How to get an email list to become subscribers...??

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rickling

Catch 22

Hi Rick,

The reason it's "Catch 22" is perhaps that you're in possession of their email addresses without your having been the person to whose list they originally opted in. :p

I'm one of the keenest list-builders here, but these are almost certainly not people I'd want on my lists, and I'm wondering why you want them on yours? If it's because they're previous buyers of products/services in exactly the same niche as one in which you're promoting products/services, and if they've given express consent (when they originally did opt in to whatever they opted in to) to have their email addresses passed on to other people (e.g. yourself), then I can kind of understand, I suppose. But even if all that's so, unless this is a very up-to-date list, it's going to be really difficult to contact most of them, probably. It doesn't bode well, I'm afraid.

The reasons that no commercial autoresponder company will let you "import" that list into their emailing service are the very same reasons you need to be so careful about contacting them using your own internet connection (because it typically takes only a few "spam" complaints to lose that!).

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Toby.T

14 years ago

Reply of the year above..

Very obvious that these people do not want to be emailed, it's a spam list.. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and most companies like Aweber and GetResponse will spot it in less than a few hours and close your account when you get complaints.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Toby.T

Reply of the year above..

Very obvious that these people do not want to be emailed, it's a spam list.. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and most companies like Aweber and GetResponse will spot it in less than a few hours and close your account when you get complaints.

I found out I couldn't put em in thru aweber that why I was emailing them from gmail account!! So I guess if you buy leads how on earth do you put em on your list hmmm!! If they are considered spam how are they allowed to be sold legally hmm I guess its a bit like the copy page that says you can earn a 100k in 30 days right!!!
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DireStraits

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rickling

So I guess if you buy leads how on earth do you put em on your list hmmm!! If they are considered spam how are they allowed to be sold legally hmm I guess its a bit like the copy page that says you can earn a 100k in 30 days right!!!

There are legitimate ways of acquiring and using paid leads, but those whose data's being passed on need to have consented to that, as mentioned by Alexa.

And even when that's happened, you really need to be contacting them only once with the proposal that if they wish to hear from you again, they should confirm/opt in. Otherwise you're going to get a lot of spam complaints and will soon be in violation of the CAN-SPAM Act.

Many commercial email marketing services disallow this practice either way, even when done in an otherwise legitimate fashion: it might not be illegal, but they've chosen to prohibit it under their own Terms of Service because to allow it would cause them far too many headaches and disputes.

Those who do go about this legitimately usually do so in conjunction with a self-hosted mailing-list/autoresponder, set up for their own exclusive use, on their own server.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DireStraits

Those who do go about this legitimately usually do so in conjunction with a self-hosted mailing-list/autoresponder, set up for their own exclusive use, on their own server.

And they put rubber gloves on, to send out the emails, too - I'm only repeating what I've heard.

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DireStraits 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

And they put rubber gloves on, to send out the emails, too - I'm only repeating what I've heard.

Sounds kinky ...
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R Hagel

14 years ago

Yup, you most certainly purchased a spammer's list. I know this because I got your email yesterday. Total spam -- you'll be lucky if you don't lose your ISP, web host, and other accounts that can be connected to you through that email.

Worse yet, you exposed EVERYONE's email to everyone else. Smooth move there. Again, if all you get are a few pissed off emails from people on this list, then drop to your knees and thank your lucky stars.

STOP buying lists. Build your own. And don't forget to delete the spam list you purchased.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Yup, you most certainly purchased a spammer's list. I know this because I got your email yesterday. Total spam -- you'll be lucky if you don't lose your ISP, web host, and other accounts that can be connected to you through that email.

Worse yet, you exposed EVERYONE's email to everyone else. Smooth move there. Again, if all you get are a few pissed off emails from people on this list, then drop to your knees and thank your lucky stars.

STOP buying lists. Build your own. And don't forget to delete the spam list you purchased.

Ok so how do I tell if someone who is on here and like 20 other people selling spammer lists!!! Go checkout where they sell adswas and there you will find spammers sellers also.

