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Is It Possible.........

by Jayne Owens
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This is my first post, but I have been reading here for ages.

I have seen a huge number of people posting challenges like I will make $10K in 1 week, 1 month but it seems that most if not all have the same formula.

Part of the process is to get everybody to subscribe to the thread, and keep reading what steps have been taken.

Once people are following it seems that the first place to sell is here to the forum?

It seems like a great way to build a list, get a following, and then make a lot of money.

It also seems that if you're charismatic enough then you don't have to reach your target, because it is all about trying.

So if it isn't about the money but trying to make money, why don't we see any challenges where people state what their goal is. Say, I will make $10K in the next two weeks.

But not have any updates so no list building, no hype, just a statement of fact, and then in 2 weeks time come back and say how it was done.


Or is that not the way to do it?
  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Jayne,

    Welcome to the Warrior Forum and thanks for
    making such an insightful first post!

    I must admit I've come to ignore the "Watch
    me do.. blah blah" type posts. To me such posts
    are nothing but self promotion and it would be
    much better for all if they were posted on blogs
    rather than in the main forum.

    You're right, it's much more credible to post a
    report of real results. But the majority of forum
    members seem to find such things OK, else they
    would get reported and be removed.

    My real concern is that it's very short sighted to
    focus all your promotional efforts in a closed
    community such as a forum. The market beyond
    the forum is much bigger and holds much more
    potential and you won't be relying on a single
    source of income.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Jayne,

      Welcome to the Warrior Forum and thanks for
      making such an insightful first post!

      I must admit I've come to ignore the "Watch
      me do.. blah blah" type posts. To me such posts
      are nothing but self promotion and it would be
      much better for all if they were posted on blogs
      rather than in the main forum...
      I was always led to believe that self promotion was not allowed AT ALL in the main forum. If this was never the case, please let me know.

      If this IS/WAS the case, then someone tell me why it is all over the place now and seemingly completely legal?

      This is not aimed directly at John...I would love an answer from anyone as I cannot seem to get a clear cut, definite answer from anyone I ask.

      Thanks...
      Allen Graves

      p.s. Very nice first post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayne Owens
    Thank you John for your kind comments. It's nice to see others think that these are self promotional thread.

    I will be cheering for you later.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    Well are we interested in the product or the process? It seems to me that we're interested in the process. (Mr Taylor is a 'tester' and testers are interested in the product ;-) )

    I don't pay attention to all the threads of this nature but it does seem to me that many people learn new techniques from following along with these threads. What also happens is that experienced people add in useful comments along the way - comments that would never have been posted had the original thread not been started.

    And if the project is successful and the topic is then turned into an ebook, so what? This is a marketing forum. That's what marketers do.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      Well are we interested in the product or the process? It seems to me that we're interested in the process. (Mr Taylor is a 'tester' and testers are interested in the product ;-) )
      Pearson,

      I think you've got that arse about face.

      Testing is very much about the process.

      I guess I'd rather see people go off into the real
      market place, test their process and then come
      back and report their results rather than stay in
      the lab and test on a such a small statistical
      sample.

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

        stay in
        the lab and test on a such a small statistical
        sample.
        Hey!!..

        My "lab" reaches MUCH further than this forum.. well, in fact.. it hasn't yet used this forum for that kinda thing

        You rock, John + Jayne

        Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author Jayne Owens
    Pearson that is true, but would the people who claim that they are going to make $10K in a month, do it if it wasn't for the people following them here?

    Here is another problem I see which this system. Many of them have no idea how to make the money. It isn't a process or a product, because the first thing they do is ask for suggestions on how they can reach that target.

    It's a great way to get a five figure income, build enough hype here and then expect the warriors to buy the hype which could be read in the thread if they really wanted to share.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    You're interested in 'how they did'. Fair enough. Just ignore this type of thread.

    The educational point of these threads is 'what they are doing'. If they fail in their aim, it doesn't lessen the educational value of the thread.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post


      The educational point of these threads is 'what they are doing'. If they fail in their aim, it doesn't lessen the educational value of the thread.
      Pearson,

      The first couple of threads were quite educational.

      However, it's becoming an epidemic as people see
      the profit and promotional potential of using the
      tactic. Now it's about exploiting the forum rather
      than adding value through an educational thread.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Aloha and welcome to the forum Jayne

    It is a marketing tactic, but isn't that what we are here to share and learn about? I agree that it often is a ploy to get more followers, but it also puts the threads originator on the spot in front of the entire Warrior community.

