submit another article to ezinearticles and now my account
got suspended.

I have submitted the same articles to other directories with no problems

Tried to hire two Warriors to submit press releases but they said
because of the niche they couldn't do it. The consider it an adult
niche.

I submit articles under men's health/relationships.

Long story short, after about six weeks now, I don't have one person on
my list.

Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do differently. I don't
want to give up but I figured that I at least would have a few people
on my list.

Thanks

Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author playtone
    Can i ask what the niche is?
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    • Profile picture of the author perpetualmike
      Psychological cure for ED
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      • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
        Originally Posted by perpetualmike View Post

        Psychological cure for ED
        Rather than aiming for the general article sites and forums I highly recommend targeting sites that are focused on health.

        You will get a much higher approval rating due to the niche you are promoting.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluke
    so you've submitted your articles to directories and that's it?
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Originally Posted by perpetualmike View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    About two months ago I decided to enter a competitive niche.

    The products that I am trying to promote are written by a professional
    in his field (niche). He has about 20 related products which is great for
    upsells, etc.

    Although his products are professionally written he has no time to promote.
    This is where I came in.

    We made a deal where I would promote his products for him and he would
    help me out as far as writing some articles and press releases.

    Had a blog set up by someone on the WF (great job), also had a squeeze
    page made where visitors can sign up and receive a free ebook about the
    topic. Another Warrior wrote some articles for me (again great job), had emails written and loaded into Aweber, bought some backlinks.

    To promote I thought that I would start by submitting articles to
    Ezinearticles. Took four tries to get the first article accepted. They
    will not allow me to link to my squeeze page in the resource box, so
    I send visitors to my blog where I have another opt-in form.
    Tried to submit another article to ezinearticles and now my account
    got suspended.

    I have submitted the same articles to other directories with no problems

    Tried to hire two Warriors to submit press releases but they said
    because of the niche they couldn't do it. The consider it an adult
    niche.

    I submit articles under men's health/relationships.

    Long story short, after about six weeks now, I don't have one person on
    my list.

    Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do differently. I don't
    want to give up but I figured that I at least would have a few people
    on my list.

    Thanks

    Mike
    My first question to you is why you can't link your squeeze page to your resource box? I've done it many times and never had a problem unless that's changed.

    Second, Ezinearticles isn't your answer. You need to create a website or blog and put your content on there at least before submitting to an article directory. Then drive traffic to it.

    If you are trying to build a list, your problem could and probably goes way beyond the article issue. What are you offering your prospects for their name and email address? Is it high value content? Or is it just some kind of freebie that's crap? People aren't going to give up their name and email now days unless you have something very valuable to offer.

    These are just a couple of things you should think about with this issue. Hope it helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardF
    You say you have a blog set up.. are you posting content/articles to it regularly? If not then that's what you should be doing. Fill it up with useful, relevant content, and use the Google keyword tool to find keywords to write articles for. Then work on getting as many backlinks to your site as possible, from different sources. It'll take time and effort, but it will pay off.
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  • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
    First off, it takes longer than 6 weeks to get indexed. Also, you don't seem to be aggressive enough in terms of your marketing approach. Once your site is up and running, it's time to expand your linkwheel, which requires far more than a couple of articles. There are a ton of different versions of a linkwheel, but basically you literally only have a handful of direct links to your money site. From my experience, and successes, your articles should pull traffic to hubs like Squidoo and Hubpages. Do NOT, however, make any of these a blatant sales pitch. People see right through that and you'll lose credibility and conversions. Instead, think of the hubs as providing sources of "free" information, pro bono as it were. This builds trust, educates and positions you as an expert on the topic.

    So, first tier of a linkwheel is a set of 3 or so hub sites linking back to the money (main) site. Second tier of hubs links to the first set of hubs and a third set of hubs links to the second set. I hope this isn't too confusing. Linkwheels can be intricate but they also force your site to develop organic traffic in a way that makes sense to the SERPS. It wouldn't seem like a natural trend for every site emanating from your main site to all link back to that site. If you do that, you'll get slapped quickly.

    Ok, after the three hubs, the articles come next, although you can write them or have them written anytime. Two, three or even ten articles isn't going to put a dent in your self-professed competitive market. Initially though, do ten articles for EZ, ten for GoArticles and mix and match ten for ArticlesBase to make a total of 30 articles. HALF the 30 link to one of your third tier hubs, the other half to a second tier hub. On the other side of the wheel, you'll need another 10 articles for each of the big three article sites mentioned.

    Here's where it gets dodgy, if it hasn't already, lol. 20 of the second batch of 30 articles should link to the third batch of 10. That last batch of 10 articles needs to link back to your money site.

    Oy, sorry for the complicated answer. It gets easier as you get efficient at linkwheeling. You absolutely may and probably will get a difference of opinion from other members and no one method is "right" or "wrong". This is just what has worked for me. Feel free to change it to suit your approach.