If you was on that list that this person sold to me then hmm!! I some how don't I am going to lose my webhost but anyway will be wary in the future and as you are telling me so much how to not get spammer lists how on earth does one build his own list which I have been trying to do!! Maybe I'm am the ony one who receives spam in my mail but can't get rid of it but if I do it then I'm the baddest around hmm go figure!! Thanks for the advice though heeded!!
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littledan

14 years ago

You really must build your list yourself. as others have posted in thier replies, you have not got permission from the owners of the email addresses to send them information, so yes I would call this spam. You must get someone to opt in to you first, then build a relationship with them by sending high quailty free information on the subject they have signed up for. Do not buy lists and then try to flog stuff to them, bad idea.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by littledan

You really must build your list yourself. as others have posted in thier replies, you have not got permission from the owners of the email addresses to send them information, so yes I would call this spam. You must get someone to opt in to you first, then build a relationship with them by sending high quailty free information on the subject they have signed up for. Do not buy lists and then try to flog stuff to them, bad idea.

Why are people selling list that are spam lists!!??

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myob 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rickling

Why are people selling list that are spam lists!!??

There is a legitimate market for targeted leads, but unless you know the source and demographics, your list is worthless. There is a very good reason for commercial autoresponder providers and ISP prohibiting using third party lists. The common denominator is that most people either have no idea what they're doing or are abusing the system.
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R Hagel

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rickling

Why are people selling list that are spam lists!!??

Seriously? Do you think a real spammer cares if he/she sells a spam list? If the person doesn't mind spamming others, then he's not going to mind making money by selling that same list to others.

It's kind of like asking, "Why do robbers sell stolen goods!!??" If the robber doesn't mind robbing others, then he's not going to mind making money by selling the stolen goods to others.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Seriously? Do you think a real spammer cares if he/she sells a spam list? If the person doesn't mind spamming others, then he's not going to mind making money by selling that same list to others.

It's kind of like asking, "Why do robbers sell stolen goods!!??" If the robber doesn't mind robbing others, then he's not going to mind making money by selling the stolen goods to others.

Your right so why are they on here selliing list that are so called spam lists??? Maybe there not!!! That's my question not about robbers and #$#!!!

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uebomoyi

14 years ago

Perhaps you could survey them and ask what it is they need or, you could ask the person who you bought them from one what type of target audience they are and whatever they are, you simply create pdf reports solving their problems or videos explaining different softwares that could benefit them. Providing targeted value usually brings a good return when trying to get subs on your list.

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myob

14 years ago

Originally Posted by uebomoyi

Perhaps you could survey them and ask what it is they need or, you could ask the person who you bought them from one what type of target audience they are and whatever they are, you simply create pdf reports solving their problems or videos explaining different softwares that could benefit them. Providing targeted value usually brings a good return when trying to get subs on your list.

Don't do this without rubber gloves and donning kinky gay apparel.

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filippot51

14 years ago

my blog has 1500 visitors in a month .I offer a ebook to the subscribers .You know how many subscribers i had of 1500? 1 I say ONE I'm positive I'm not good at it.may be i need to buy a list! LOL

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cscarpero

14 years ago

Been there, done that! Trash those "leads" and start over using legitimate marketing tactics like free reports and selling products and provide value in your follow up.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cscarpero

Been there, done that! Trash those "leads" and start over using legitimate marketing tactics like free reports and selling products and provide value in your follow up.

Thanks also for the advice!
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cscarpero

14 years ago

Originally Posted by filippot51

my blog has 1500 visitors in a month .I offer a ebook to the subscribers .You know how many subscribers i had of 1500? 1 I say ONE I'm positive I'm not good at it.may be i need to buy a list! LOL

Get Jason Fladlien's wp member plugin and make your readers opt in to read your content. You can provide free "teaser" content.

See, instant list!

