Internet Marketing could be the death of me

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Havent earnt a bean in 1 and a half years, been conned about 5 times. Lost about 3 grand. In major debt, considering suicide to end my misery as I cant deal with much more. My health is terrible, I dont know if I will be able to make it to my useless low-paid job on Monday but will have no option if I want to continue...

What a **** world we live in.

My heart goes out to Norway at this difficult time...
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  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
    Welcome to the world of internet marketing. Where the lessons are costly, most people don't make a single dime, and sitting in front of a computer all the time usually creates depression.

    Get up, get out, get a job, stop doing this if its that bad.

    Otherwise, cool story bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author sodette1
      Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

      Welcome to the world of internet marketing. Where the lessons are costly, most people don't make a single dime, and sitting in front of a computer all the time usually creates depression.

      Get up, get out, get a job, stop doing this if its that bad.

      Otherwise, cool story bro.
      Uhm... man, where do you get your statistics from and wow... like, really?

      Life is hard - all of it. Starting any business is hard, all of them. Doing anything outside of the system of "show up and shut up" is not easy.

      Probably going to get some crap for saying the following but maybe it'll hit home in some way...

      First: Quit feeling sorry for yourself and get your head out of that dark place it's stuck.

      Really.

      Look, life is hard and doing anything outside of the average world of sleepwalking sheeple systems is definitely not easy.

      Ask any truly successful millionaire how much adversity they had to eat before they made it to the level of success they currently enjoy but be prepared to open a six pack or sit down with a full pot of coffee before starting the conversation because I don't know any millionaire who doesn't have more stories about adversity overcome than there are hours in a day.

      Those stories of hitting the bottom of the barrel and then sinking into the rotting wood of the bottom of the empty barrel are like a never-ending gob-stopper from Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory - they just never run out.

      It isn't life that changes when you get older its your ability to deal with adversity and stress better because you've survived so much of it that changes.

      Not with drugs, not with chemicals, not through avoidance... but by taking life by the horns and just dealing with it as it comes at you.

      Look... I'm actually all for suicide as an option - after all, its your life regardless what the religiously fundamentalists would want you to believe. Yours, do with it as you please.

      But... why stop before trying harder? Why give up if there are still challenges to be met and difficulties to overcome?

      Money is NOT a reason for ending life for sure. Who cares about the robots calling you every 15 minutes of the day to remind you that you are a loser and you owe someone money?

      You shouldn't. Those idiots calling you just got over 5 Trillion dollars in bailouts and guess what? They created their profits with a stroke of the keyboard and never broke a sweat to earn it... then, they went broke and begged for someone else to pay for their irresponsibility - us.

      Sheeze... don't feel too badly about those idiots. Pay them when you can... or let them do what they will.

      What's the worse that could happen? They take everything, you lose your best girl, your car, your home, your fancy iPhone and computers... ok.

      Move on.

      Get up... brush yourself off... start over again. With health, youth and a good attitude, you can conquer the world dude.

      Fail forward faster... that's what I say. The only way you know you are living is by counting how many mistakes you make daily. If you are not screwing up, your not trying enough new things.

      I got news... life doesn't get easier, you just get better at dealing with the bull**it.

      At only 46 - 47 later this year, I can tell you - making millions is great, losing millions, twice, not so great.

      I'm sure I'll have new lows to hit in some areas of life... just lost 15 years of real estate assets in a financial fart blown by the big bankers and US Government's irresponsibilities... could end it all I suppose, but what fun would that be?

      Get up, dust off... keep moving forward and learn from my mistakes.

      You should do the same and quit this pity party crap. Define the problems - come up with and focus on the solutions.

      Does that guarantee a better tomorrow? Nope. Just a different one.

      How exciting! Each day is a new set of challenges to deal with and if you survive, you get the priveledge of doing it all again tomorrow.

      To some, that may seem like a morbid view of reality but let me tell you... every now and again the days DON'T suck and WOW! Those incredible days far outweigh the bad ones... even the worst of them.

      You can always end it all... so why not try living before you choose the alternative? There is so much to do, so much to try, so many places to go and people to see...

