I Kissed A Scam Artist...BUT I Think I Liked It

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"My gut instinct told me that this was not the type of client I should be dealing with. In fact, they had contacted me out of the blue, an urgent job apparently. They had spoken to a previous client of mine, seen a few samples, and wanted to do business.

However, I just couldn't rid myself of that nagging feeling. The way the client initially spoke to me - you know the sort - Looks upon freelancers as a species of inferior being, has a million and one instructions that could have been summed up in a sentence, and repetitive...OMG, how repetitive. OK, I get it, now leave me alone!

Against my better judgement I accepted the project. Hell, it's a subject I knew extremely well, it was $300, and I could research and write the entire thing in a day and a half. As I say, against my better judgement I completed the project, and with no up-front payment. My trusting nature (and the fact I had never encountered a non-paying client in 3 years), however, eventually led to my downfall."


A true story folks...However, it has a huge twist.

96 hours after delivery I have had no response from the client, although I know that they have been online in that time, and that they are still conducting business. The first thing I did was to check whether the articles had been published (and indexed), and to my surprise I discovered every single one of them had.

10 articles all indexed in Google on 10 different websites. So, my initial thoughts were to continue contacting the client requesting payment, but I also completed some research on the client, and indeed the websites that had published my articles.

What did I find out about the client - I discovered the client's IP address, location, and I believe I can even prove that they are not the sex they claim to be. The client works as a middleman/women/person and provides content for numerous webmasters.

However, it appears that they don't have the greatest references or testimonials. This client is the type of person who starts something, but has neither the intelligence nor inclination to complete anything, and see it through to the end. I know - I should have conducted my research before accepting the project, but hey, we live and learn.

Anyway, after researching the websites that had published my articles, I discover that every single one has been online for a minimum of 5 years, they all have PRs of 4-6, they have a bundle of traffic, thousands of articles, and an active readership.

Furthermore, my articles had picked up a number of interesting comments within the space of 24 hours, and this had started a variety of conversations between the sites' admin/owners and their readers.

So, this, of course, gives me an idea. To be honest, I'm not really bothered about the 300 bucks, although I would love to teach this pathetic client a lesson. However, they have now introduced me to 10 websites that have great PR, high traffic, and a readership that is interested in what I have to say.

In fact, I have a couple of websites myself within the same niches. My immediate thoughts turn to the possibility of article syndication, JV's, and paid writing projects for many years to come.

However, I find myself with a predicament - How do I approach these website owners? Do I explain everything? Do I simply approach them as an interested party who has provided content in the past and would like to build a business relationship from there?

I had already written out the emails I was going to send the website owners. These were basically a request to remove the content, as I still owned copyright, and explaining that the articles had been obtained illegally (as no payment had been made), etc. etc. etc.

But now I feel I've been handed a little goldmine, but I think my feelings towards this client is clouding my judgement. I would really like to teach this client a lesson in ethics, but who the hell am I to do that. What am I? Some hero crusader who fights evil? HELL NO!

I'm thinking business. So after my version of War and Peace (apologies), my basic questions are - How would YOU approach these website owners? What would YOU say? How much of the story would YOU tell them? And would YOU bother with the client over a few hundred bucks?

I would appreciate any advice on offer, and I thank you for taking the time to read my thread.

Cheers
Partha
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    An eternal optimist would offer to create more articles like the sample they already accepted, problem is you don't know they paid, may be way lower than your regular rate due to the distributor's 'low cost'.

    At least you should be able to sell them elsewhere to a low chance of legal repercussions, though you won't be first indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Hi Partha,

    You don't routinely take payment in full, in advance, from new clients?

    I think I'd send each of the website-owners a very polite, friendly message as you propose above, certainly not threatening a DMCA notice, but explaining what's happened while stating clearly that you own the copyright. As you rightly imply, there's clearly an opportunity here to pick up some clients, if you want them - but perhaps the "fishing expedition" should be more for the second email, assuming you get a reply?

    I think it will probably be necessary to give them a fairly detailed explanation, in order to establish your own bona fides and not have them wondering whether they have, in fact, dealt with a perfectly legitimate service and you - whom they don't know at all, presumably? - are the one trying to "pull a fast one". Judging by the excellent title you gave this thread, your writing skills are such that you'll pull this off with no difficulty at all!

    Good luck and good wishes, in this unusual situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author affilcrazy
      @ Alexa,

      Thanks as always...

      I do, in fact, routinely take payment in full, in advance, from new clients, unless I have formulated an opinion of them over time. A prime example of this, I have recently completed 2 projects for Warriors, without requesting advance payment, as I have interacted with them on numerous threads over the years, and enjoy their musings, thoughts, opinions, etc.

      However, I will mention that I am far too trusting, especially for someone working in an online business environment. Lesson learnt, although it took 3 years to happen!

      My main concern was, as you mentioned, the legitimacy of my claims in the website owners' eyes. I, obviously, have transcripts of email conversations with the original client, proof of when the articles were saved to my hard-drive (before they have been published on said websites), and proof that no payment has ever been made.

      However, I very much like your idea of not "fishing" until a response has been received from an initial "detailed explanation". I don't see the need to go the DMCA route as of yet, and I am looking at this as a potential business opportunity.

      Thanks once again, Alexa.

      @ webapex - my aim is to produce syndication opportunities from these websites, rather than paid projects (although, I obviously I wouldn't say no if it's worth my while)

      @ mrdanilodiaz - The original client isn't very intelligent, and clicked through on a link I provided them in my "2nd request for payment" email. From this I was able to ascertain their location and IP address, and indeed discover the identity of a website they own. As for finding articles you have written, and where they've been published, simply take a segment of the article and put into Google search, and voila, if the article's been indexed it should show up.

      @ peterjamesmorris - Thanks for the response. You can just click the "Thanks" button under webapex's post.

      Cheers
      Partha

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Hi Partha,

      You don't routinely take payment in full, in advance, from new clients?

      I think I'd send each of the website-owners a very polite, friendly message as you propose above, certainly not threatening a DMCA notice, but explaining what's happened while stating clearly that you own the copyright. As you rightly imply, there's clearly an opportunity here to pick up some clients, if you want them - but perhaps the "fishing expedition" should be more for the second email, assuming you get a reply?

      I think it will probably be necessary to give them a fairly detailed explanation, in order to establish your own bona fides and not have them wondering whether they have, in fact, dealt with a perfectly legitimate service and you - whom they don't know at all, presumably? - are the one trying to "pull a fast one". Judging by the excellent title you gave this thread, your writing skills are such that you'll pull this off with no difficulty at all!

      Good luck and good wishes, in this unusual situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdanilodiaz
    I don't know what to do if these things will happen to me.
    I think you just need to explain everything. There's no harm to tell the truth.

    Can you tell who this client is and the articles you wrote?
    Just curious.
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  • Profile picture of the author carloru
    In order not to get burned this way next time, switch to a "payment before service" or escrow based payment system before taking on such jobs. Of course, follow your gut instinct. God put it in us for a purpose.
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    • Profile picture of the author affilcrazy
      Hi,

      Thanks for the comment, but a closer inspection of my post would reveal that my questions have nothing to do "getting paid" or "getting burned".

      I am fully aware of how to sanction a DMCA notice, I understand about, at least, getting some, if not all, of payment beforehand, although my own stupidity in this current example is plain for all to see.

      But, once again, thanks for the comment anyway.

      Cheers
      Partha

      Originally Posted by carloru View Post

      In order not to get burned this way next time, switch to a "payment before service" or escrow based payment system before taking on such jobs. Of course, follow your gut instinct. God put it in us for a purpose.
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