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Rickling 14 years ago

Will check it out sounds like an idea!! This plugin!
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entrepreneurjay

14 years ago

People sell crappy lists for a reason because they are not worth a _ _ _ _

I would start making squeeze pages, start a blog, buy a cool plugin that will help speed up your listbuilding. I just bought one today and installed it on my blog for listbuilding it rocks.

Drive targeted traffic to your blogs and squeeze pages once you get about five hundred subscribers join safeswaps and start adswapping with other marketers.

This will build you a real profitable list.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay

People sell crappy lists for a reason because they are not worth a _ _ _ _

I would start making squeeze pages, start a blog, buy a cool plugin that will help speed up your listbuilding. I just bought one today and installed it on my blog for listbuilding it rocks.

Drive targeted traffic to your blogs and squeeze pages once you get about five hundred subscribers join safeswaps and start adswapping with other marketers.

This will build you a real profitable list.

I see your into adswaps also but prob is need a list first so hmm!! Will keep you in mnd when I get a list somehow!!
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matsanti

14 years ago

Buying list would be ill advised. Best way to start off is to build your own list. Once you started to make headways into listbuilding, then build a relationship with your list members. Once a relationship is built and credibility established then everything will all roll down to place.

Remember to provide your listmembers with email series first that they will see something of value before sending out the offers.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by matsanti

Buying list would be ill advised. Best way to start off is to build your own list. Once you started to make headways into listbuilding, then build a relationship with your list members. Once a relationship is built and credibility established then everything will all roll down to place.

Remember to provide your listmembers with email series first that they will see something of value before sending out the offers.

Thanks for the advice and not the abuse I aksed for advice and got it here!!
Rick Ling

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Trapped

14 years ago

I gotta love google and performing a search for site:warriorforum.com "rick ling" after receiving a spam email and landing in this page.

So Rick ling, how did you compiled your email list? Who sold you my email? And how uneducated you are to IM to send the emails as BCC that everyone else now sees my email, just the same way I see theirs?

You are one of those for which the huge amount of "Warriors are spamming" threads are opening OP.

To OPs, if you need any proof, or me forwarding you the spam email I just received from Rick Ling, please PM me and I will be happy to forward the email!!

From a frustrated warrior,
Astrit

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Trapped

You are one of those for which the huge amount of "Warriors are spamming" threads are opening OP.

Well, to be fair, Astrit, as you'll see if you read through the thread, Rick seems to have acknowledged that in his inexperience he made the mistake of buying a bad list and spamming people with it, and obviously he's not intending to repeat that. Which is the main thing, surely?

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Trapped

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Well, to be fair, Astrit, as you'll see if you read through the thread, Rick seems to have acknowledged that in his inexperience he made the mistake of buying a bad list and spamming people with it, and obviously he's not intending to repeat that. Which is the main thing, surely?

Indeed, if he just kept the promise..because i received his email just a minute before I made the post

and his promise was of..umm around 4 days ago. So yeah, I will cross fingers and hope he won't do it (even tho now I know i will end up in a vicious circle of my email being exposed to others who received the email as bcc).

Fingers crossed

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David Keith

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Trapped

Indeed, if he just kept the promise..because i received his email just a minute before I made the post

and his promise was of..umm around 4 days ago. So yeah, I will cross fingers and hope he won't do it (even tho now I know i will end up in a vicious circle of my email being exposed to others who received the email as bcc).

Fingers crossed

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some people just cant help themselves.

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R Hagel

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Trapped

Indeed, if he just kept the promise..because i received his email just a minute before I made the post and his promise was of..umm around 4 days ago. So yeah, I will cross fingers and hope he won't do it (even tho now I know i will end up in a vicious circle of my email being exposed to others who received the email as bcc).

That's very disappointing to hear.

And maddening.

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DireStraits

14 years ago

For all we know, Mr. Ling's role model could be the Little Corporal: "If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing."

(Then again, maybe we're seeing promises where none have been made.

)

As much as I don't condone his spamming (if he's continuing to engage in it), I only actually read him state that he'd be more careful in the future. But he didn't say how.