      Get out.. help someone else... start doing things you like instead of trying to like doing the things you do - especially when it comes to making money.

      Yes... IM can be hard- especially if you are trying to do it on your own.

      $3k in expenses... holy crap dude! I spent near $50k my first four years learning to market, write copy, create products, get coaching, buy softeare, do membership sites, affiliate market, build software, help offline clients, etc.

      $3k? Hell... that was my first month... and tell me - name any business other than MLM where you even have the potential to make a fortune or - just pay the bills for that matter - for only $3k?

      It's a start...

      Get someone to help you create a product and sell it... get up, do your best, be proud of who you are and like yourself.

      Start there and if you aren't making money in a short time... well... get up and try again.

      Anyway... probably not what you wanted to hear but, it's what works. Life isn't any easier for anyone else, never forget that. But it is worth giving it all you have and then some to get to the little victories.

      One more thing... and this is maybe controversial also.

      Fundamentalists in the West think that if they do good, God or whatever they believe in will reward them with good in return. That if they do right, good things will happen to them.

      Then, when life sucks - which it inevitably will now and again, they get all pissed off about it and blame everyone but themselves. Including thier god because they think doing good deserves a big fat reward. They do good for the rewards... not becuase doing good is just the right thing to do.

      In the East... Buddhists first of the four basic tenants says something like "All life is suffering" so... when they have a bad day they go "Great! Just what I expected!" and move on... if they have a great day they say "Great! Better than expected" see the difference?

      Don't expect life to be fair or kind or good to you... all of the time, it just isn't.

      Appreciate each challenge as a gift to get to know yourself better and test your own limits... to see what kind of man (or woman) you really are inside.

      When you start looking at hard times this way... you'll actually begin to look forward to the challenges they bring and the opportunities they present to help you grow.

      The exit button is always available... easy is easy. What is harder but much more rewarding is the "get up, dust yourself off, and stay in the game" button - but push that one anyway. In the long run, you'll be worth more to both yourself and to those in your life who may one day need your strength and character to help them through hard times also.
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      • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
        Originally Posted by uncmonk500 View Post

        Havent earnt a bean in 1 and a half years, been conned about 5 times. Lost about 3 grand. In major debt, considering suicide to end my misery as I cant deal with much more. My health is terrible, I dont know if I will be able to make it to my useless low-paid job on Monday but will have no option if I want to continue...

        What a **** world we live in.

        My heart goes out to Norway at this difficult time...

        Originally Posted by uncmonk500 View Post

        Thanks, I have a job, it earns me £200 a week minus £50 for petrol so about £150, it is highly repetitve and depressing.

        Believe me I've tried to find better jobs, applied for hundreds. Never hear anything and my CV isn't terrible. My country (UK) is screwed. Makes me sick

        I'm well and truly stuck behind the 8-ball now

        I honestly believe in what I was doing for the last 6 months believeing I could earn a moderate income to keep me above water but site after site, no sales. thousands wasted on website building and SEO. Work not being carried out to a high standard. Lack of communication and support.

        Life aint fair.
        I think you meant to say you haven't earned anything from IM. You're earning from your job and as far as I can tell at £150 a week, that's almost £12,000 in the last 18 months.

        So it's depressing and boring. Big deal. So is creating websites, links, articles, videos,... anything is if you don't like it. And more so when you 'have' to do it, regardless of whether you feel like it or not.

        Why have you spent so much on building websites and SEO? Learn it yourself, maybe you'll find it's not so boring that way. Plus you'll save yourself a heap of money into the bargain.

        Your country isn't screwed. (not yet, but give it time, it's coming. ) But so what if it is? Doesn't mean you have to be. I'm in the UK and I'm not screwed, and so are plenty of other folks in this forum.

        We all have bad times. This one is yours. Maybe you'll feel different tomorrow, maybe you'll feel the same. Who knows?

        One thing's for sure. You won't know unless you're here to find out.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThelemaqueTip
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  • Profile picture of the author uncmonk500
    Thanks, I have a job, it earns me £200 a week minus £50 for petrol so about £150, it is highly repetitve and depressing.

