Don't Blame The Gurus...

by sal64
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It's not their fault. They are just out to make a buck like the rest of us.

The reason they exist is because noobies are always looking for next get rich quick product where they can make $5000 per day sitting at the kitchen table in their underwear.

Supply v Demand, folks.

/sarcasm

#blame #gurus
  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    It's not their fault. They are just out to make a buck like the rest of us.

    The reason they exist is because noobies are always looking for next get rich quick product where they can make $5000 per day sitting at the kitchen table in their underwear.

    Supply v Demand, folks.

    /sarcasm

    Haha Sal. Cut it out. You are just being difficult now in response to the "Don't blame the newbies" thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      ok... don't blame me!

      Here's a serious proposal...

      To all the guru bashers, if someone came up to you and said - hey I want to promote your product to my list and sell it for $5k because they will pay that much...

      What would you do?

      /serious moral dilemma



      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      Haha Sal. Cut it out. You are just being difficult now in response to the "Don't blame the newbies" thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Here's a serious proposal...

        To all the guru bashers, if someone came up to you and said - hey I want to promote your product to my list and sell it for $5k because they will pay that much...

        What would you do?
        I am slightly confused by your question. You mean if a 'guru' came up and asked me that question?
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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

          I am slightly confused by your question. You mean if a 'guru' came up and asked me that question?
          No, I mean anyone.

          Say you sell a product for $97 and I offer to JV it to my list and sell it for $500.

          What would you do?

          Take it or leave it?

          The point is that it's easy to blame the gurus for selling high priced products, but if the shoe were to be on the other foot...

          Hope it makes sense now.

          I'm off to bed.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Sal - Problem is, I'm in the US where it's ALWAYS someone else's fault!
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            • Profile picture of the author sal64
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Sal - Problem is, I'm in the US where it's ALWAYS someone else's fault!
              Kay, that's a universal concept not confined to the USA... sadly.
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              • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
                Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

                because noobies are always looking for next get rich quick product where they can make $5000 per day sitting at the kitchen table in their underwear.

                Supply v Demand, folks.
                Don't Blame The Gurus...
                Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

                Haha Sal. Cut it out. You are just being difficult now in response to the "Don't blame the newbies" thread.
                and certainly don't blame the gurus underwear, which is probably Calvin Klein :p
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              • Profile picture of the author rrm
                Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

                Kay, that's a universal concept not confined to the USA... sadly.
                I guess what makes blaming others more notable these days is that many of us remember a time when people seemed to be more responsible. They owned their possessions and their mistakes. It's always been a part of the human condition, but there's a whole cottage industry made of it now. Passing the buck is our favorite national pastime. It would be an interesting Olympic sport.

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  • Profile picture of the author joshuatim11
    There is nothing like earning that kind of money just sitting in kitchen. Sometime luck favors and you can get hit once or twice but its never permanent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    "Don't Blame The Gurus..."

    Alright, I'l blame you instead!

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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    It's not their fault. They are just out to make a buck like the rest of us.

    The reason they exist is because noobies are always looking for next get rich quick product where they can make $5000 per day sitting at the kitchen table in their underwear.

    Supply v Demand, folks.

    /sarcasm

    Mostly true, imo. If there were no gurus someone would have to invent them. I think it's also because many people like to 'follow' someone and feel more secure that way. ...sarcasm?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
      Plenty of blame to go around. Just like the housing crisis.

      Homeowners willingly signed documents with mortgage payments higher than their gross income. Stupid? YES!!!!

      At the same time, brokers sold them these mortgages. Greedy? Yes!!!


      Hey, I'm not saying I'm a boyscout, but I would never/ever be able to go back to the same list of prospects/customers and pitch them new products every month with high $$$ attached to them. Especially knowing that most of these people have never made a dime online.

      That's me personally.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
    Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

    It's not their fault. They are just out to make a buck like the rest of us.

    The reason they exist is because noobies are always looking for next get rich quick product where they can make $5000 per day sitting at the kitchen table in their underwear.

    Supply v Demand, folks.

    /sarcasm

    Not all Gurus proclaim the "get rich quick in your underwear" theory. Some actually encourage you to get educated, informed and invested first.
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    • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
      Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

      Not all Gurus proclaim the "get rich quick in your underwear" theory. Some actually encourage you to get educated, informed and invested first.
      ...and you Sir, are speaking the truth!

      Really, lets give credit where credit is due.. A lot of people have problems when the guru's start selling high ticket products.. but the same people are the one who also trying their best to increase the value of the product.. and then give the guru's hell when they see that the guru's are selling out their products and theirs dont..