    I'm not sure I could handle the pressure myself, but if I ever take the plunge I'll let you know with a post like "Watch me make 1 million dollars this week while I solve the worlds financial crisis"!


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  • Profile picture of the author Jayne Owens
    Sorry Pearson, I didn't make my thoughts clear.

    It just seems that anyone can make claims to make huge amounts in a short time, because all they do is start a thread here, and then keep asking what should I do, how do I do this.

    It seems that without the forum, they wouldn't have even made a start, because they are making the claims depending on the forum to back them up and help them make the money.

    Sorry, I'm not making my thoughts clear.

    Back to reading I think
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I agree with what you say, John, but hasn't that always been the case here? People will always try to make money off the huge audience here. I've often said that I miss the days when Paul ruled this place with a rod of iron and I was scared stiff every time I posted. (I'm much more concerned about all these people who have made 1000 posts but who I have never heard of - there's something dodgy happening there.)

    Jayne, I'm not sure that these people are making vast sums of money. In any event, if they are making full disclosure of what they are doing, there's nothing to stop anybody else making money by copying them.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      I've often said that I miss the days when Paul ruled this place with a rod of iron and I was scared stiff every time I posted.
      Pearson,

      I'm not so sure going back to a fully moderated
      discussion would be a good thing!

      The folks who haven't experienced that style
      of moderation would certainly get a suprise to
      discover just how much freedom there is today
      by comparison.

      I remember the "thinking time" that was involved
      prior to hitting the submit button and then the
      period of anticipation....



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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      I agree with what you say, John, but hasn't that always been the case here? People will always try to make money off the huge audience here. I've often said that I miss the days when Paul ruled this place with a rod of iron and I was scared stiff every time I posted. (I'm much more concerned about all these people who have made 1000 posts but who I have never heard of - there's something dodgy happening there.)

      Jayne, I'm not sure that these people are making vast sums of money. In any event, if they are making full disclosure of what they are doing, there's nothing to stop anybody else making money by copying them.
      Hey Pearson...

      I've wondered the same thing...I've seen people with 2000 posts and I haven't heard of them before.

      I have a theory that some of them used nicknames, then changed to their real name, as was the rage a while back. If this is correct, they lost a lot of "trust" in the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Lady
    jayne, you obviously have a great deal to contribute to this forum, so don't go back to just reading.

    second, i agree that duplicating a process can be one method of promotion, but as I did w/ a previous challenge - i believe we should post our results on the blog. it is a wonderful location to work w/ and it doesn't clutter up the forum.

    also, it is important that we share idea's - just in an constructive manner. many of the posts about this 'watch me xxx' is just forum spam, at least to some of us, and everyone should be considered in the forum as much as possible. ie - move the thread out of the forum, or join a social group for this reason...

    just my fyi... i'm sure i sound off sorry, still not finished the first coffee of the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Crystal_
    Hi Jayne,

    Welcome to the Warrior Forum :-)

    So if it isn't about the money but trying to make money, why don't we see any challenges where people state what their goal is. Say, I will make $10K in the next two weeks. But not have any updates so no list building, no hype, just a statement of fact, and then in 2 weeks time come back and say how it was done.
    We do see some of those posts. Here's one of the most recent ones:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ay-2007-a.html

    It seems that without the forum, they wouldn't have even made a start.
    This forum is behind many, many success stories.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/to...OPIC_ID=102865

    I see the threads you're talking about as a recent fad.

    Many people here generate excellent income streams outside of this forum and the how to make money online market.

    Or is that not the way to do it?
    It sounds great to me.

    The way I see it is, we're all here because we have a common interest in Internet Marketing. Beyond that, our actions and motivations are as diverse as we are.

    Keep this in mind as you continue to determine "the way to do it" for yourself.

    Crystal
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    I think that a lot of the people that follow these types of threads are people who are looking for inspiration and a little confidence to try it themselves.

    If they think they are watching someone make money right in front of them then it gives a boost in their self confidence and in turn, gives them a little hope that they too can do this.

    Now along the way some of those people become believers and are willing to buy whatever the preacher is selling.

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by Matthew Maiden View Post

      I think that a lot of the people that follow these types of threads are people who are looking for inspiration and a little confidence to try it themselves.