    Believe me I've tried to find better jobs, applied for hundreds. Never hear anything and my CV isn't terrible. My country (UK) is screwed. Makes me sick

    I'm well and truly stuck behind the 8-ball now

    I honestly believe in what I was doing for the last 6 months believeing I could earn a moderate income to keep me above water but site after site, no sales. thousands wasted on website building and SEO. Work not being carried out to a high standard. Lack of communication and support.

    Life aint fair.
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    • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
      Originally Posted by uncmonk500 View Post


      Life aint fair.
      That's the truth kid. Life ain't fair.

      It's not fair when a drunk driver lives after a head on collision that killed three people in the other car.

      It's not fair when someone else gets a promotion you've been trying for for longer when they've been there not even the third of the time you have.

      It's not fair when things don't work out the way you want.

      Why are you wasting your money on IM when it seems like you're not even happy with the things going on right now?

      Instead of trying to make IM work, you should be saving money. While you're saving money, look for a new job that will possibly have better pay, less repetition, and help you be less depressed in general.

      You're in major debt, trying to make IM work. STOP. You're putting yourself in debt to make it work, and its not.

      STOP!

      Start saving up money, paying off some of that debt, find a better job with better pay to help with that.

      STOP MAKING WEBSITES. It's not working for you.

      Can you write? Freelance article writer. It will help you make an extra $20-$100 a week if you do it right. That's $80-$400 a month if you keep the work up. Do that, it doesn't cost you ANYTHING to do that.

      You already own the sites, set yourself up as a freelancer on one and put it in your sig.

      WORK ON GETTING YOUR LIFE BETTER, INSTEAD OF MAKING IT WORSE.

      Just sayin'.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by uncmonk500 View Post

      Thanks, I have a job, it earns me £200 a week minus £50 for petrol so about £150, it is highly repetitve and depressing.

      ...

      I honestly believe in what I was doing for the last 6 months believeing I could earn a moderate income to keep me above water but site after site, no sales. thousands wasted on website building and SEO. Work not being carried out to a high standard. Lack of communication and support.
      You cannot spend your way out of debt. It looks like you've spent a lot of money on your online efforts--more money it appears than you make at your job.

      Stop that.

      It also appears that you've been jumping from site to site in the last 6 months.

      Stop that.

      Analyze your sites. Pick one that shows the most promise or that you most enjoy working on yet still has potential. FOCUS on that one site. Drop the others. Sell them, let them expire, whatever.

      Stop spending money on backlinks, and special reports, and systems and schemes and whatnot. Stop spending money chasing the dream and focus on your site. Make it better. Add content. Build traffic. Etc.

      But, bottom line, stop spending money on every promising report or service or whatnot you see. At least until you can afford such things out of the earnings from your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    The UK is not screwed.

    It's not the countries fault that you're where you are - you need to take accountability for your situation if you want to change it.

    We've all been there.

    When I started in IM I was £50k in debt and getting divorced. I would have loved to be in your position.
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  • Profile picture of the author alphadesign
    You need to find motivation! That's everything!
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  • Profile picture of the author RobCopywriter
    You cant have not gained any money from 3grand?! Even if you were conned, but things will look up dont worry!
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  • Profile picture of the author HigherPrThanGod
    Originally Posted by uncmonk500 View Post

    Havent earnt a bean in 1 and a half years, been conned about 5 times. Lost about 3 grand. In major debt, considering suicide to end my misery as I cant deal with much more. My health is terrible, I dont know if I will be able to make it to my useless low-paid job on Monday but will have no option if I want to continue...

    What a **** world we live in.

