I am a noob!!! someone help me

15 years ago

On what kind of site are you talking about $400 per month? Also, since you are a newbie, are you cash-rich enough? Surely you have more time compared to money, or am I wrong?

I would not commit to anything unless I knew exactly what I was doing. Since in this case the offer is coming from someone that you know, it may be a little better off.

If you are not cash rich then too you can pick up SEO by simply looking around on this forum. Just pick up a copy of a good SEO book. I could recommend some good material from Warriors (and I am not an affilaite of any of them, lets be honest upfront - I am not trying to sell anything to you) if you need, but not publicly - maybe over PM or something.

Originally Posted by dingo881

Howdy everyone,

Just wanted to introduce myself. Im hoping to make some friends and hopefully learn a thing or 2 from the veteran members out there. I recently ventured into online marketing to see if I can generate another source of income. I still have my day job and just got a blog going in my spare time.

I have a brick and motar business that keeps me very busy during the day and I know absolutely nothing about SEO, web design, or internet marketing

this is my plan as a total noob and I was wondering if some of the more experienced members can tell me if what im doing is stupid or not.

1. I purchased a newly created, fully monetized blog and domain about skateboarding at flippa.com. I was told that because it is using the WP robot its automatically generating content everyday and I should see money coming in with little or no work. As a business owner I know thats just a load of bull. But the reason I bought the site is because I knew nothing about how to create a similar site by myself. so I just bought one already made

2. The only thing I know about SEO and getting traffic is creating good content. After reviewing some of the content that the WP robot is pulling in from random places I know that its of very poor quality and often had nothing even to do with skateboarding. I am wondering do these autoblogs using this plugin really can make money if marketed right? My plan was to hire someone and pay them to write articles for the site (since i know nothing about skateboarding). My question is where can I find reputable writers to write articles for me?

3. One of my customers runs a web design /SEO company here in LA and he said he can do the SEO for me at the cost of $400/month. How do you guys do SEO for your sites? Didnt know it was that expensive.
My own feeble attempts at SEO so far has included, trying to post constructive comments on other peoples blogs, signing up for internet directories, creating profiles on sites like squidoo. Is there anything else I can do to promote my site? Is it worth it to pay a professional company to do it for you?

So far I actually seem to be getting some results. My adsense account is showing a whopping $3.88 Woot!

Any kind of advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Dingo881

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KenB 15 years ago

It also depends on the quality of SEO. I wouldn't be making any payments until I knew what I am paying for.

Good luck, your off to a great start.

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dingo881 15 years ago

its just a blog about skateboarding, monetized with adsense, clickbank and amazon. I was taken aback too when he quoted me $400 /month for doing the SEO for my site. Money is not really a issue since I make pretty good money from my business. This is just a little side project for me and I have definitely very realistic expectations in terms of monetary rewards from this site.
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Jill Carpenter 15 years ago

I purchased a newly created, fully monetized blog and domain about skateboarding at flippa.com.

Aha, so you are in the skateboarding business.

Tell me, is this what you do in your offline biz, or did you select skateboarding because it was some kind of hobby?

Do you have some personal interest in the topic?
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  hey Jill
  
  I am not in the skateboarding business nor do I skateboard =). Looking in hindsight I think I should have waited for a site on another topic that I actually knew something about before I bought it (like mens hairloss or something lol ). My reasoning at the time was I just needed a site that was fully monetized and turnkey. I figured if it was autoblogging the content or if I can hire someone to write it didnt really matter if the site was about something im not passionate about.
  
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yankforlife41

15 years ago

Look for a skateboarding product on clickbank, build a list, and pre-sell.

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dingo881

15 years ago

Originally Posted by yankforlife41

Look for a skateboarding product on clickbank, build a list, and pre-sell.

thanks yank for the reply, I did put clickbank and a skateboarding product on my site but no idea what you mean by list and pre sell

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genhorrall 15 years ago

Hi dingo,
Okay we have all been there. New and not knowing all the lingo. A list is an email list of people that come to your site. They add their name through a small box that you add to your site. Usually you give away a free report or ebook on the subject to get them to sign up. Then you send them emails with information and products.