"Sorry, I'll be more careful in the future about my cat sh*tting all over your garden ... next time I'll ensure he doesn't get caught wiping his bum and leaving skid marks all over your lawn."

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Trapped

14 years ago

Originally Posted by owslaw123

some people just cant help themselves.

I guess its like that..!

Originally Posted by R Hagel

That's very disappointing to hear.

And maddening.

It surely is, in fact I wanted to PM him..but then reading the thread and his promise..and I just can't stand hypocrisy so had to ask him here.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Eew, I see - sorry, I shouldn't have said anything, then. That's perhaps different. :rolleyes:

Ah it's all right, you couldn't know

Originally Posted by DireStraits

For all we know, Mr. Ling's role model could be the Little Corporal: "If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing."

(Then again, maybe we're seeing promises where none have been made.

)

As much as I don't condone his spamming (if he's continuing to engage in it), I only actually read him state that he'd be more careful in the future. But he didn't say how.

"Sorry, I'll be more careful in the future about my cat sh*tting all over your garden ... next time I'll ensure he doesn't get caught wiping his bum and leaving skid marks all over your lawn."

Epic! Indeed, he should have specified what "careful" meant for him..

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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DireStraits

For all we know, Mr. Ling's role model could be the Little Corporal: "If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing."

(Then again, maybe we're seeing promises where none have been made.

)

As much as I don't condone his spamming (if he's continuing to engage in it), I only actually read him state that he'd be more careful in the future. But he didn't say how.

"Sorry, I'll be more careful in the future about my cat sh*tting all over your garden ... next time I'll ensure he doesn't get caught wiping his bum and leaving skid marks all over your lawn."

Hello I'm the so called spammer, the funny thing everyone is bagging me onlly cause they can and have my info readily available, no curain hidding me. I also have been honest also and asked the question straight after I got the list check who started this thread. I bought the list as I am having trouble getting subscribers in any other way, I was asking for some advise at that point not abuse as it seems here!! If persons here have received my email which I wouldn't call spam especially if you know who it is. I not hidding anywhere with this.. I have heaps of spammer sending me email, I have no idea who they are or no info about them. So I would say a spammer is someone who send emails and its actually rubbish in the email, that have no way of being tracked on purpose, but I guess that is just my interpretation!! I bet no-one has even read the email? Tell me your email and I'll remove them not a problem.
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Rickling

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Trapped

I gotta love google and performing a search for site:warriorforum.com "rick ling" after receiving a spam email and landing in this page.

So Rick ling, how did you compiled your email list? Who sold you my email? And how uneducated you are to IM to send the emails as BCC that everyone else now sees my email, just the same way I see theirs?

You are one of those for which the huge amount of "Warriors are spamming" threads are opening OP.

To OPs, if you need any proof, or me forwarding you the spam email I just received from Rick Ling, please PM me and I will be happy to forward the email!!

From a frustrated warrior,
Astrit

Hey next time you have problem with my so called spam mail let me know but not by plastering it all over the warrior forum, I shouldn't have to expalin myself but if I have paid such and such $$ for a list that I am told is good to market too I'll market to them.... If you are on that list then I suggest you track it back to who sold it to me. Also let me know your email and I'll take you off the list for now I have ok. Too easy!!!

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Trapped

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rickling

Hey next time you have problem with my so called spam mail let me know but not by plastering it all over the warrior forum, I shouldn't have to expalin myself but if I have paid such and such $$ for a list that I am told is good to market too I'll market to them.... If you are on that list then I suggest you track it back to who sold it to me. Also let me know your email and I'll take you off the list for now I have ok. Too easy!!!

Rick Ling

Sounds quiet right, indeed my intention WAS to PM you, but reading the thread and your promise..of 4 days ago, it just made me not want to go private.

However I do completely agree with you on tracking down who sold your list, would you be kind enough to drop me a PM on that regard?

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DireStraits 14 years ago

Rick, I think you're slightly missing the point, now.