    My heart goes out to Norway at this difficult time...
    How did you lose 3 grand? Was it all at once? Was it Don Lapre?
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    • Profile picture of the author areaman
      I'm really sorry you are struggling the way your are. You mention spending 3K. Is that on different products or on a training program? I'm guessing you have been suffering from "shiny objects syndrome". It is tough when you desperate to make an income and you are looking for anything that is a life raft to you. It doesn't help when you read how affiliate marketing is dead, do facebook or offline or whatever the current trend is this moment. The trick is find something that you really like doing (or don't mind doing) and go from there. If it's creating PDR great! If it's article marketing terrific. Whatever you do, focus on being the best in that area that you can be. Find something that you can focus on, instead of getting distracted on the next "latest and greatest". It can take some time to be good but when you do become an expert, then not only will you turn the corner, but then you will have people who will want to know how you did it and will be willing to pay you to find out.

      I can already see the headline: Find out how I went from penniless and suicidal to living the life of my dreams by just doing...."

      Good luck and I can't wait to hear about your success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
    Dammit Steve, there you go being all super-awesome and stuff.

    Monk, or whatever the hell your name is. Take a long, HARD look at Steve Odettes post above this one. If ANYONE can tell you how to turn **** around, its him. If Steve didn't cost so much, I'd sit him down and have him coach me a bit.

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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    LOL its great that a guy is talking about suicide and all of the responses are "cool story bro" and "man up, life ain't fair".
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    • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      LOL I love that a guy is talking about suicide and all ofthe responses are "cool story bro" and "man up, life ain't fair".

      Have some class, guys.
      I love how you don't read an entire thread before posting. Good Job Luke. You with that smile of yours. You know, that Luke smile.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
        Originally Posted by Buildingfutures View Post

        I love how you don't read an entire thread before posting. Good Job Luke. You with that smile of yours. You know, that Luke smile.
        I read the thread. All of YOUR responses were that of a grade-A d-bag. Have fun kicking a guy while he's down, I'm sure he appreciates it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
          Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

          I read the thread. All of YOUR responses were that of a grade-A d-bag. Have fun kicking a guy while he's down, I'm sure he appreciates it.
          It's the same treatment I got when I posted a thread like this a few years back. Sometimes the best way to get over yourself is to have others just tell it like it is. And its not like you actually contributed anything more than pointing out what an asshole I am, which everyone already knows.

          Good job sir. Contribute something to help the gentleman, in a caring bedside manner or a gruff biker manner, but contribute something. I've already told him he needs to focus on getting rid of some of his debt, possibly find a better job, and work on getting rid of the depression he has. IM is just another stresser in his life that he DOES NOT NEED at the moment.

          Hell, I even told him a way to make some money without having to spend any, if he works a bit.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    If you're truly considering suicide you need help beyond what you'll find on this forum. Please take a look:

    Choose Life

    Get help dealing with your suicidal thoughts before you even try to figure out how to sort out your business/economic situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joeyg50
    Look at his posts a few months back, he was making money. I think this guy made
    money and was scammed out of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Buildingfutures
      Originally Posted by Joeyg50 View Post

      Look at his posts a few months back, he was making money. I think this guy made
      money and was scammed out of it.
      If he was making money then, and he hasn't been able to replicate that success again, that's just another depressing thing for him to deal with, which can be a HUGE problem, and hindrance when trying to do this again.

      I personally think he needs to take time off and away from IM, and possibly find a better job that could end the repitition of this current job he has, possibly pay him better, and it could help a lot with the depression if he pays off some of his debts while he's away from IM. So when he comes back he can have a fresh perspective, and do it all over again.

      It's what I've done several times whenever it seems like its getting to be too much. IM is a hobby for me, and I have never treated it like anything more. IT's the first thing I drop if things are out of hand.

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  • Profile picture of the author NoBSGuy
    I understand your pain. All I say is don`t take failure that negatively, instead try to look at it as a lesson for life. After all, we all have to fail in order to learn how to succeed.

    In the beginning, most of the money I spent on IM products was basically flushed down the toilet. I went from one downfall to another and felt like magically attracted to internet scam and rehashed fluff. What made things even worse for me was this darned feeling that ANYONE except me was successful online.

    If there`s one thing I`ve learned over the process of 4 years IM experience then it`s LEaRnING from the mistakes I committed and WHO I trust, and do it better at all costs and no matter what comes toward my path! THe fact that I was completely broke didn`t change my mindset even a little bit apart from making me stronger.