      If they think they are watching someone make money right in front of them then it gives a boost in their self confidence and in turn, gives them a little hope that they too can do this.

      Now along the way some of those people become believers and are willing to buy whatever the preacher is selling.

      Matt

      And then there are these types...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-24-hours.html

      Who have little imagination, and will do whatever it takes to get attention...
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  • Profile picture of the author McKay
    Jayne,

    Welcome to THE forum!


    If I were you I would:

    1.) Create a process that makes some money (any amount of money)

    2.) Write down the process

    3.) Test the process by trying to do it again (following your written steps in #2)

    4.) THEN come back here and provide the results (for free in this part of the forum... or as a WSO to earn some money off your successful process)


    ...or you could quietly continue to make money from your process in the background (while offering advice and support to other marketers on this forum)...

    There's no right or wrong answer - only what's right for you and your long-term financial goals.

    The main thing is - make sure you take care of yourself first.

    That's my $.02.

    McKay
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  • Profile picture of the author Crystal_
    Hi Jayne,

    I just noticed you posted a 10k in 2 weeks challenge of your own :-)

    You posted some insightful observations about these types of threads above.

    So now you're the perfect person to answer your own questions:

    Would the people who claim that they are going to make $10K in a month, do it if it wasn't for the people following them here?

    What motivated you to create a similar thread?


    Best of luck on your journey.

    Crystal
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Eric
    It's funny that you brought that up. When I first saw that thread I almost posted a sarcastic thread about that..."Watch me write about the guy who is going to copy the guy..."

    Ha ha, obviously I decided not to jump in that pool.

    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Welcome to the forum, Jayne!

      I love to see the success stories posted here - big and small. I think that seeing how someone else has accomplished something is inspiring and motivational. Seeing how someone has taken a certain route to get to the point he or she is at now is also educational - many roads lead to Rome, so to speak.

      These are people who have already done something in the "real world" and the thread does nothing to alter the process. It is done. They have made $XXXX or have accomplished whatever goal they have stated. Their threads inspire me.

      But the threads that say, "Watch me do..." and "See how I will..." are a bit different (for me).

      To me, it seems like they are creating a false test result, simply by posting it in the forum.

      An example would be a thread saying how many Twitter followers someone is getting an a 24 hour period (or whatever). Well, by posting the progress, you will skew the results because some forum members will follow the person because of the thread.

      Another example is to say you will earn a certain amount in a certain time period. By posting this type of thread and having people follow it and subscribe to it, it creates a result that is simply cannot be duplicated in the "real world." Someone would have to follow the same process to get the same results - and post a thread on the WF with the same basic premise.

      The most extreme example (and again, this is just me) is to say you will make a certain amount by a certain date - and watch out for my upcoming WSO to achieve this. To me, this is a totally false result - creating anticipation for an upcoming WSO so you can achieve the end result, because other people would never be able to duplicate those results.

      This is, of course, JMHO. YMMV.
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      Originally Posted by regent14 View Post

      I agree with all that you guys are saying.
      A 1 line answer and a signature advertising MM is also a "NO-NO!"

      You'll get banned before you could read this post.

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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Well, Jayne,

    It seems that most people are enticed by the hype of these motivational posts. I mean, there are a lot of people on this forum who have never made $10,000, let alone in a few days.

    You say you've been on the forum for a while, you just haven't posted much. Well, then you know that this forum is all about learning and growing. The biggest education someone can get is to watch step-by-step someone else make a huge achievement, then follow their exact process to a T.

    There have been Warriors who have put out those types of threads and have accomplished their goal quite successfully with a golden message at the end. "If I can do it, you can too." From there, the person created an inexpensive guide to show others how to do the exact same thing. (One example is Tom's site flipping post)

    We are all here to make money. There's no doubt about that. And as we all know, the most clever people are able to rise above the top much faster than those who are not.

    While I don't follow every single post like this, I am able to spot the one's which are actually legit and make it a point to learn from them. So, I wouldn't knock people's attempt to learn and grow. You might learn something yourself by reading one of these posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author lavaleekathy
    I think its just a marketing tactic, but I suppose that's what we're all here to learn about! I agree that it is becoming more often a tactic to get more followers on a specific thread or blog, but it also spotlights whoever started the thread in the first place to the entire site! Very clever!
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