You will need an autoresponder for this. I can think of aweber, icontact and get response right off the bat. Just look them up in google and read about what they do. I am sure that you have come across them, you just don't know it yet.

I would not pay 400 for SEO and the like unless they were going to manage the site for you and get it all working and put up great SEO quality articles on the subject. That is just my opinion though.

I would find someone that can write the articles for you. That is where I would spend the money.

Good luck with your site.
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APKDL

15 years ago

Hello everyone ,

i am a newbie like our frind (Dingo881) , i'm a member of Instantglobaltraffic.com , i need your guidness , from one month ago i started my work in the net by make article from instant global traffic & clickbank & submited by article submitter software BUT i couldn't get even 1 cent !
when i search my articles i can't find them . what should i do for publish my articles ? i want to publish my articles in the net till everyone can see them .
so i am so depress for that ...

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Troy Broussard

15 years ago

Originally Posted by APKDL

Hello everyone ,

i am a newbie like our frind (Dingo881) , i'm a member of Instantglobaltraffic.com , i need your guidness , from one month ago i started my work in the net by make article from instant global traffic & clickbank & submited by article submitter software BUT i couldn't get even 1 cent !
when i search my articles i can't find them . what should i do for publish my articles ? i want to publish my articles in the net till everyone can see them .
so i am so depress for that ...

Hi,

Affiliate marketing takes time and there are many strategies and techniques to learn. I'm not trying to burst your bubble here, but this is not a business that you are likely to enter today and be turning a profit in a month. Some people have that kind of success, but it will depend greatly on your understanding and marketing skills. Many others take several months before making a profit (if at all).

To "find" a published article, simply take a sentence from the content (any random sentence in the article is fine) and put it in double quotes and search on it in Google. That will bring you back a list of the sites that have published your article and for which Google has included them into its index. Many sites may publish it, but it might not get indexed - all of this depends on where and how you distribute your content and it's quality as well.

Also, it's not clear if you're trying to directly promote a clickbank product from the article, but it kind of sounds that way. Typically this does not work well and you're better off using the articles for linkbuilding purposes and promoting your own website which promotes the affiliate offer.

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AmandaT

15 years ago

SEO is my weak point. I normally hire people if I need SEO work done. Take a look around the Warriors for Hire and WSO section and there are a lot of people offering SEO services for reasonable prices.

When it comes to writing, there are tons and tons of skilled writers right here in the Warriors for Hire section. Many writers, like myself, advertise there as well as in our signatures.

You have come across a wonderful resource. There are people here willing to create your websites, do your SEO work, and write for you. You just need to find the people you think will do what you need for the price you are willing to pay.

Good luck and welcome to WF!

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dingo881

15 years ago

Originally Posted by AmandaT

SEO is my weak point. I normally hire people if I need SEO work done. Take a look around the Warriors for Hire and WSO section and there are a lot of people offering SEO services for reasonable prices.

When it comes to writing, there are tons and tons of skilled writers right here in the Warriors for Hire section. Many writers, like myself, advertise there as well as in our signatures.

You have come across a wonderful resource. There are people here willing to create your websites, do your SEO work, and write for you. You just need to find the people you think will do what you need for the price you are willing to pay.

Good luck and welcome to WF!

Thanks amanda,

should I cantact you thru PM for a quote?

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AmandaT

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dingo881

Thanks amanda,

should I cantact you thru PM for a quote?

You can PM me, click the link in my signature, or go to my website which is Writing by Amanda.

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Mike Hill

15 years ago

Originally Posted by AmandaT

You can PM me, click the link in my signature, or go to my website which is Writing by Amanda.