      I know a lot of "guru"s who dont sell the "get rich quick" hype.. It's those "wannabe" that like to do em..
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  • Profile picture of the author sal64
    A few years ago I used to speak at seminars about real estate investing.

    Being an ex real estate agent, I'd get people whining about agents and how their practices etc.

    My question to them was simple: If you engaged them to sell your home and with all their "practices" they found a buyer who wanted to pay you $100k above fair market value, would you knock it back?

    The point is that people slam gurus for selling their products for $2k, and I wonder if these same people could do the same, would they do it? Or would they keep their prices at $97?

    It's the double standards that annoys me in this argument.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      To all the guru bashers, if someone came up to you and said - hey I want to promote your product to my list and sell it for $5k because they will pay that much...

      What would you do?

      /serious moral dilemma

      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      I am slightly confused by your question. You mean if a 'guru' came up and asked me that question?

      Interestingly, that is how most of the guru products were created.

      The guru's found a $97 product that looked good or attractive, then posed the same question to the seller.

      They worked with the original seller to expand the product to include professionally done videos to accompany the original product, then they built their marketing machine around the new product.

      But, once the product was guru-ized, they slapped a $2,000 price tag on a product that started its life as a $47 or $97 product.


      Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

      The point is that people slam gurus for selling their products for $2k, and I wonder if these same people could do the same, would they do it? Or would they keep their prices at $97?

      It's the double standards that annoys me in this argument.

      In the minds of most people, the only thing that distinguishes a guru from an ordinary Internet Marketer is the extra $1900 added to the price of the product!!

      Could you or I develop a $2,000 product? I am pretty sure the answer to that question is yes.

      So the next question is, will you or I ever feel comfortable enough to ask $2,000 for that product?

      My highest priced product right now is $97....

      I ask myself all the time whether I will ever reach the point of being comfortable enough to ask $2,000 for my product...

      And I am not sure the answer to that question...

      Although, I have before asked for and got $5,000 per month for a service.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      the fault is always between the chair and the keyboard
      More like the responsibility is there. :rolleyes:

      Doesn't mean some guru taking advantage of newbies shouldn't feel some shame.
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      • Profile picture of the author JROC777
        Originally Posted by Ryan David View Post

        More like the responsibility is there. :rolleyes:

        Doesn't mean some guru taking advantage of newbies shouldn't feel some shame.
        They may even enjoy a bowl of shark fin soup while hunting newbies

        This forum is Great but gotta go take action and get some work done.

        have a great day everyone.
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      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      the fault is always between the chair and the keyboard
      The table?

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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    this is waaay too often in sales letters....

    "The Gurus are Lying to You!"

    "The Gurus don't want you to know this! They hide this and keep all the money, sucking the money from newbies" etc

    "Buy my product, I'm not a Guru but my ptroduct can make you money fast and easy!"

    Sounds too familiar, eh? bash gurus as snakes and liars, then tell people to buy your product.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebusinesstutor
    I have unsubscribed from many "guru's" lists because it seems they are just all promoting each other's latest product without really using it themselves or fully testing it to make sure it is appropriate.

    I know this because I used to do the same. I made this apology and pledge to my list members a few months ago.
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    I want to apologize to all my subscribers. This isn’t one of those “false” apologies
    you usually get from Internet marketers who say they are sorry they didn’t get you info about some product they want you to buy so they can make money off you.

    This is a real apology from me to you.

    Like many other Internet marketers I jumped on the “launch” bandwagon, promoting new product launches from other Internet marketers to my list. Promoting new products to our lists is an important source of revenue for most of us and you have probably noticed that you are getting the same ad copy from many of the different “guru” lists you have signed up for as they all jump on the launch bandwagon.

    The problem is, like most other Internet marketers, I did not review every product before it went out. While many of the products were probably excellent, there were likely many that should not have made the cut.

    I rationalized it by telling myself these promotions were safe as they all had money back guarantees for refunds and since every other Internet marketer was doing it, why shouldn’t I?

    But I DON’T want to be like every other Internet marketer. I want Garland Coulson and “EBusiness Tutor” to mean something more. I want them to be names you can trust and rely upon to tell you the truth.

    So that is why I am apologizing to you and giving you my pledge.

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    This gives you the opportunity to ask for a full refund if the product isn’t the right fit for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi,

    Sal started this thread.

    We now have a good reason to always blame him.

    He is a membership Gooroo..
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    Guru bashing is just another USP...

    "Guru's are lying to you, but pay me to tell you the truth" :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author JaySaldivar
    At the end of the day you believe what you want to believe. It's not one ones fault, only one who thinks there are magic pills. It takes real work to make a living online.
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