    IM is a survival game that requires perseverance and strong will. As with most difficult things in life you will have to decide whether you are going to adapt to it and push it all the way through or not. Don`t forget that if others are making money online, then you can too . Just think out of the box

    Stay strong and keep your faith
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      What the heck were you spending 3 grand on? And what on earth does this have to do with what happened in Norway?????
      that's heartless bro...i dont think his story had anything to do with norway, it's just with his saddened frame of mind he felt like giving respect to another sad situation that was bigger than his own. lay off of him and take it easy.

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      The UK is not screwed.

      It's not the countries fault that you're where you are - you need to take accountability for your situation if you want to change it.

      We've all been there.

      When I started in IM I was £50k in debt and getting divorced. I would have loved to be in your position.
      again, heartless...the dude is considering suicide i dont think he cares about your ex wife who ran up a 50k bill and split...come on tell us the truth we know thats what happened, lol(sorry i dont have that dollar sign on my keyboard )

      joking, have a sense of humor.

      .....anyway the warriorforum is supposed to be helpful, its a community and communities are not uplifting... we all have horror stories from our newbie days...so how about telling him how you overcame your adversities.

      let me guess once your significant gold digger left. you all of a sudden saved up 50k in which you spent that on ppc advertising to your first product that offered an oto an upsell and a downsell??

      (again im just joking, but i just see the comedic irony behind you having 50k of debt and going through a divorce bwahaha)..
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  • Profile picture of the author bretski
    Originally Posted by uncmonk500 View Post

    Havent earnt a bean in 1 and a half years, been conned about 5 times. Lost about 3 grand. In major debt, considering suicide to end my misery as I cant deal with much more. My health is terrible, I dont know if I will be able to make it to my useless low-paid job on Monday but will have no option if I want to continue...

    What a **** world we live in.

    My heart goes out to Norway at this difficult time...

    My suggestion would be to ask for some help on your sites. While the ones that you have links to are OK, they're not great.

    It looks like you have about 270 backlinks to your one site there but they're all profile backlinks... soooooo, someone charged you a ton of money for seo services which might have cost you a fiverr? I'm just asking...

    I've been in your spot before. What I did was just push through the garbage, got to work writing and building backlinks by hand. I didn't have money to buy seo services so maybe that was a blessing in disguise. There wasn't money for much of anything. The dog and I literally ate ramen noodles to keep our hearts beating for weeks at a time.

    You can do this stuff. All the information you need is right here on this forum. You can ask for help as long as you can not take the criticism personally and just do this. It is very simple. There is no mystery to seo or how to sell. If I can do this you can too... I'm a freakin' idiot!

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  • Profile picture of the author ButterflyIS
    Hi unkmonk500
    My name is Tom.

    Your story touched my heart.
    I have a great experience and I've helped some people make money online.

    I'll help you step by step to make money online!
    We can start tomorrow..

    Please pm me
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  • Profile picture of the author Joeyg50
    I played online poker last year alot and was trying to do it as a living. This is basically the exact same thing. In poker 10% of the people make all the money. Go on 2+2 forum and u will find these same type of post. I even made one. I learned my lesson from poker to keep this as a hobby. If u watch Ed Dale's Challenge Videos he stresses, take it slow and easy. Do 1 thing a day.That is very hard for alot of us to do but use baby steps.
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  • Profile picture of the author try_hard_samurai
    I can definitely understand your CV troubles.

    I followed the "standard" path here in the states. I went and got my bachleors, then I went to business school and sunk a bunch of money into an MBA.

    I graduated in the summer of 2008. The ink on my diploma hadn't had time to dry before financial crisis hit. All of the sudden the market was flooded with folks who had advanced degrees plus experience. The latter of which I lacked being a new grad.

    I've been working in jobs that the only req is that you have a pulse. I landed a good gig in 2009 with a grant funded program with our state gov. That didn't last however, a year and a half later the program's funding was cut and I was laid off. I haven't been able to find anything since, and everyone I've showed my resume to has told me that I have a strong one.

    It's just tough all over right now, but things will get better in time.

    Hang in there.
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