You're clearly and understandably annoyed (who wouldn't be?) at having purchased in good faith a list that you believed to be of individuals who'd consented to their email being bought, sold and used by other marketers. Unfortunately, however, it seems like this wasn't the case.

What you should do, then, is stop using this list immediately, lodge a complaint with the person from whom you purchased it, see what they have to say on the matter (if anything), and perhaps seek a refund.

What you shouldn't be doing is passing blame whilst continuing to send emails, believing that by doing so you can relinquish all accountability.

It is not the responsibility of any of your subscribers to "track it back to the person who sold you the list", at all. You're the one they're going to report, if anyone. It is your responsibility, in the presence of any doubt over its legitimacy, to stop sending those emails. It's as simple as that.

If you continue, you're not only jeopardising your own email and ISP service but making yourself as culpable as the shady person who had the cheek to sell you it in the first place. And in that case, I see no reason at all why people here shouldn't "call you out" publicly.
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- Rickling 14 years ago
  
  Ok I hope this is done and dusted away as I have my lovely mail list hmm!! Still don't have any ways that are working for me to build a list from scratch without spending more dollars than I already have on nothing.
  
  So need to get a list without paying a single cent more than I already have. Tried article marketing bzz, tried buying a list NOT! Now am autoblogging but still not list so I'm lost at how someone who has a list of 0 person can get say 5000 hmm seems as impossible as trying to make a sale with Clickbank or Amazon. Now I know they say give value to your customer. give them what they want. But If I have nothing they want even though I may advertise it out there its a zero. grr no wonder people give up easily I've been trying in this caper for like what now....... 18 months now I suppose. not cent or subscriber to my name!
  
  I have the book "How make money while your sleep" and this guy what's his name Brett McFall and he says like get product hmm eg. get pros to record with and talk about there profession in whichever it is save it and use it as product. Good idea yeh but nobody is interested as asked here earlier in the year. So walls everywhere hey!! NO wonder most stick to 9-5 caper!! I don't want to but....
  Help help not abuse thanks!!!
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  DireStraits 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rickling
  
  but still not list so I'm lost at how someone who has a list of 0 person can get say 5000 hmm seems
  
  It takes time and work, Rick, and that's about it. There are no secrets. You find a way of generating targeted traffic to your opt-in form, provide a relevant, attractive incentive for people to sign up, and they will.
  
  Originally Posted by Rickling
  
  Now I know they say give value to your customer. give them what they want.
  
  But it's precisely your job, as a marketer, to find out what it is your target market wants and give it to them. It's not always that obvious that it jumps out at you. You can't always just guess. You have to do research. You might have to ask them yourself.
  
  Originally Posted by Rickling
  
  But If I have nothing they want even though I may advertise it out there its a zero.
  
  I never have what my customers want when I enter a niche, either. That's why I conduct research. Then I will either locate those things, create something for them myself, or outsource the job to someone else.
  
  If there's really nothing people in a particular niche/market want (which is very hard to believe), look elsewhere. Don't just try to sell them random stuff, regardless. Make life easy for yourself.
  
  Originally Posted by Rickling
  
  18 months now I suppose. not cent or subscriber to my name!
  
  Rick, with respect, if you've been doing this for 18 months and literally haven't made a single red cent, you're going to have to face the probable reality that you're doing it all wrong.
  
  It's possible that you've followed a basic model (or several of them) that just doesn't work, but it's rather more likely that you're approaching everything you do incorrectly and nothing you try is likely to work. Which is probably why nothing you've tried has worked to date.
  
  I suspect - though I can't be sure, of course (and feel free to call me a presumptuous twerp) - that you might be the sort of person who looks for shortcuts in everything he does, thinking that you can "outsmart the system" and strike it big tomorrow.
  
  What have you tried and failed with to date? What specific things have you tried, how did you approach each thing, specifically, and for how long did you stick at it?
  
  It's just impossible for anyone here to tell you what you're doing wrong because you're being so vague ... and frankly, all your posts thus far have come across as being mini-rants rather than genuine requests for help/advice.
  