Hey Amanda, that's a very nice website you have there. I like that it's so clean. Makes me feel welcome as soon as I arrive and there is no guessing what your options are. Good job on that!

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Jack44

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

Hey Amanda, that's a very nice website you have there. I like that it's so clean. Makes me feel welcome as soon as I arrive and there is no guessing what your options are. Good job on that!

Hi Everyone, I responded to the other thread,! To Dingo As every one tryied there best to help,NO ONE said If they accually bought the Product???? and does it work?? Thanks,and Best of Luck!

, Jack

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CyberSorcerer

15 years ago

Well you've gotten a lot of responses from everyone above, but I will comment on the $400 SEO price that was quoted.

I don't know who quoted that price, or their qualifications, but I do know for medium to large companies that is a price normally for a basic plan maintenance.

My basic SEO plan is $3,000 with $350/month maintenance fee. But realize that this is not packages, or pricing, for internet marketers, affiliate marketers, or anyone that would visit this forum. This is pricing the SEO firms, or SEO consultants, charging medium to large companies to handle there SEO for them.

In case your wondering my top package, other than 'Call for Quote' is $10,000 with $900/month maintenance fee. Yes I have two companies that are on that plan also, in case you were wondering.

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dingo881

15 years ago

Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer

Well you've gotten a lot of responses from everyone above, but I will comment on the $400 SEO price that was quoted.

I don't know who quoted that price, or their qualifications, but I do know for medium to large companies that is a price normally for a basic plan maintenance.

My basic SEO plan is $3,000 with $350/month maintenance fee. But realize that this is not packages, or pricing, for internet marketers, affiliate marketers, or anyone that would visit this forum. This is pricing the SEO firms, or SEO consultants, charging medium to large companies to handle there SEO for them.

In case your wondering my top package, other than 'Call for Quote' is $10,000 with $900/month maintenance fee. Yes I have two companies that are on that plan also, in case you were wondering.

Thank you Cyber for giving me a clearer picture on how these SEO plans work. I didnt have a clue exactly where this 400 / month is going to. I was told this is the normal price and anything less would be "throwing money away".

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KPYang

15 years ago

It's a good start you're making some kind of money with the site, which you bought from Flippa. You're probably making more than 80% of other marketers, but this is not the point.

Knowing you're a total newbie from your post here, which means you've got a lot to learn my friend.

What I suggest you rather do is go to the wso section and there is plenty of books on SEO that you can purchase for cheap and really educate yourself with SEO and other marketing tactics before hiring a big SEO firm. Especially you need to know what the heck the firm is offering and doing with your site. This will save you a lot of money, unless you don't have time to implement all the SEO tactics yourself. Remember, the most powerful element to make you rich is Knowledge and this is why you're here.

The truth is, there can be so much that member's can only give you on a regular thread like this, but the real content is within the products. Warning: with a lot of information that everyone is throwing at you can create a big information overload, and I'm pretty sure you don't want that.

For now, with the site running on WProbot like yours, there is not much you can do to it but monetize your site with related offers and the most is optimize you site for SEO purposes (On page-Wise).

See, with sites like yours, I should say, the way they make money is you have to run hundreds of them to make decent money.

Lets say your site is making $3 plus (a day) right now, so if you add 100 more sites that is making $3 a day also, if you do the math, that's a whooping $300 a day. Sites like that are meant to be left alone and run on autopilot. Hope this helps.

But, it's a good start, you can probably use this site to learn from it. Play around with, but I wouldn't really want to play around with it either because it's making money already.

So, my suggestion is really educate yourself with blog sites and seo before spending the big bucks on SEO firms.

Another thing is there is seo services in here that can pretty much do the same thing that the big firms do. Actually, they probably do the same things. These services is less then what you'll pay them to do.

Real Talk.

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dingo881

15 years ago

Originally Posted by KPYang

It's a good start you're making some kind of money with the site, which you bought from Flippa. You're probably making more than 80% of other marketers, but this is not the point.