    BTW, no, you aren't done at the article level either. I was trying to make it a slow-drip feed of information rather than overload. PM me if you need help!
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  • Profile picture of the author cctvinstallers
    It sounds to me like you need to spend some time getting relevant backlinks as suggested as bnwebm suggested. I wouldn't go down the route of buying links as that may have a negative effect.

    Also what are your stats showing ? is the problem that you aren't getting visitors to the site, or that you are, but they aren't signing up ?
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    • Profile picture of the author perpetualmike
      Hi everyone,

      Some great tips here.

      I do have a blog set up where I post an article about
      every week.

      The free report on my squeeze page gives general tips
      on solutions for the particular product. The content is
      written by a professional in his field.

      I also submitted a few press releases manually, and have
      more to submit. Most press release sites won't accept them,
      so I'm basically finding ones that do and manually submitting.

      Have five edu backlinks so far. It was seven, don't know what happened.

      Have no problem with other article directories when submitting
      my articles. They all get accepted.

      The article that is live on ezinearticles has 134 views and
      19 url clicks.

      Hope this clears things up a bit.

      Again, thanks to all the Warriors for helping me out.

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Sounds to me like you are doing what everybody else is doing in an area that has been arguably overworked for a long time. There are so many new areas that can be found with greater return, but people won't necessarily tell you...
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Well some may argue with me, but IMHO, it's all about the keyword research. Have you done the proper research and are you targeting keywords you can rank for (and are they ranking?)

    Also, it sounds like you are not doing nearly enough as far as backlinks go. Of course, that all depends on your keywords and how competitive they are but I'm going to guess for that niche you will want to have at least 100 articles out there submitted to various directories.

    And, of course, you will also want some web2.0 properties and then boost your best articles/properties by building backlinks to them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Interesting but I do not see anyone posting about why there are not many or no leads, that to me is the most interesting aspect of this topic, if it is an effective "psychological cure" which is likely a matter of circumstance, given the situation, it would seem to me that the real market is much different than the example approach suggests it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
      The "real market" has been inundated with ads for Viagara. As a former therapist, I can tell you, it's far easier for people to take a pill than to swallow reality.


      Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

      Interesting but I do not see anyone posting about why there are not many or no leads, that to me is the most interesting aspect of this topic, if it is an effective "psychological cure" which is likely a matter of circumstance, given the situation, it would seem to me that the real market is much different than the example approach suggests it is.
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      • Profile picture of the author perpetualmike
        Hi Warriors,

        I think that is part of the problem. When folks search for
        the keyword they are more than likely looking for a pill and
        not a psychological cure.

        If maybe I could reach the people who bought the pill and
        found out that it didn't work for them. I thought about renting
        a list and getting in touch, but don't want to spam anyone.

        You have all given great advice and I thank you.

        Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
          OK, that could be a good angle. Find out the more commonly experienced side effects of the most popular medications for ED and that becomes your edge...
          EXAMPLE (just for the hell of it): "Have you been in the ER recently because of an erection that lasted longer than 4 hours?"

          ...and then provide an alternative: your product. BTW most medications produce better results statistically when combined with some form of psychological intervention, so you could use that angle to get the people already taking a med for ED.

          Originally Posted by perpetualmike View Post

          Hi Warriors,

          I think that is part of the problem. When folks search for
          the keyword they are more than likely looking for a pill and
          not a psychological cure.

          If maybe I could reach the people who bought the pill and
          found out that it didn't work for them. I thought about renting
          a list and getting in touch, but don't want to spam anyone.

          You have all given great advice and I thank you.

          Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author perpetualmike
      Hi Tim,

      That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
        Originally Posted by perpetualmike View Post

        Hi Tim,

        That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out
        Will PM you the answer, at least my thoughts on the matter, LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author evelyng
      I have a feeling that the reason you're not getting sign-ups is the embarrassing nature of the topic, maybe. . .People don't really want anyone to know who they are with that type of medical issue.
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        • Profile picture of the author Teravel
          Originally Posted by bnwebm View Post

          I was referring to the articles mainly, although the main page of a site certainly can get indexed quickly but seldom reflects significant revenue. When I refer to indexing, and I should have been more clear, I mean solid, multi-page indexing. My apologies for not being more clear.
          As was I. Today is day 3 for the site I spoke about. It has 3 content pages, and a review page, all which are index in Google, Yahoo, and Bing (As well as a few others).
          In those 3 days, I have made $6.51 from Adsense, $2.74 (4.0% commission and rising) from Amazon, and added almost 100 people to my mailing list for the niche.
          In the last 3 days, I have paid for a Fiverr backlink package ($5), as well as creating 10 blog comment backlinks (on PR 3-5 pages).
          The site is also ranking at spot #3 for Google, Yahoo, and Bing.