  But I will be honest, Rick, and this isn't intended as an insult at all - purely a truthful observation: if any of what you've been doing has been at all reliant on your writing decent content, you may well be falling way short in that regard. Some of your posts here are, frankly, just almost incomprehensible. If they're truly reflective of your writing skills, you might look at outsourcing the job of content-creation to someone else.
  
  Apart from that, I don't see people being able to help you too much unless you can provide further insight into what you've been doing and how. Preferably along with links to any sites you've created to date (feel free to PM me if you don't wish to reveal them publicly).
  
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  JohnMcCabe 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Rickling
  
  Why are people selling list that are spam lists!!??
  
  Because people are buying spam lists. Not abuse, just truth.
  
  Even in the legit world of direct mail lists, you get one shot at getting permission to continue emailing. These people, issues of spamming aside, are leads, people who may or may not be interested in what you offer. The same as people who visit a squeeze page. You can't force them to opt in and you can't opt-in for them.
  
  And unless you are ready for a whole heap of abuse, learn how to send email without using CC:, which puts every address you mail on public display.
  
  Besides, your sig makes you out to be some kind of Facebook gooroo. Why not use FB to generate subscribers?
  
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Stephen Lessey

14 years ago

Lesson learned here is to never buy a list...

You better off doing solo ads on safe-swaps.com or solo ad ezines. This way it is target and you get a FAR better ROI. Assuming your in the IM or MMO niche that it

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LiftMyRank

14 years ago

Never ever buy a list, it's the worst investment you can make, the paper it's printed on is worth more, it's all about getting opt-ins on your own site.

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Rickling

14 years ago

Thanks for ya honest answers and maybe I am doing it the wrong way and have been for 18 months and as you say and yes I have ranted and raved and wrote alot of $%$ gibberish as you say "dire straits" but isn't it anyones right to say want they want on here and I will unless its abuse its fine.
So here's what I have done first I bought an online system paid $1000 for it and was crap it got me like 20 free subscribers and 0 to show for it lesson learnt there if you think I'm just talking then look me up as same name as here in yourprospex(dot)com.
Then attempted to make myself a webpage as isn't done by a professionals its not the best at rickling(dot)com with Goji Juice, and as of late I have started blogging and have made myself with some blogging plugins in WP I bought in blogging.
Have made thus far like 20+ blogs and seeing what I can do they using the squeeze page as you have seen to try and get some subscriber in that way. I have been doing only affiliate marketing with CB and Amazon products. So there you have it, if you want to have a look at what I have done thus far. An index to my blogs is at rickling(dot)com/Index2.htm.
John yes about Facebook how would one get subscriber from there as all the friends I have are not really friends and ignore the messages put up I could use the ppc but would be broke real quick that way I guess!
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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rickling

John yes about Facebook how would one get subscriber from there as all the friends I have are not really friends and ignore the messages put up I could use the ppc but would be broke real quick that way I guess!
Rick

Don't ask me.

You're the one offering to sell the secrets in your sig... :rolleyes:

On a more positive note, it sounds to me like you're obsessed with systems and secrets and other 'shiny objects'. You paid a fair large amount for a system that didn't work. You bought a few plugins and slapped together a whole bunch of blogs before you knew if anything would work.

Marketing affiliate products via blogs is a model that is working for many people. But it isn't about just buying the right plugins. It's about people, and learning to connect with them. It's obvious from the results you posted and the reactions you got here that you don't know how to do that yet.

Scale it back. Pick one blog that you have a real interest in. Learn to build an audience, how to promote that blog, how to get optins on that list, how to connect with those people. Never forget that behind every visitor, email address and buyer is a real human person.

At the risk of sounding like a shill (I'm not), or a fan (I am), sign onto Paul Myers' newsletter at www.talkbiz.com and download his "Need to Know" package (the free opt-in bonus). It will put you miles ahead of where you are now.

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14 years ago

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