Knowing you're a total newbie from your post here, which means you've got a lot to learn my friend.

What I suggest you rather do is go to the wso section and there is plenty of books on SEO that you can purchase for cheap and really educate yourself with SEO and other marketing tactics before hiring a big SEO firm. Especially you need to know what the heck the firm is offering and doing with your site. This will save you a lot of money, unless you don't have time to implement all the SEO tactics yourself. Remember, the most powerful element to make you rich is Knowledge and this is why you're here.

The truth is, there can be so much that member's can only give you on a regular thread like this, but the real content is within the products. Warning: with a lot of information that everyone is throwing at you can create a big information overload, and I'm pretty sure you don't want that.

For now, with the site running on WProbot like yours, there is not much you can do to it but monetize your site with related offers and the most is optimize you site for SEO purposes (On page-Wise).

See, with sites like yours, I should say, the way they make money is you have to run hundreds of them to make decent money.

Lets say your site is making $3 plus (a day) right now, so if you add 100 more sites that is making $3 a day also, if you do the math, that's a whooping $300 a day. Sites like that are meant to be left alone and run on autopilot. Hope this helps.

But, it's a good start, you can probably use this site to learn from it. Play around with, but I wouldn't really want to play around with it either because it's making money already.

So, my suggestion is really educate yourself with blog sites and seo before spending the big bucks on SEO firms.

Another thing is there is seo services in here that can pretty much do the same thing that the big firms do. Actually, they probably do the same things. These services is less then what you'll pay them to do.

Real Talk.

Thanks KP, great post. Im digging through the forum as we speak. Thank you all for all the help!

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15 years ago

It sounds as though youve gotten some decent advice here but I would like to add my 2 cents...

Before paying $400 a month for SEO I would do a little research here on the forum and learn a little about it myself. Once you've done that and have a basic idea of what you want/need there are several good SEO providers here on the forum. Check out the WSO section and Warriors for hire section, many there have worked wonders for people...at a lot less than $400 per month I might add

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PatrickP

15 years ago

Here is a suggestion to see if ANYONE knows how to do proper SEO.

Do a Google search for Search Engine

Guess what Google isn't even in first. No one and I say no one knows exactly how to do SEO. Oh yes for some strange search term string like First Green T-shirt you can get on the first page in the top spot but in reality it is a guessing game for the most part.

An educated guessing game but still . . .

And Google and the other search engines keep changing the rules.

To put it another way if ANY company really knew SEO don't you think they would say ok I will get you on the first page for your chosen search term. And THEN you pay me.

Well that just goes to show they don't really know what their efforts will yield.

To me forget SEO. Make a product which is remarkable. So remarkable that people who use it can do so for free and pay you after they see it works. THAT is the sort of product people will tell their friends about and there is no need for SEO, which is not much better than a shot in the dark.

BTW DogPile.com AltaVista.com and Yahoo.com are above Google when searching on Google for Search Engine lol

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omk

15 years ago

1 - be careful with autobloging software - if you use it, use it sparingly, with a mix of "real person" posts

2 - if u have enough money to pay $400 per month for SEO, you better be making at least 1.5 times that per month from your blog. I'd say take $400 and invest in some SEO software first or sign-up for a much cheaper monthly SEO or backlinking membership.

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Jill Carpenter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dingo881

hey Jill

I am not in the skateboarding business nor do I skateboard =). Looking in hindsight I think I should have waited for a site on another topic that I actually knew something about before I bought it (like mens hairloss or something lol ). My reasoning at the time was I just needed a site that was fully monetized and turnkey. I figured if it was autoblogging the content or if I can hire someone to write it didnt really matter if the site was about something im not passionate about.

I agree with that, although it is all part of the learning process.

I'm not going to say you can't make anything with that niche as you have stated yourself that you have some adsense generating. But the site does need more than just some SEO - and I think you are seeing that too.