          It's not hard to get a site indexed by the search engines. It's generally not hard to get a site ranking, as long as you put in more effort than the people currently ranking. But, what brings in the right traffic is targeting keywords that will sell, and offering products related to those keywords.

          So lets find out where you went wrong and try to fix it...

          1) Did you do proper keyword research? Do they get enough traffic? How strong is the competition for those keywords?

          2) How is your On-Site SEO? Are you using keywords enough? Are you using header tags?

          3) Is your content good? Do you use keywords properly? Is the information helpful to the people that visit your website? Is it easily understandable, with little grammar and spelling errors?

          4) What about Off-Site SEO? Do you have enough backlinks? Are they strong backlinks, or weak ones? Have you used different kinds of backlinks? Do you use other traffic sources (Articles, Videos, etc)?

          5) Are you leading your readers to the sales page? Is the sales page convincing? Is your sales page simple and easy to read?

          6) Did you properly set up links? Have you double checked all affiliate links to make sure you will get the sale?

          This is just the start to a very long list of things you need to pay attention to.
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    How enticing is your opt-in form? If it says Sign Up, then it doesn't convert well. Might need some red arrows pointing to the form, and offer them something free.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    It may also help to add more content more often. It is generally suggested you try to add content to your site 3 times a week at least, if not everyday. I know I attempt to update my sites at least 5 times a site. Of course once the site is more established it will be easier to slow down, but updating more often will help get you up in google faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    bnwebn,
    First off, it takes longer than 6 weeks to get indexed.
    I can't agree with that. I purchased a new domain this morning, installed WordPress and added 1 page of content around 11am, and I was indexed by 2pm. All I used was a ping plugin, and I even got a $0.20 AdSense click...
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    • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
      I was referring to the articles mainly, although the main page of a site certainly can get indexed quickly but seldom reflects significant revenue. When I refer to indexing, and I should have been more clear, I mean solid, multi-page indexing. My apologies for not being more clear.

      Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

      I can't agree with that. I purchased a new domain this morning, installed WordPress and added 1 page of content around 11am, and I was indexed by 2pm. All I used was a ping plugin, and I even got a $0.20 AdSense click...
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Dare I suggest that your thread title is wrong?

    If you "did everything right", you would not be in here asking the questions that you are.

    The whole of your problem can be sorted by the following list of things you MUST DO:
    1. Target the people most likely to take the action you want them to take;
    2. Put your links in front of those people, and give them a reason to click;
    3. Create content that leads a person to take the action you want them to take;
    4. Simplify the "action process" for your visitors.

    If at any point in your sales funnel, you fail to do what is required, then your campaign will fail to produce the desired results.

    You should diversify your linking channels, and provide a good call-to-action with your link.

    Try another account at EZA, but this time give them the kind of content they want, and fashion the landing page as they want it designed. They want a landing page that contains content, not a squeeze, so if you want published there, follow their guidelines.

    Make sure that your content is presented in such a way as to ensure that people take the action you want them to take, either subscribe or buy.

    Provide people a means to find you, and then REALLY DELIVER on what they want from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author perpetualmike
    Thanks to all the Warriors for your great answers.

    I now see a few things that I can do differently.

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Have you considered authority online/offline targeted publications, such as websites, blogs, ezines, health magazines or even professional journals and clinical newsletters? Your statement that these products were written by a "professional in his field" appears to be a key element you're missing. If for example, he is a psychologist, you've got a wide open field for leveraging those credentials, citing his peer-reviewed results.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    6 weeks isn't much time at all. Keep your blog active and continue to add quality content to it. Build links to your blog and squeeze page. You'll start to see interested people eventually. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richnana
    You may be underestimating the magnitude of articles, links and promotion that is required to see any real results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wonderful Warrior
    I think your title is not compelling and you aren't showing any benefits....

    Why don't you have a title like this?????

    Your ED Problems are All in Your Head - And I Can Prove It............
    Stop wasting money on those little blue pills and check out this free report.
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  • Profile picture of the author phanio
    I think you are focused on the wrong issues. You seem more concerned with submitting articles (I assume for link juice) - but, you should be spending this time trying to understand who your potential customers are and where they are at - then work on getting in front of them - if you do this - the link juice will come.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Your problem with EZA are likely the topic - EZA these days stays away from anything that is considered "adult" and this would likely fall under that.

      It could be classified as "health" but probably would only go that way if you were a health expert/medical professional.

      Personally, I'd target the same sites that promote the little blue pill and other alternative treatments for this particular problem. I don't think you can just follow traditional IM procedures in this niche because the niche itself is "special".

      Keyword research is critical - but equally critical is targeting the right advertising venues for the topic. This is a target specific niche.

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