The site should be as wonderful to visit as somewhere offline someone would want to go. Right now with the autoblogging going bezerk, sounds like there is some liter on the floor and no one has been in to clean up the mens room.

If you have made adsense, then you have had visitors. Could those visitors have been monetized better? I don't know what else is on your site, but sounds like they went for the penny candies at the front door.

And were did those visitors go? Did you have an autoresponder in place to perhaps capture their names and invite them to come back to visit again and perhaps sell them some cool clothes to wear while they are skateboarding?

Let's talk about that other niche you mentioned. Ahhh, hair loss. Some of us wish we could get rid of some hair, and some of us want it back. lol

As a person who wishes to get rid of some hair, I can say I know what this problem is all about. I know what things would appeal to others who had the same goal - to get rid of some hair. In times of leisure this is something I listen in about and pay attention too. I just woke up and had the infomercial channel on - and it was for that little laser thingie that is around 500 bucks. And those people knew exactly what I wanted to hear. I'm tired of shaving, I'm tired of waxing, I'm spending way too much money - good waxing will run a hundred bucks every couple of months, I want silky smooth skin all the time and I don't want that hair to come back.

A bunch of girls were on the tv all happy and talking about how they don't have to shave and how they go on vacation and don't need to bring a razor with them. They know what I know - and they found a solution.

Now, when I was a kid my friend had a skateboard and I did ride around her house on it. I have been on them a couple of times in my life. And there are some videos on youtube I've watched where the kids do some amazing things on them. But I have no idea what really goes into serious skateboarding. I don't know how or where to get into competitions that might be around. I don't know what kind of things I should look for if I was going to buy a skateboard. I don't know what fellow skateboarders are looking for and where they really spend money.

As a marketer, If I was offered the opportunity to sell hair removal or skateboarding - can you guess which one I would likely be more successful with?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by omk

1 - be careful with autobloging software - if you use it, use it sparingly, with a mix of "real person" posts

2 - if u have enough money to pay $400 per month for SEO, you better be making at least 1.5 times that per month from your blog. I'd say take $400 and invest in some SEO software first or sign-up for a much cheaper monthly SEO or backlinking membership.

Yes do not autoblog come up with your own unique content.

SEO is great if you know what your target audience is after.

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JamieSEO

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dingo881

Howdy everyone,

Just wanted to introduce myself. Im hoping to make some friends and hopefully learn a thing or 2 from the veteran members out there. I recently ventured into online marketing to see if I can generate another source of income. I still have my day job and just got a blog going in my spare time.

I have a brick and motar business that keeps me very busy during the day and I know absolutely nothing about SEO, web design, or internet marketing

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1. I purchased a newly created, fully monetized blog and domain about skateboarding at flippa.com. I was told that because it is using the WP robot its automatically generating content everyday and I should see money coming in with little or no work. As a business owner I know thats just a load of bull. But the reason I bought the site is because I knew nothing about how to create a similar site by myself. so I just bought one already made

Well - firstly, you already have a big advantage over many other newbies... you understand that it takes work to get results

There are many epic threads on internet marketing forums debating about autoblogs that you can check out. There was also an interesting discussion on Flippa.com's blog that you can check out here.

2. The only thing I know about SEO and getting traffic is creating good content. After reviewing some of the content that the WP robot is pulling in from random places I know that its of very poor quality and often had nothing even to do with skateboarding. I am wondering do these autoblogs using this plugin really can make money if marketed right? My plan was to hire someone and pay them to write articles for the site (since i know nothing about skateboarding). My question is where can I find reputable writers to write articles for me?

You can revise your keywords and customize WPRobot regarding content sources, however an autoblog can never produce anywhere near the level of quality you would want for a decent website. That is my opinion based on my own experience, but there are some internet marketers that swear by it. I suggest reading through some debates about the topic to get a balanced view

With articles you tend to get what you pay for... if you go for the $2 article you are likely to get something almost unusable.

To find a good writer you can check out the classifieds here in the Warrior forum and see their feedback. I also make note of any internet marketers that I deal with that actually are trustworthy and contact them to see if they have anyone they personally recommend.

3. One of my customers runs a web design /SEO company here in LA and he said he can do the SEO for me at the cost of $400/month. How do you guys do SEO for your sites? Didnt know it was that expensive.
My own feeble attempts at SEO so far has included, trying to post constructive comments on other peoples blogs, signing up for internet directories, creating profiles on sites like squidoo. Is there anything else I can do to promote my site? Is it worth it to pay a professional company to do it for you?

Ah - one of my favorite questions

What you need to measure is not "how much do they charge", but rather "what return do I get on my investment".

If you are paying $400 per month and that is leading to $5,000 in sales then the price is good.

If you are paying $400 per month and that is leading to $100 in sales then the price is bad :p

Think of it the same way as paying for a Yellow Pages Ad for your offline business. The cost is only relevant in relation to how great a return you get on that investment.

If you are going to use someone to manage the SEO side of things for you - make sure they demonstrate a willingness to explain things in a way you understand.

For an autoblog site - personally I would not even consider that kind of monthly payout.

Since it is your first site and can provide a reasonable learning experience I suggest limiting yourself to a budget of $50 per month for any promotion and that you have the site and your results checked at the end of each month to see what return on investment you are getting.

Any kind of advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Hope that helps

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aasuccess

15 years ago

Better chance writing your own 20 page ebook on this topic, and give it away in exchange of their email - build your list and gain credibility

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Banned 15 years ago

I'd skip the $400/mnth SEO firm until you do some research on others and know what you are getting for that money.

Personally, I'd also dump that plugin and use some of the money on great unique content. I used that plugin and it is trash. It brought in completely irrelevant articles that were poorly written and the rest of the stuff it brings in isn't quality either.

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Troy Broussard

15 years ago

Being an SEO provider and someone who is very "candid" about it I would say that you really need to assess the site and your goals first.

If this site is making positive income now (not from the claims of the person selling it but from your actual experience) then you can make an educated decision on how much of a budget it "deserves" or how much you want to "invest".

If it is not making income then I would highly advise you have someone you trust or who has some experience in SEO take a realistic look at the site and its ability to make money before you start pouring money into SEO.

Now, I do SEO professionally and love it, but I've got to tell you, it's not the best decision for a lot people to just come out of the gate spending money. Keep in mind as well that SEO isn't usually immediately successful. In other words, while it works and works very well if done correctly, it can take some time to "build up" it's impact - and that can be months for a new site (not sure if this is an aged domain or newer site, etc).

Just some stuff to chew around...

If you want PM me with the domain and I'll give you a quick candid assessment (free of charge - just looking to point you in the right direction)... I love SEO, but it's not for everyone nor every situation.

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HollyK

15 years ago

Hi Dingo,

You have the right first assumption about SEO that it starts with good content. If your blog posts are unrelated to skateboarding, this will hurt you. Search engines are looking for content that matches what the user is trying to find. If it isn't there, and the user hits the "back" button right away, that's considered a "bounce" and will hurt you in search engine placement. The more this happens, the less credible your site is in the eyes of the search engines, and the lower your rankings will fall.

If you don't like writing about skateboarding, and the autoblog is generating poor quality, you could consider hiring a writer for blog content or using PLR (private label rights) articles. If the blog content isn't included in the $400 a month figure, you're going to have to find out how else to generate content.

You could turn it into a review site, or a forum, but that means you will have to pour even more money into it.

The learning curve for IM is steep and can get expensive quickly. Buying websites in niches that you don't care about is a slippery slope... because the more you get, the more pressure that is to write about something you don't care about, and the more fragmented you will be.

There is a lot to be said for having a lot of minisites with affiliates, but the money won't fall from the sky. Before you spend another dime on anything, keep asking questions like this and the good people of this forum are sure to help you out.